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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnge is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? But somehow scoring a questionable penalty against France yet losing the game comfortably is some sort of source of pride for you? I guess we want different things out of the team that is supposed to represent all of us. How was that a questionable penalty? It was a blatant handball. Unnecessary? Probably. Lucky? sure. And how did we "lose comfortably" with the winning goal being within a bees dick of the goal-line tech ruling it no-goal? I don't care what anybody says, the performance vs France was top notch. We pressed intelligently and held our shape and thus they were out of ideas for entire match. Would of been a famous point if not for Pogba's lucky winner. Another brave defeat. Aren't you sick of that yet. Those days, for that sort of sentiment, should be long gone. Tell me, was losing to Japan another of those brave defeats that we should be proud of? Ange had one of the lowest success rates of a Socceroos coach, it literally was the epitome of the 'Brave Defeat' He got them to the world cup. Did not get the backing of the ffa, so he preferred to walk. He has achieved more than any other Aus coach. Can't deny it, haters will always exist. You got nothing. I don't think you can just brush off any criticism of Ange as "haters". After the 2015 Asian Cup I saw the man as a fucking GOD. I bought right in to his message about building a dynasty, changing football in Australia etc. I felt, as soon as it became apparent that he wasn't infallible, showing some tactical inflexibility etc, his attitude changed. He wanted to see more football related discussion from fans and the media, yet reacted poorly when that occurred because he didn't agree with what they were saying. Maybe he was right, that the criticism came from people that didn't understand what he was trying to do. So what? That is part of being a football manager. To quote Roy Keane, "that's his job". I did not want him to quit. I wanted him to see out this "dynasty" he was talking about at the World Cup in 2018. I also don't buy the "the FFA didn't back him" argument. The FFA at the time were buffoons no doubt, but they were buffoons when Ange was appointed in 2013 as well and if there is one thing that the FFA generally do well it's spending the required money to make sure the Socceroos squad and staff have every available opportunity for success leading up to and at the wold cup (training facilities, catered flights etc). I genuinely felt stabbed in the heart when he quit. I've since accepted that it was his, and nobody else, decision to make. That doesn't mean I have to like what he did and I certainly don't have to respect him for it. I believe he knew that a 0W 0D 3L cup was a distinct possibility and that would reflect badly on him. I still acknowledge he is Australia's best manager by far and genuinely wish him to succeed at Celtic. Exactly how I feel. Well said. I’ve never taken the time to write a detailed analysis of my thoughts on the end of Postecoglue’s time with the National team, but if I did, it would read pretty similar to that. I don’t buy the “couldn’t handle the press” for a second.
He knew he was about to lose 3 games straight and did what was best for his career at that point.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnge is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? But somehow scoring a questionable penalty against France yet losing the game comfortably is some sort of source of pride for you? I guess we want different things out of the team that is supposed to represent all of us. How was that a questionable penalty? It was a blatant handball. Unnecessary? Probably. Lucky? sure. And how did we "lose comfortably" with the winning goal being within a bees dick of the goal-line tech ruling it no-goal? I don't care what anybody says, the performance vs France was top notch. We pressed intelligently and held our shape and thus they were out of ideas for entire match. Would of been a famous point if not for Pogba's lucky winner. Another brave defeat. Aren't you sick of that yet. Those days, for that sort of sentiment, should be long gone. Tell me, was losing to Japan another of those brave defeats that we should be proud of? Ange had one of the lowest success rates of a Socceroos coach, it literally was the epitome of the 'Brave Defeat' He got them to the world cup. Did not get the backing of the ffa, so he preferred to walk. He has achieved more than any other Aus coach. Can't deny it, haters will always exist. You got nothing. 4.5 spots for a federation whose best team is around #40 is a travesty in itself. For Australia to not manage to get in the top 4 would be a total catastrophic failure. Struggling to get in thr top 4 is bad enough. Even Arnold will get Aus to Qatar. Its not the achievement its made out to be by some Yeah, a World cup with 2 confederacies doesn't help with the improvement in the other parts of the world. besides if the top only play the top the points needed to improve becomes almost impossible to accumulate. besides you don't think this is an achievement wait for next qualifiers when the number jumps to 48. that's will be a walk Not the point I was making. Stick to Ange
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnge is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? But somehow scoring a questionable penalty against France yet losing the game comfortably is some sort of source of pride for you? I guess we want different things out of the team that is supposed to represent all of us. How was that a questionable penalty? It was a blatant handball. Unnecessary? Probably. Lucky? sure. And how did we "lose comfortably" with the winning goal being within a bees dick of the goal-line tech ruling it no-goal? I don't care what anybody says, the performance vs France was top notch. We pressed intelligently and held our shape and thus they were out of ideas for entire match. Would of been a famous point if not for Pogba's lucky winner. Another brave defeat. Aren't you sick of that yet. Those days, for that sort of sentiment, should be long gone. Tell me, was losing to Japan another of those brave defeats that we should be proud of? Ange had one of the lowest success rates of a Socceroos coach, it literally was the epitome of the 'Brave Defeat' He got them to the world cup. Did not get the backing of the ffa, so he preferred to walk. He has achieved more than any other Aus coach. Can't deny it, haters will always exist. You got nothing. 4.5 spots for a federation whose best team is around #40 is a travesty in itself. For Australia to not manage to get in the top 4 would be a total catastrophic failure. Struggling to get in thr top 4 is bad enough. Even Arnold will get Aus to Qatar. Its not the achievement its made out to be by some It’s called the WORLD Cup for good reason. If you just want the top Confeds playing in a tournament just watch Copa America and the European Cup only My point was that its a doddle for any top 60 Asian Nations to go to the WC, but I guess tangents do seem to be your strong suit
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnge is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? No...nobody is saying that. Him quitting on the eve of the world cup was cowardly. Several players openly talked about how let down they felt after all his talk. He did some good things and some bad things as a coach - as do all coaches. However, please do not try to re-write his abandoning the ship as anything but what it was. Whether he felt unloved and didn't like the way football was run by the head honchos is a different matter again. He could have quit 3 games later and made the same point. He did what he always has. Talked dynasties and culture but quit when it was best for him. Fair enough but it is what it is. Always has? Please explain when he just quit? Coaches are entitled to leave their post when they feel the time is right. Have you ever coached at any decent level? Do you understand how it works? If the people that employ you don't respect you or trust you, what is the point in staying? It is better to go to a club or NT where you are appreciated by your employers. When did he just quit?! Lol wut? Declared that he wanted to create a dynasty at Roar, Victory, in Japan and for the NT. Jumped ship everytime it suited him. Crapped on about wanting to be near his family when he was in Brisbane only to piss off after Victory to go to Japan where he left his family behind. Good luck to him. He's entitled too do whatever suits himself but don't try and sanitise what he has done and probably always will do. Having said all that I do hope he does well at Celtic. Personally I'd like to see him coach Japan or South Korea. Teams with highly technical players that could implement the style he was trying to achieve with Australia. But yeah, still a dog for the way he left Australia in the lurch So a coach can't leave his club to do bigger and better things? Forget about career progression? What planet are you on? He built success at basically every club and NT he coached. He can't be expected to stay at each for life. You obviously can't read. Of course he can. I said good luck to him he's entitled to do whatever he wants. It's the crapping on bit talking about 'dynasties' and how he's in for the long haul when he isn't that irks people. And he played the family card to bale on Brisbane but then pissed off to Japan and left the family behind. So there's that too. Also, spoiler alert, left the NT high and dry. Wouldn't call that 'seeing it through'. and IF by some remarkable coincidence you are wrong and Ange was told by Stevie boy at the time that his contract would not be renewed for the tournament and they are bringing in a ringer foreigner because thats what the opinion surveys people told the FFA to do and he can either resign himself or be sacked in public, would you still feel the same way? Would you call that "saving face" or call the FFA dogs? You don't think by now that if this were in any way true it wouldn't have been leaked, by Ange or somebody within the FFA? Cmon man. He quit! I honestly don't know the truth, just rumours floating around, you know how these things go, every side has a different truth.... Maybe I'm naive and just want to expect the best in people, maybe Ange just saw how shit the Socceroos where and didn't want to lead them to another world cup ( oddly despite having lead an only slightly better squad against an even tougher group 4 years earlier) If you look at it dispassionately for a second though it doesn't match his methodology or garacter both before and after the NT gig. He is stubborn as f#ck without a doubt and not afraid, from his past selection of players at least, to follow his own path and you can tell his ego and self belief are gigantic. Taking on the Socceroos gig despite previous failure with the youth team was a gamble (BTW kudos to GA for doing the same thing, I'll admit at least that) , gutting the senior players before Asia cup was a gamble, packing up and coaching in Japan was a gamble, taking on Stevie G and the Hun in Scotland is a huuuuge gamble but doesn't make sense he would pack it in before getting a chance to prove his credentials with a team he qualified for a WC.... its so uncharacteristic..... why if not pushed, he wouldn't give 2 shits about what anyone else though of his performance.... there has to be something behind it..... Look I get that you feel cheated ( I was too, and to be honest I like you a little more now that I know what's behind your criticism) I get that it was sold to us fans that Ange abandoned the squad in the final hour because he is a coward and the FFA saved the day with a foreign devil presenting us with a fighting spirit appearance in Russia and after a world wide search for the best talent available..... good ol Aussie GA as a saviour....... I just don't buy it.....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnge is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? But somehow scoring a questionable penalty against France yet losing the game comfortably is some sort of source of pride for you? I guess we want different things out of the team that is supposed to represent all of us. How was that a questionable penalty? It was a blatant handball. Unnecessary? Probably. Lucky? sure. And how did we "lose comfortably" with the winning goal being within a bees dick of the goal-line tech ruling it no-goal? I don't care what anybody says, the performance vs France was top notch. We pressed intelligently and held our shape and thus they were out of ideas for entire match. Would of been a famous point if not for Pogba's lucky winner. Another brave defeat. Aren't you sick of that yet. Those days, for that sort of sentiment, should be long gone. Tell me, was losing to Japan another of those brave defeats that we should be proud of? Ange had one of the lowest success rates of a Socceroos coach, it literally was the epitome of the 'Brave Defeat' He got them to the world cup. Did not get the backing of the ffa, so he preferred to walk. He has achieved more than any other Aus coach. Can't deny it, haters will always exist. You got nothing. 4.5 spots for a federation whose best team is around #40 is a travesty in itself. For Australia to not manage to get in the top 4 would be a total catastrophic failure. Struggling to get in thr top 4 is bad enough. Even Arnold will get Aus to Qatar. Its not the achievement its made out to be by some It’s called the WORLD Cup for good reason. If you just want the top Confeds playing in a tournament just watch Copa America and the European Cup only My point was that its a doddle for any top 60 Asian Nations to go to the WC, but I guess tangents do seem to be your strong suit I got your ‘point’ first time. Don’t think for a second any of fhe past/present Socceroos, that have given everything on the pitch to qualify for a Wcup, would agree with your disrespectul comments towards our NT Wcup history/struggles/journey
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnge is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? But somehow scoring a questionable penalty against France yet losing the game comfortably is some sort of source of pride for you? I guess we want different things out of the team that is supposed to represent all of us. How was that a questionable penalty? It was a blatant handball. Unnecessary? Probably. Lucky? sure. And how did we "lose comfortably" with the winning goal being within a bees dick of the goal-line tech ruling it no-goal? I don't care what anybody says, the performance vs France was top notch. We pressed intelligently and held our shape and thus they were out of ideas for entire match. Would of been a famous point if not for Pogba's lucky winner. Another brave defeat. Aren't you sick of that yet. Those days, for that sort of sentiment, should be long gone. Tell me, was losing to Japan another of those brave defeats that we should be proud of? Ange had one of the lowest success rates of a Socceroos coach, it literally was the epitome of the 'Brave Defeat' He got them to the world cup. Did not get the backing of the ffa, so he preferred to walk. He has achieved more than any other Aus coach. Can't deny it, haters will always exist. You got nothing. 4.5 spots for a federation whose best team is around #40 is a travesty in itself. For Australia to not manage to get in the top 4 would be a total catastrophic failure. Struggling to get in thr top 4 is bad enough. Even Arnold will get Aus to Qatar. Its not the achievement its made out to be by some It’s called the WORLD Cup for good reason. If you just want the top Confeds playing in a tournament just watch Copa America and the European Cup only Just because it is called "The World Cup", doesn't necessarily means it's the best/strongest competition. The quality of the competition is "nerfed" with weaker teams that qualify for the tournament due to them qualifying via weaker Confederations. For the World Cup to be contested by the top World class teams, then there really is only one way to do so.... And that is having inter-Confederation qualifiers.. that would/should root out the weaker nations and have only the best Nations (plus/along with the odd dark horse/surprised team whoay/will qualify) competing against one another come the 'Word Cup' proper.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnge is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? No...nobody is saying that. Him quitting on the eve of the world cup was cowardly. Several players openly talked about how let down they felt after all his talk. He did some good things and some bad things as a coach - as do all coaches. However, please do not try to re-write his abandoning the ship as anything but what it was. Whether he felt unloved and didn't like the way football was run by the head honchos is a different matter again. He could have quit 3 games later and made the same point. He did what he always has. Talked dynasties and culture but quit when it was best for him. Fair enough but it is what it is. Always has? Please explain when he just quit? Coaches are entitled to leave their post when they feel the time is right. Have you ever coached at any decent level? Do you understand how it works? If the people that employ you don't respect you or trust you, what is the point in staying? It is better to go to a club or NT where you are appreciated by your employers. When did he just quit?! Lol wut? Declared that he wanted to create a dynasty at Roar, Victory, in Japan and for the NT. Jumped ship everytime it suited him. Crapped on about wanting to be near his family when he was in Brisbane only to piss off after Victory to go to Japan where he left his family behind. Good luck to him. He's entitled to do whatever suits himself but don't try and sanitise what he has done and probably always will do. Having said all that I do hope he does well at Celtic. Personally I'd like to see him coach Japan or South Korea. Teams with highly technical players that could implement the style he was trying to achieve with Australia. But yeah, still a dog for the way he left Australia in the lurch Yep, I remember that clearly, only for him a few weeks later he packs up and leaves Brisbane for Melbourne.
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+xI’ve never followed Celtic before, but Turnbull has a knack for scoring unusual goals. Either a mess like his goal yesterday or a belter from 35 yards out. He seems like a good player who must frustrate fans. This on the back of an injury that the Celtic medical team picked up when we first tried to sign him a season or two back. His injury was so bad that he had to pretty much relearn how to walk again,. Let alone relearning football again.
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+x+x+x+x+xGood 2-0 win for Celtic against Ferencvaros. All reports say they could have scored five or six, and CalMac missed a pen. Hart apparently made a few good saves though, to be fair. Could have/should have, but didn't. That said, I'm just happy with the win, and a second clean sheet in a row. That can be a foundation that can be built on. Especially with the injured players list reducing in size with each passing week (probably just cursed the team with that comment😬 ). Hopefully everything will be in good running order in time of the upcoming hectic fixture period with 6 or 7 matches in the upcoming two weeks. Followed by a couple of weeks off (I'm guessing an International window??). Then it is time for the crazy holiday period to start – Where we will be playing at a MINIMUM of 11 matches (depends on Cup results, which could add an extra match or two) over the last 4½ to 5 weeks of the calendar year. It will be over these periods of the season that will determine whether the team has a realistic chance at challenging for the title or not. I'm not Postecoglou's biggest fan but Jesus H Christ does this Celtic squad have more than its fair share of coach-killers. Its the players jobs to put the chances away, the managers job to set them up to create the chances. Right now, its the players that ere fucking him over, rather than the other way around. The team is definitely not the kindest to it's supporter's when it comes to our mental health and/or nervous system. I'm sure I have Bipolar due to following the club all these years 😟 I know its one less leaf on the clover BB but thought this might cheer you up? The gaffer had a great mentor, have some faith brother :)  Cheers brother 🙂 ☘🍀
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Massive away game in the league against Hibs coming up. If they can win this, they’ll be building some great momentum. A draw is dropped points in the long run, while a loss is, well, let’s not think about that right now.
I’m not a long-term SPL follower, but Hibs don’t seem to be doing well this year (maybe the loss of Irvine?), but Celtic historically seem to struggle against them away.
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I think Celtic haven’t won there for seven years?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnge is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? But somehow scoring a questionable penalty against France yet losing the game comfortably is some sort of source of pride for you? I guess we want different things out of the team that is supposed to represent all of us. How was that a questionable penalty? It was a blatant handball. Unnecessary? Probably. Lucky? sure. And how did we "lose comfortably" with the winning goal being within a bees dick of the goal-line tech ruling it no-goal? I don't care what anybody says, the performance vs France was top notch. We pressed intelligently and held our shape and thus they were out of ideas for entire match. Would of been a famous point if not for Pogba's lucky winner. Another brave defeat. Aren't you sick of that yet. Those days, for that sort of sentiment, should be long gone. Tell me, was losing to Japan another of those brave defeats that we should be proud of? Ange had one of the lowest success rates of a Socceroos coach, it literally was the epitome of the 'Brave Defeat' He got them to the world cup. Did not get the backing of the ffa, so he preferred to walk. He has achieved more than any other Aus coach. Can't deny it, haters will always exist. You got nothing. I don't think you can just brush off any criticism of Ange as "haters". After the 2015 Asian Cup I saw the man as a fucking GOD. I bought right in to his message about building a dynasty, changing football in Australia etc. I felt, as soon as it became apparent that he wasn't infallible, showing some tactical inflexibility etc, his attitude changed. He wanted to see more football related discussion from fans and the media, yet reacted poorly when that occurred because he didn't agree with what they were saying. Maybe he was right, that the criticism came from people that didn't understand what he was trying to do. So what? That is part of being a football manager. To quote Roy Keane, "that's his job". I did not want him to quit. I wanted him to see out this "dynasty" he was talking about at the World Cup in 2018. I also don't buy the "the FFA didn't back him" argument. The FFA at the time were buffoons no doubt, but they were buffoons when Ange was appointed in 2013 as well and if there is one thing that the FFA generally do well it's spending the required money to make sure the Socceroos squad and staff have every available opportunity for success leading up to and at the wold cup (training facilities, catered flights etc). I genuinely felt stabbed in the heart when he quit. I've since accepted that it was his, and nobody else, decision to make. That doesn't mean I have to like what he did and I certainly don't have to respect him for it. I believe he knew that a 0W 0D 3L cup was a distinct possibility and that would reflect badly on him. I still acknowledge he is Australia's best manager by far and genuinely wish him to succeed at Celtic. Exactly how I feel. Well said. I’ve never taken the time to write a detailed analysis of my thoughts on the end of Postecoglue’s time with the National team, but if I did, it would read pretty similar to that. I don’t buy the “couldn’t handle the press” for a second.
He knew he was about to lose 3 games straight and did what was best for his career at that point. Profoundly disagree with this. Anyone who understands the way he plays football (especially as coach of Oz) would appreciate his determination to succeed as coach / leader of Oz football. Read his book! He wanted only the best for Oz football and took immense pride in his position (and achievements). Can there be anything more fun than going to a World Cup as a player or manager? No-one is going to give that up without a seriously powerful incentive. My own theory (for which I have zero evidence) is that Ange was embittered by the criticism he'd copped and at the same time received an offer he couldn't refuse from the CFG. All of a sudden there was both a carrot and a stick and the man was just exhausted. (I understand also he has a pretty powerful ego which might have helped.) But no way in the world would he have been such a defeatist as to quit because he thought he would lose. In fact, I'm certain we would have done better if Ange had stayed. Just ask Jackson Irvine.
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+xI think Celtic haven’t won there for seven years? That's 4 on the trot that Hibs have lost in the League. What's going on? Has Boyle dropped his game, though I note he scored against Celtic? He seemed a bit off against Japan, but I thought that was that he was very well marked out of the game.
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+x+xI think Celtic haven’t won there for seven years? That's 4 on the trot that Hibs have lost in the League. What's going on? Has Boyle dropped his game, though I note he scored against Celtic? He seemed a bit off against Japan, but I thought that was that he was very well marked out of the game. No. He was Hibs highest rated player today according to BBC Sport.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnge is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? But somehow scoring a questionable penalty against France yet losing the game comfortably is some sort of source of pride for you? I guess we want different things out of the team that is supposed to represent all of us. How was that a questionable penalty? It was a blatant handball. Unnecessary? Probably. Lucky? sure. And how did we "lose comfortably" with the winning goal being within a bees dick of the goal-line tech ruling it no-goal? I don't care what anybody says, the performance vs France was top notch. We pressed intelligently and held our shape and thus they were out of ideas for entire match. Would of been a famous point if not for Pogba's lucky winner. Another brave defeat. Aren't you sick of that yet. Those days, for that sort of sentiment, should be long gone. Tell me, was losing to Japan another of those brave defeats that we should be proud of? Ange had one of the lowest success rates of a Socceroos coach, it literally was the epitome of the 'Brave Defeat' He got them to the world cup. Did not get the backing of the ffa, so he preferred to walk. He has achieved more than any other Aus coach. Can't deny it, haters will always exist. You got nothing. I don't think you can just brush off any criticism of Ange as "haters". After the 2015 Asian Cup I saw the man as a fucking GOD. I bought right in to his message about building a dynasty, changing football in Australia etc. I felt, as soon as it became apparent that he wasn't infallible, showing some tactical inflexibility etc, his attitude changed. He wanted to see more football related discussion from fans and the media, yet reacted poorly when that occurred because he didn't agree with what they were saying. Maybe he was right, that the criticism came from people that didn't understand what he was trying to do. So what? That is part of being a football manager. To quote Roy Keane, "that's his job". I did not want him to quit. I wanted him to see out this "dynasty" he was talking about at the World Cup in 2018. I also don't buy the "the FFA didn't back him" argument. The FFA at the time were buffoons no doubt, but they were buffoons when Ange was appointed in 2013 as well and if there is one thing that the FFA generally do well it's spending the required money to make sure the Socceroos squad and staff have every available opportunity for success leading up to and at the wold cup (training facilities, catered flights etc). I genuinely felt stabbed in the heart when he quit. I've since accepted that it was his, and nobody else, decision to make. That doesn't mean I have to like what he did and I certainly don't have to respect him for it. I believe he knew that a 0W 0D 3L cup was a distinct possibility and that would reflect badly on him. I still acknowledge he is Australia's best manager by far and genuinely wish him to succeed at Celtic. Exactly how I feel. Well said. I’ve never taken the time to write a detailed analysis of my thoughts on the end of Postecoglue’s time with the National team, but if I did, it would read pretty similar to that. I don’t buy the “couldn’t handle the press” for a second.
He knew he was about to lose 3 games straight and did what was best for his career at that point. Profoundly disagree with this. Anyone who understands the way he plays football (especially as coach of Oz) would appreciate his determination to succeed as coach / leader of Oz football. Read his book! He wanted only the best for Oz football and took immense pride in his position (and achievements). Can there be anything more fun than going to a World Cup as a player or manager? No-one is going to give that up without a seriously powerful incentive. My own theory (for which I have zero evidence) is that Ange was embittered by the criticism he'd copped and at the same time received an offer he couldn't refuse from the CFG. All of a sudden there was both a carrot and a stick and the man was just exhausted. (I understand also he has a pretty powerful ego which might have helped.) But no way in the world would he have been such a defeatist as to quit because he thought he would lose. In fact, I'm certain we would have done better if Ange had stayed. Just ask Jackson Irvine. I've read his book and I can't find an excuse for him abandoning Australia months out from the WC based on what he said in that.. More baffling was the revelation from players that even after they won the Asian cup they were afraid to approach him to celebrate because he always keeps everyone around him guessing. Fair enough during or before the tournament but after. Tool.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnge is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? But somehow scoring a questionable penalty against France yet losing the game comfortably is some sort of source of pride for you? I guess we want different things out of the team that is supposed to represent all of us. How was that a questionable penalty? It was a blatant handball. Unnecessary? Probably. Lucky? sure. And how did we "lose comfortably" with the winning goal being within a bees dick of the goal-line tech ruling it no-goal? I don't care what anybody says, the performance vs France was top notch. We pressed intelligently and held our shape and thus they were out of ideas for entire match. Would of been a famous point if not for Pogba's lucky winner. Another brave defeat. Aren't you sick of that yet. Those days, for that sort of sentiment, should be long gone. Tell me, was losing to Japan another of those brave defeats that we should be proud of? Ange had one of the lowest success rates of a Socceroos coach, it literally was the epitome of the 'Brave Defeat' He got them to the world cup. Did not get the backing of the ffa, so he preferred to walk. He has achieved more than any other Aus coach. Can't deny it, haters will always exist. You got nothing. I don't think you can just brush off any criticism of Ange as "haters". After the 2015 Asian Cup I saw the man as a fucking GOD. I bought right in to his message about building a dynasty, changing football in Australia etc. I felt, as soon as it became apparent that he wasn't infallible, showing some tactical inflexibility etc, his attitude changed. He wanted to see more football related discussion from fans and the media, yet reacted poorly when that occurred because he didn't agree with what they were saying. Maybe he was right, that the criticism came from people that didn't understand what he was trying to do. So what? That is part of being a football manager. To quote Roy Keane, "that's his job". I did not want him to quit. I wanted him to see out this "dynasty" he was talking about at the World Cup in 2018. I also don't buy the "the FFA didn't back him" argument. The FFA at the time were buffoons no doubt, but they were buffoons when Ange was appointed in 2013 as well and if there is one thing that the FFA generally do well it's spending the required money to make sure the Socceroos squad and staff have every available opportunity for success leading up to and at the wold cup (training facilities, catered flights etc). I genuinely felt stabbed in the heart when he quit. I've since accepted that it was his, and nobody else, decision to make. That doesn't mean I have to like what he did and I certainly don't have to respect him for it. I believe he knew that a 0W 0D 3L cup was a distinct possibility and that would reflect badly on him. I still acknowledge he is Australia's best manager by far and genuinely wish him to succeed at Celtic. Exactly how I feel. Well said. I’ve never taken the time to write a detailed analysis of my thoughts on the end of Postecoglue’s time with the National team, but if I did, it would read pretty similar to that. I don’t buy the “couldn’t handle the press” for a second.
He knew he was about to lose 3 games straight and did what was best for his career at that point. Profoundly disagree with this. Anyone who understands the way he plays football (especially as coach of Oz) would appreciate his determination to succeed as coach / leader of Oz football. Read his book! He wanted only the best for Oz football and took immense pride in his position (and achievements). Can there be anything more fun than going to a World Cup as a player or manager? No-one is going to give that up without a seriously powerful incentive. My own theory (for which I have zero evidence) is that Ange was embittered by the criticism he'd copped and at the same time received an offer he couldn't refuse from the CFG. All of a sudden there was both a carrot and a stick and the man was just exhausted. (I understand also he has a pretty powerful ego which might have helped.) But no way in the world would he have been such a defeatist as to quit because he thought he would lose. In fact, I'm certain we would have done better if Ange had stayed. Just ask Jackson Irvine. I've read his book and I can't find an excuse for him abandoning Australia months out from the WC based on what he said in that.. More baffling was the revelation from players that even after they won the Asian cup they were afraid to approach him to celebrate because he always keeps everyone around him guessing. Fair enough during or before the tournament but after. Tool. I actually think he has some quite strong asberger's/autism traits. Not saying that as a judgment btw. Just note the way he couldn't ever look at the person interviewing him straight (he always looks to the side or down). Always had me intrigued.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnge is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? But somehow scoring a questionable penalty against France yet losing the game comfortably is some sort of source of pride for you? I guess we want different things out of the team that is supposed to represent all of us. How was that a questionable penalty? It was a blatant handball. Unnecessary? Probably. Lucky? sure. And how did we "lose comfortably" with the winning goal being within a bees dick of the goal-line tech ruling it no-goal? I don't care what anybody says, the performance vs France was top notch. We pressed intelligently and held our shape and thus they were out of ideas for entire match. Would of been a famous point if not for Pogba's lucky winner. Another brave defeat. Aren't you sick of that yet. Those days, for that sort of sentiment, should be long gone. Tell me, was losing to Japan another of those brave defeats that we should be proud of? Ange had one of the lowest success rates of a Socceroos coach, it literally was the epitome of the 'Brave Defeat' He got them to the world cup. Did not get the backing of the ffa, so he preferred to walk. He has achieved more than any other Aus coach. Can't deny it, haters will always exist. You got nothing. I don't think you can just brush off any criticism of Ange as "haters". After the 2015 Asian Cup I saw the man as a fucking GOD. I bought right in to his message about building a dynasty, changing football in Australia etc. I felt, as soon as it became apparent that he wasn't infallible, showing some tactical inflexibility etc, his attitude changed. He wanted to see more football related discussion from fans and the media, yet reacted poorly when that occurred because he didn't agree with what they were saying. Maybe he was right, that the criticism came from people that didn't understand what he was trying to do. So what? That is part of being a football manager. To quote Roy Keane, "that's his job". I did not want him to quit. I wanted him to see out this "dynasty" he was talking about at the World Cup in 2018. I also don't buy the "the FFA didn't back him" argument. The FFA at the time were buffoons no doubt, but they were buffoons when Ange was appointed in 2013 as well and if there is one thing that the FFA generally do well it's spending the required money to make sure the Socceroos squad and staff have every available opportunity for success leading up to and at the wold cup (training facilities, catered flights etc). I genuinely felt stabbed in the heart when he quit. I've since accepted that it was his, and nobody else, decision to make. That doesn't mean I have to like what he did and I certainly don't have to respect him for it. I believe he knew that a 0W 0D 3L cup was a distinct possibility and that would reflect badly on him. I still acknowledge he is Australia's best manager by far and genuinely wish him to succeed at Celtic. Exactly how I feel. Well said. I’ve never taken the time to write a detailed analysis of my thoughts on the end of Postecoglue’s time with the National team, but if I did, it would read pretty similar to that. I don’t buy the “couldn’t handle the press” for a second.
He knew he was about to lose 3 games straight and did what was best for his career at that point. Profoundly disagree with this. Anyone who understands the way he plays football (especially as coach of Oz) would appreciate his determination to succeed as coach / leader of Oz football. Read his book! He wanted only the best for Oz football and took immense pride in his position (and achievements). Can there be anything more fun than going to a World Cup as a player or manager? No-one is going to give that up without a seriously powerful incentive. My own theory (for which I have zero evidence) is that Ange was embittered by the criticism he'd copped and at the same time received an offer he couldn't refuse from the CFG. All of a sudden there was both a carrot and a stick and the man was just exhausted. (I understand also he has a pretty powerful ego which might have helped.) But no way in the world would he have been such a defeatist as to quit because he thought he would lose. In fact, I'm certain we would have done better if Ange had stayed. Just ask Jackson Irvine. Fair enough that we have different opinions and I’ll admit I’ve never read Ange’s book. It would however have been his second WC where he lost all three group games had he stayed and given the performances against Thailand, Syria and Honduras I think he knew it was likely. That is a record to avoid at all costs both in the context of historical Australian coaches and as a coach looking for a job after the WC. I haven’t read any of Irvine’s comments on Ange leaving, but would be interested to. Any links you can share?
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I’m generally not one for conspiracy theories in football, but hearing that in their three previous games Rangers have been behind when the opposition have received a red card and two penalties, followed by the softest penalty ever to square things up against Aberdeen in the 81st minute; is enough to make you believe in a “Rangers effect”.
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+xI’m generally not one for conspiracy theories in football, but hearing that in their three previous games Rangers have been behind when the opposition have received a red card and two penalties, followed by the softest penalty ever to square things up against Aberdeen in the 81st minute; is enough to make you believe in a “Rangers effect”. The sooner VAR is introduced to Scottish football the better.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnge is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? But somehow scoring a questionable penalty against France yet losing the game comfortably is some sort of source of pride for you? I guess we want different things out of the team that is supposed to represent all of us. How was that a questionable penalty? It was a blatant handball. Unnecessary? Probably. Lucky? sure. And how did we "lose comfortably" with the winning goal being within a bees dick of the goal-line tech ruling it no-goal? I don't care what anybody says, the performance vs France was top notch. We pressed intelligently and held our shape and thus they were out of ideas for entire match. Would of been a famous point if not for Pogba's lucky winner. Another brave defeat. Aren't you sick of that yet. Those days, for that sort of sentiment, should be long gone. Tell me, was losing to Japan another of those brave defeats that we should be proud of? Ange had one of the lowest success rates of a Socceroos coach, it literally was the epitome of the 'Brave Defeat' He got them to the world cup. Did not get the backing of the ffa, so he preferred to walk. He has achieved more than any other Aus coach. Can't deny it, haters will always exist. You got nothing. I don't think you can just brush off any criticism of Ange as "haters". After the 2015 Asian Cup I saw the man as a fucking GOD. I bought right in to his message about building a dynasty, changing football in Australia etc. I felt, as soon as it became apparent that he wasn't infallible, showing some tactical inflexibility etc, his attitude changed. He wanted to see more football related discussion from fans and the media, yet reacted poorly when that occurred because he didn't agree with what they were saying. Maybe he was right, that the criticism came from people that didn't understand what he was trying to do. So what? That is part of being a football manager. To quote Roy Keane, "that's his job". I did not want him to quit. I wanted him to see out this "dynasty" he was talking about at the World Cup in 2018. I also don't buy the "the FFA didn't back him" argument. The FFA at the time were buffoons no doubt, but they were buffoons when Ange was appointed in 2013 as well and if there is one thing that the FFA generally do well it's spending the required money to make sure the Socceroos squad and staff have every available opportunity for success leading up to and at the wold cup (training facilities, catered flights etc). I genuinely felt stabbed in the heart when he quit. I've since accepted that it was his, and nobody else, decision to make. That doesn't mean I have to like what he did and I certainly don't have to respect him for it. I believe he knew that a 0W 0D 3L cup was a distinct possibility and that would reflect badly on him. I still acknowledge he is Australia's best manager by far and genuinely wish him to succeed at Celtic. Exactly how I feel. Well said. I’ve never taken the time to write a detailed analysis of my thoughts on the end of Postecoglue’s time with the National team, but if I did, it would read pretty similar to that. I don’t buy the “couldn’t handle the press” for a second.
He knew he was about to lose 3 games straight and did what was best for his career at that point. Profoundly disagree with this. Anyone who understands the way he plays football (especially as coach of Oz) would appreciate his determination to succeed as coach / leader of Oz football. Read his book! He wanted only the best for Oz football and took immense pride in his position (and achievements). Can there be anything more fun than going to a World Cup as a player or manager? No-one is going to give that up without a seriously powerful incentive. My own theory (for which I have zero evidence) is that Ange was embittered by the criticism he'd copped and at the same time received an offer he couldn't refuse from the CFG. All of a sudden there was both a carrot and a stick and the man was just exhausted. (I understand also he has a pretty powerful ego which might have helped.) But no way in the world would he have been such a defeatist as to quit because he thought he would lose. In fact, I'm certain we would have done better if Ange had stayed. Just ask Jackson Irvine. I've read his book and I can't find an excuse for him abandoning Australia months out from the WC based on what he said in that.. More baffling was the revelation from players that even after they won the Asian cup they were afraid to approach him to celebrate because he always keeps everyone around him guessing. Fair enough during or before the tournament but after. Tool. I actually think he has some quite strong asberger's/autism traits. Not saying that as a judgment btw. Just note the way he couldn't ever look at the person interviewing him straight (he always looks to the side or down). Always had me intrigued. " "Looking someone in the eye" is supposed to mean sincerity and honesty. The best liars can look you straight in the eye and still lie convincingly. Doesn't mean much to me. Some people are better able to organize their thoughts and communicate more articulately by looking away. But he quit because he knew he did not have the cattle to play the way he wanted and would be smashed at the World Cup. Again. That's the thing about international coaching-the cattle is limited.
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+x+xI’m generally not one for conspiracy theories in football, but hearing that in their three previous games Rangers have been behind when the opposition have received a red card and two penalties, followed by the softest penalty ever to square things up against Aberdeen in the 81st minute; is enough to make you believe in a “Rangers effect”. The sooner VAR is introduced to Scottish football the better. Yep, then Rangers will the penalties that they get cheated out of every week. Then again , maybe not if someone like Kevin Clancy is in the VAR box.
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+xI’m generally not one for conspiracy theories in football, but hearing that in their three previous games Rangers have been behind when the opposition have received a red card and two penalties, followed by the softest penalty ever to square things up against Aberdeen in the 81st minute; is enough to make you believe in a “Rangers effect”. It's fairly common for the League's most successful side(s) to receive more favourable treatment isn't it? I wouldn't chalk it up to conspiracy, rather the natural human reaction to believe that the inferior side have committed a foul, etc. We see the same in in Australia with Sydney, where everybody thinks the FFA have given a directive to refs to favour Sydney for no reason whatsoever.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnge is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? But somehow scoring a questionable penalty against France yet losing the game comfortably is some sort of source of pride for you? I guess we want different things out of the team that is supposed to represent all of us. How was that a questionable penalty? It was a blatant handball. Unnecessary? Probably. Lucky? sure. And how did we "lose comfortably" with the winning goal being within a bees dick of the goal-line tech ruling it no-goal? I don't care what anybody says, the performance vs France was top notch. We pressed intelligently and held our shape and thus they were out of ideas for entire match. Would of been a famous point if not for Pogba's lucky winner. Another brave defeat. Aren't you sick of that yet. Those days, for that sort of sentiment, should be long gone. Tell me, was losing to Japan another of those brave defeats that we should be proud of? Ange had one of the lowest success rates of a Socceroos coach, it literally was the epitome of the 'Brave Defeat' He got them to the world cup. Did not get the backing of the ffa, so he preferred to walk. He has achieved more than any other Aus coach. Can't deny it, haters will always exist. You got nothing. I don't think you can just brush off any criticism of Ange as "haters". After the 2015 Asian Cup I saw the man as a fucking GOD. I bought right in to his message about building a dynasty, changing football in Australia etc. I felt, as soon as it became apparent that he wasn't infallible, showing some tactical inflexibility etc, his attitude changed. He wanted to see more football related discussion from fans and the media, yet reacted poorly when that occurred because he didn't agree with what they were saying. Maybe he was right, that the criticism came from people that didn't understand what he was trying to do. So what? That is part of being a football manager. To quote Roy Keane, "that's his job". I did not want him to quit. I wanted him to see out this "dynasty" he was talking about at the World Cup in 2018. I also don't buy the "the FFA didn't back him" argument. The FFA at the time were buffoons no doubt, but they were buffoons when Ange was appointed in 2013 as well and if there is one thing that the FFA generally do well it's spending the required money to make sure the Socceroos squad and staff have every available opportunity for success leading up to and at the wold cup (training facilities, catered flights etc). I genuinely felt stabbed in the heart when he quit. I've since accepted that it was his, and nobody else, decision to make. That doesn't mean I have to like what he did and I certainly don't have to respect him for it. I believe he knew that a 0W 0D 3L cup was a distinct possibility and that would reflect badly on him. I still acknowledge he is Australia's best manager by far and genuinely wish him to succeed at Celtic. Exactly how I feel. Well said. I’ve never taken the time to write a detailed analysis of my thoughts on the end of Postecoglue’s time with the National team, but if I did, it would read pretty similar to that. I don’t buy the “couldn’t handle the press” for a second.
He knew he was about to lose 3 games straight and did what was best for his career at that point. Profoundly disagree with this. Anyone who understands the way he plays football (especially as coach of Oz) would appreciate his determination to succeed as coach / leader of Oz football. Read his book! He wanted only the best for Oz football and took immense pride in his position (and achievements). Can there be anything more fun than going to a World Cup as a player or manager? No-one is going to give that up without a seriously powerful incentive. My own theory (for which I have zero evidence) is that Ange was embittered by the criticism he'd copped and at the same time received an offer he couldn't refuse from the CFG. All of a sudden there was both a carrot and a stick and the man was just exhausted. (I understand also he has a pretty powerful ego which might have helped.) But no way in the world would he have been such a defeatist as to quit because he thought he would lose. In fact, I'm certain we would have done better if Ange had stayed. Just ask Jackson Irvine. +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnge is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? But somehow scoring a questionable penalty against France yet losing the game comfortably is some sort of source of pride for you? I guess we want different things out of the team that is supposed to represent all of us. How was that a questionable penalty? It was a blatant handball. Unnecessary? Probably. Lucky? sure. And how did we "lose comfortably" with the winning goal being within a bees dick of the goal-line tech ruling it no-goal? I don't care what anybody says, the performance vs France was top notch. We pressed intelligently and held our shape and thus they were out of ideas for entire match. Would of been a famous point if not for Pogba's lucky winner. Another brave defeat. Aren't you sick of that yet. Those days, for that sort of sentiment, should be long gone. Tell me, was losing to Japan another of those brave defeats that we should be proud of? Ange had one of the lowest success rates of a Socceroos coach, it literally was the epitome of the 'Brave Defeat' He got them to the world cup. Did not get the backing of the ffa, so he preferred to walk. He has achieved more than any other Aus coach. Can't deny it, haters will always exist. You got nothing. I don't think you can just brush off any criticism of Ange as "haters". After the 2015 Asian Cup I saw the man as a fucking GOD. I bought right in to his message about building a dynasty, changing football in Australia etc. I felt, as soon as it became apparent that he wasn't infallible, showing some tactical inflexibility etc, his attitude changed. He wanted to see more football related discussion from fans and the media, yet reacted poorly when that occurred because he didn't agree with what they were saying. Maybe he was right, that the criticism came from people that didn't understand what he was trying to do. So what? That is part of being a football manager. To quote Roy Keane, "that's his job". I did not want him to quit. I wanted him to see out this "dynasty" he was talking about at the World Cup in 2018. I also don't buy the "the FFA didn't back him" argument. The FFA at the time were buffoons no doubt, but they were buffoons when Ange was appointed in 2013 as well and if there is one thing that the FFA generally do well it's spending the required money to make sure the Socceroos squad and staff have every available opportunity for success leading up to and at the wold cup (training facilities, catered flights etc). I genuinely felt stabbed in the heart when he quit. I've since accepted that it was his, and nobody else, decision to make. That doesn't mean I have to like what he did and I certainly don't have to respect him for it. I believe he knew that a 0W 0D 3L cup was a distinct possibility and that would reflect badly on him. I still acknowledge he is Australia's best manager by far and genuinely wish him to succeed at Celtic. Exactly how I feel. Well said. I’ve never taken the time to write a detailed analysis of my thoughts on the end of Postecoglue’s time with the National team, but if I did, it would read pretty similar to that. I don’t buy the “couldn’t handle the press” for a second.
He knew he was about to lose 3 games straight and did what was best for his career at that point. Profoundly disagree with this. Anyone who understands the way he plays football (especially as coach of Oz) would appreciate his determination to succeed as coach / leader of Oz football. Read his book! He wanted only the best for Oz football and took immense pride in his position (and achievements). Can there be anything more fun than going to a World Cup as a player or manager? No-one is going to give that up without a seriously powerful incentive. My own theory (for which I have zero evidence) is that Ange was embittered by the criticism he'd copped and at the same time received an offer he couldn't refuse from the CFG. All of a sudden there was both a carrot and a stick and the man was just exhausted. (I understand also he has a pretty powerful ego which might have helped.) But no way in the world would he have been such a defeatist as to quit because he thought he would lose. In fact, I'm certain we would have done better if Ange had stayed. Just ask Jackson Irvine. Fair enough that we have different opinions and I’ll admit I’ve never read Ange’s book. It would however have been his second WC where he lost all three group games had he stayed and given the performances against Thailand, Syria and Honduras I think he knew it was likely. That is a record to avoid at all costs both in the context of historical Australian coaches and as a coach looking for a job after the WC. I haven’t read any of Irvine’s comments on Ange leaving, but would be interested to. Any links you can share? A bit of truth in both of these I think. They are not mutually exclusive. Ange seems to be quite a complicated man. My own theory (for which I have zero evidence) is that Ange was embittered by the criticism he'd copped and at the same time received an offer he couldn't refuse from the CFG. All of a sudden there was both a carrot and a stick and the man was just exhausted. (I understand also he has a pretty powerful ego which might have helped.)
and It would however have been his second WC where he lost all three group games had he stayed and given the performances against Thailand, Syria and Honduras I think he knew it was likely. That is a record to avoid at all costs both in the context of historical Australian coaches and as a coach looking for a job after the WC.Yes he was pissed off with criticism (in spite of encouraging football analysis), he had a good offer from CFG, he had a poor result at the last World Cup (though won plaudits with how Australia played) and he has a large ego and another poor showing at the World Cup would not have sat well with him. To me - he did the best for his career - something we probably would all do.
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+x+xI’m generally not one for conspiracy theories in football, but hearing that in their three previous games Rangers have been behind when the opposition have received a red card and two penalties, followed by the softest penalty ever to square things up against Aberdeen in the 81st minute; is enough to make you believe in a “Rangers effect”. It's fairly common for the League's most successful side(s) to receive more favourable treatment isn't it? I wouldn't chalk it up to conspiracy, rather the natural human reaction to believe that the inferior side have committed a foul, etc. We see the same in in Australia with Sydney, where everybody thinks the FFA have given a directive to refs to favour Sydney for no reason whatsoever. And if you spend a lot of time in your opponents box, then the law of averages dictates you will win more penalties.
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+x+x+xI’m generally not one for conspiracy theories in football, but hearing that in their three previous games Rangers have been behind when the opposition have received a red card and two penalties, followed by the softest penalty ever to square things up against Aberdeen in the 81st minute; is enough to make you believe in a “Rangers effect”. It's fairly common for the League's most successful side(s) to receive more favourable treatment isn't it? I wouldn't chalk it up to conspiracy, rather the natural human reaction to believe that the inferior side have committed a foul, etc. We see the same in in Australia with Sydney, where everybody thinks the FFA have given a directive to refs to favour Sydney for no reason whatsoever. And if you spend a lot of time in your opponents box, then the law of averages dictates you will win more penalties. Yes. And at a local level (when I'm reffing) I've noticed that teams that have more skilful players draw more fouls. (Either blokes are missing the ball and kicking them accidently because they've moved it away from them or outright kicking them because they've got better skills.)
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Very good win last night for Ange’s Celtic over Ferencvaros away in Hungary, 3-2. If they can win away in the league this coming weekend, Celtic will still be alive in the Europa League, have a cup semi-final coming up and be just four points off Rangers in the league. Since the last international break Celtic have not lost a match, and really only had one disappointing outing, last weekend’s draw at home to a side that parked two buses and played anti-football. Fascinating times, Celtic haven’t quite got a grip on Ange-ball yet but are on their way. The squad is still thin, definitely needs a boost of two or three quality players in midfield in the transfer window, and more time, which is not freely given at Celtic, but still, things are better right now for Ange than just six weeks ago. Of course, we all know football fortunes can turn on a dime.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnge is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? But somehow scoring a questionable penalty against France yet losing the game comfortably is some sort of source of pride for you? I guess we want different things out of the team that is supposed to represent all of us. How was that a questionable penalty? It was a blatant handball. Unnecessary? Probably. Lucky? sure. And how did we "lose comfortably" with the winning goal being within a bees dick of the goal-line tech ruling it no-goal? I don't care what anybody says, the performance vs France was top notch. We pressed intelligently and held our shape and thus they were out of ideas for entire match. Would of been a famous point if not for Pogba's lucky winner. Another brave defeat. Aren't you sick of that yet. Those days, for that sort of sentiment, should be long gone. Tell me, was losing to Japan another of those brave defeats that we should be proud of? Ange had one of the lowest success rates of a Socceroos coach, it literally was the epitome of the 'Brave Defeat' He got them to the world cup. Did not get the backing of the ffa, so he preferred to walk. He has achieved more than any other Aus coach. Can't deny it, haters will always exist. You got nothing. I don't think you can just brush off any criticism of Ange as "haters". After the 2015 Asian Cup I saw the man as a fucking GOD. I bought right in to his message about building a dynasty, changing football in Australia etc. I felt, as soon as it became apparent that he wasn't infallible, showing some tactical inflexibility etc, his attitude changed. He wanted to see more football related discussion from fans and the media, yet reacted poorly when that occurred because he didn't agree with what they were saying. Maybe he was right, that the criticism came from people that didn't understand what he was trying to do. So what? That is part of being a football manager. To quote Roy Keane, "that's his job". I did not want him to quit. I wanted him to see out this "dynasty" he was talking about at the World Cup in 2018. I also don't buy the "the FFA didn't back him" argument. The FFA at the time were buffoons no doubt, but they were buffoons when Ange was appointed in 2013 as well and if there is one thing that the FFA generally do well it's spending the required money to make sure the Socceroos squad and staff have every available opportunity for success leading up to and at the wold cup (training facilities, catered flights etc). I genuinely felt stabbed in the heart when he quit. I've since accepted that it was his, and nobody else, decision to make. That doesn't mean I have to like what he did and I certainly don't have to respect him for it. I believe he knew that a 0W 0D 3L cup was a distinct possibility and that would reflect badly on him. I still acknowledge he is Australia's best manager by far and genuinely wish him to succeed at Celtic. Exactly how I feel. Well said. I’ve never taken the time to write a detailed analysis of my thoughts on the end of Postecoglue’s time with the National team, but if I did, it would read pretty similar to that. I don’t buy the “couldn’t handle the press” for a second.
He knew he was about to lose 3 games straight and did what was best for his career at that point. Profoundly disagree with this. Anyone who understands the way he plays football (especially as coach of Oz) would appreciate his determination to succeed as coach / leader of Oz football. Read his book! He wanted only the best for Oz football and took immense pride in his position (and achievements). Can there be anything more fun than going to a World Cup as a player or manager? No-one is going to give that up without a seriously powerful incentive. My own theory (for which I have zero evidence) is that Ange was embittered by the criticism he'd copped and at the same time received an offer he couldn't refuse from the CFG. All of a sudden there was both a carrot and a stick and the man was just exhausted. (I understand also he has a pretty powerful ego which might have helped.) But no way in the world would he have been such a defeatist as to quit because he thought he would lose. In fact, I'm certain we would have done better if Ange had stayed. Just ask Jackson Irvine. Fair enough that we have different opinions and I’ll admit I’ve never read Ange’s book. It would however have been his second WC where he lost all three group games had he stayed and given the performances against Thailand, Syria and Honduras I think he knew it was likely. That is a record to avoid at all costs both in the context of historical Australian coaches and as a coach looking for a job after the WC. I haven’t read any of Irvine’s comments on Ange leaving, but would be interested to. Any links you can share? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VEkZmOezfYJackson Irvine talking about Ange
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnge is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? But somehow scoring a questionable penalty against France yet losing the game comfortably is some sort of source of pride for you? I guess we want different things out of the team that is supposed to represent all of us. How was that a questionable penalty? It was a blatant handball. Unnecessary? Probably. Lucky? sure. And how did we "lose comfortably" with the winning goal being within a bees dick of the goal-line tech ruling it no-goal? I don't care what anybody says, the performance vs France was top notch. We pressed intelligently and held our shape and thus they were out of ideas for entire match. Would of been a famous point if not for Pogba's lucky winner. Another brave defeat. Aren't you sick of that yet. Those days, for that sort of sentiment, should be long gone. Tell me, was losing to Japan another of those brave defeats that we should be proud of? Ange had one of the lowest success rates of a Socceroos coach, it literally was the epitome of the 'Brave Defeat' He got them to the world cup. Did not get the backing of the ffa, so he preferred to walk. He has achieved more than any other Aus coach. Can't deny it, haters will always exist. You got nothing. I don't think you can just brush off any criticism of Ange as "haters". After the 2015 Asian Cup I saw the man as a fucking GOD. I bought right in to his message about building a dynasty, changing football in Australia etc. I felt, as soon as it became apparent that he wasn't infallible, showing some tactical inflexibility etc, his attitude changed. He wanted to see more football related discussion from fans and the media, yet reacted poorly when that occurred because he didn't agree with what they were saying. Maybe he was right, that the criticism came from people that didn't understand what he was trying to do. So what? That is part of being a football manager. To quote Roy Keane, "that's his job". I did not want him to quit. I wanted him to see out this "dynasty" he was talking about at the World Cup in 2018. I also don't buy the "the FFA didn't back him" argument. The FFA at the time were buffoons no doubt, but they were buffoons when Ange was appointed in 2013 as well and if there is one thing that the FFA generally do well it's spending the required money to make sure the Socceroos squad and staff have every available opportunity for success leading up to and at the wold cup (training facilities, catered flights etc). I genuinely felt stabbed in the heart when he quit. I've since accepted that it was his, and nobody else, decision to make. That doesn't mean I have to like what he did and I certainly don't have to respect him for it. I believe he knew that a 0W 0D 3L cup was a distinct possibility and that would reflect badly on him. I still acknowledge he is Australia's best manager by far and genuinely wish him to succeed at Celtic. Exactly how I feel. Well said. I’ve never taken the time to write a detailed analysis of my thoughts on the end of Postecoglue’s time with the National team, but if I did, it would read pretty similar to that. I don’t buy the “couldn’t handle the press” for a second.
He knew he was about to lose 3 games straight and did what was best for his career at that point. Profoundly disagree with this. Anyone who understands the way he plays football (especially as coach of Oz) would appreciate his determination to succeed as coach / leader of Oz football. Read his book! He wanted only the best for Oz football and took immense pride in his position (and achievements). Can there be anything more fun than going to a World Cup as a player or manager? No-one is going to give that up without a seriously powerful incentive. My own theory (for which I have zero evidence) is that Ange was embittered by the criticism he'd copped and at the same time received an offer he couldn't refuse from the CFG. All of a sudden there was both a carrot and a stick and the man was just exhausted. (I understand also he has a pretty powerful ego which might have helped.) But no way in the world would he have been such a defeatist as to quit because he thought he would lose. In fact, I'm certain we would have done better if Ange had stayed. Just ask Jackson Irvine. Fair enough that we have different opinions and I’ll admit I’ve never read Ange’s book. It would however have been his second WC where he lost all three group games had he stayed and given the performances against Thailand, Syria and Honduras I think he knew it was likely. That is a record to avoid at all costs both in the context of historical Australian coaches and as a coach looking for a job after the WC. I haven’t read any of Irvine’s comments on Ange leaving, but would be interested to. Any links you can share? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VEkZmOezfYJackson Irvine talking about Ange Start at 1:40:00 about.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnge is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? But somehow scoring a questionable penalty against France yet losing the game comfortably is some sort of source of pride for you? I guess we want different things out of the team that is supposed to represent all of us. How was that a questionable penalty? It was a blatant handball. Unnecessary? Probably. Lucky? sure. And how did we "lose comfortably" with the winning goal being within a bees dick of the goal-line tech ruling it no-goal? I don't care what anybody says, the performance vs France was top notch. We pressed intelligently and held our shape and thus they were out of ideas for entire match. Would of been a famous point if not for Pogba's lucky winner. Another brave defeat. Aren't you sick of that yet. Those days, for that sort of sentiment, should be long gone. Tell me, was losing to Japan another of those brave defeats that we should be proud of? Ange had one of the lowest success rates of a Socceroos coach, it literally was the epitome of the 'Brave Defeat' He got them to the world cup. Did not get the backing of the ffa, so he preferred to walk. He has achieved more than any other Aus coach. Can't deny it, haters will always exist. You got nothing. I don't think you can just brush off any criticism of Ange as "haters". After the 2015 Asian Cup I saw the man as a fucking GOD. I bought right in to his message about building a dynasty, changing football in Australia etc. I felt, as soon as it became apparent that he wasn't infallible, showing some tactical inflexibility etc, his attitude changed. He wanted to see more football related discussion from fans and the media, yet reacted poorly when that occurred because he didn't agree with what they were saying. Maybe he was right, that the criticism came from people that didn't understand what he was trying to do. So what? That is part of being a football manager. To quote Roy Keane, "that's his job". I did not want him to quit. I wanted him to see out this "dynasty" he was talking about at the World Cup in 2018. I also don't buy the "the FFA didn't back him" argument. The FFA at the time were buffoons no doubt, but they were buffoons when Ange was appointed in 2013 as well and if there is one thing that the FFA generally do well it's spending the required money to make sure the Socceroos squad and staff have every available opportunity for success leading up to and at the wold cup (training facilities, catered flights etc). I genuinely felt stabbed in the heart when he quit. I've since accepted that it was his, and nobody else, decision to make. That doesn't mean I have to like what he did and I certainly don't have to respect him for it. I believe he knew that a 0W 0D 3L cup was a distinct possibility and that would reflect badly on him. I still acknowledge he is Australia's best manager by far and genuinely wish him to succeed at Celtic. Exactly how I feel. Well said. I’ve never taken the time to write a detailed analysis of my thoughts on the end of Postecoglue’s time with the National team, but if I did, it would read pretty similar to that. I don’t buy the “couldn’t handle the press” for a second.
He knew he was about to lose 3 games straight and did what was best for his career at that point. Profoundly disagree with this. Anyone who understands the way he plays football (especially as coach of Oz) would appreciate his determination to succeed as coach / leader of Oz football. Read his book! He wanted only the best for Oz football and took immense pride in his position (and achievements). Can there be anything more fun than going to a World Cup as a player or manager? No-one is going to give that up without a seriously powerful incentive. My own theory (for which I have zero evidence) is that Ange was embittered by the criticism he'd copped and at the same time received an offer he couldn't refuse from the CFG. All of a sudden there was both a carrot and a stick and the man was just exhausted. (I understand also he has a pretty powerful ego which might have helped.) But no way in the world would he have been such a defeatist as to quit because he thought he would lose. In fact, I'm certain we would have done better if Ange had stayed. Just ask Jackson Irvine. Fair enough that we have different opinions and I’ll admit I’ve never read Ange’s book. It would however have been his second WC where he lost all three group games had he stayed and given the performances against Thailand, Syria and Honduras I think he knew it was likely. That is a record to avoid at all costs both in the context of historical Australian coaches and as a coach looking for a job after the WC. I haven’t read any of Irvine’s comments on Ange leaving, but would be interested to. Any links you can share? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VEkZmOezfYJackson Irvine talking about Ange Start at 1:40:00 about. Thanks to both of you.
Who do you think his roommate was that he was talking about, who missed the 2014 and 2018 World Cup?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Ange is way too sensitive to be a top flight coach. In European football that is a major hinderance. Not sure i agree with that. His biggest weakness is his refusal to be tactically flexible and only sticking to one way of playing. Most top European coaches adjust the way they play to the team they are playing, unless you are coaching City, Madrid, Bayern, Barca or Liverpool who are expected to dominate and win every game they play domestic or abroad. He even doubled down on this philosophy with his Maccas quote. This weakness was shown when he coached the Socceroos and even when they were struggling against teams like Thailand, Ange refused to change the system to the more successful 4-3-3 he won the Asian Cup with. ummm... you do know Ange changed the system in the middle of the WCQ campaign, right? Yep, and then stuck to it no matter what even when it was not working. We were more successful with the 4-3-3 (won the asian cup with it) but he refused to revert back to it when we needed to. It would have given him at least 2 tactical set ups People talk about coaches like every decision has to be the right one. Whether you agree with the tactical set up or not, Australia didn't and doesn't have a better coach than Ange and we should have trusted him. Graham is not a better coach than him. Ange quit NT. He wasn’t fired or not trusted Yeah, he quit from the NT he had previously played for, and coached at a world cup quite admirably, and AFTER winning the Asian Cup and struggling to qualify for 2018 with a bunch of donkeys... he quit 2 x weeks after securing qualification despite having a team who would go and embarras tbe whole nation with 1 point and 2 penalties to show for themselves in Russia ......... Sure OK.... So, being one of only three countries to score against France in the World Cup was embarassing? (The other 2 being Argentina, and Croatia.) Being able to take a point off the Danes, a team that drew with both the WC champs and Runners up that year(and is currently 8-0-0 3 years later) is embarassing. pull your head out of your arse.Our hands-down weakest team, that had to work to with a new coach and new system, pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and ensured we weren't embarrassed. Our goal difference of -3 was comparable or better than 7 other teams, that's not to say it's great, but this was one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC Ange is a coward. So Angie struggling to qualify with (in your words) "Our hands-down weakest team" and "one of the worst team's Australia had taken to a WC" was a cowardly failure? But somehow scoring a questionable penalty against France yet losing the game comfortably is some sort of source of pride for you? I guess we want different things out of the team that is supposed to represent all of us. How was that a questionable penalty? It was a blatant handball. Unnecessary? Probably. Lucky? sure. And how did we "lose comfortably" with the winning goal being within a bees dick of the goal-line tech ruling it no-goal? I don't care what anybody says, the performance vs France was top notch. We pressed intelligently and held our shape and thus they were out of ideas for entire match. Would of been a famous point if not for Pogba's lucky winner. Another brave defeat. Aren't you sick of that yet. Those days, for that sort of sentiment, should be long gone. Tell me, was losing to Japan another of those brave defeats that we should be proud of? Ange had one of the lowest success rates of a Socceroos coach, it literally was the epitome of the 'Brave Defeat' He got them to the world cup. Did not get the backing of the ffa, so he preferred to walk. He has achieved more than any other Aus coach. Can't deny it, haters will always exist. You got nothing. I don't think you can just brush off any criticism of Ange as "haters". After the 2015 Asian Cup I saw the man as a fucking GOD. I bought right in to his message about building a dynasty, changing football in Australia etc. I felt, as soon as it became apparent that he wasn't infallible, showing some tactical inflexibility etc, his attitude changed. He wanted to see more football related discussion from fans and the media, yet reacted poorly when that occurred because he didn't agree with what they were saying. Maybe he was right, that the criticism came from people that didn't understand what he was trying to do. So what? That is part of being a football manager. To quote Roy Keane, "that's his job". I did not want him to quit. I wanted him to see out this "dynasty" he was talking about at the World Cup in 2018. I also don't buy the "the FFA didn't back him" argument. The FFA at the time were buffoons no doubt, but they were buffoons when Ange was appointed in 2013 as well and if there is one thing that the FFA generally do well it's spending the required money to make sure the Socceroos squad and staff have every available opportunity for success leading up to and at the wold cup (training facilities, catered flights etc). I genuinely felt stabbed in the heart when he quit. I've since accepted that it was his, and nobody else, decision to make. That doesn't mean I have to like what he did and I certainly don't have to respect him for it. I believe he knew that a 0W 0D 3L cup was a distinct possibility and that would reflect badly on him. I still acknowledge he is Australia's best manager by far and genuinely wish him to succeed at Celtic. Exactly how I feel. Well said. I’ve never taken the time to write a detailed analysis of my thoughts on the end of Postecoglue’s time with the National team, but if I did, it would read pretty similar to that. I don’t buy the “couldn’t handle the press” for a second.
He knew he was about to lose 3 games straight and did what was best for his career at that point. Profoundly disagree with this. Anyone who understands the way he plays football (especially as coach of Oz) would appreciate his determination to succeed as coach / leader of Oz football. Read his book! He wanted only the best for Oz football and took immense pride in his position (and achievements). Can there be anything more fun than going to a World Cup as a player or manager? No-one is going to give that up without a seriously powerful incentive. My own theory (for which I have zero evidence) is that Ange was embittered by the criticism he'd copped and at the same time received an offer he couldn't refuse from the CFG. All of a sudden there was both a carrot and a stick and the man was just exhausted. (I understand also he has a pretty powerful ego which might have helped.) But no way in the world would he have been such a defeatist as to quit because he thought he would lose. In fact, I'm certain we would have done better if Ange had stayed. Just ask Jackson Irvine. Fair enough that we have different opinions and I’ll admit I’ve never read Ange’s book. It would however have been his second WC where he lost all three group games had he stayed and given the performances against Thailand, Syria and Honduras I think he knew it was likely. That is a record to avoid at all costs both in the context of historical Australian coaches and as a coach looking for a job after the WC. I haven’t read any of Irvine’s comments on Ange leaving, but would be interested to. Any links you can share? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VEkZmOezfYJackson Irvine talking about Ange Start at 1:40:00 about. Thanks to both of you.
Who do you think his roommate was that he was talking about, who missed the 2014 and 2018 World Cup? [/quote] Brilliante?
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