Agree, and yet others scoff at it in its entirety.

Need more education and rehabilitation for potential users.

Cut the head of the snake before it grows old enough to be a problem.

-PB

Perhaps he's a bit older and wiser. These guys don't use their real names either I assume for "security reasons" and also maybe because of workplace policy.

Exactly.

I know their are cops who think like that m what im saying majority wont post it up on facebook . Hell my mates dad's a cop and he knows he cant post shit like that especilly since his superiors are reading it.

1. Stop a smuggled shipment of drugs
2. increase the scarcity
3. potentially lower the quality
4. drive up prices
5. increase the desperation of addicts

Wonder what the outcome of that would be? :-k

I have guys who are cops who I'm friends with on Facebook and they post this type of shit all the time.

They don't see that their own perception of the world is skewed by the fact that their job is to be at the coalface of these issues in society. They also don't see that the Police force can be fallible at times (the chest beating over the AFP criticism was intolerable).

I'm talking specifically about these particular people, I know others very well that are much more understanding but I'm pretty confident this is a common point of view amongst many in the force.

I dont think a cop wrote that. Yes cops have those feelings but know better than post it online .

What a complete and utter simpleton.

Does he think killing drug dealers is gonna save 15 year old addicts from getting raped? And he is supposedly a former undercover cop. Clearly knows nothing.

Sick to death of hearing people blaming dealers and smugglers for the deaths of addicts. A police officer should be able to work out that drug addiction is caused by social problems.

Well that was a waste of my time just an angry rant. No doubt it describes some people but a number of his points should be discussed separately.

Death Penalty, Drug laws, Parole board/sentencing, The power of the media, etc.

from a blog on facebook, something a bit different.

Fair Suck Of The Sav, Mate.
Via - Darren Xr Jones.
This is a post by a police officer regarding the hype around the Bali executions and it's something I think more Aussies need to read .................................................

I can’t believe the mentality of people. I have been in law enforcement for 34 years and have worked in many areas within the force. After 9 years in, I spent nearly 5 years working as a UC. (Undercover) attempting to infiltrate traffickers of all types of drugs including amphets right down to simple choof. What a world of pain and misery. I was encased by the filth and self-destruction where I witnessed numerous deaths by either ODs or in a lot of cases suicides. Young girls selling their bodies for 10 bucks a go just to get their hands on their next fix. I remember one particular girl who hung around with the collection I was trying to set up. She was 14 when she was hooked and on the game by 15. Her body was so ripped and torn by drug and sexual abuse she had intestines falling out of her rectum as a result of numerous rapes and sexual encounters where she tried to get payment. Her child was taken off her when she was 15 by Human services but they could do nothing for her but supply treatment when they could. She died at 19. Alone in a back street. Where were you do-gooders. I saw you pass her on the street and avoid her all the time. I would give her food but she preferred to starve and get some smack rather than eat. I became depressed with my job after this time and had to eventually get into some other area. I guarantee any police officer who reads this will be thinking of some person they have dealt with in their career that fits this build. But all I see is you fucking wanna be Samaritans who treat these two drug kings as heroes. Ok I accept that you dont believe in the death penalty. I don’t like it either. But I am sure as shit not going to call on the PM to “Bring our boys home” No boy of mine would do this. The media and the solicitors have played you people for the fools you are. You have never lived in the world of drug, crime and despair. You have been protected from it so much you live in the fantasy world where you believe you can hug everyone and all will be better. You are not qualified to even comment as to whether these guys should get parole or not. Have a look at our system. Or have you forgotten already. Adrian Bayley. You paroled him. You say the parole board stuffed up and parole him. But the parole board consists of people just like you. With your opinions and beliefs. That was a complete and utter failure. This piece of shit was a career rapist and the only ones we can blame for what he did is all of us. Not the judge. Not the Parole board or the police. Us. The decisions like this that are being made are by people who never have to deal with these shitheads when they are in street mode committing crimes. You see them all clean shaven and in their court suits or white shirts becoming born again etc. You poor misguided fools. You don’t even care about the effects of what they have done to our society. Our penalties used to be tough and crime was low. When I started in the police force 34 years ago we called it “Marijuana” It was the biggest thing on the street. Crime was not rampant. Then the drug importing began and the addiction, the shift to powders etc and suspended sentences and here we are. Well your system has worked hasn’t it. Then you voice how much you hate police. But you ring us and run inside and hide whilst we come out and deal with the shit you don’t have the fucking guts to deal with yourself. But you are right up there on your keyboards bravely shit canning the police for excessive force and filming it on your cameras. Here we are in Australia expecting the world to fall at our feet. “Lets boycott Bali. Wow you heroes. That will fix them. Won’t mean shit. You think Australia props up Bali. There are more tourist from Europe than Australia there. And its mostly the bogans one and only overseas holiday destination. Henry Chinn. Know him? Bet not. Well he is on death row in China for trying to smuggle 270 grams of meth into our lovely country in 2004. Have you given a shit about him yet? No. Why? Cos the media hasn’t spoon fed you the crap to hype you up. Who are the two Aussies who were caught in China in last year trying to cart 75kg of ice to here? Davis and Gardiner. They are a couple. China has executed in excess of 1000 people in a 12 month period. But you still buy their shit every day. You hypocrites. These two Australians will be executed and you will still buy their product. Second chance you say. You think these people have no prior convictions. You think this is their first attempt. Wake up fools. Stop hugging yourselves. Two men died today because they broke a law in a country where they knew they faced death if caught. Had they have got away with it, there would be a countless number of 19 year old girls laying in the gutter dead. Quick run inside and tell yourself what a great person you are.

Not disagreeing with you. I also personally don't think benelsmore has that intention but using it in this context specifically could easily cause offence.

JoFFA strikes again.

Yeah but the reason that poster was banned for using the term was completely ridiculous.

Benelsmore, that phrase you used has historically been used as a slur against African Americans. Considering the context of your post (i.e. Aboriginal protests) it'd be easy to make the case that you're using it in the same way.

People have been banned before for using that phrase for less blatant reasons. Just an FYI in case you weren't using it that way on purpose...

Reclaim was organized and the right people were notified in advance so that provisions could be made.

The aboriginal protests were not.

Call a spade a spade.

You calling us sheep, people?

I'm not so sure, I think they engineer public opinion to a degree, clearly this article was the expected norm back then, enter a couple of do gooders and civil libertarians and suddenly you have a story that keeps people going for 10 years, ever heard the journalistic expression"whats the angle?"

Edited by StiflersMom: 2/5/2015 09:07:14 AM

The daily telegraph would've loved nothing more than to have taken a hard line approach to the execution extolling their guilt. They read the public mood and realised the public was disgusted by it all.

WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

Thats the thing about people

Especially the masses

Theres actually no difference from humans with sheep, not really

Memes on point ;)

^^^ agree sm. Our perceptions change via what ever we hear and or read or watch via our news. Eg The reclaim oz was hailed as a great success and not a hinderance to traffic in melbourne. The aborignal protest last month was called a disgrace

Did you ever stop to think how the media play a part in how much "we've changed in one decade". Manipulated is one word that comes to mind?

exactly. I think Australia should also look at its own backyard and see how the lax laws here could have prevented the death of someone like Jill Meagher where her murderer constantly got off scot free for multiple rapes and violence against women.

The common problem with this debate is that people appraise the penalty using our laws as a measuring stick.

Did mean to say deflective, but that too :lol:

Edited by eastern glory: 1/5/2015 10:47:05 AM

Its called fallacious reasoning :-#


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Edited by condemned666: 1/5/2015 10:44:13 AM

This so much. Can't say I'm a big fan of defective reasoning.

The state didn't cause the earthquake as a form of punishment. Its a natural disaster. There is nowhere for us to express our outrage.