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Gyfox wrote:kavorka wrote:takethemickey wrote:RedshirtWilly wrote:Tasmania has gone down a rung in my book, unless Hobart can somehow justify a full season..
Wollongong Canberra Auckland North Queensland Really like this idea. Takes the number of teams to 14 and love the idea of another Perth/Wollongong rivalry. I think the Fury will work if given another chance. Edited by takethemickey: 13/1/2013 12:04:20 PM I do too, especially if this gets built http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/08/27/261391_news.htmlanyone from NQ know what the situation is with this? Is it going ahead? I like Townsville in that it has a booming population....it will reach 200k people this year and overtake Hobart in the next 10 years I really think a 30k seater stadium is way too big for a team based in Townsville but that is an issue with Dairy Farmers anyway. Most certainly an in town stadium gets better patronage than an out of town stadium. wow 30k is huge for a town of just 200k. don't know how i missed that. kinda insane actually. you'd think 20k would be the maximum
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playmaker11
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Haven't heard anything about the stadium lately. 30k is too big even for NRL but I guess it's future-proof. Dairy Farmers only gets close to full when the Cowboys play Brisbane or a finals game.
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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playmaker11 wrote:Haven't heard anything about the stadium lately.
30k is too big even for NRL but I guess it's future-proof. Dairy Farmers only gets close to full when the Cowboys play Brisbane or a finals game. I don't follow the NRL... Do they(NRL) rig the draw AFL-style for bigger crowds? When did the cowboys last host a finals game? Edited by vanbasten88: 13/1/2013 05:27:04 PM
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[quote=vanbasten88] Do they rig the draw AFL-style for bigger crowds? [quote]
Yes they do (It means that the draw is uneven and the AFL controls everything).
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gabgabgab39 wrote:[quote=vanbasten88] Do they rig the draw AFL-style for bigger crowds? [quote]
Yes they do (It means that the draw is uneven and the AFL controls everything). You mean the NRL? If so....we must be the only football code that doesn't rig our fixture for bigger crowds then? Probably helps in the long run for us not to have one city providing lots of teams, a much more even footprint across the nation looks more sustainable IMO.
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We need a Canberra team.
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playmaker11
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vanbasten88 wrote: I don't follow the NRL... Do they rig the draw AFL-style for bigger crowds? When did the cowboys last host a finals game?
Last finals game was 8 September 2012 (saturday night) against Brisbane which drew 21k. That's without a doubt the biggest fixture possible for the Cowboys. DFS holds about 26k. A 25-30k all-seater in the middle of town is probably a good idea.
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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vanbasten88
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playmaker11 wrote:vanbasten88 wrote: I don't follow the NRL... Do they rig the draw AFL-style for bigger crowds? When did the cowboys last host a finals game?
Last finals game was 8 September 2012 (saturday night) against Brisbane which drew 21k. That's without a doubt the biggest fixture possible for the Cowboys. DFS holds about 26k. A 25-30k all-seater in the middle of town is probably a good idea. Cheers. The overwhelming trend in stadia around the globe seems to be to place them as close to downtown as is financially possible. Adelaide Oval games always draw a few more punters through the gate than games at Hindmarsh despite the oval being Shute for viewing.
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vanbasten88 wrote:playmaker11 wrote:vanbasten88 wrote: I don't follow the NRL... Do they rig the draw AFL-style for bigger crowds? When did the cowboys last host a finals game?
Last finals game was 8 September 2012 (saturday night) against Brisbane which drew 21k. That's without a doubt the biggest fixture possible for the Cowboys. DFS holds about 26k. A 25-30k all-seater in the middle of town is probably a good idea. Cheers. The overwhelming trend in stadia around the globe seems to be to place them as close to downtown as is financially possible. Adelaide Oval games always draw a few more punters through the gate than games at Hindmarsh despite the oval being Shute for viewing. That may have had something to do with the club's biggest games being played at Adelaide Oval.
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kavorka
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vanbasten88 wrote:gabgabgab39 wrote:[quote=vanbasten88] Do they rig the draw AFL-style for bigger crowds? [quote]
Yes they do (It means that the draw is uneven and the AFL controls everything). You mean the NRL? If so....we must be the only football code that doesn't rig our fixture for bigger crowds then? Probably helps in the long run for us not to have one city providing lots of teams, a much more even footprint across the nation looks more sustainable IMO. will be interesting how the FFA handles the SBS FTA Friday night game next season. I'm thinking the FFA will try and schedule the biggest drawing (ratings wise) teams to play on Friday night. Friday night games on SBS will be a massive boost to image of the game (if done properly) imho
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Get rid of Heart & Wellington, bring in Wollongong and Canberra.
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kavorka wrote: Friday night games on SBS will be a massive boost to image of the game (if done properly) imho SBS will be able to do for the A-league what it once did for R rated movies.
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Already posted but thought id post it in here. Quote:TASMANIA will host one of the season's most-anticipated A-League matches on Saturday - but it wants more than that in the future. Melbourne Victory and Central Coast Mariners clash at Launceston's Aurora Stadium in a battle between first and third that would be the biggest soccer game played in the state, Football Federation Tasmania chief executive John Boulous said. Victory will play one home game a year in Launceston for at least the next two years and Boulous hopes Football Federation Australia will see fit to send a game a year to Hobart as well. But in the long term, Boulous said the dream for Tasmania was to have an A-League team. "That's the aspiration," Boulous said. "But it's certainly a way off. In talking to the FFA, the league is embedded for a while, but the Tasmanian Government are of a similar opinion to us in that we want to get the local game strong, get a strong relationship with an A-League club - which we have now with Victory - and get a program of games down here so we can help create hype. "Who knows then where we can go from there." Victory will donate $5 of every adult ticket sold and $3 from every concession ticket to the Tasmanian bushfires appeal. "We'd be very hopeful of a crowd around the 6000-7000 mark," Boulous said. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/tasmania-wants-more-a-league-action-in-the-future/story-fndb5nmd-1226549836283 6,238 at Launceston game.
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RedshirtWilly wrote:Tasmania has gone down a rung in my book, unless Hobart can somehow justify a full season..
Wollongong Canberra Auckland North Queensland Pretty harsh. Can you really expect them to get excited about a Melbourne side? No-one can get into that clash. But the lack of rectangular ground is just too much of an issue imo. Maybe in 5 years.
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RedshirtWilly wrote:Tasmania has gone down a rung in my book, unless Hobart can somehow justify a full season.. The only thing Tasmania goes down on is it's siblings.
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paladisious wrote:RedshirtWilly wrote:Tasmania has gone down a rung in my book, unless Hobart can somehow justify a full season.. The only thing Tasmania goes down on is it's siblings.
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paladisious wrote:RedshirtWilly wrote:Tasmania has gone down a rung in my book, unless Hobart can somehow justify a full season.. The only thing Tasmania goes down on is it's siblings. How do you circumcise a Tasmanian boy? ;)
WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!

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13 Wollongong Wolves (2015) 14 Canberra Athletic (2015) 15 North Queensland Fury (2017) 16 Geelong (Ford) Rangers (2017) 17 Auckland City (2019) 18 Gold Coast Red Bulls (2019)
I honestly can’t see Tasmania maintaining a team in the A-league any time soon, Hopefully we will have a 2nd Division up and running by 2020 which would be more suited to a Tassie team
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Roar_Brisbane wrote:The crowd at Tassie isn't going to help them get a team. Congratulation to the idot’s who scheduled an A-League game in Launceston at the same time a Big Bash Game was being played in Hobart Fair Dinkum no idea some people running the game in this country
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greybudgie wrote:Roar_Brisbane wrote:The crowd at Tassie isn't going to help them get a team. Congratulation to the idot’s who scheduled an A-League game in Launceston at the same time a Big Bash Game was being played in Hobart Fair Dinkum no idea some people running the game in this country Ummm... The A-League fixture list was announced 3 weeks before the BBL fixture list. Not really sure that your conclusion is therefore valid. Cue the people who think the BBL was deliberately trying to undermine the A-League. ;)
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Gyfox wrote:greybudgie wrote:Roar_Brisbane wrote:The crowd at Tassie isn't going to help them get a team. Congratulation to the idot’s who scheduled an A-League game in Launceston at the same time a Big Bash Game was being played in Hobart Fair Dinkum no idea some people running the game in this country Ummm... The A-League fixture list was announced 3 weeks before the BBL fixture list. Not really sure that your conclusion is therefore valid. Cue the people who think the BBL was deliberately trying to undermine the A-League. ;) Factor in the BBL and the bushfires and no local team playing...and that crowd looks better and better.
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Just go the whole hog and introduce both Hobart and Launceston at the same time. Tassie Derby baby.
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gul15 wrote:13 Wollongong Wolves (2015) 14 Canberra Athletic (2015) 15 North Queensland Fury (2017) 16 Geelong (Ford) Rangers (2017) 17 Auckland City (2019) 18 Gold Coast Red Bulls (2019)
I honestly can’t see Tasmania maintaining a team in the A-league any time soon, Hopefully we will have a 2nd Division up and running by 2020 which would be more suited to a Tassie team
Tasmania got a better crowd for this week's game than Canberra got for their last A-league game... More than Gold Coast got for the majority of their games, and on a par with many of Fury's "good" crowds.
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Blackmac79 wrote:Just go the whole hog and introduce both Hobart and Launceston at the same time. Tassie Derby baby. We are unlikely to be able to afford one club down here unless the economy improves drastically. Two is completely out of the question. An interesting thing to consider is whether having two teams in the state would actually reduce interest in the League because of the passion that the Tassie shirt brings out. Having two teams might just take the level of interest back to that of the AFL state competition down here. As an example I expect that quite a few fans from the north west would come to a Tasmania United game in Launceston but I wouldn't expect many at all to come to a Launceston Gunners game. Maybe when the state's population is another 200k larger things might be different.
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Gyfox wrote:Blackmac79 wrote:Just go the whole hog and introduce both Hobart and Launceston at the same time. Tassie Derby baby. We are unlikely to be able to afford one club down here unless the economy improves drastically. Two is completely out of the question. An interesting thing to consider is whether having two teams in the state would actually reduce interest in the League because of the passion that the Tassie shirt brings out. Having two teams might just take the level of interest back to that of the AFL state competition down here. As an example I expect that quite a few fans from the north west would come to a Tasmania United game in Launceston but I wouldn't expect many at all to come to a Launceston Gunners game. Maybe when the state's population is another 200k larger things might be different. Thanks for the response. My thinking was it saves on the North/south divide. Also could from the start start a rivalry that could grow quickly and benefit both clubs. I agree that it would be unlikely, and that the passion for a united tassie side would probably be greater. Out of interest would you see many make the trip either north or south for games in the other city? E.g. if they play game alternately between Hobart and Launceston, would you get many travel to watch the games each week?
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Gyfox wrote:Blackmac79 wrote:Just go the whole hog and introduce both Hobart and Launceston at the same time. Tassie Derby baby. We are unlikely to be able to afford one club down here unless the economy improves drastically. Two is completely out of the question. An interesting thing to consider is whether having two teams in the state would actually reduce interest in the League because of the passion that the Tassie shirt brings out. Having two teams might just take the level of interest back to that of the AFL state competition down here. As an example I expect that quite a few fans from the north west would come to a Tasmania United game in Launceston but I wouldn't expect many at all to come to a Launceston Gunners game. Maybe when the state's population is another 200k larger things might be different. Is there any local rivalry between north/south, or one major city and another? Could that be played on?
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Gyfox wrote:greybudgie wrote:Roar_Brisbane wrote:The crowd at Tassie isn't going to help them get a team. Congratulation to the idot’s who scheduled an A-League game in Launceston at the same time a Big Bash Game was being played in Hobart Fair Dinkum no idea some people running the game in this country Ummm... The A-League fixture list was announced 3 weeks before the BBL fixture list. Not really sure that your conclusion is therefore valid. Cue the people who think the BBL was deliberately trying to undermine the A-League. ;) Well once the BBL schedule was released the A- League should have moved the game. My point is a Melbourne team playing up against a local team in the Hurricanes on the same day the most locals would always support the Tasmanian team first. Still the crowd was on par with the Nix crowd yesterday with no real local interest and very little promotion and still way better than most Gold Coast Crowds
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Benjamin wrote:gul15 wrote:13 Wollongong Wolves (2015) 14 Canberra Athletic (2015) 15 North Queensland Fury (2017) 16 Geelong (Ford) Rangers (2017) 17 Auckland City (2019) 18 Gold Coast Red Bulls (2019)
I honestly can’t see Tasmania maintaining a team in the A-league any time soon, Hopefully we will have a 2nd Division up and running by 2020 which would be more suited to a Tassie team
Tasmania got a better crowd for this week's game than Canberra got for their last A-league game... More than Gold Coast got for the majority of their games, and on a par with many of Fury's "good" crowds. Add to that the fact that the game would have made a profit even after the donation of $5 per adult ticket, $3 per concession ticket and $1 per child ticket to the Tasmanian Bushfire Appeal. How many games at other clubs with much bigger attendance don't make a profit? The Tasmania United Business case has games in Launceston making a profit of about $80k on a crowd 1k more than attended this game.
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greybudgie wrote:Gyfox wrote:greybudgie wrote:Roar_Brisbane wrote:The crowd at Tassie isn't going to help them get a team. Congratulation to the idot’s who scheduled an A-League game in Launceston at the same time a Big Bash Game was being played in Hobart Fair Dinkum no idea some people running the game in this country Ummm... The A-League fixture list was announced 3 weeks before the BBL fixture list. Not really sure that your conclusion is therefore valid. Cue the people who think the BBL was deliberately trying to undermine the A-League. ;) Well once the BBL schedule was released the A- League should have moved the game. My point is a Melbourne team playing up against a local team in the Hurricanes on the same day the most locals would always support the Tasmanian team first. Still the crowd was on par with the Nix crowd yesterday with no real local interest and very little promotion and still way better than most Gold Coast Crowds Literally no one from the north of the state supports the Hurricanes. They are a Hobart side. The BBL would have affected some fans traveling from Hobart.
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Benjamin wrote:Gyfox wrote:Blackmac79 wrote:Just go the whole hog and introduce both Hobart and Launceston at the same time. Tassie Derby baby. We are unlikely to be able to afford one club down here unless the economy improves drastically. Two is completely out of the question. An interesting thing to consider is whether having two teams in the state would actually reduce interest in the League because of the passion that the Tassie shirt brings out. Having two teams might just take the level of interest back to that of the AFL state competition down here. As an example I expect that quite a few fans from the north west would come to a Tasmania United game in Launceston but I wouldn't expect many at all to come to a Launceston Gunners game. Maybe when the state's population is another 200k larger things might be different. Is there any local rivalry between north/south, or one major city and another? Could that be played on? That there was my reasoning and point. If from the start and introduction of the team you can play on the rivalry. It could be a greater success than if you introduce one team for the whole lot. Of course the benefit of a team that shares games between north/south, would be that you could sell memberships for both hobart and laun, or just for the single city. increasing revenue that way. Still think that 2 teams averaging 5000, with a cracking derby would be more beneficial to the growth of the league. Key would be stability, but who says that if the salary cap is covered and both teams get decent stadium deals then it wont be a raging success.
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