Benny Buckly
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notorganic wrote:Islam is not a race, So why do they do laps of that Saudi stadium ?
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Neanderthal
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sobkowski wrote:No, No & No.
What about the Christians, Jews, hindus, buddhists, jedi's, etc, etc, blah, etc?
I'd prefer to keep football in Australia, secular. Let them conduct their religious business elsewhere.
Yes, there should be an alter for Jews to make animal sacrifices to their god at half time. :lol: I don't see why anyone is bothered by this. It would just be some hidden away room to allow them to participate in the sport without hurting their religious life. If Christians needed a special room for their religion we would get them one too. Does not affect you one bit. Edited by neanderthal: 20/4/2012 01:03:01 PM
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Benny Buckly
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Joe Davola wrote:I'm pretty sure 7th Day Adventists can't indulge in music & dancing, Remind me never to take seriously something you're sure about.
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Gyfox
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RedKat wrote:Heineken wrote:Fuck no. We're not an Islamic state. If you're Muslim, and have to go pray, then so be it, but you find your own secluded area. We're not here to wait on hand and foot for every one of your specific needs. This. We are a secular society and thus have no problem with allowing Christians, Jews, Muslims etc to follow their religions but it does not mean that we should cater for their every need when it affects the Australian way of life. As mean as it sounds, if they don't like it, go to a muslim country that will have this. Yes it may make Muslim fans feel more welcome but it alienates just about every other fan and thus is not something we need to look at or consider Why would it alienate anyone if the bloke next you quietly made his way to a private room and came back some time later. Without wanting to trivialise the issue its probably less interruptive than the blokes who nick off for a piss and come back with a tray of drinks every 10-15 minutes through a game.
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Mister Football
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lukerobinho wrote:Ironic that AFl fans are the most racist bigoted insular c**ts on earth, the way the media try and put on this facade about afl being truly multi cultural and family friendly is laughable that's the myth and yet, there you have it reading these comments you'd almost think it was a transcript of an Alan Jones radio talkback show I'm genuinely surprised I thought you guys were meant to be paragons of inclusiveness, togetherness and civility
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Joe Davola wrote:or is it just AFL grandstanding? Marketing baby, marketing :idea:
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skeptic
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RedKat wrote:Heineken wrote:Fuck no. We're not an Islamic state. If you're Muslim, and have to go pray, then so be it, but you find your own secluded area. We're not here to wait on hand and foot for every one of your specific needs. This. We are a secular society and thus have no problem with allowing Christians, Jews, Muslims etc to follow their religions but it does not mean that we should cater for their every need when it affects the Australian way of life. As mean as it sounds, if they don't like it, go to a muslim country that will have this. Yes it may make Muslim fans feel more welcome but it alienates just about every other fan and thus is not something we need to look at or consider Would you like to qualify how a room set aside for praying effects the Australian way of life and alienates just about every other fan? Please. And would you like to qualify your comments with statement that you are extremely anti Muslim as show by numerous past comments. And that you practice the Jewish faith?
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Mister Football
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don't forget, the rooms are multi-denominational if you're Krishna or a Greenie, you can also go to the room to meditate sometimes one needs a little bit of me-time
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Hutch
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RedKat wrote:it does not mean that we should cater for their every need when it affects the Australian way of life. I'm sorry, but what is the Australian way of life? Can you describe it for me? My understanding would be that anyone who lives in Australia and lives there life is therefore living an Australian way of life. That is going to be different for each and every individual. I still don't see why so many people have got there back up about this. You're not paying for it. It's not going to affect your enjoyment of the game. You are not even going to see it happening. So how the hell does this affect your Australian way of life?
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Joe Davola
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Mister Football wrote: that's the myth and yet, there you have it reading these comments you'd almost think it was a transcript of an Alan Jones radio talkback show I'm genuinely surprised I thought you guys were meant to be paragons of inclusiveness, togetherness and civility
I would equally disagree with having a chapel for Christians to pray on Good Friday if sport is being played, or a room for Jews, etc. It's a sport stadium - you come to watch sport. If you want to pray - go to a designated facility suitable for praying. PS: I once had to attend a wedding during an important football match - I never expected the Church to have a TV room for me to duck out every so often & check the score.
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Axelv
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mcjules wrote:sobkowski wrote:No, No & No.
What about the Christians, Jews, hindus, buddhists, jedi's, etc, etc, blah, etc?
I'd prefer to keep football in Australia, secular. Let them conduct their religious business elsewhere.
"Prayer rooms, for all denominations, have been recently introduced at Etihad Stadium, the MCG and Sydney's ANZ Stadium." You can have Prayer rooms and still be secular. It's not like they're asking everyone to pray before kick off or something. Do those other denominations even need a prayer room? Let's stop painting it over with the broad PC brush and just admit it's being built for Muslims. Secondly, Islam is a religion not a race. You can't be racist against Islam.
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General Ashnak
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Axelv wrote:mcjules wrote:sobkowski wrote:No, No & No.
What about the Christians, Jews, hindus, buddhists, jedi's, etc, etc, blah, etc?
I'd prefer to keep football in Australia, secular. Let them conduct their religious business elsewhere.
"Prayer rooms, for all denominations, have been recently introduced at Etihad Stadium, the MCG and Sydney's ANZ Stadium." You can have Prayer rooms and still be secular. It's not like they're asking everyone to pray before kick off or something. Do those other denominations even need a prayer room? Let's stop painting it over with the broad PC brush and just admit it's being built for Muslims. Secondly, Islam is a religion not a race. You can't be racist against Islam. Then lets just call it xenophobia, the fear of the different.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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Joe Davola
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Mister Football wrote:...sometimes one needs a little bit of me-time It's true - during an AFL match nearly 50% of the time spent at the stadium the game is not being played. And, if you miss a goal in the first 60 minutes of play you know it doesn't matter b/c the winning goal will come in the last 20 minutes of the game. In football, you can't afford to even take a piss during the match. I bet the Chelsea fans, who decided to "beat the 1/2 time queues" by leaving their seats before during stoppage time in the 1st half of their UCL SF against Barcelona, regret that decision. People often pray during a football match - we do it whilst watching the game.
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Posters trying to claim the moral high ground are as bad posters posting 'racist' posts.
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General Ashnak
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kapow! wrote:Posters trying to claim the moral high ground are as bad posters posting 'racist' posts. pot calls kettle black? :lol:
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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Hutch
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General Ashnak wrote:kapow! wrote:Posters trying to claim the moral high ground are as bad posters posting 'racist' posts. pot calls kettle black? :lol: That is so racist of you...
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skeptic
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RedKat wrote:
And i think thats very ant-semitic in a sense to say that because i have said some 'anti-muslim' comments, it must mean that i am a jew.
Hey, you knuckleheaded young prick, i know you're Jewish because i've seen you say so on many occasions. I did not, i repeat for knuckleheads attempting to misconstrue my comment, i did not say because you are anti Muslim it must mean you are Jewish. So don't tell fucking lies, please. Okie dokie?
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skeptic
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kapow! wrote:Posters trying to claim the moral high ground are as bad posters posting 'racist' posts. You dribble so much bullshit down your chin it's stained like nicotine fingers. Edited by skeptic: 20/4/2012 01:19:21 PM
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It's important that Australia keeps it's identity once you start giving leeway to ethnic extremists there's no stopping
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Prayer rooms will not just be for Muslims, but can be for any religion.
If it makes people more comfortable in attending sport, we should be all for it.
Edited by heart_fan: 20/4/2012 01:23:18 PM
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Neanderthal
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SUTHERLANDBEAR wrote:No,no and more no. This is a christian country end of ! Go and and try and find a christian prayer room in a muslin state,even asking can lead to death !They need to pray, do it at home. If this makes me racist, then so be it. Wow. I wasn't aware this was a Christian country. :-k I thought we we're secular, meaning we offer a home to all Australians regardless of their personal beliefs. That's why these rooms are allowed for any religious or other needs. And no, in almost all Muslim states there is a large population of Christians who get by fine aside from one or two countries with totalitarian governments. Heineken wrote:Fuck no. We're not an Islamic state. If you're Muslim, and have to go pray, then so be it, but you find your own secluded area. We're not here to wait on hand and foot for every one of your specific needs. So like... they should go and find a secluded area to pray? like in a room no one is using in the stadium?
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Neanderthal
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lukerobinho wrote:It's important that Australia keeps it's identity once you start giving leeway to ethnic extremists there's no stopping Haha WTF is an ethnic extremist? :lol: Our identity is one that is a home to all Australians regardless of personal belief. Learn to accept it or go live in a Christian state like Ghana. Edited by neanderthal: 20/4/2012 01:31:46 PM
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Neanderthal wrote:SUTHERLANDBEAR wrote:No,no and more no. This is a christian country end of ! Go and and try and find a christian prayer room in a muslin state,even asking can lead to death !They need to pray, do it at home. If this makes me racist, then so be it. Wow. I wasn't aware this was a Christian country. :-k I thought we we're secular, meaning we offer a home to all Australians regardless of their personal beliefs. That's why these rooms are allowed for any religious or other needs. And no, in almost all Muslim states there is a large population of Christians who get by fine aside from one or two countries with totalitarian governments. Heineken wrote:Fuck no. We're not an Islamic state. If you're Muslim, and have to go pray, then so be it, but you find your own secluded area. We're not here to wait on hand and foot for every one of your specific needs. So like... they should go and find a secluded area to pray? like in a room no one is using in the stadium? Actually christian population is hurt hard in mid east millions have left pakistan , hundreds of thousands have left iraq , as soon as mubarak fell from power there was already clashes against christians and there is now fears for the christians in Syria. Millions got kicked out of turkey during world war 1 though atleast turkey is secular now.
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Axelv
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Neanderthal wrote:SUTHERLANDBEAR wrote:No,no and more no. This is a christian country end of ! Go and and try and find a christian prayer room in a muslin state,even asking can lead to death !They need to pray, do it at home. If this makes me racist, then so be it. Wow. I wasn't aware this was a Christian country. :-k I thought we we're secular, meaning we offer a home to all Australians regardless of their personal beliefs. That's why these rooms are allowed for any religious or other needs. And no, in almost all Muslim states there is a large population of Christians who get by fine aside from one or two countries with totalitarian governments.Heineken wrote:Fuck no. We're not an Islamic state. If you're Muslim, and have to go pray, then so be it, but you find your own secluded area. We're not here to wait on hand and foot for every one of your specific needs. So like... they should go and find a secluded area to pray? like in a room no one is using in the stadium? No.....No Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Iran Afghanistan, Morroco, Libya etc etc legal systems are all based on Shariah Law. Thumbs up if you know what Shariah Law is! Edited by Axelv: 20/4/2012 01:48:16 PM
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Saw a prayer room in a sex shop once.  -PB
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skeptic
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RedKat wrote:skeptic wrote:RedKat wrote:
And i think thats very ant-semitic in a sense to say that because i have said some 'anti-muslim' comments, it must mean that i am a jew.
Hey, you knuckleheaded young prick, i know you're Jewish because i've seen you say so on many occasions. I did not, i repeat for knuckleheads attempting to misconstrue my comment, i did not say because you are anti Muslim it must mean you are Jewish. So don't tell fucking lies, please. Okie dokie? ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) Seriously calm down mate. You comment sounded like that. Just relax. And oh yay I have a stalker that could easily be stalking the wrong person. Would love to see your evidence for that. On a serious note thats back on topic, how important is it for Muslim's to pray in a specificially designated room? Like its less than ideal but whats to stop them say, go back out through the ticket booths and praying in there? Or for example moving back into the ground or even praying just where they are quickly. Of course i know little about how a muslim actually prays and what the requirements are for itEdited by RedKat: 20/4/2012 01:33:34 PM You're a lying little prick and burned your bridges. Go away and direct your hatred and jealousy at someone else.
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skeptic
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paulbagzFC wrote:Saw a prayer room in a sex shop once.  -PB It was likely for praying to 'get a bit' of the real thing, like your own motive for praying each night. (sorry, i couldn't help it)
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i dont see the problem with it
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Neanderthal
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RedKat wrote:skeptic wrote:RedKat wrote:
And i think thats very ant-semitic in a sense to say that because i have said some 'anti-muslim' comments, it must mean that i am a jew.
Hey, you knuckleheaded young prick, i know you're Jewish because i've seen you say so on many occasions. I did not, i repeat for knuckleheads attempting to misconstrue my comment, i did not say because you are anti Muslim it must mean you are Jewish. So don't tell fucking lies, please. Okie dokie? ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) Seriously calm down mate. You comment sounded like that. Just relax. And oh yay I have a stalker that could easily be stalking the wrong person. Would love to see your evidence for that. On a serious note thats back on topic, how important is it for Muslim's to pray in a specificially designated room? Like its less than ideal but whats to stop them say, go back out through the ticket booths and praying in there? Or for example moving back into the ground or even praying just where they are quickly. Of course i know little about how a muslim actually prays and what the requirements are for it Edited by RedKat: 20/4/2012 01:33:34 PM *thumbs up* And thankfully since I know what it is I know that it doesn't discriminate against Christians :P In fact it is aloooooot closer to the old testament of the Christian bible than our secular laws are. Anyway, kind of getting sidetracked here. Using the logic that "Muslim countries treat Christians like shit so we should keep it difficult to be a Muslim here" is not great reasoning....
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Davide82 wrote:RedKat wrote:Heineken wrote:Fuck no. We're not an Islamic state. If you're Muslim, and have to go pray, then so be it, but you find your own secluded area. We're not here to wait on hand and foot for every one of your specific needs. This. We are a secular society and thus have no problem with allowing Christians, Jews, Muslims etc to follow their religions but it does not mean that we should cater for their every need when [size=8] it affects the Australian way of life.[/size] As mean as it sounds, if they don't like it, go to a muslim country that will have this. Yes it may make Muslim fans feel more welcome but it alienates just about every other fan and thus is not something we need to look at or consider How in God's name does a small room somewhere in the bows of a stadium effect YOUR way of life????!!!!!!!!!!! +1 Most stadiums have empty rooms doing sweet FA. This also means there is ZERO cost involved to a private or government owned stadium. It does not affect the so-called "Australian Way", which i thought actually meant embracing and tolerating. Who knows anymore. Furthermore, if it gets to a point where we have to renovate an area to accomodate several hundred, maybe several thousand one day... then so be it! That would actually mean: - more people buying match day/season tickets! - better match day experience/atmosphere! - more revenue for the club!
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