New stadia/upgrades to be built if we win 2023 World Cup


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scott20won - 28 Jun 2020 3:07 PM
NicCarBel - 28 Jun 2020 10:53 AM

I wrote May so it wouldn’t have to be moved in WC years. You could play whenever really.

I don’t think FFA Cup needs to follow the calendar year. Like I wrote qualifying could start after May final for following year for the comings years r32

It should just be within the season though, then what's the point of aligning seasons together?
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NicCarBel - 28 Jun 2020 10:53 AM
scott20won - 28 Jun 2020 3:56 AM
With a move like that, shouldn't the Cup final be later in the year? Otherwise the first half of the season is congested with FFA Cup games at all levels.


I wrote May so it wouldn’t have to be moved in WC years. You could play whenever really.

I don’t think FFA Cup needs to follow the calendar year. Like I wrote qualifying could start after May final for following year for the comings years r32
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City Sam - 28 Jun 2020 9:59 AM
scott20won - 27 Jun 2020 6:48 PM

What is $3m going to change? Some new toilets

Would only cover the 3.5k temporary extra seats.

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scott20won - 28 Jun 2020 3:56 AM
melbourne_terrace - 28 Jun 2020 3:03 AM

The weeknight thing is a Foxtel idea. There are many ways it could go. With an eventual move to eg Mar-Nov season I would like to see FFA Cup final in May. Do the local r64 thing where MV play a Vic team away. Non AL clubs can start playing games after May final or even earlier rounds before. By the time the AL finals come (in current format) , do something like the 6 teams that don’t play  in the finals play their r64 games away to local rival in weeks 1 & 2 of finals series, during the day on Saturday and Sundays. Then continue the Cup the following year. Maybe r32 the 2 weeks before season starts (weekends daytime) and go to night once AL season starts.

With a move like that, shouldn't the Cup final be later in the year? Otherwise the first half of the season is congested with FFA Cup games at all levels.


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scott20won - 27 Jun 2020 6:48 PM
There are different reports out of Adelaide today


“The State Government will spend $3.3 million upgrading Hindmarsh Stadium in a bid to host 2023 Women’s World Cup soccer matches.”
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/state-government-to-spend-33-million-upgrading-hindmarsh-stadium-for-2023-womens-world-cup-soccer/news-story/8b1e8e732e3ec9ac32ac04a0aa860ab0



”Socceroos legend John Kosmina has urged South Australian politicians to start taking the world game seriously after it was revealed Hindmarsh Stadium could struggle to attract 2023 Women’s World Cup games. “

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/football/socceroos-legend-john-kosmina-has-urged-sa-politicians-to-stop-paying-lip-service-to-world-game/news-story/87478fe6a67a21f512a3d069d9494ad4

“The State Government has its work cut out to convince FIFA that Hindmarsh Stadium is a worthy venue for matches after the Australia/New Zealand bid won the FIFA 2023 women’s World Cup hosting rights. “

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/football/hindmarsh-stadium-a-danger-to-winning-womens-world-cup-matches-for-sa/news-story/2957e21a5cb87b37895a2cfd8e6ce470





What is $3m going to change? Some new toilets
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melbourne_terrace - 28 Jun 2020 3:03 AM
scott20won - 28 Jun 2020 1:21 AM

I'd say clubs could always aspire to have grounds that meet the criteria for an FFA Cup broadcast vs an A-League team. That's all we have to go on now and a lot of them need to upgrade things like lights anyway to meet that if we keep playing that midweek. Probably the closest we'd get to a NSD criteria before FFA inevitably announce it at the last minute. 

The weeknight thing is a Foxtel idea. There are many ways it could go. With an eventual move to eg Mar-Nov season I would like to see FFA Cup final in May. Do the local r64 thing where MV play a Vic team away. Non AL clubs can start playing games after May final or even earlier rounds before. By the time the AL finals come (in current format) , do something like the 6 teams that don’t play  in the finals play their r64 games away to local rival in weeks 1 & 2 of finals series, during the day on Saturday and Sundays. Then continue the Cup the following year. Maybe r32 the 2 weeks before season starts (weekends daytime) and go to night once AL season starts.

But that won’t happen.

I haven’t read FFA bid. Here is a reminder of Asian Cup funding.

“Millions of dollars worth of improvements to football pitches, stadiums and facilities around Australia will be among the most visible benefits of Australia hosting the AFC Asian Cup for the first time.

The infrastructure upgrades, outlined in advance of the January's competition, Australia's biggest ever football event, include:

• Covered team benches worth around $400,000, to be used for the first time at the January 9-31 tournament and then bequeathed to the 10 A-League clubs;
• Lighting upgrades worth $400,000 at Asian Cup training facilities including Perry Park in Queensland and Canberra's Deakin Stadium and McKellar Park;
• Turf improvements worth $275,000 at those three venues, as well as at SS Anderson Oval in Melbourne and Wanderers Oval in Newcastle; and
• A complete pitch upgrade at Newcastle Stadium worth $1.25 million including a $150,000 contribution from the Asian Cup Local Organising Committee.

Australia's hosting of Asia's premier football tournament has also helped unlock government funding for development of:
• Ballarat's Eureka Stadium, worth $15 million; and
• Speers Point Park, the home of Northern NSW football, worth $11.3 million.”

https://www.ausleisure.com.au/news/australia-to-benefit-from-afc-asian-cup-legacy-plan/

I have noticed more articles lately though, but haven’t posted, with council funding. There is often focus on state and federal but councils need to and hopefully will step up.

“Highlight’s of this year’s capital works program include-


  • Construction of a new district level soccer and cricket multipurpose community facility at Tulliallan Estate, Cranbourne North ($9.4m)
  • Construction of a new district level AFL, cricket and netball facility at Botanic Ridge Eastern Playing Fields, Botanic Ridge ($7.8m)


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scott20won - 28 Jun 2020 1:21 AM
patjennings - 28 Jun 2020 12:57 AM

This is where FFA has let us down. 

They have released their “pillar for success” or whatever they called it. But have never released a minimum standard for a a potential NSD. We just don’t know what they will demand.

Therefor we can’t ask for things to be built that will have a future function. Eg. 4x3500 seater mini stadiums that will be accepted in a NSD or even future pro rel.

They have never wanted to release a standard because the “wrong” clubs will be able to meet them

I'd say clubs could always aspire to have grounds that meet the criteria for an FFA Cup broadcast vs an A-League team. That's all we have to go on now and a lot of them need to upgrade things like lights anyway to meet that if we keep playing that midweek. Probably the closest we'd get to a NSD criteria before FFA inevitably announce it at the last minute. 

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patjennings - 28 Jun 2020 12:57 AM
bettega - 27 Jun 2020 11:24 PM

Forgetting the big stadiums I wouldn't be surprised if a few base camps become at the least the basis of some boutique stadiums. I can see base camps in Hobart and Launceston, Dandenong etc, getting the beginning of boutique stadiums. Maybe a 5000 seat stand on one side and a 2000 seat stand at one end.   

TBH - I suspect York Park will be dropped and a Hobart small stadium  (about 15,000) with temporary stands to bring it up to 20,000 - 25,000 for the WWC will be built.     

This is where FFA has let us down. 

They have released their “pillar for success” or whatever they called it. But have never released a minimum standard for a a potential NSD. We just don’t know what they will demand.

Therefor we can’t ask for things to be built that will have a future function. Eg. 4x3500 seater mini stadiums that will be accepted in a NSD or even future pro rel.

They have never wanted to release a standard because the “wrong” clubs will be able to meet them
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bettega - 27 Jun 2020 11:24 PM
Don't worry, once FIFA gets involved and starts leaning on government to do more, don't be surprised if a few new stadiums get built around the country.
The bid is won, what's in the bid book is now irrelevant.

Forgetting the big stadiums I wouldn't be surprised if a few base camps become at the least the basis of some boutique stadiums. I can see base camps in Hobart and Launceston, Dandenong etc, getting the beginning of boutique stadiums. Maybe a 5000 seat stand on one side and a 2000 seat stand at one end.   

TBH - I suspect York Park will be dropped and a Hobart small stadium  (about 15,000) with temporary stands to bring it up to 20,000 - 25,000 for the WWC will be built.     
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bettega - 27 Jun 2020 11:24 PM
Don't worry, once FIFA gets involved and starts leaning on government to do more, don't be surprised if a few new stadiums get built around the country.
The bid is won, what's in the bid book is now irrelevant.

Not sure.

the AL is a mess. We can wait for JJ 11 list and see which direction FFA want to take. Atm we don’t know. If SA was offered another franchise and no relegation you could get it done quicker perhaps. Also consult with NRL. 

Again NRL in Brisbane. Are they going to expand? Could a 2nd team play out of a new smaller stadium? I don’t think Qld gov will build Roar a stadium anytime soon.

Vic is covered. 
NRL is pushing for Sydney grounds and FFA for home of football.
WA is building a smaller stadium and hopefully their FA wants a pro team.

ACT reliant on other sports.
Tas won’t happen.

3 yrs will go quick. It goes without saying that winning the thing would gain even bigger growth and potential. Even if arguments come “they don’t need it, they won with what they already have.”

Stadiums will be the toughest. The sports complexes that are being built in WA, SA, Vic, NSW will be the way forward. Potential to build similar or smaller on other side of town depending on the city.

Again, Qld needs something ASAP 
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Don't worry, once FIFA gets involved and starts leaning on government to do more, don't be surprised if a few new stadiums get built around the country.
The bid is won, what's in the bid book is now irrelevant.

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karta - 27 Jun 2020 8:21 PM
scott20won - 27 Jun 2020 6:48 PM

What happened to the plans on building a football stadium northwest of the CBD? Surely now is the time for the SA Gov to build it.

Dont know. 




http://www.adelaide-parklands.asn.au/stadium

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scott20won - 27 Jun 2020 6:48 PM
There are different reports out of Adelaide today


“The State Government will spend $3.3 million upgrading Hindmarsh Stadium in a bid to host 2023 Women’s World Cup soccer matches.”
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/state-government-to-spend-33-million-upgrading-hindmarsh-stadium-for-2023-womens-world-cup-soccer/news-story/8b1e8e732e3ec9ac32ac04a0aa860ab0



”Socceroos legend John Kosmina has urged South Australian politicians to start taking the world game seriously after it was revealed Hindmarsh Stadium could struggle to attract 2023 Women’s World Cup games. “

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/football/socceroos-legend-john-kosmina-has-urged-sa-politicians-to-stop-paying-lip-service-to-world-game/news-story/87478fe6a67a21f512a3d069d9494ad4

“The State Government has its work cut out to convince FIFA that Hindmarsh Stadium is a worthy venue for matches after the Australia/New Zealand bid won the FIFA 2023 women’s World Cup hosting rights. “

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/football/hindmarsh-stadium-a-danger-to-winning-womens-world-cup-matches-for-sa/news-story/2957e21a5cb87b37895a2cfd8e6ce470





What happened to the plans on building a football stadium northwest of the CBD? Surely now is the time for the SA Gov to build it.
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There are different reports out of Adelaide today


“The State Government will spend $3.3 million upgrading Hindmarsh Stadium in a bid to host 2023 Women’s World Cup soccer matches.”
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/state-government-to-spend-33-million-upgrading-hindmarsh-stadium-for-2023-womens-world-cup-soccer/news-story/8b1e8e732e3ec9ac32ac04a0aa860ab0



”Socceroos legend John Kosmina has urged South Australian politicians to start taking the world game seriously after it was revealed Hindmarsh Stadium could struggle to attract 2023 Women’s World Cup games. “

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/football/socceroos-legend-john-kosmina-has-urged-sa-politicians-to-stop-paying-lip-service-to-world-game/news-story/87478fe6a67a21f512a3d069d9494ad4

“The State Government has its work cut out to convince FIFA that Hindmarsh Stadium is a worthy venue for matches after the Australia/New Zealand bid won the FIFA 2023 women’s World Cup hosting rights. “

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/football/hindmarsh-stadium-a-danger-to-winning-womens-world-cup-matches-for-sa/news-story/2957e21a5cb87b37895a2cfd8e6ce470





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Bunny - 27 Jun 2020 10:11 AM
Its a bit like UFOs tbh, there is either believers or none.

An alien told me it didn't believe there would be any Qld stadium upgrades, had to be seen to be believed it said.
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Heart_fan - 27 Jun 2020 12:51 PM
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Sounds great but back in reality, we will continue to have to fight for a long time to change perceptions. 

Let’s just hope that this is the start of finding ways to boost the game, hopefully by galvanising those in our own game first.

If it ever came to showdown between FIFA and the Aussie Rules, it will be the equivalent of fight between a African elephant and a cockroach.

ONLY EVER gonna be ONE winner there :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:


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Football can BREAK it up, if it "grew a pair" and brought FIFA and the AFC into this and used their enormous influence throughout Asia/Europe/Americas/Africa and let it be known that the "economies" of the southern AFL states could be targeted. if attitudes don't change.

I'd bet ya, that these "entrenched" attitudes, would change in a HELLAVA hurry then!!!............................resulting in TOTALLY different outcomes for Football!

Sounds great but back in reality, we will continue to have to fight for a long time to change perceptions. 

Let’s just hope that this is the start of finding ways to boost the game, hopefully by galvanising those in our own game first.

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Bunny - 27 Jun 2020 10:11 AM
Its a bit like UFOs tbh, there is either believers or none.

Aren't Geelong playing somewhere today?????


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In the case of Marvel stadium, the AFL own it so that was their call. The state government can threaten to take away funding for the upgrade, but the AFL can then just take the Grand Final elsewhere and for what.. one match (Semi-Final) when there was zero chance the final was going to be played anywhere but Sydney. 

Whether we like it or not, it’s always hard to break through against a strongly entrenched competitor like the AFL, who just about own the media, corporate and governmental decision making processes in numerous states across this country. 

Football can BREAK it up, if it "grew a pair" and brought FIFA and the AFC into this and used their enormous influence throughout Asia/Europe/Americas/Africa and let it be known that the "economies" of the southern AFL states could be targeted. if attitudes don't change.

I'd bet ya, that these "entrenched" attitudes, would change in a HELLAVA hurry then!!!............................resulting in TOTALLY different outcomes for Football!


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Its a bit like UFOs tbh, there is either believers or none.
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scott20won - 26 Jun 2020 10:41 PM

The chance of Matildas using the home of Matildas probably depends on them winning their group at WWC and playing 1 1/4 final match in Melbourne.

Theyll probably get more use out of the home of football facility in Sydney.

Who cares. The more football investment we get the better. I have a theory that some of this stuff put forward will benefit more men’s, youth and grassroots, but in order to get it built it’s going to have the matildas or women’s World Cup name thrown in front of it

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scott20won - 26 Jun 2020 10:41 PM
“Football Federation Australia is backing a Football Victoria push to snare $90 million in state government funding to establish a "Home of the Matildas" in Melbourne as the national team builds up to hosting the Women's World Cup in 2023.

The federal government has already committed $15 million in a show of support for Football Victoria's plans, a project which, says FFA chairman Chris Nikou, is separate and complementary to the proposed "Home of Football" which FFA is looking at developing in Sydney.

"We are supporting a home of the Matildas in Melbourne. We have been working with Football Victoria. They have got carriage of the discussions with the government because it's their facility," Nikou said as he celebrated FFA's success in winning the 2023 World Cup bid.

"It would be complementary to the Home of Football we want to establish in Sydney and would help build the infrastructure for the team and the game."


https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/ffa-backs-victorian-push-for-90m-to-establish-melbourne-as-matildas-home-20200626-p556k0.html

more home of football/Matildas comments in article 

The chance of Matildas using the home of Matildas probably depends on them winning their group at WWC and playing 1 1/4 final match in Melbourne.

Theyll probably get more use out of the home of football facility in Sydney.
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City Sam - 26 Jun 2020 12:25 PM

The WU stadium is privately funded and owned. The local government was only supplying the land.

That's a very big if. Their whole funding is going to unravel 
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jaymz - 26 Jun 2020 10:52 PM
Federal sports minister Richard Colbeck says the governments sport funding will focus on football over the next 3 years. This has the potential to really leave a lasting impact on our sport at all levels 

Can only hope this is the kick in the ass that governments need to finally focus on our sport instead of their usual love affair with whatever the AFL or NRL demand.

More High level training facilities, through to investment in grassroots fields and infrastructure would be a huge boost.

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Federal sports minister Richard Colbeck says the governments sport funding will focus on football over the next 3 years. This has the potential to really leave a lasting impact on our sport at all levels 

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“Football Federation Australia is backing a Football Victoria push to snare $90 million in state government funding to establish a "Home of the Matildas" in Melbourne as the national team builds up to hosting the Women's World Cup in 2023.

The federal government has already committed $15 million in a show of support for Football Victoria's plans, a project which, says FFA chairman Chris Nikou, is separate and complementary to the proposed "Home of Football" which FFA is looking at developing in Sydney.

"We are supporting a home of the Matildas in Melbourne. We have been working with Football Victoria. They have got carriage of the discussions with the government because it's their facility," Nikou said as he celebrated FFA's success in winning the 2023 World Cup bid.

"It would be complementary to the Home of Football we want to establish in Sydney and would help build the infrastructure for the team and the game."


https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/ffa-backs-victorian-push-for-90m-to-establish-melbourne-as-matildas-home-20200626-p556k0.html

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Brian Kidd - 26 Jun 2020 3:23 PM
Lastbroadcast - 26 Jun 2020 11:51 AM

Too right, the NRL REALLY are a cowardly mob.

They know they would be slaughtered going head to head with the women, so they'll be desperate to avoid that "public humiliation" at any cost!

The NRL aren't rabidly against football.  The AFL is but the NRL are fine.


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Edit it was semi and Matildas group match iirc

So 2 games in Syd and 1 in Brisbane probs
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What is the timeline? Because Qld gov promised $11 mil if they could host a semi. I think after that NZ joined the bid. Which means the other semi is gone.



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Veritas - 26 Jun 2020 2:45 PM
Feed_The_Brox - 26 Jun 2020 12:23 PM

Why Melbourne wasn't in the running for Women's World Cup final

So much for "Australia's sporting capital"

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