thanks man

NSD is supposed to be correctly used in conjunction with pro/rel. NST is just means another level down. No pro/rel.

glad you asked for seeing NST here and there I wondering WTF is this hahaha

Meh don't like your explanation Footyball but lets wait and see.
Sometimes this thread drives me bonkers with all the what ifs and scenarios, can't wait to see some fact asap after the EOI process and confirmation from the FA.
Mind you I expect many of us will moan and groan haha

aha some people 

Aaron, Aaron Mooy...Aaron, Aaron Mooy....

Step away from the pipe my friend

Currently the NPL is considered the National Second Tier.
They use the NST to demonstrate the level, as NPL will become the National Third Tier.

By using NST instead of NSD it obsolves them of the obligation of P/R to the AL.

David spell your name right not Davide!. You single? 

Look out Davide, you seem to have a stalker.

numki, you play with matchbox cars and dolls and have a collection of giraffes? There is nothing wrong with collecting giraffes btw!

I have an idea! Why don’t we select teams for the NSD based on merit? I know it’s crazy but … work out roughly a state mix based on population/participation/strength and then the order you finished in your state league is the order in which you get the opportunity to say “yes” or “no”. Sounds weird eh, that you’d base participation on how good you were at playing football- a bit in-Australian.
These artificial requirements being placed on clubs is just another way to perpetuate that those in charge get to pick their favourites and so avoid the most basic ideal of having the best football teams play at the highest level.

The criteria are to determine who starts, not finishes

EOI Q&A tonight,

wonder what was said?

State mix is an artificial requirement

https://twitter.com/AAFClubs/status/1624698059790905350

35 x club presidents met last night...... :)

Zoom EOI briefing sessiion underway

https://twitter.com/AAFClubs/status/1624999575118557185?s=20&t=ok_D1AdB1BpcYjrh--kVQg

As there is a desire to create pro/rel between the lower tiers (first), there had  better be a third tier or the teams cannot be promoted and also relegated to anywhere.

One thing at a time.

In case this is a serious post,

The NPL is the 3rd tier

Prior to 1977, there existed (at least in Vic) a top tier involving the State League and 4 Divisions below it. All 5 tiers of comps were under the P&R system. So 1 team starting in Division 4 could after 5 years theoretically end up playing in the top flight if they won the title 4 consecutive years in a row.

This worked well as comps immediately above and below each other did not have a massive gulf in standard between them, although between the State League (who were semi professional) and Division 1 there was a bigger difference, albeit not as much as between the A-League and the NPL now. 

To make the P&R system work satisfactorily now, it has to have better equity in standards throughout. The NST is small step that will boost short term interests for a few clubs but not for the majority. Even if it does work, it may not be enough for it to continue, as was the case with the introduction of a break-away league called the NSL.

It is good we are to have a strong 2nd tier, however I wouldn't be popping champagne bottles over P&R just yet. We may never see it in its purist format.

Is there really that much of a disparity between the 16th best team outside of the A-League and the 17th best team? I doubt it.

Let's say NSW ends up with 5 teams in the NSD: APIA, Marconi, Olympic, SUFC and Wollongong. That means that teams like Manly, Rockdale and Blacktown would still be in the NSWPL. I imagine they could all make the step up to an NSD without too much issue.

Same goes with Victoria. After South, Knights, Bergers and Preston (for example), you then have Avondale, Oakleigh, Bentleigh, Hume knocking at the door. Or QLD: any of Pen Power, Lions, City, GCU or Olympic could compete, but only 2 or 3 probably will, the others will have to aim for promotion.

So the transition won't be too much a gulf in class. It could be further smoothed out (eventually) by a third tier divided into north and south conferences.

There is always divide in every comp top to bottom for starters followed by the next level below But the ALM bottom half are not much better than the top half of certain NPL1's as we've seen in the Australia Cup last couple of seasons.
Give the NST a couple of seasons under their belts and their standard will improve for most of them and will compete against ALM Clubs plus IF when a 3rd tier kicks in.

And just like THAT the first benefit to Australian soccer has been ticked off, without a ball even being kicked.

APL scrambling to re-establish the National Youth League before the "effnik hordes" destroy their precious monopoly..... Laughing my ass off at the Trashcan man wanting to be consulted re NST.....

https://www.espn.com/soccer/australian-a-league-men/story/4877039/apl-examining-framework-to-plug-gaping-hole-in-alm-pathways

I really worry your motivations at times.  I'm not sure how you are skewing that story to where you can make any of that statement.

I read it as: The APL are a bit miffed that they are being "left out" of what they see as a major change to the football landscape with the planning of the NST.
They have identified that the youth pathway is lacking (and seemingly that have worked out that it is costing them money).
With the NST competition proposed for March to September there will be a youth development gap that they can fill with a resumption and expansion of their youth league from October to February.

Reading into it, I am guessing that they have suddenly identified that their is a goldmine in contracting promising young players, advancing their careers and on-selling their contracts.  That's sort of a "FMD, at last!" moment right there.  Perhaps they are feeling a little uncomfortable about who will actually own those contracts? Maybe somebody said "why aren't we doing what Joondalup has been doing for decades?"

I can imagine the blank faces and the "what's a Joondalup?" moment.  I can imagine the horror when they realised they can be completely bypassed and the further realisation that there is a burgeoning market coming and they will be the customer and not the seller.

Did I mention that they feel hurt because there is a lack of respect toward their highnesses?

I wonder why they are then fighting tooth and nail against the proposed Domestic Transfer System?  I would argue that there was no "what's a Joondalup?" moment but more along the lines of your second statement about the horror of them realising they WILL be bypassed. 

If the NYL is planned as supplementary to NST then I retract my comments and say good .... but only IF (and its a big IF) the Aleague clubs dont use this as a way to "lock in" youth players to their franchise, loan them out to NST clubs and hope to make a transfer fee in the future without doing any of the "work"....... Maybe Im a bitter jaded fool but this "aha" moment seems to me a way of keeping control of the "talent" rather than wanting to create better outcomes for the national teams...... 

All I read is that they see the hole between Sept/Oct to March.
Yep that where they should re introduce their own YLeague amongst their academies good on them so they should.
Obviously they are puzzled not being involved in the NST EOI but its got nothing to do with them in the first place, sure they may expect some contact and brief but in the end thats up to the FA or APL reaching out.
No diff to them when re instating their own YL through the summer as mentioned, will they consult the FA/NST tom dick and harry so they can understand the process.

It's true there is a gap in the pathway for young players when they are not playing during the a-league season and you cant compromise coaches to force to play more young players in the process so there is a opportunity for some sort of youth or reserve league during the a-league season months to be brought back in.

But the question is why does the APL need consultation with regards to the NSD? The EOI process is already underway so I dont this get this at all and of course it doesnt stop them applying to get in through their reserve or youth teams if they feel if that's a better pathway also.
Unless they are not allowed to? 

EOI specifies that a club must depart their current league if they wish to participate in the NST. So an NPL club can no longer compete in the NPL if they get selected for the NST. An A-League club cannot compete in the A-League if they get selected for the NST.

What about new entity, Melbourne Kicktory

But these are youth or reserves teams here not the senior team that competes in the a-league, they will likely leave the NPL senior competition go into the NSD.

I will be curious to know what will happen when pro-rel happens between a-league and NSD, those youth teams cant get promoted like they do in European leagues.