No look I haven't confused myself with media terminology, after all it was FFA who firstly coined the term International marquee. All the above mentioned clubs had requests approved, to sign the above mentioned players outside the cap as international marquees. Kewell and Emerton spoke for themselves and Smeltz is the most prolific goal scorer the a league has seen.

As far as the A league and FFA are concerned at the time they were international marquees. Harry moved on, Emerton shifted to Australian marquee when ADP arrived and Carle was loaned out and Smeltz is the lone marquee at Perth.

I think you are taking the term international marquee to literally, you don't have to be a foreigner to be an international marquee!

There have been zero public media statements, however there are precedents set- Perth and as mentioned by A16Man Sydney and Melbourne. As I said, clarification of the wording of the marquee law is a club-FFA issue not a fan issue.


The FFA does not require that your second marquee have a non-australian passport. Again, see Sydney and Melbourne.


It's not different, it is the same as it has always been intended. The rule exists to prevent richer clubs buying two overseas marquees, from which there is a larger and arguably better talent pool to choose from, thus gaining an advantage over the poorer clubs (at the expense of Australian players as well.) The ambiguity of the wording of the law lead to confusion on the behalf of Perth, who sought advice from the FFA as to where they stood with regards to wanting smeltz as a non-visa marquee with mile on the books already.

In your reverse hypothetical- nothing changes? I don't see your point. If the club has one Australian marquee, they can recruit a second globally. If the club has one visa marquee they can only recruit an Australian marquee. If the club has two Australian marquees and either leaves they are in situation one, ie: they can recruit globally.

It can be two Australians marquees, Sydney had Carle + Emerton and Melbourne Victory had Kewell + Thompson.

Do you have any reference material to this? Not that I don't believe you it's just that I've only ever seen it as 1+1 marquees and never seen it mentioned or implemented that it can be two Australian marquees.

From what I've read, like Rooster, is that Smeltz could be labelled as an Overseas Marquee because his NZ passport but doesn't count as a visa player in the squad because he has an Australian passport. Thus having signed 5 VISA players last year.

That makes sense to me, so I'm unsure why it's different all of a sudden. Also in your hypothetical, what happens if the player who's been at the club the shortest leaves?

You have confused yourself with media terminology. You have it essentially right in concept but you are labelling players as things they are not- if you have two marquees who are Australian and the one who has been around the longest leaves you can sign a foreign marquee. There is no "shifting" involved, neither Australian player is considered an international marquee (or they would be required to take a visa spot.) Yes they occupy a position that the club could have utilised for an international marquee, but they are not an international player in the eyes of the league. This was only bandied about as a means of conceptualising the marquee system. Glory were concerned about the wording of the marquee rules in this regard but FFA gave them the green light. This discussion should have ended there but it was not communicated properly through the media, possibly due to the clubs/FFA thinking that it is largely irrelevant to the general public.

Put it this way- if a club has a full squad yet doesn't use one of its available visa spots is one of the local players a visa player? Of course not. If any of the local players leave mid season, can the club sign a foreigner? Of course.

Well the club announced him as their international marquee due to Sterjovski being shifted to Australian marquee when Perth signed Fowler. It was the same at Victory with Thompson being the Australian marquee and Kewell the international marquee. Perth waited for confirmstion that they could sign him as their internstional marquee while not taking up a visa spot, before announcing his signing. You are right that you can have two marquees as long as one is Ozzie. He is still technically classed as the international marquee. He can be shifted to Australian marquee should Perth sign an international.

Here's a link to an article at the time of his signing.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/perth-glory-sign-shane-smeltz-on-three-year-deal/story-e6frf4gl-1226041530123#.UdkWO78ayc0

Nope, clarified by the FFA when we got Smeltz- the rule is if a club uses both marquee positions at least one marquee must be Australian. The rule is to promote local talent first, rather than hiring two foreign stars.

Yeah, one is still technically classed as an international marquee. Smeltz was classed as the international marquee due to Sterjovski being the Australian marquee, but was not classed as a visa player!!

Say what? Since when have clubs been allowed 2 Aussie Marquees (aside from Youth)? News to me.

Burns should be Glory's penalty taker, he has proven he is a big game player and calm under pressure! Obviously rates himself enough to take the 5th and deciding pen in a semi final, and took it calm as you like. As captain he should be stepping up and making sure of it!!!

It makes sense with Smeltz being the penalty taker but yeah he isnt that great. Who will take our set pieces with Miller gone? My memory is blank im sure he took the majority?

Happy with McGarry taking them actually.

The good news guys, is that everyday Garcia hasn't signed a contract elsewhere means he could still sign for us :lol:

I don't really have any faith in anyone as a pen taker at Glory at the moment. Smeltz has psyched himself out and just can't deliver anymore. I think, with today, he has missed 4 of the last 5 he has taken? Dodd is the only player on our books currently I'd have any feeling of confidence handing the ball to and he's certainly not going to be taking them this season. It's a mind game, so the kids are generally not the best choice in pressure situations, which leaves Smeltz, McGarry, Burns and Thwaite. I'd have to go with Burns, but without any sense of confidence at all. Maybe Vuka? :lol:

I do recall that. Surely a friendly should be used to boost his confidence though?

Because his last couple of efforts have been pretty bad IIRC. Plus, it's a friendly, give someone else a go?

i'll bite... why wouldn't he and who's a better option?

Why the fuck is Smeltz still taking penalties?

This is the most commonly misunderstood part of the marquee system

AndyToddsElbow is incorrect: Smeltz is a marquee. He is not designated as an international marquee because he is not a visa player. You can have two marquees without an international and if one goes you are not prevented from signing an international.

This was clarified between Glory and the FFA when Smeltz was picked up.

Was not me will definitely check it out.

Got added on twitter the other day by someone who has created a perth glory forum gloryforum.com Was this you in the end?

Looks good but needs numbers.

Is that as in Kwinana amateurs?

Will go down to watch the gozzy game,I'm another from that neck of the woods!

Imo GP, there's a fine line between enthusiasm and delirium.

It's only "ironical" if this squad finishes 4th or higher.

bovs, Smeltz is an international marquee but not a visa player, although since Sterjovski is now gone, it may be possible to move him to the Aussie marquee slot, which is what I presume they were going to do when chasing Beckham/the Kitchen Sink.

None of our youngsters are junior marquees.

Last season we had 5 foreigners - Mehmet, Miller, McGarry, Nagai, VDB. Since 3 of them are gone, that leaves 3 spots that can be taken up. Since we only have 3 spots left now, I don't actually think they will be all used up but it is handed to have a slot free because then they can work around getting a big signing if they want it.

Fuck yes Glory playing Kwinana united in Medina.

Anelka confirmed for West Sydney.

Hey guys... couple of questions on the squad...

I know it comes up every year, but is it right to say Smeltz counts as a local player rather than a Visa player? Also, do we still work on the assumption that Smeltz is a marquee - if so is he a foreign marquee or Australian marquee?

Are any of our players junior marquees?

Are any of our players other than those already shipped out likely to leave? Smeltz would be the only one I think Glory might be actively trying to offload... not sure what his status is though. Thwaite rumours have been floating around all off-season as well.

Other than Smeltz, I presume Nagai and McGarry are the VISA players... does that mean we potentially could have a further TWO foreign players? Possibly with one being a marquee (I note Ambrosini has signed today with Fiorentina ruling him out).



Basically, my fantasy squad for what we could have this season is starting to shape up something like...

--------------------Vukovic---------------------

Risdon---Thwaite---Madaschi/Kisnorbo-----Jamieson

--------------McGarry--------Burns---------------

Garcia---------Aimar/marquee/Visa-----------Nagai

------------------Smeltz/Harold------------------


With that line-up, you'd have Zahra, De Silva, Cernak and Maclaren as attacking back-ups, O'Neill and Edwards into central midfield and Pantelidis, Clisby and the youngsters (Davies and Woodcock) in defence.


I'd probably think another back-up CB, CM and CF (with 1 Visa spot still available) would ne necessary on top of what's there.

But again, irony is, as I discussed - This IS, POTENTIALLY, *Just Quietly* the REAL 'best team' Glory will have had in all their A-League years! Because of that balance and the performance of some of these players back end of this season past.

I don't mean to talk up again, but we can all see it. I don't mean to sound like somebody who hypes and puts them on pedestal to fail - on the contrary. Just the balance of the squad is potentially better, not just positionally, but with age range, versatility, more local lads (than ever), less 'legacy signings'/more 'Edwards signings' and still, that core, pro group of Burns, Thwaite, Vuka, Smeltz, McGarry and co to hold it all together!

But yeah, my expectations are 'really' no different than you lot, 'back up from last season, top six would be fine,' just I read soo optimistic I guess.

Flipside I was soo dour even those hyped up seasons you guys spoke of, due to over reliance on peaked players, squad imbalance (Positionally), and the bad record building up including 'looks good on paper' not on the field-syndrome. Chris Coyne's long term absences (injur and loan red tape) really didn't help things either. That was often with past teams, 100% fit could be a force, but the key players like Sikora, C. Coyne etc... were rarely all there! All the young guys too - Glory were behind the times soo long, all the rivals, league leaders, had the league's best young players, while Glory stubbornly continued to sign peaked 30/31 year olds or even older, including likes of Dodd. But Edwards has pretty much single handedly, changed the whole club's football/recruiting culture - Sage's 'cut backs' or not!

Edwards' teams are actually 'not bad' to watch aswell (Going by late last season)! :cool:


lol This may sum it up.



Edited by GloryPerth: 5/7/2013 02:34:38 AM

Ah yeah, went to school and work there.

It's annoying, It's a shame they couldn't hold it a week later, we've got a bye that day.

Southern River, so I'm just east of you.

Yeah, I'd have a game on too if I hadn't had an ankle op last week :lol:

What area? I'm in Canning Vale.

I wish I could go, but I have a game on :(