Yeah sure it was the voices in his head that made him do it. Nothing to do with Islam.

4 i only knew there were three. There you go you learn something new everyday. Also why the kerfuffle over the kids walking out. Jehovahs witnesses dont partake in singing or listening to music or celebrate birthdays.

The original lyrics of 1879 had four but our official anthem only has two verses.

Bingo! =d>

Further to this, the Union Jack is in the canton of our flag which says Britain dominates/rules over Australia :oops: . The "heritage" excuse for why the Union Jack is still on our flag is just modern bullshit spin created by monarchists who hate a totally independent Australia :roll:. So much for assimilation :roll:.

Back in 1901, all dominions and colonies of the British Empire were required to have a 'defaced' British ensign as their local flag, mainly for the reason of flying them on their merchant ships. 'Defaced' meant the addition of a local symbol(s) to the ensign. No flag design that didn't have a British ensign as the base for the Australia flag would've been considered in our 1901 flag competition. It's no coincidence that 6 or so people all came up with the same design.

Canada, South Africa, India, Sri Lanka, Jamaica, Kenya, Malta, etc ... all use to have 'defaced' British ensigns as their flags as well way back when until they each respectively changed theirs to reflect their country and people's own separate identity:



New Zealand is the latest considering changing their 'defaced' British ensign to a unique NZ national flag. That will leave us as the odd ones out with a foreign flag on our flag (and a foreign head of state) :oops: #-o .

My heritage is Australian \:d/ ; it's not British [-x . Get that foreign, humiliating and cringeworthy flag off our flag!

Edited by Jeff W: 2/11/2015 10:44:04 PM

The Union Jack is the issue. It's demeaning for Australia to have another country's flag on ours, regardless of that country's contribution to our history.

Wouldn't say I hate the Australian flag but I dislike it with a passion. Co-opted by bogan fuckwits means that you can't even wave it at any event these days without associating yourself with southern cross tattooed racist bogan freaks.

The fact that you rarely see the flag at national sporting competitions in the crowd should tell you something about what the average punter thinks of "our" flag and the connotations that go with waving it in public.

When I went to South Africa for the WC 2010 I was blown away by how unifying their new flag was. It was everywhere and waved by whites and blacks alike.

It's got nothing to do with "rebelliousness" and everything to do with wanting our own symbols for our own country. There's only 2 or 3 countries left in the world with somebody else's flag on their flag and by mid next year there may be one less if the Kiwis have the balls to get on with it.

Consider this Rusty. No matter how worthy, no matter how popular, no matter how just no Australian ever born in Australia can be our head of state. That is dead set retarded in this day and age.

I wish we had the guts to pull the pin on the Union Jack and go it alone.

Why do you despise the national flag? It's just a southern cross and a union jack on it. Is it the union jack, does the shape and colours somehow provoke anger in you? I am Republican but I recognise the appreciate my British heritage and ancestry, and it's role in shaping Australia, not sure what would make someone hate something that has been fundamentally good for them. Maybe it's a rebellious thing, like a kid rebelling against his parents and deciding he hates them. Odd

I hate to admit it but I have to agree with Mumbruz on this one.
It would be akin to someone inviting you over their house and you start setting your own rules as to what's acceptable and what's not.

Well of course it did even if it was misguided and a poor interpretation of the Koran.

Whilst all religions have their extremists the Islamic mob seem to have the most hard core fanatics when it comes to nutjobs. (Note: Completely unsubstantiated anecdotal observation.)

As for that clown linked in the newspaper article on the previous page that is pretty poor.

I mean I'm all for free speech and that but that is a bit of a joke.

You don't rock up in other people's countries and start telling them what's what even if they do have a point. Fuck off if it's so bad.

Would include Reclaim Australia and other clowns that have extreme views also.

If I'm reading this correctly I'm thinking Socawho like muslims?

Have I got that right?

And what about that kid that shot the office worker in Parramatta....nah he only visited a mosque before the shooting...but nah he's a nutter too and its got nothing to with religion....and this goes for the people that handed him a gun to carry out the shooting...they are nutters too....hmm ok
FFS get a fucking clue mate.

Edited by SocaWho: 2/11/2015 01:40:29 PM

I think his religion did have a part to play in his actions.

This post is a shining light in a generally dismal thread =d>

And that was wrong but he was a deluded and sick man. Nothijg to do with his religion. Plenty of people send hate mail to politicans and numerous people and nothing is mentiojed of their religion. Yes their is nut caes out there who happen to be muslim

Hate mail campaign?

Sent the family of an Australian soldier a letter calling him a pig and animal.

Fookin bang on lad/EG.

If I had to make my own little secular version of my motherland here in Oz I would call it Broatia and you could get citizenship first m80.

-PB

Was he? All i read was rants of a very deluded man.

Nah he was pretty outspoken on how shitty our laws and culture were.

See guys, CroBagz assimilated just nicely!

He put aside his Balkan ways and opened a good, honest, cash only fish and chip shop in God's country. He employs a dozen local youth and doesn't open on Sundays, as he keeps the Sabbath holy, but if he did open, he certainly wouldn't pay communist penalty rates, because then he wouldn't be able to afford to pay little Johnny who shakes the chicken salt.

You're my Australian of the year CroBagz.

Edited by eastern glory: 2/11/2015 08:42:54 AM

Oh they teach the national anthem in schools alright lol.

-PB

Wasn't the biggest issue with Man Mon Haris was that he had schizophrenia, rather than his Islamic beliefs?

Socawho has no clue . Back pedaling and changing his tune. Hell he started that tara rushton thread only reading the orginal thread and decided he jump in the bandwagon

What a stupid argument.

Besides, national symbolism has very little to do with being Australian. I despise the national flag, for example, but that doesn't make me any less Australian.

They dont teach kids to sing it . I should know i got a daughter in grade one. The national anthem isnt used to prove love for the country . Im over the americanisation of our country. Also we only sing one verse of the song there is actually theree verses but we too lazy to learn the other two verses

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 1/11/2015 11:47:22 PM

Why do you think they teach it in schools then? :-"

Edited by SocaWho: 1/11/2015 11:42:39 PM

:roll: Some impressive back-pedalling there, considering a page back you were telling people who disagreed with you that they should head to Syria.

No one in the "political correctness brigade" defends terrorism, if that's what you're implying.

Mate Ive mention in previous posts that I don't agree with Reclaim Australia and those Right Wing groups...and have as much dislike for them as I do with the Muslim Extremists.
But in the current state of affairs, my opinion is based on recent events where the Parramatta Police shooting and the shooting at Martin Place has made you, me and everyone who is carrying on their daily business a potential target for future attacks carried out in the name of religion. I agree most Muslims are innocent everyday people...but its almost like you are not allowed to say there are a few nutters that have bad intentions since it upsets the apple cart from those in the political correctness brigade.

That bloke is an idiot. I don't think anyone here is disputing that.

But for whatever reason you seem to think that he speaks for the majority of Australian Muslims, and the reality is that he doesn't. Just like Reclaim Australia don't speak for all white Australians.

Extremism exists on all sides, so why is it that Muslim extremism is the one you have a particular problem with?

Edited by JP: 1/11/2015 11:28:12 PM

What halal tax?? Do you have problems with koscher foods? Or that coles and woolies sells foods for diswali festivals for indians?

So why should I buy things on the shelf which is Halal when Im clearly paying a tax for something which is based on a religious belief?