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I wouldn't play rogic away from home unless you are chasing a win. Id play a defensive triangle with johanson as a sole 10 away and rogic start at home in an attacking triangle
having said that rogic didn't start the last home game which is a concern
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grazorblade wrote:I wouldn't play rogic away from home unless you are chasing a win. Id play a defensive triangle with johanson as a sole 10 away and rogic start at home in an attacking triangle
having said that rogic didn't start the last home game which is a concern i don't rate him as a starter.
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Rogic coming on in the 77th minute in the Champions League as reported here, while Gersbach rode the pine in a 2-1 win over APOEL.
In friendlies, Jedinak played the first 70 minutes Behich played the first hour and got an assist for Bursaspor in Austria, and DDS played the last half hour in a 3-1 win against RCD Mallorca.
The Chinese cup is up to the quarter final stage, Giannou played the first 55 minutes in a his win, Sainsbury came on for Jiangsu in the 113th minute in a win over Ryan McGowan's Henan, the latter playing a full match.
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grazorblade
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TheSelectFew wrote:grazorblade wrote:I wouldn't play rogic away from home unless you are chasing a win. Id play a defensive triangle with johanson as a sole 10 away and rogic start at home in an attacking triangle
having said that rogic didn't start the last home game which is a concern i don't rate him as a starter. a goal every 180 minutes last year from CAM and an assist every 270 his defending has gotten a lot better too what would it take to be a starter then?
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grazorblade wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:grazorblade wrote:I wouldn't play rogic away from home unless you are chasing a win. Id play a defensive triangle with johanson as a sole 10 away and rogic start at home in an attacking triangle
having said that rogic didn't start the last home game which is a concern i don't rate him as a starter. a goal every 180 minutes last year from CAM and an assist every 270 his defending has gotten a lot better too what would it take to be a starter then? if he could play for 90 minutes it would help. also, he only seems to take part in 30 mins when he starts and plays 70. its not just about scoring goals. you have to stop the other team from scoring more.
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inala brah wrote:grazorblade wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:grazorblade wrote:I wouldn't play rogic away from home unless you are chasing a win. Id play a defensive triangle with johanson as a sole 10 away and rogic start at home in an attacking triangle
having said that rogic didn't start the last home game which is a concern i don't rate him as a starter. a goal every 180 minutes last year from CAM and an assist every 270 his defending has gotten a lot better too what would it take to be a starter then? if he could play for 90 minutes it would help. also, he only seems to take part in 30 mins when he starts and plays 70. its not just about scoring goals. you have to stop the other team from scoring more. Was about to say this.
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what you are saying has truth in it for the australian team where he is jetlagged
but for celtic he puts in good shifts for the entire 60 minutes
he also is improving in defense. Arsenal's not well known on these forums but not better than mooy's cam only makes a tackle and intercept a game. I'd back rogic to make that in the second half of last season for celtic. Hopefully his engine can continue to improve but if you get a great 60 minutes out of him -better than any other celtic cam - why would you sub him on
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Rogic is just fine as the CAM in a defensive triangle, imo. It's a worry when there's an offensive triangle because of a relative lack of defensive skills in a position which has more defensive responsibility.
I agree that it's worth trying Rogic as a second striker. Not ideal. But worth trying.
Same issue with the NT.
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I don't understand the thinking that says 'oh sure he scored and set up goals last year but what about his defensive work?' Goals and assists win games for your team. If you don't have your best people for winning games on the pitch then you're already conceding. May as well just play with 11 defenders and go for that all important nil all draw.
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Langan wrote:I don't understand the thinking that says 'oh sure he scored and set up goals last year but what about his defensive work?' Goals and assists win games for your team. If you don't have your best people for winning games on the pitch then you're already conceding. May as well just play with 11 defenders and go for that all important nil all draw. Yeah it doesn't make any sense. He does his what's asked of him in defence he doesn't have to be some amazing enforcer. It's dumb as fuck.
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Tomi Juric came on in the 63rd minute for Luzern in a 1-1 Europa league draw against Sassuolo, Kalik missed Hadjuk's 0-3 win due to injury.
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The more minutes Juric can get the better. I think the jury is still out on whether he's the answer as a national team striker
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Mooy, Leckie and Davidson all featuring in a friendly between their sides, a 0-1 win for Huddersfield. Mooy played until the 84th minute, which is when Davidson came on, while Leckie played the first half.
McGrath played the first 68 minutes in a 2-1 Danish league loss.
In other friendlies, Mauk played until the 84th minute in a 0-2 loss to Real Sociedad and Andy Rose played the first 76 minutes in a 3-1 win against Doncaster.
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Good to see Mauk getting good time.
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Article on Good. For some reason they put a poll of asking if he has been a success or failure so far. Good to see 6% see his transfer as an success. At the moment it feels like he will be back searching for a club back in Australia at the end of his contract. I really hopes he can get back playing and I think even if he can get a league 1/2 loan in January it will be a positive season. Quote:Curtis Good: Newcastle defender on his two-year injury hell - and message Rafa Benitez has given him
Newcastle United defender Curtis Good has been plagued by a succession of hip injuries and is only just beginning to regain his fitness Curtis Good has, by his own admission, had a “horrible couple of years”.
A hip injury during the summer of 2014 required surgery but the Australian expected to be back playing within a few short months.
Yet numerous complications, three surgeries, a trip to Colorado, two years and plenty of heartache later, the 23-year-old is still only gradually making his way towards something bordering upon full fitness.
“Definitely I’m starting to get back to where I want to be,” Good told The Chronicle.
“It was a horrible couple of years but I feel this will be my first pre-season completed in a long while and I’m feeling a lot more confident in my body now, which is a big thing psychologically.
“It’s important to first and foremost get the confidence back in my body, then try to prove myself and try to challenge for a slot in the first team.”
For professional sportspeople, confidence in their own body is key to success.
Good has had to work his way back slowly - often taking one step forward and three back during his agonisingly drawn-out recovery - and he is still not as agile, flexible or physical as he was before he was first struck down by injury.
It may only have been a pre-season friendly tournament in Northamptonshire involving a Northern Premier League club and three Under-21 sides, but Good’s appearance for Peter Beardsley’s men in the Steel Park Cup over the weekend was extremely important to him personally.
The mountain of recovery has not quite been scaled yet, but the summit is not in sight.
“It was the same injury and I had the three surgeries; the first one didn’t work and it was sort of done more cautiously because of the area being operated on,” Good explained following United Under-21s’ Steel Park Cup victory.
“The third time I went over to Colorado and got some surgery and rehab out there which hopefully has done the trick and now it’s a good sign I think.
“It’s about getting games under your belt.
“Even playing at Corby you realise that physically you’re not what you were even a couple of years ago and, even though these games weren’t too tough, you can still feel it.
“You need to get that physical game back and that match sharpness; it’s important and every minute counts for me.”
Continuing to top up his fitness for Beardsley’s reserves is all that Good is concentrating on for the time being, but behind the scenes a potential loan move has been touted for the one-cap Australia international defender.
Long-term ambitions of breaking into the United first team persist, but Rafa Benitez has told Good he must prove he is capable of competing physically at the top level before he will even be considered for selection.
Asked if he had spoken to Benitez about his future, Good added: “I did towards the end of last season and his biggest message to me was: ‘Prove you can still play at the top level physically.’
“So I’ve got to prove my fitness and that’s what I’m trying to do and trying to prove that to myself and to the club.
“I think it’s important that I get full games backed up and then we can see what happens but I must prove myself 100 per cent physically and see where it takes me.”
Good’s availability for the Under-21s is certainly to Beardsley’s advantage, with the former Melbourne Heart defender having gained experience on loan at Bradford City and Dundee United in the past.
As a result, he sees himself very much as a senior figure in the Under-21 set-up.
“Definitely I feel like a senior figure,” he continued.
“Look at the age group and there’s a few of us here now who are still in their early 20s but there’s others who are 16, 17 and 18 years of age.
“But I definitely feel like there’s a senior boy, particularly given that I was in their situation when I first came here.
“I’m on the flipside now though.”
It’s the flipside of his fitness problems which Good hopes he has now seen the back of. After two years of agony, things are finally starting to look brighter for the Australian. http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/curtis-good-newcastle-defender-two-11672365
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Mooy with a win and a draw against 2 mid table bundesliga teams. One way or another may well be playing premier league next season.
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The Fans wrote:Mooy with a win and a draw against 2 mid table bundesliga teams. One way or another may well be playing premier league next season. What about the rest of the Huddersfield squad?
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The Fans wrote:Mooy with a win and a draw against 2 mid table bundesliga teams. One way or another may well be playing premier league next season. wagner will probably be off as well.
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The Fans wrote:Langan wrote:I don't understand the thinking that says 'oh sure he scored and set up goals last year but what about his defensive work?' Goals and assists win games for your team. If you don't have your best people for winning games on the pitch then you're already conceding. May as well just play with 11 defenders and go for that all important nil all draw. Yeah it doesn't make any sense. He does his what's asked of him in defence he doesn't have to be some amazing enforcer. It's dumb as fuck. he's a midfielder. not a forward. most games get about 3 goals. the actual goal takes about 2 minutes of build up. add 1 for celebrations. that's 3 minutes. so on very rough average there's about 9 minutes of play that directly result in a goal. so wtf do you think players do for the other 83 minutes plus extra time. stand around jacking off. "ive scored a goal, time to sit down have a nice cuppa tea". that, my friend, is dumb. as. fuck.
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inala brah wrote:The Fans wrote:Langan wrote:I don't understand the thinking that says 'oh sure he scored and set up goals last year but what about his defensive work?' Goals and assists win games for your team. If you don't have your best people for winning games on the pitch then you're already conceding. May as well just play with 11 defenders and go for that all important nil all draw. Yeah it doesn't make any sense. He does his what's asked of him in defence he doesn't have to be some amazing enforcer. It's dumb as fuck. he's a midfielder. not a forward. most games get about 3 goals. the actual goal takes about 2 minutes of build up. add 1 for celebrations. that's 3 minutes. so on very rough average there's about 9 minutes of play that directly result in a goal. so wtf do you think players do for the other 83 minutes plus extra time. stand around jacking off. "ive scored a goal, time to sit down have a nice cuppa tea". that, my friend, is dumb. as. fuck. What the fuck :lol: Every time you post I think you lose an IQ percentage point.
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inala brah wrote:The Fans wrote:Langan wrote:I don't understand the thinking that says 'oh sure he scored and set up goals last year but what about his defensive work?' Goals and assists win games for your team. If you don't have your best people for winning games on the pitch then you're already conceding. May as well just play with 11 defenders and go for that all important nil all draw. Yeah it doesn't make any sense. He does his what's asked of him in defence he doesn't have to be some amazing enforcer. It's dumb as fuck. he's a midfielder. not a forward. most games get about 3 goals. the actual goal takes about 2 minutes of build up. add 1 for celebrations. that's 3 minutes. so on very rough average there's about 9 minutes of play that directly result in a goal. so wtf do you think players do for the other 83 minutes plus extra time. stand around jacking off. "ive scored a goal, time to sit down have a nice cuppa tea". that, my friend, is dumb. as. fuck. r u cooked :lol:
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defence is an asset even if you are a playmaker but if you are playing a possession based style there aren't an abundance of players who can unlock a block of 8 consistently. So yes a playmaker player that can consistently get goals and assists could have a cigarette break for the rest of their games. But if you think rogic does that you are pretty harsh, he has improved his defence and pressing for celtic quite a bit. His national team defense is improving too although it should be taken into account the effect of jetlag
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paladisious wrote:Mooy, Leckie and Davidson all featuring in a friendly between their sides, a 0-1 win for Huddersfield. Mooy played until the 84th minute, which is when Davidson came on, while Leckie played the first half.
McGrath played the first 68 minutes in a 2-1 Danish league loss.
In other friendlies, Mauk played until the 84th minute in a 0-2 loss to Real Sociedad and Andy Rose played the first 76 minutes in a 3-1 win against Doncaster. any match report . How is Mooys form
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inala brah wrote:The Fans wrote:Langan wrote:I don't understand the thinking that says 'oh sure he scored and set up goals last year but what about his defensive work?' Goals and assists win games for your team. If you don't have your best people for winning games on the pitch then you're already conceding. May as well just play with 11 defenders and go for that all important nil all draw. Yeah it doesn't make any sense. He does his what's asked of him in defence he doesn't have to be some amazing enforcer. It's dumb as fuck. he's a midfielder. not a forward. most games get about 3 goals. the actual goal takes about 2 minutes of build up. add 1 for celebrations. that's 3 minutes. so on very rough average there's about 9 minutes of play that directly result in a goal. so wtf do you think players do for the other 83 minutes plus extra time. stand around jacking off. "ive scored a goal, time to sit down have a nice cuppa tea". that, my friend, is dumb. as. fuck. What's your point mate. Are you implying that's what rogic does? I think he's reasonable in defence and build up play. But goals win games, they are the most important thing. so the most important players are those that score or assist them. I abosutelly believe the most important thing for attacking players is direct goal contribution. Also, I'm not sure what games you've been watching that have 2 minutes of buildup before a goal. From what I've seen its always a matter of seconds.
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Toffee's_or_Roar wrote:paladisious wrote:Mooy, Leckie and Davidson all featuring in a friendly between their sides, a 0-1 win for Huddersfield. Mooy played until the 84th minute, which is when Davidson came on, while Leckie played the first half.
McGrath played the first 68 minutes in a 2-1 Danish league loss.
In other friendlies, Mauk played until the 84th minute in a 0-2 loss to Real Sociedad and Andy Rose played the first 76 minutes in a 3-1 win against Doncaster. any match report . How is Mooys form He's been below average by his standards but a cut above his teammates and every opposition they've faced in preseason. Far too good for the championship,
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The Fans wrote:Toffee's_or_Roar wrote:paladisious wrote:Mooy, Leckie and Davidson all featuring in a friendly between their sides, a 0-1 win for Huddersfield. Mooy played until the 84th minute, which is when Davidson came on, while Leckie played the first half.
McGrath played the first 68 minutes in a 2-1 Danish league loss.
In other friendlies, Mauk played until the 84th minute in a 0-2 loss to Real Sociedad and Andy Rose played the first 76 minutes in a 3-1 win against Doncaster. any match report . How is Mooys form He's been below average by his standards but a cut above his teammates and every opposition they've faced in preseason. Far too good for the championship, he is probably weaker as a deep lying play maker than he is as a number 10 his defense is good enough that he allows you to play 2 10s surprised we haven't tried a midfield of mooy luongo and jedi against stronger teams
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The Micky Mouse nature of Asian football, Tokyo announce caretaker manager midweek, Burns does not make squad?
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QPR (Luongo) play Watford at midnight in a friendly and its live on Bein Sports 1.
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eredivisie ecl epl and spl start this week i believe how has ryan done in pre season?
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p.s. by this week I mean in the next 7 days
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