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Carlito
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Thats not justice. The death penalty is a travisty. It doesnt deter anything. It doesnt bring back the love ones who got murdered .
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rusty
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The Maco wrote:TLDR not sure if anyone has mentioned that the most severe form of punishment in any culture/time period is life in isolation, not exile not death but locking someone in a room and throwing the key away
Its a very grey area calling isolation imprisonment humane but a death sentence inhumane I'd favour life in solitary perhaps even above death for the absolute worst offenders, how anyone can argue that someone who deliberately takes away the life of another person isn't worthy of being locked in small box for the rest of their life.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Thats not justice. The death penalty is a travisty. It doesnt deter anything. It doesnt bring back the love ones who got murdered . Neither does prison. Death penalty is fair call for some heinous, reprehensible crimes. Prison is a travesty for those who willingly commit murders. Their victims and families destroyed while they get to live it up on prison being "rehabilitated " by playing pool, poker and watching tele, looking forward to their parole date. Is that fair?
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Its not that cut and dry rusty. No it isn't, which is why capital punishment should be left open for discussion in Australia, rather than ruling a line through it completely.
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Carlito
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rusty wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Thats not justice. The death penalty is a travisty. It doesnt deter anything. It doesnt bring back the love ones who got murdered . Neither does prison. Death penalty is fair call for some heinous, reprehensible crimes. Prison is a travesty for those who willingly commit murders. Their victims and families destroyed while they get to live it up on prison being "rehabilitated " by playing pool, poker and watching tele, looking forward to their parole date. Is that fair? trust me on this . I dont want the death penalty . It is not justice at all. Hell would I want the death penalty on the person who murdered my father ? No I dont as that wont bring him back. Also I stopped reading when you said pool and tv. Never ever belive what you read or hear.
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rusty
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:rusty wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Thats not justice. The death penalty is a travisty. It doesnt deter anything. It doesnt bring back the love ones who got murdered . Neither does prison. Death penalty is fair call for some heinous, reprehensible crimes. Prison is a travesty for those who willingly commit murders. Their victims and families destroyed while they get to live it up on prison being "rehabilitated " by playing pool, poker and watching tele, looking forward to their parole date. Is that fair? trust me on this . I dont want the death penalty . It is not justice at all. Hell would I want the death penalty on the person who murdered my father ? No I dont as that wont bring him back. Also I stopped reading when you said pool and tv. Never ever belive what you read or hear. What about the stuff you see on Tv? If someone murdered someone in my family I wouldn't want them to have the privilege of breathing. It's not like an angry grrrrr kind of revenge, with lynch mobs and electric chairs, it's just about bringing a kind of closure and a sense that justice was achieved.
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rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:Heaven forbid that we expect the state to be a model citizen and therefore be better than a criminal that commits murder :roll: The difference is the murderer is guilty while their victim isn't I'm glad you got an audience for your rubbish. Revel in it.
Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here
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Carlito
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rusty wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:rusty wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Thats not justice. The death penalty is a travisty. It doesnt deter anything. It doesnt bring back the love ones who got murdered . Neither does prison. Death penalty is fair call for some heinous, reprehensible crimes. Prison is a travesty for those who willingly commit murders. Their victims and families destroyed while they get to live it up on prison being "rehabilitated " by playing pool, poker and watching tele, looking forward to their parole date. Is that fair? trust me on this . I dont want the death penalty . It is not justice at all. Hell would I want the death penalty on the person who murdered my father ? No I dont as that wont bring him back. Also I stopped reading when you said pool and tv. Never ever belive what you read or hear. What about the stuff you see on Tv? If someone murdered someone in my family I wouldn't want them to have the privilege of breathing. It's not like an angry grrrrr kind of revenge, with lynch mobs and electric chairs, it's just about bringing a kind of closure and a sense that justice was achieved. again dont belive everything you read or see or hear . Prison isnt like that at all . Also I dont want you to ever feel the pain and suffering I have to deal with from someone you hold dearly getting taken away from you heniously. The death penalty wont ever bring your love one back. The murderers family will also lose someone they love.
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TheSelectFew wrote:benelsmore wrote:u4486662 wrote:benelsmore wrote:u4486662 wrote:There are many instances around the world where the punishment does not fit the crime.
Some examples would be:
Women being stoned for adultery
Iran publicly hanging homosexuals
drug smugglers being shot
We also have a very primitive view of how bad a crime drug smuggling is. Drug smuggling is a victimless crime. Drug addicts are responsible for their own drug use and addiction. It is a complete fallacy to suggest that smugglers are "responsible for the deaths of drug addicts"
Its akin to suggesting that an insider trader is responsible for the suicide of one of their "victims." Drug smuggling is about as bad a crime as insider trading.
Now, before everyone loses their mind, its so bleedingly obvious that drug problems in society are not created by drug dealers and drug smugglers but instead are created by social problems such as child abuse, neglect, personality disorders, poverty, disadvantage etc. Maybe Indonesia needs to be educated as to what the real cause of drug problems are.
Also, Joko Widodo is such a complete imbecile. Surely he should recognise that it would be a good idea to keep Australia on side rather than this sideshow that this execution is becoming and a show of pathetic nationalism. Their laws are still their laws and were known to the Bali 9 before they were caught. If people don't like Indonesian law, it's best not to break it. In Australia we also have laws but the other way around. Where wilfully stupid crimes like burglary are met with fines/suspended sentences. In Iran homosexuality is a crime punishable by death. Adultery is also a crime punishable by death in Somalia and other countries. In North korea, your family will be captured and sent to evil labour camps if you leave the country. Some countries laws are so unacceptable that I don't respect them. They probably think some of ours are too (not that I disagree with your examples). However, does our contempt for their laws mean these two should be excused from being punished by the laws of the land? I mean if I was a gay man i'd stay away from Uganda et al. If I was a drug smuggler i'd stay away from Singapore/Thailand/Malaysia/Indonesia. It's really not rocket science. Yet our idiot politicians are holding candlelight vigils for these guys. Does being a gay in Uganda provide you with financial opportunity? Can you be roped into being a gay by coercion and manipulation? Stop making stupid comparisons that make you look fucking retarded. This takes the cake for the most moronic thing i've ever seen.
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u4486662 wrote:Revenge or retribution as a motivation for punishment is very bad.
The role of the prison system is to protect the public first, to rehabilitate the offender second and to act as a deterrent third. It is in our country and many others. I wonder what the official stance from Indonesia is. My thoughts are that they see the death penalty as a deterrent.
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If there is a philosophical aspect to this whole story
That is the ring leaders have been extending their lives purely by constantly appealing
Its not the way to go, but the situation of appealing just to live longer is an interesting insight into the human condition / experience
Granted, the death penalty is a rather barbarous concept in this day and age, but still...
ps - Its odd how a website like news.com.au glorify criminals / criminality - ie hot guy mugshot :-k
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Either way at the end of this it will be interesting to see how the drug trade goes in Indonesia
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I think that this circus is showing contempt for the lives of these two blokes.
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death penalty is harsh yes....but had they not being caught the question needs to be asked would they still be doing what they did before they were caught ?...i seriously doubt it
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SocaWho wrote:death penalty is harsh yes....but had they not being caught the question needs to be asked would they still be doing what they did before they were caught ?...i seriously doubt it That's the point of rehabilitation. To reform criminals such that they can return and contribute to society.
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rusty wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:rusty wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Thats not justice. The death penalty is a travisty. It doesnt deter anything. It doesnt bring back the love ones who got murdered . Neither does prison. Death penalty is fair call for some heinous, reprehensible crimes. Prison is a travesty for those who willingly commit murders. Their victims and families destroyed while they get to live it up on prison being "rehabilitated " by playing pool, poker and watching tele, looking forward to their parole date. Is that fair? trust me on this . I dont want the death penalty . It is not justice at all. Hell would I want the death penalty on the person who murdered my father ? No I dont as that wont bring him back. Also I stopped reading when you said pool and tv. Never ever belive what you read or hear. What about the stuff you see on Tv? If someone murdered someone in my family I wouldn't want them to have the privilege of breathing. It's not like an angry grrrrr kind of revenge, with lynch mobs and electric chairs, it's just about bringing a kind of closure and a sense that justice was achieved. Fortunately in Civilisation justice is meted out by an independent system based on written law, and not by the victim's family, so the point is moot.
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Has there been discussion in this thread yet about the two Indonesian murderers on death row in Saudi Arabia? One got executed the other day and they kicked up a stink.
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Well, they shot them.
Looking forward to the news in the morning that Indonesia's drug problem is 100% solved.
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paladisious wrote:Well, they shot them.
Looking forward to the news in the morning that Indonesia's drug problem is 100% solved. Their drug problem is probably about as good as their foreign policy with Australia.
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Carlito
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I dont condone what those two did. But an eye for a eye doesnt solve anything. I abhor the death penalty as it doesnt solve anything . Hell as a son who lost my father to murder I feel even more convinced that the death penalty should he abolished. It scares me to think that they are some people who think death will help stopping the problem when in fact the opposite occurs.
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Death penalty for drug trafficking is ludicrous but these guys must have known the risk.
You can't visit a foreign country and shit over their system regardless of how retarded it might be. I feel for their families, they have to live with the pain for the rest of their lives.
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Well there you go all done and dusted as of early this morning..........
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:I dont condone what those two did. But an eye for a eye doesnt solve anything. I abhor the death penalty as it doesnt solve anything . Hell as a son who lost my father to murder I feel even more convinced that the death penalty should he abolished. It scares me to think that they are some people who think death will help stopping the problem when in fact the opposite occurs. Don't know so much about indo law but surely this is linked to their faith? I disagree with the thinking that they should have not been killed because they were Australian. This would have been a mess for cases in the future. They have carried out the punishment for the crime in that country.
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meanwhile indo are appealing for withdrawal of the death penalty applied to their own citizens in other countries.
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the games governments play with peoples lives...
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paladisious wrote:
Looking forward to the news in the morning that Indonesia's drug problem is 100% solved.
Yeh, thats what Apu said on the Simpsons, when Marge got sent off to prison for shoplifting; before Snake drove off with the Kwik E Mart on the back of a truck :-k Drug smuggling, just like life, will go on Just without the two smugglers; there'll even be an AFL Grand final this year But seriously, in the long run this will prove the death penalty will not deter drug smuggling, it also proves that its the big wheels in the business of the drug trade run the show, whereas the smugglers (that get caught) cop the blame
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Heroin kills yet so many people take it everyday.
Drug smugglers in some countries get the death sentence, yet everyday there are new drug smugglers.
Very sad day.
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notorganic wrote:States shouldn't be killing anyone. And people should smuggle drugs. Just because one shouldn't doesn't mean one will not.
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Unfortunately for the families of the now deceased, they only have their love one to blame. Everyone knows what the penalty in Indonesia for drug smuggling related crimes yet they went ahead with their illegal actions.
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Colin wrote:433 wrote:No government should have the right to take someone's life. I am of the belief that there are some crimes that deserve the death penalty. In no particular order: 1. Rapist (In particular, offences committed to children. Anyone who touches a defenseless kid does not deserve to walk this earth) 2. Murder (I am an eye for an eye kind of guy when it comes to murder) 3. Terrorist's There should also be mandatory life sentences for the following: 1. Manslaughter 2. Drug Dealing/Trafficking3. Kidnapping Sentencing in Australia is way too soft for my liking. And yet drugs can/do kill more people then say a spouse killing ones spouse in a fit of rage. Edited by BrisbaneBhoy: 29/4/2015 09:26:22 AM
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