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Cappuccino wrote:4wanderer4 wrote:Cappuccino wrote:Ipswich for the next expansion side imo. But please can they not be called Western Pride. Horrible Name.
Ipswich City/Rovers/Rangers please Or we could just, you know... ask the supporters what they would like most? :lol: That too. Doesn't mean I can't have preferences. I just really don't want a team called "pride" in the league, we have enough shit names as is. Agreed! I cringe whenever someone suggests Brisbane Strikers, Razorbacks, Cosmos etc. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
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Imonfourfourtwo, can you have a go at a Geelong logo and kits and maybe put a deer or something random in it. I want to tweet it to the major of Geelong see if he likes it maybe something this from the USA  I'm sure you could better that.
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ExpandTheA-League wrote:Imonfourfourtwo, can you have a go at a Geelong logo and kits and maybe put a deer or something random in it. I want to tweet it to the major of Geelong see if he likes it maybe something this from the USA  I'm sure you could better that. I'll support you there! Personally I think it would be cool to name the team something like Barwon City FC, so that it encompasses the whole peninsula. Some coastal dwellers aren't keen on being a part of Geelong, whereas others are. Let's meet halfway and name them Barwon.
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wtf is Barwon? :lol:
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Brisbane Ro wrote:wtf is Barwon? :lol: It's a river that flows through Geelong, and not through most of the other parts of the area. Even if people in a potential Geelong club's catchment area from the Bellarine and outlying areas to Geelong's west don't see themselves as part of Geelong, they're gonna be fully cognisant of the fact that Geelong is the biggest population centre in their area and will support that team regardless of the name. Edited by paladisious: 13/1/2014 06:32:33 PM
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paladisious wrote:Brisbane Ro wrote:wtf is Barwon? :lol: It's a river that flows through Geelong, and not through most of the other parts of the area. Even if people in a potential Geelong club's catchment area from the Bellarine and outlying areas to Geelong's west don't see themselves as part of Geelong, they're gonna be fully cognisant of the fact that Geelong is the biggest population centre in their area and will support that team regardless of the name. Edited by paladisious: 13/1/2014 06:32:33 PM The regions water supply is run by Barwon Water and there is Barwon Health as well so many would identify with the name but I'm not sure that their respective regions cover the whole catchment of a club based in Geelong.
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4wanderer4 wrote:Yes you're right, but I do seem to recall people complaining and thinking both those were grossly underestimated at the time. You're right though my mistake! No dramas :d - as a Glory fan I'd love to one day be able to use the sentence "Perth only got a crowd of 19,902 people to the game". :(
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Gyfox wrote:paladisious wrote:Brisbane Ro wrote:wtf is Barwon? :lol: It's a river that flows through Geelong, and not through most of the other parts of the area. Even if people in a potential Geelong club's catchment area from the Bellarine and outlying areas to Geelong's west don't see themselves as part of Geelong, they're gonna be fully cognisant of the fact that Geelong is the biggest population centre in their area and will support that team regardless of the name. Edited by paladisious: 13/1/2014 06:32:33 PM The regions water supply is run by Barwon Water and there is Barwon Health as well so many would identify with the name but I'm not sure that their respective regions cover the whole catchment of a club based in Geelong. Haha, don't forget Barwon prison! ;) Yeah it probably will end up being called Geelong (if a team ever forms here). I was just trying to think outside the box a little bit to encompass the Bellarine and Surf Coast.
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any big landmarks old building that could be of logo
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Lastbroadcast wrote:Only 180,000 people live in the city of Ipswich. That's nowhere near enough for an expansion. Same does for up in North Queensland.
Remember what Gallop said - they want a team with a potential fanbase of close to 7-figures. That does potentially exist in South East Queensland, but the population is so spread out that it's hard to figure out where exactly to put it. NRL can do it because they can live off the TV ratings.
Perhaps the answer is to give the team an additional identity beyond mere geography. Maybe go down the Wanderers route and make a distinctly working class team (Logan, perhaps?). I also like the military idea. It's not just the City of Ipswich, people need to incorporate the immediate surrounds and region it covers. THEN that's a larger area, growing ever more! Look at the planned suburb of Springfield for instance! This whole area is a rapidly growing corridor between Ipswich and Brisbane/Logan, as part of the wider conurbation in SE QLD! Ipswich = essentially a 'Greater Western/SW Brisbane Metro' team (Incorporating Western parts of Logan and SW fringe of Bris Metro within it's 20-25km radius) and geographically, population distribution and even culturally, including football culture, it well works! 4wanderer4 wrote:Yes you're right, but I do seem to recall people complaining and thinking both those were grossly underestimated at the time. You're right though my mistake! This only re-inforces how Roar's crowds DID improve with a 'local rival', even in the more 'lean' and/or '2011 flood troubled' times! The only issue was the rival's own poor crowds and even worse administration! The Roar would be ACHING for another local rival again and while Fury would be nice (And if they're re-admitted first, then all good!), an Ipswich/Greater SW area team could be the jackpot with the myriad of factors in it's favour. There's a mini Wanderers-esque feel to it's blueprint that I discovered when looking into the Ipswich football history. Hopefully through the Ipswich Knights, Western Pride etc... the culture and demand for a team/rival out there builds, as the potential is stronger there than it ever was on the GC, I believe? Edited by GloryPerth: 13/1/2014 10:11:10 PM
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ExpandTheA-League wrote:any big landmarks old building that could be of logo An outline of Geelong's picturesque refinery would be most appropriate I think. But more seriously maybe Cunningham Pier? It has a kinda Crystal Palace feel about it (on a much much smaller scale of course).
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ExpandTheA-League wrote:any big landmarks old building that could be of logo Nah, nothing that comes to mind. I'd go for something similar to what the Mariners have, as Geelong is mostly a bay city.
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GloryPerth wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:Only 180,000 people live in the city of Ipswich. That's nowhere near enough for an expansion. Same does for up in North Queensland.
Remember what Gallop said - they want a team with a potential fanbase of close to 7-figures. That does potentially exist in South East Queensland, but the population is so spread out that it's hard to figure out where exactly to put it. NRL can do it because they can live off the TV ratings.
Perhaps the answer is to give the team an additional identity beyond mere geography. Maybe go down the Wanderers route and make a distinctly working class team (Logan, perhaps?). I also like the military idea. It's not just the City of Ipswich, people need to incorporate the immediate surrounds and region it covers. THEN that's a larger area, growing ever more! Look at the planned suburb of Springfield for instance! This whole area is a rapidly growing corridor between Ipswich and Brisbane/Logan, as part of the wider conurbation in SE QLD! Ipswich = essentially a 'Greater Western/SW Brisbane Metro' team (Incorporating Western parts of Logan and SW fringe of Bris Metro within it's 20-25km radius) and geographically, population distribution and even culturally, including football culture, it well works! Even if you leave all of Logan out of it the current population of the 4 LGA's in the region is 282k and it will be growing at 5% pa until 2021 and 4.9% pa from 2021 to 2031. An hour or so west is the Toowoomba region which currently has a population of 160k and will be 250k by 2031.
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I really have no idea what you would call a team playing out of Ipswich, but also looking to incorporate surrounds as far as Toowoomba and the Darling Downs.
As corny as it sounds, I think Western Pride would actually be a great name, and get buy in from the whole area. But as Benjamin said, its probably not regionally identifiable enough for FFA. Western Pride of Queensland? :?
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Gyfox wrote:GloryPerth wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:Only 180,000 people live in the city of Ipswich. That's nowhere near enough for an expansion. Same does for up in North Queensland.
Remember what Gallop said - they want a team with a potential fanbase of close to 7-figures. That does potentially exist in South East Queensland, but the population is so spread out that it's hard to figure out where exactly to put it. NRL can do it because they can live off the TV ratings.
Perhaps the answer is to give the team an additional identity beyond mere geography. Maybe go down the Wanderers route and make a distinctly working class team (Logan, perhaps?). I also like the military idea. It's not just the City of Ipswich, people need to incorporate the immediate surrounds and region it covers. THEN that's a larger area, growing ever more! Look at the planned suburb of Springfield for instance! This whole area is a rapidly growing corridor between Ipswich and Brisbane/Logan, as part of the wider conurbation in SE QLD! Ipswich = essentially a 'Greater Western/SW Brisbane Metro' team (Incorporating Western parts of Logan and SW fringe of Bris Metro within it's 20-25km radius) and geographically, population distribution and even culturally, including football culture, it well works! Even if you leave all of Logan out of it the current population of the 4 LGA's in the region is 282k and it will be growing at 5% pa until 2021 and 4.9% pa from 2021 to 2031. An hour or so west is the Toowoomba region which currently has a population of 160k and will be 250k by 2031. Cool, that includes Springfield within the City of Ipswich, projected to grow by 60-70k in that period? Anyway, yeah, in relative terms, it's not huge, but the club could equal a nice Mariners-level club with the added boost of a direct/intra-city rival? And like SFC-WSW, the addition of the club could boost both teams? :-k The Ipswich region we discuss is bigger than Townsville's too, which if re-included would once again become the smallest region in the A-League. FTR Though I would prefer BOTH in the A-League - so three QLD teams back in the A-League, along with Canberra and Wollongong? Geelong, Tassie, Gold Coast, Darwin, Sunshine Coast, Cairns, LaTrobe Valley/Gippsland and possibly others for a new, small, Second Tier? One day we dream of limited, 1 team in and out, SPL or Bundesliga-style, P/R? If the Second Tier is strong enough, then it shouldn't be a problem. That's quite a long way off though and takes some cultural evolution/change in-between. Brisbane Ro wrote:I really have no idea what you would call a team playing out of Ipswich, but also looking to incorporate surrounds as far as Toowoomba and the Darling Downs.
As corny as it sounds, I think Western Pride would actually be a great name, and get buy in from the whole area. But as Benjamin said, its probably not regionally identifiable enough for FFA. Western Pride of Queensland? Confused To be honest, that's the extremities of it's fringes - It's wider service area COULD service Toowoomba aka North Ipswich Reserve-based Ipswich equals a closer A-L team to their locale, than Suncorp-based Roar? But granted, it's not it's immediate catchment and not too many fans would be expected to come from there. As Benjamin reminded us - A team requires (rightly) a geographic indicator in there and as the Wanderers set up re-emphasised via the fan forums - the fans DEMAND that, with (ironically) PRIDE. The failed Sydney Rovers dropped the 'West' from the name, a controversial move that many potential punter did not like! To be really honest it IS about the immediate surrounds of 200-250k folk in City of Ipswich and the immediate fringe radius and tapping into them and their sense of identity is key, ala Wanderers blueprint. There is a strong football culture there and building a strong team there builds a strong local presence which ironically would 'grow out' in it's appeal over time, as Wanderers have (How many Wanderers bandwagoners are from all over the country?! Like Lucy Zelic from Canberra :p)! Edited by GloryPerth: 13/1/2014 10:49:07 PM
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imonfourfourtwo wrote: An outline of Geelong's picturesque refinery would be most appropriate I think.
But more seriously maybe Cunningham Pier? It has a kinda Crystal Palace feel about it (on a much much smaller scale of course).
Ah alright then well then well my thoughts would have to go back to something like an animal or just being called City which isn't exciting
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@ GloryPerth
Yes it includes Springfield. From recollection Ipswich itself will have a population of 290k by 2021 out of 420k in the region and 460k out of 620k by 2031. It currently has the 6 fastest growing suburbs in Brisbane and 8 of the top 10 when measured by capital growth.
The reason I included Toowoomba is that it currently has 3.2k registered players so its a source of interest and players for a western Brisbane club that is only an hour or so drive away.
Edited by gyfox: 13/1/2014 11:06:07 PM
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Gyfox wrote:@ GloryPerth
Yes it includes Springfield. From recollection Ipswich itself will have a population of 290k by 2021 out of 420k in the region and 460k out of 620k by 2031. It currently has the 6 fastest growing suburbs in Brisbane and 8 of the top 10 when measured by capital growth.
The reason I included Toowoomba is that it currently has 3.2k registered players so its a source of interest and players for a western Brisbane club that is only an hour or so drive away.
Edited by gyfox: 13/1/2014 11:06:07 PM Shouldn't Perth have a second team then they are expected to surpass Brisbane in 10 years
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ExpandTheA-League wrote:Gyfox wrote:@ GloryPerth
Yes it includes Springfield. From recollection Ipswich itself will have a population of 290k by 2021 out of 420k in the region and 460k out of 620k by 2031. It currently has the 6 fastest growing suburbs in Brisbane and 8 of the top 10 when measured by capital growth.
The reason I included Toowoomba is that it currently has 3.2k registered players so its a source of interest and players for a western Brisbane club that is only an hour or so drive away.
Edited by gyfox: 13/1/2014 11:06:07 PM Shouldn't Perth have a second team then they are expected to surpass Brisbane in 10 years Perth just isn't a football town yet. AFL is absolutely dominant. Glory average around 9k, they've never gotten above 10k iirc. Brisbane average 16-17k and are really building something. Ipswich is also far enough removed to be able to easily establish another well-supported club. I can't see Perth having two teams for a long time, if ever.
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ExpandTheA-League wrote:Gyfox wrote:@ GloryPerth
Yes it includes Springfield. From recollection Ipswich itself will have a population of 290k by 2021 out of 420k in the region and 460k out of 620k by 2031. It currently has the 6 fastest growing suburbs in Brisbane and 8 of the top 10 when measured by capital growth.
The reason I included Toowoomba is that it currently has 3.2k registered players so its a source of interest and players for a western Brisbane club that is only an hour or so drive away.
Edited by gyfox: 13/1/2014 11:06:07 PM Shouldn't Perth have a second team then they are expected to surpass Brisbane in 10 years It would be great if Perth Glory started covering its costs.
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Yeah see your point guys but I still don't understand how people are so into aussie rules only one nation (kinda just bottom half)plays it, its not a international sport. We are mini Americans must be best at our own sport and one only a few nations play well(AFL-League to USA Gridiron-Baseball)
We make a sport and its closest sport in similarity is Gealic which is amature.
And we try and drown the other sports which matter on the world stage (football, Union, Basketball, hockey(grass)and all olympic sports) cricket not drown out unless you can't win
(soz guys I'm having a big rant day)
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Can't help but agree. Glory have alot to do for the A-League to consider a second team in that market. Possibly a Mandurah team in the second tier would be an option, but I'd leave it at that - till the Mandurah/Rockingham and even Bunbury region further south grows, for the fledgling B/2nd Tier club to have sufficient growth and ambitions to elevate to the top league. As I suggest, for the quite well centrally planned Perth, Mandurah is both the sufficiently decent sized Satellite centre, far enough away from Perth Oval/nib, and servicing a growing area/region. Right now it's just less than 120k, the collective wider region, but growth will increase that.
But again, many, many not only better, more appropriate, candidates in-front, but arguably some of these candidates are even strong 'demand-wise' for a team, so 'demand' for the 'supply' is greater. Fury is a good case, Ipswich's demand may grow, Canberra has very strong demand for a team and the 'gong has a strong football culture. Even Tassie deserves a team at some level, as too Geelong at some point.
But what level teams these markets can sustain - Are they A-League capable, or just more Second Tier? Canberra, Wollongong, Fury and Ipswich are all well A-League capable and even deserving I think. By capable - capable of sustaining a team, a market that has the capacity to do so.
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Youth league quality and then have the a-league quality team enter the next season or two. basically training up more youth players for the first team (i wouldn't bring in Pro/rel for at least 5 years after we hit 16 teams unless there in promotion but not Relegation (like the MLS currently they play them in NASL then once ready throw them in to the top flight) if they have the backers.
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Also has anybody tried a redesign Canberra United and its logo?
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Quote:Malaysia U23s join NPLQ MALAYSIA will field an national Under 23 team in this year's senior men's National Premier Leagues Queensland competition in a revolutionary new first for football in Australia. The Malaysian Under 23 side, known as Harimau Muda 'A', will become the first international representative team to compete in an Australian football league when they take to the field in early March. FAM General Secretary, Dato' Hamidin Bin Haji Mohd Amin, and Harimau Muda 'A' head coach Datuk Ong Kim Swee were joined by Football Queensland executives in Brisbane on Tuesday to formally announce the team's participation in the 2014 competition. Football Queensland Chief Operating Officer Ben Mannion said the announcement continued the growth of the NPL model in Queensland, which is the state's elite competition below the A-League and commenced in 2013. “One of the keys to rapid growth of Football in any country is for its clubs, coaches and players to gain exposure to new methods and ideas via international competition,” Mannion said. “Building a strong relationship with FAM and Asia is an important step in providing this development opportunity to our youth and coaches as well as showcasing their talents to an international audience”. Football Queensland Chief Executive Officer Geoff Foster said he was delighted that this relationship was possible after just one season of the National Premier Leagues competition in Queensland. “The opportunity for our junior players and coaches to view the different styles, philosophies, tactics and techniques that this national team will employ will provide the whole Queensland football community with an otherwise inaccessible experience.” Foster said. The announcement comes following negotiations between FAM and Football Queensland that commenced after a successful tour of the state by the Malaysian Under 23 team in 2012. While Harimau Muda 'A' have not been granted a full NPL license, they will compete under a Memorandum of Understanding between FAM and Football Queensland. Fixtures will be played for competition points, however the team will not be eligible to compete in the NPL Finals Series nor the FFA Cup. The inclusion of the Malaysian Under 23's comes eight years after Football Federation Australia joined the Asian Football Confederation and one year out from 2015 AFC Asian Cup, which features Brisbane as one of five Australian host cities. Their addition takes NPL Queensland to 14 teams for the 2014 season following last week's confirmation that Brisbane Roar will field their National Youth League team in the senior division this year. Read more at http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/malaysia-u23s-join-nplq#HEwSvK5ZDvvC7CsA.99 I fear they might of been serious when talking up an Asian A-league team... As for Ipswich, it's still part of Brisbane Metro right? Why not call it Western Brisbane and target the western suburbs/ipswich Edited by iridium1010: 15/1/2014 05:52:37 PM
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Iridium1010 wrote:
I fear they might of been serious when talking up an Asian A-league team...
Fuck this just cannot happen. Football is doing so well in this country, we have a fantastic league, we don't need the FFA to fuck it up by entirely breaking football convention and ruining the fantastic package that is the A-League.
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Cappuccino wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:
I fear they might of been serious when talking up an Asian A-league team...
Fuck this just cannot happen. Football is doing so well in this country, we have a fantastic league, we don't need the FFA to fuck it up by entirely breaking football convention and ruining the fantastic package that is the A-League. I know it might not be a popular decision, but I can't help but think you might be somewhat overstating the potential impact...
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paladisious wrote:Cappuccino wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:
I fear they might of been serious when talking up an Asian A-league team...
Fuck this just cannot happen. Football is doing so well in this country, we have a fantastic league, we don't need the FFA to fuck it up by entirely breaking football convention and ruining the fantastic package that is the A-League. I know it might not be a popular decision, but I can't help but think you might be somewhat overstating the potential impact... and you are all overstating the chances of such a team being brought in.
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Iridium1010 wrote:As for Ipswich, it's still part of Brisbane Metro right? Why not call it Western Brisbane and target the western suburbs/ipswich A lot of what is commonly referred to as "west" Brisbane is traditionally well-to-do suburbs. Ipswich is not really seen as western Brisbane, its more south-west, and is traditionally a redneck bogan paradise. Worlds apart. Few from the "western" suburbs of Brisbane would support an Ipswich team. Not sure the name/s "South-West(ern) Brisbane" would really resonate with anyone either.
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Brisbane Ro wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:As for Ipswich, it's still part of Brisbane Metro right? Why not call it Western Brisbane and target the western suburbs/ipswich A lot of what is commonly referred to as "west" Brisbane is traditionally well-to-do suburbs. Ipswich is not really seen as western Brisbane, its more south-west, and is traditionally a redneck bogan paradise. Worlds apart. Few from the "western" suburbs of Brisbane would support an Ipswich team. Not sure the name/s "South-West(ern) Brisbane" would really resonate with anyone either. Ipswich town :-"
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