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Mister Football wrote:99 Problems wrote:Fredsta wrote:Fuck sake...can we get a separate thread for Mister Football and all the bitter flogs to trash talk crowd numbers so the rest of us don't have to trawl through this petty shit whilst we're trying to discuss the game? This. So fucking much this. Hey - I'm not encouraging the flogs - it's a matter for the moderators to delete posts which are off topic. Yeah I know that, it's just getting frustrating seeing so many people dilute the conversation with spiteful attacks on the game that I wish there was a separate medium for them to post this shit and for you to respond.
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Mister Football wrote:99 Problems wrote:Fredsta wrote:Fuck sake...can we get a separate thread for Mister Football and all the bitter flogs to trash talk crowd numbers so the rest of us don't have to trawl through this petty shit whilst we're trying to discuss the game? This. So fucking much this. Hey - I'm not encouraging the flogs. :^o :^o :^o
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liverpoolfan2010
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How can supporters of the a-league even start to criticize crowd figures ? anyone 2 different sports both have teams on the rise. If WSW didnt have the sucess they had would the crowd be as big probably not. If GWS was finishing in finals would there crowd support be bigger yes probably. Why fight about both sports if you dont like afl dont be jealous just go away its friggen stupid.
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Justafan wrote:Mister Football wrote:Attendances so far in Round 7:
Geelong vs Essendon: 53,014 Port vs Richmond: 25,372 Brisbane vs West Coast: 17,615 Bulldogs vs North: 23,690 Hawthorn vs Sydney: 54,725 Freo vs Collingwood: 37,214
GWS v Adelaide 5,830 Melbourne v GCS 13,304 Melbourne have 31,727 members, yet 60% of them did not turn up today despite this being one of the few chances they had to watch their team win this year (well was not to be). How is that bad thing ? because 60 percent dont show up when playing bad and still get more then most a-league teams look at a-league clubs people dont turn up when they play bad too. Because people pay in afl money for more memberships then a-league fans do ?. Because people in WA will buy Melbourne fc memberships and never probably get to go to a game ? I hope that is the a-league too one day you can fight about all codes all day both have problems and the a-league is a growing program AFL has over 150 years of history im not sure how anyone can compare yet. More trolling i think lol I am an afl and a-league fan and im not letting my blindness for any sport get in the way to realize the AFL is in a position that is alot better then then a-league at the moment but the a-league is growing and i hope it can be as big in the future all this is done on an iphone so if anything is out of place sorry guys cant scroll back up to see Edited by liverpoolfan2010: 13/5/2013 02:42:05 PM
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Mister flogball is hoping the elusive 7 billion crowd and TV mark will be registered for 'the greatest game in the world'
Oh well! You missed
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Fredsta wrote:Mister Football wrote:99 Problems wrote:Fredsta wrote:Fuck sake...can we get a separate thread for Mister Football and all the bitter flogs to trash talk crowd numbers so the rest of us don't have to trawl through this petty shit whilst we're trying to discuss the game? This. So fucking much this. Hey - I'm not encouraging the flogs - it's a matter for the moderators to delete posts which are off topic. Yeah I know that, it's just getting frustrating seeing so many people dilute the conversation with spiteful attacks on the game that I wish there was a separate medium for them to post this shit and for you to respond. I seem to recall you having issues with not wanting to read this thread. I offered to help, and it appears they haven't been resolved. Would you like to take the next step?Edited by Funky Munky: 13/5/2013 04:28:01 PMEdited by Funky Munky: 13/5/2013 04:28:11 PM
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99 Problems wrote:Fredsta wrote:Fuck sake...can we get a separate thread for Mister Football and all the bitter flogs to trash talk crowd numbers so the rest of us don't have to trawl through this petty shit whilst we're trying to discuss the game? This. So fucking much this.
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Justafan
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liverpoolfan2010 wrote:Justafan wrote:Mister Football wrote:Attendances so far in Round 7:
Geelong vs Essendon: 53,014 Port vs Richmond: 25,372 Brisbane vs West Coast: 17,615 Bulldogs vs North: 23,690 Hawthorn vs Sydney: 54,725 Freo vs Collingwood: 37,214
GWS v Adelaide 5,830 Melbourne v GCS 13,304 Melbourne have 31,727 members, yet 60% of them did not turn up today despite this being one of the few chances they had to watch their team win this year (well was not to be). How is that bad thing ? because 60 percent dont show up when playing bad and still get more then most a-league teams look at a-league clubs people dont turn up when they play bad too. Because people pay in afl money for more memberships then a-league fans do ?. Because people in WA will buy Melbourne fc memberships and never probably get to go to a game ? I hope that is the a-league too one day you can fight about all codes all day both have problems and the a-league is a growing program AFL has over 150 years of history im not sure how anyone can compare yet. More trolling i think lol I am an afl and a-league fan and im not letting my blindness for any sport get in the way to realize the AFL is in a position that is alot better then then a-league at the moment but the a-league is growing and i hope it can be as big in the future all this is done on an iphone so if anything is out of place sorry guys cant scroll back up to see Edited by liverpoolfan2010: 13/5/2013 02:42:05 PM Because they will lose in excess of $1.5m this year and that is a unsustainable model. The draft picks have gone to GWS and GCS so they will not improve anytime soon. In fact Melbourne blew there chances with the last lot of picks all duds. The difference between AFL and A-League is that the AFL can continue to bail out these lower performing teams which of course puts them in a better position than the A-League. The AFL has too many teams and is degrading it's product and the bottom 6 clubs are becoming unwatchable even to the diehards. You want all around competitive teams which is the purpose of the AFL model but it is looking like a broken model. This is why the A-League dropped off because of too many teams playing with players not up to A-League standard. It is not a fluke that the standard increased when the teams decreased and a team was put into the right place.
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Mister Football
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If the Demons lose $1 million, that's only 3% of annual turnover, it's next to nothing.
One of the oldest football clubs in the world is currently in a bit of trouble, brought on by its own actions I might add, but on the other hand, it still has decent support for a club that has not won a premiership in nearly 50 years.
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Mister Football
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Two very ordinary games yesterday, yet they got surprisingly good ratings.
The GWS vs Adelaide blow out attracted 152k on Fox.
The Dees vs Suns attracted an extremely good 237k (I actually enjoyed watching the Suns yesterday, although the Demons were weak, played without conviction, and clearly their is a yawning communication gap between the playing group and their coach).
Total ratings for the whole round likely to reach 4.5 million after tonight, which is an excellent result.
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Fredsta
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Mister Football wrote:If the Demons lose $1 million, that's only 3% of annual turnover, it's next to nothing.
One of the oldest football clubs in the world is currently in a bit of trouble, brought on by its own actions I might add, but on the other hand, it still has decent support for a club that has not won a premiership in nearly 50 years. On Melbourne's terrible decision making, have you heard the talk that Demetriou wants the AFL to help convince Paul Roos to take over in some capacity at Melbourne as their player development has been beyond woeful? Roos would be great in helping the football department establish a better player development program but there is only so much one man can do, the whole recruitment department should have been sacked years ago, they've wasted their draft picks and recruited abysmally.
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Mister Football wrote:If the Demons lose $1 million, that's only 3% of annual turnover, it's next to nothing.
Speaking of losses I assume Essendon would be in a very similar situation to the sharks in the NRL as well. Quote:Cronulla Sharks face paying big payouts and compensation payments to any players charged with doping THE impact of the Cronulla doping allegations could be far-reaching for the football club because it faces huge payouts and compensation payments to any players charged with doping. NRL sources claim the club has already spent more than $500,000 on legal fees in an effort to head off the impact of the scandal. The legal advice to the Sharks has been that the financial fall-out will be crippling for a club already on its knees with debt. Any player charged with doping violations is likely to sue the club for a breach in its duty of care and will also be paid out until the end of his contract. That alone could end up costing the Sharks up to $10 million. "Those players will argue they did not know they were taking illegal substances and that the club is culpable," the source told The Daily Telegraph. "The old board could face huge payouts and the club's insurance simply won't cover it." Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar. End of sidebar. Return to start of sidebar. Any players suspended will also have to be replaced. "The Sharks could run into huge payments to a new crop of players just to keep the team running on to the field," the source said. "They also face the prospect of being sued by the bigger-name players for loss of future earnings. "The club's risk management insurance does not cover that contingency." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/cronulla-sharks-face-paying-big-payouts-and-compensation-payments-to-any-players-charged-with-doping/story-fni3gol8-1226640667197
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Mister Football wrote:If the Demons lose $1 million, that's only 3% of annual turnover, it's next to nothing. 3% of their annual turnover, but 300% of their annual profit.
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Fredsta wrote:Mister Football wrote:If the Demons lose $1 million, that's only 3% of annual turnover, it's next to nothing.
One of the oldest football clubs in the world is currently in a bit of trouble, brought on by its own actions I might add, but on the other hand, it still has decent support for a club that has not won a premiership in nearly 50 years. On Melbourne's terrible decision making, have you heard the talk that Demetriou wants the AFL to help convince Paul Roos to take over in some capacity at Melbourne as their player development has been beyond woeful? Roos would be great in helping the football department establish a better player development program but there is only so much one man can do, the whole recruitment department should have been sacked years ago, they've wasted their draft picks and recruited abysmally. Recruitment and player development at Melbourne has been absolutely dire, the evidence is everywhere, a long line of high draft picks who have gone nowhere, meanwhile, Geelong turns low draft picks into AFL ready players. Geelong is one of the most successful teams of the modern era (certainly the best of the past decade), but have never completely bottomed out in the history of the draft.
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afromanGT wrote:Mister Football wrote:If the Demons lose $1 million, that's only 3% of annual turnover, it's next to nothing. 3% of their annual turnover, but 300% of their annual profit. When your annual revenue is around the $32 to $36 mill mark, it's not a big leap to turn a $1 million loss into a small profit in successive years, not that Melbourne is likely to do that in a hurry, but Port has shown this year that things can turnaround very quickly.
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Mister Football
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Attendances for Round 7:
Geelong vs Essendon: 53,014 Port vs Richmond: 25,372 Brisbane vs West Coast: 17,615 Bulldogs vs North: 23,690 Hawthorn vs Sydney: 54,725 Freo vs Collingwood: 37,214 GWS v Adelaide: 5,830 Melbourne v GCS: 13,304 Saints vs Carlton: 34,054
Average for round: 29,424 Average year to date: 34,261
Increase in attendances year to date compared to last season: 57,726
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afromanGT
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Mister Football wrote:afromanGT wrote:Mister Football wrote:If the Demons lose $1 million, that's only 3% of annual turnover, it's next to nothing. 3% of their annual turnover, but 300% of their annual profit. When your annual revenue is around the $32 to $36 mill mark, it's not a big leap to turn a $1 million loss into a small profit in successive years, not that Melbourne is likely to do that in a hurry, but Port has shown this year that things can turnaround very quickly. YEs, but Melbourne aren't Port Adelaide. They're not in a two-team city and they haven't won a premiership in the last decade.
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Quote:GWS v Adelaide: 5,830 Just days after Sheedy talks up the 'strength' of GWS :lol:
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Mister Football
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afromanGT wrote:Mister Football wrote:afromanGT wrote:Mister Football wrote:If the Demons lose $1 million, that's only 3% of annual turnover, it's next to nothing. 3% of their annual turnover, but 300% of their annual profit. When your annual revenue is around the $32 to $36 mill mark, it's not a big leap to turn a $1 million loss into a small profit in successive years, not that Melbourne is likely to do that in a hurry, but Port has shown this year that things can turnaround very quickly. YEs, but Melbourne aren't Port Adelaide. They're not in a two-team city and they haven't won a premiership in the last decade. Melbourne's drought is a long one - most sporting clubs would have folded by now under similar pressures, on the other hand, the Demons' support base is easily as large as Port's.
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AFL ratings for round 7 reached nearly 4.7 million (FTA 5 city metro plus Fox).
Total ratings year to date are at 30.6 million, almost 1 million ahead of the same time last season.
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I think you underestimate the size of Port Adelaide's support around SA and NT.
In losing $1m, Melbourne can just about kiss goodbye their profits for the next two seasons. Which doesn't bode well for their shareholders.
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Mister Football
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afromanGT wrote:I think you underestimate the size of Port Adelaide's support around SA and NT.
In losing $1m, Melbourne can just about kiss goodbye their profits for the next two seasons. Which doesn't bode well for their shareholders. What shareholders?
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afromanGT wrote:I think you underestimate the size of Port Adelaide's support around SA and NT.
You're right - Port has far more supporters than Melbourne (2011 figures): http://www.roymorganonlinestore.com/News/1424---Swans,-Magpies-and-Lions-have-most-supporte.aspx
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Quote:THE AFL has recorded a 400 per cent increase in positive tests for illicit drugs.
Twenty six AFL players tested positive to illicit substances in 2012, a rise from six the previous year.
AFL medical director Dr Peter Harcourt said cocaine was the drug that players most often tested positive for.
Three AFL players are now on their second strike.
The league has also closed the self-reporting loophole, with players now permitted to self-report illicit drug use only once in their career.
There had been fears players were self-reporting drug use repeatedly as a way to dodge drug strikes.
These tests are for illegal drugs such as amphetamines, not performance enhancing drugs.
The AFL is today releasing the latest drug testing results and updating fans on the work of the illicit drugs working group, formed after a summit on February 1 prompted by Collingwood president Gary Pert's warning of "volcanic" behaviour by players.
The contentions three-strikes policy is set to remain but clubs will have more freedom to target test their own players.
The AFL carried out more tests in 2012 - 1979 up from 1489 - but the percentage of failure still increased from .4 per cent to 1.31 per cent.
The failed test percentage is the worst since the second year of testing (2006).
AFL CEO Andrew Demetriou and AFLPA boss Matt Finnis both described the results as disappointing.
"The rise in detections in 2012 reflects both an increase in the number and effectiveness of target tests conducted as well as the well-documented jump in illicit drug availability and use in the broader community,'' Demetriou said.
''The AFL playing group largely falls within the high-risk 18-30 male age group and individual players are not immune to peer group pressure and poor decision making.
"However, the use of illicit drugs in the AFL playing group remains substantially lower compared with the same age group of males in the wider community.''
None of the 26 positive tests in 2012 was recorded on match days.
The AFL announced several changes to its illicit drugs policy today:
- Players will now only be able to self-report illicit drug use once in their AFL career, closing a potential loophole.
- Clubs will be able to request target testing of their players.
- There will be an overall increase in target testing.
- There will also be an increase in hair testing during the off-season, when there is an increased risk of illicit drug use.
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Where's my bitch at???
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Kevin Sheedy
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Pet memberships all around!!!!!!!
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DB-PGFC
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I am probably going to get a bit hate for this but I don't mind the AFL drug system at all.
I also find it quite hilarious when fans will lament the system and support the football drug policy while feeling free to take recreational drugs when they please.
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Out of curiousity, who does everyone on here support?
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Benjo
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KiwiChick1 wrote:Out of curiousity, who does everyone on here support? West Coast Eagles.
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Justafan
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DB-PGFC wrote:Quote:THE AFL has recorded a 400 per cent increase in positive tests for illicit drugs.
Twenty six AFL players tested positive to illicit substances in 2012, a rise from six the previous year.
AFL medical director Dr Peter Harcourt said cocaine was the drug that players most often tested positive for.
Three AFL players are now on their second strike.
The league has also closed the self-reporting loophole, with players now permitted to self-report illicit drug use only once in their career.
There had been fears players were self-reporting drug use repeatedly as a way to dodge drug strikes.
These tests are for illegal drugs such as amphetamines, not performance enhancing drugs.
The AFL is today releasing the latest drug testing results and updating fans on the work of the illicit drugs working group, formed after a summit on February 1 prompted by Collingwood president Gary Pert's warning of "volcanic" behaviour by players.
The contentions three-strikes policy is set to remain but clubs will have more freedom to target test their own players.
The AFL carried out more tests in 2012 - 1979 up from 1489 - but the percentage of failure still increased from .4 per cent to 1.31 per cent.
The failed test percentage is the worst since the second year of testing (2006).
AFL CEO Andrew Demetriou and AFLPA boss Matt Finnis both described the results as disappointing.
"The rise in detections in 2012 reflects both an increase in the number and effectiveness of target tests conducted as well as the well-documented jump in illicit drug availability and use in the broader community,'' Demetriou said.
''The AFL playing group largely falls within the high-risk 18-30 male age group and individual players are not immune to peer group pressure and poor decision making.
"However, the use of illicit drugs in the AFL playing group remains substantially lower compared with the same age group of males in the wider community.''
None of the 26 positive tests in 2012 was recorded on match days.
The AFL announced several changes to its illicit drugs policy today:
- Players will now only be able to self-report illicit drug use once in their AFL career, closing a potential loophole.
- Clubs will be able to request target testing of their players.
- There will be an overall increase in target testing.
- There will also be an increase in hair testing during the off-season, when there is an increased risk of illicit drug use.
MORE TO COME Good to see the message is getting through and yet the AFL still defend the 3 strike policy, start banning players for 1 strike and you might start to see some improvement. Education does not work, if it did no one would take the stuff whether you played AFL or not. Take away their 200k to 400k wages and then the message may get through. It is not good enough just to say well it is a community issue, that is a cop out. It is not just AFL, football, Rugby and the other sports should have a 1 strike and you are out policy, simple then you will see some action. It will not improve when you know your chances of getting caught are already low and then you have 3 chances on top of that. By the way I have always supported North Melbourne, but just have a passing interest these days, as I prefer the A-League and do not like the way AFL has treated football and cannot stand the AFL media (bar a couple such as Caroline Wilson who actually have the guts to say how it is). They play a good brand of honest football and always have, the shinboner spirit, I like that in teams I support.
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