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+xDid they chant a foreign county's name, waive foreign flags, have foreign signs at their home ground, speak a foreign language in their ground announcements, etc, etc. I can see TV channels and sponsors from all over Australia wanting this piece of the action lol Wow. So now the flares at BR were ok because they have stopped speaking Dutch? When you say "kulcha" all the time what do you mean? I thought you meant flares, tifo etc. The football culture. I didnt understand you actually meant their social culture.
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"Did they chant a foreign county's name, waive foreign flags, have foreign signs at their home ground, speak a foreign language in their ground announcements, etc, etc." Yes I believe they did "waive" foreign flags... Although the MVFCs NT do sing a foreign chant.... It's called "HortoMagiko" silly. The first line (let alone the title) is still actually in Greek. Lol. And your club BRFC hollandia insists on wearing foreign colors. Id target those Dutch-lovers first.
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RBB kulcha 'nother shrimp on the barbie 
Ive actually heard the souvlaki tastes better when the fire is lit by a flare. #kulchatips
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That's how they actually smuggle in the flares....hidden in their dirty souvlakis.
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+xDid they chant a foreign county's name, waive foreign flags, have foreign signs at their home ground, speak a foreign language in their ground announcements, etc, etc. I can see TV channels and sponsors from all over Australia wanting this piece of the action lol They wouldn't even accept Australian currency, could only pay in Croatian Kuna.
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+xDid they chant a foreign county's name, waive foreign flags, have foreign signs at their home ground, speak a foreign language in their ground announcements, etc, etc. I can see TV channels and sponsors from all over Australia wanting this piece of the action lol Maybe a Springvale White Eagles fan took a wrong turn.....
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+x+xDid they chant a foreign county's name, waive foreign flags, have foreign signs at their home ground, speak a foreign language in their ground announcements, etc, etc. I can see TV channels and sponsors from all over Australia wanting this piece of the action lol Maybe a Springvale White Eagles fan took a wrong turn..... 
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I too beleive PaulC is non-Anglo.
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+x+xDid they chant a foreign county's name, waive foreign flags, have foreign signs at their home ground, speak a foreign language in their ground announcements, etc, etc. I can see TV channels and sponsors from all over Australia wanting this piece of the action lol Wow. So now the flares at BR were ok because they have stopped speaking Dutch? When you say "kulcha" all the time what do you mean? I thought you meant flares, tifo etc. The football culture. I didnt understand you actually meant their social culture. Oh really Scottyboy. Roar never spoke Dutch unlike Melb Croatia which is all they want to do, well mostly to be PC. You know I'm against all flares but the scale of magnitude you compare the two is laughable LOL.
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Cue Brisbane Hollandia banner picture :rolleyes:
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Lol getting your 21's confused pauly?
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Flares light up Knights’ partyMarch 1, 2004Club NewsPeter Desira, Herald SunMonday, 1 March 2004
Melbourne Knights turned their farewell to the National League into a cultural celebration of its strong connection to the Croatian community.The Knights drew 0-0 with sister club Sydney United. But the club’s biggest crowd of the season was intent on celebrating in typical European style rather than turning the last NSL game into a wake.While one sign expressed thanks for the memories, another stated “Death to the NSL” — a sad statement by supporters after 18 years in the NSL.The match was hardly most memorable but coach Ian Dobson said some players cried in the dressing rooms after the match.“That room felt like they had come off losing a grand final,’ Dobson said.“More than half had tears in their eyes — it made me feel for them.“But life goes on and they go on to separate careers from tomorrow.”The club, formed 50 years ago by Croatian migrants, had toned down the connection in its bid to survive in the NSL but last night turned back the clock to make it a full-blown celebration for the Croatian community.The club played both the Australian and Croatian anthems, had the Croatian ambassador Dr Mladen Ibler as guest, and Croatian flags were prominent in the crowd of 6000.It also turned a blind eye to flares and firecrackers — normally banned by the NSL — with up to 80 before and during the game.The orange smoke gave the game a European feel but the on-field action hardly matched the atmosphere.Sydney United had missed the the six and the Knights needed results to go their way to avoid ae bottom-two spot.The crowd carried off the captains — Andrew Marth and Mark Rudan — after the match and chanted and danced to Croatian music.The club played in five NSL grand finals and won two of them.It produced many fine players, such as Mark Viduka to Danny Tiatto.This season was the club’s worst since joining the league in 1984.Dobson backed the tone of the celebrations but said soccer was moving.“Today was a great day for the Croatian community — it proved that ethnic involvement had a place in the game,” Dobson said.“But Frank Lowy has got it right — we want this game to improve. I hope he is taking it in the right direction.“The game can’t stand still and there will be casualties.'
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+xFlares light up Knights’ partyMarch 1, 2004Club NewsPeter Desira, Herald SunMonday, 1 March 2004
Melbourne Knights turned their farewell to the National League into a cultural celebration of its strong connection to the Croatian community.The Knights drew 0-0 with sister club Sydney United. But the club’s biggest crowd of the season was intent on celebrating in typical European style rather than turning the last NSL game into a wake.While one sign expressed thanks for the memories, another stated “Death to the NSL” — a sad statement by supporters after 18 years in the NSL.The match was hardly most memorable but coach Ian Dobson said some players cried in the dressing rooms after the match.“That room felt like they had come off losing a grand final,’ Dobson said.“More than half had tears in their eyes — it made me feel for them.“But life goes on and they go on to separate careers from tomorrow.”The club, formed 50 years ago by Croatian migrants, had toned down the connection in its bid to survive in the NSL but last night turned back the clock to make it a full-blown celebration for the Croatian community.The club played both the Australian and Croatian anthems, had the Croatian ambassador Dr Mladen Ibler as guest, and Croatian flags were prominent in the crowd of 6000.It also turned a blind eye to flares and firecrackers — normally banned by the NSL — with up to 80 before and during the game.The orange smoke gave the game a European feel but the on-field action hardly matched the atmosphere.Sydney United had missed the the six and the Knights needed results to go their way to avoid ae bottom-two spot.The crowd carried off the captains — Andrew Marth and Mark Rudan — after the match and chanted and danced to Croatian music.The club played in five NSL grand finals and won two of them.It produced many fine players, such as Mark Viduka to Danny Tiatto.This season was the club’s worst since joining the league in 1984.Dobson backed the tone of the celebrations but said soccer was moving.“Today was a great day for the Croatian community — it proved that ethnic involvement had a place in the game,” Dobson said.“But Frank Lowy has got it right — we want this game to improve. I hope he is taking it in the right direction.“The game can’t stand still and there will be casualties.'

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+xThe 3rd banner by Melbourne Knights, basically directed at killing Serb children...........  Shameful.
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^ also is that Gotovina in the middle.
These guys are deluded if they think they willl be let anywhere near the league.
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Set up by the Herald Sun according to some who wish to deflect. LOL. Disgraceful display by Melbourne Croatia fans and a club that gives two hoots other than for their own community.
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"Many of the clubs in the National Soccer League were set up by various ethnic groups. The clubs' national allegiances have led to problems in the past, with supporters fighting each other, mirroring tensions in other parts of the world. In the 90s Soccer Australia attempted to stamp out the problem by renaming the clubs. Thus Melbourne Croatia became the Knights, and South Melbourne Hellas dropped their Greek reference".
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+x"Many of the clubs in the National Soccer League were set up by various ethnic groups. The clubs' national allegiances have led to problems in the past, with supporters fighting each other, mirroring tensions in other parts of the world. In the 90s Soccer Australia attempted to stamp out the problem by renaming the clubs. Thus Melbourne Croatia became the Knights, and South Melbourne Hellas dropped their Greek reference". I fear Wanderers fans will attack my son, says former NSL starFORMER National Soccer League star Paul Carter will try to convince his son not to attend any more Sydney derbies at Pirtek Stadium amid serious concerns for his safety.Carter, who played over 200 games in the NSL with clubs including Marconi and Apia, reacted after 17-year-old Matthew was almost caught in the middle of an attack that saw a mob of at least 25 people launch into a group of three or four Sydney FC fans following the Sky Blues’ 4-3 win on Saturday night.According to Matthew, who witnessed the incident, the young men were left face down in the middle of the road, bloodied, bruised and dazed following what he believes was an unprovoked attacked near Parramatta station.It is believed this was the same incident in which a man was admitted to hospital with a broken leg. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/i-fear-wanderers-fans-will-attack-my-son-says-former-nsl-star/news-story/19b8f995483f4798f7be0d080c333477Its football. Fans fight all over the world. Especially fans from the same city.
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+x+x"Many of the clubs in the National Soccer League were set up by various ethnic groups. The clubs' national allegiances have led to problems in the past, with supporters fighting each other, mirroring tensions in other parts of the world. In the 90s Soccer Australia attempted to stamp out the problem by renaming the clubs. Thus Melbourne Croatia became the Knights, and South Melbourne Hellas dropped their Greek reference". I fear Wanderers fans will attack my son, says former NSL starFORMER National Soccer League star Paul Carter will try to convince his son not to attend any more Sydney derbies at Pirtek Stadium amid serious concerns for his safety.Carter, who played over 200 games in the NSL with clubs including Marconi and Apia, reacted after 17-year-old Matthew was almost caught in the middle of an attack that saw a mob of at least 25 people launch into a group of three or four Sydney FC fans following the Sky Blues’ 4-3 win on Saturday night.According to Matthew, who witnessed the incident, the young men were left face down in the middle of the road, bloodied, bruised and dazed following what he believes was an unprovoked attacked near Parramatta station.It is believed this was the same incident in which a man was admitted to hospital with a broken leg. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/i-fear-wanderers-fans-will-attack-my-son-says-former-nsl-star/news-story/19b8f995483f4798f7be0d080c333477Its football. Fans fight all over the world. Especially fans from the same city. LOL outside the ground miles away. 40,000 fans in that match vs 3,000 from a Melbourne Croatia game with their ethnic wars. Christ even in tennis the Cros want to brawl.
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Gangs warn of more ethnic violence Just not tennis: violence erupts between Croatian and Serbian supporters at Melbourne Park yesterday. More than 41,000 others — a record Australian Open crowd — watched traditional forms of rivalry on the courts. - Gangs warn of more violence
- Violence mars first day ofBen Doherty, Jessica Halloran and Carolyn Webb
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January 16, 2007 Fears that ethnic violence could erupt again at the Australian Open today have been fuelled after gang leaders threatened a repeat of the ugly scenes that marred yesterday's opening day.More than 150 Croatian, Serbian and Greek supporters were thrown out of Melbourne Park after a brawl broke out along ethnic lines in the Garden Square area just before 1pm.The violence is believed to be unprecedented in the history of Grand Slam tennis and has brought additional - if not entirely welcome - international attention to one of Australia's premier sporting events.Today's draw at Melbourne Park could provide a flashpoint for more trouble, with Croat Marin Cilic and Serbian Ilia Bozoljac to meet on court 21.Yesterday's brawl broke out as a record crowd of 41,284 turned up at Melbourne Park for the first day of the fortnight-long Open. In scenes mirroring past ethnic clashes at soccer matches in Australia, the rival groups came dressed in national colours and waving the national flags of Croatia and Serbia. Witnesses said bottles were thrown and flares were lit as opposing supporters punched and kicked each other and yelled abuse.One man was reportedly hit in the face with a piece of wood, and several were bleeding.About 40 police stepped in to separate and eject the brawlers, but no one was arrested.The fans were evicted in two groups, Croatian supporters first, followed by Serbian supporters, along with a group of Greek fans who had been supporting the Serbs during the brawl.Police pushed Croatian supporters east down Swan Street towards Richmond, while Serbian and Greek supporters were funnelled towards the city.Serb supporter Sasa Alesic said the violence was not premeditated. "It's not fair we've all been chucked out. Even if we didn't start it, or do anything, we get thrown out. It's racist."But another Serb supporter said the violence was organised days ahead. Text messages saying "come to the tennis and punch on" had been circulating, and would continue."We hate those Croat c----, we want to smash their heads in after the game," he said. "We knew they were coming, tomorrow there will be more. There'll be 200 Croats, but that doesn't matter, we'll bring shanks and stab every one of them."Croatian fans said they were watching Croatian star Mario Ancic, the ninth seed, when Serbs outside the court chanted abuse at them. "It started with just abusing each other verbally and then it got into an actual fight," said 19-year-old Marina, who did not give a last name.
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yes, outside of the ground miles away.
You need to get your head out of your arse.
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A MELBOURNE Victory fan is believed to have been stabbed in a wild brawl after tonight's match against Sydney FC.Police were called to break up the fight outside the Bat & Ball Hotel in Redfern at about 10.15pm, after the home side had completed a 3-2 win over the visitors at Allianz Stadium.A man in his late 20s or early 30s, who is believed to be a Victory fan, was allegedly stabbed in the torso by a Sydney supporter. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/melbourne-victory-fan-stabbed-in-brawl-after-match/story-fni0fee2-1226756572963
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Ethnic wars are still here with us. How many mono ethnic clubs have been banned playing certain matches in front of the public for fear of violence? Only the high profile clubs get mentioned, how many more are there that we don't hear about? As recently as a few years back South Melbourne Hellas and Preston Macedonia were such clubs, Bonnirig and many others. This is quite recent post NSL and you want them in the A-League. Must be a joke.
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yeah nah, they are all Australian clubs.
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That's right, "outside a hotel", no foreign flags or chants. You don't get that do you!.
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+x+xThe 3rd banner by Melbourne Knights, basically directed at killing Serb children...........  Shameful. +x^ also is that Gotovina in the middle. These guys are deluded if they think they willl be let anywhere near the league. Dont care about the Gotovina one, our lot done similar however we arent protesting to be in the top tier of Oz Football lol. Pretty sad thing making a banner in regards to killing Serb children, must be fucked in the head to bring that to the football and says alot about the club and their board if they allow shit like that. Maybe somebody should tell Melb Knights they should start winning the Victorian NPL and somebody might take their claims seriously ? Nek minnit nah bro no incentive on spending money in the state leagues but we want a-league sockah where we can wave our ethnic flags.
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+xyeah nah, they are all Australian clubs. I recall going to watch Melb Croatia play at Sunshine just before the NSL finished in existence. Walked up to the ticket box and the bloke was talking to his mate in Croatian. Walking through towards the ground you could hear announcements in Croatian, that is if you could hear them when you pass their social club with loud music and songs in Croatian. As I walk up into the tin pot grand stand I get handed a calendar, written in Croatian. As I look at the Croatian bias advertising boards the game starts amongst the chants of Cro-art-tzi-ar, with more Croatian announcements that followed. Yes, matey, they are an Australian club that is biased against 200 other nationalities and clearly not one that is ready for the A-league by a long shot.
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Your point is getting scatty.
You are stating the violence is becuase they arent dinky? But the dinkys are going around stabbing each other, breaking legs and lighting flares.
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that it is better to stab somebody while not chanting than stabbing while chanting?
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+x+xyeah nah, they are all Australian clubs. I recall going to watch Melb Croatia play at Sunshine just before the NSL finished in existence. Walked up to the ticket box and the bloke was talking to his mate in Croatian. Walking through towards the ground your could here announcements in Croatian, that is if you could hear them when you pass their social club with loud music and songs in Croatian. As I walk up into the tin pot grand stand I get handed a calendar, written in Croatian. As I look at the Croatian bias advertising boards the game starts amongst the chants of Cro-art-tzi-ar, with more Croatian announcements that followed. Yes, matey, they are an Australian club but not one that is ready for the A-league. So? My mate took me to the Södertäjle derby Assyriska vs Syrianska. He even took us to the Assyrian clubhouse which was offsite. These guys have Aramaic on their logos, speak it and have ethnic food. When my club played in the same league as them they used to have a whole lamb on a bbq under our stand and basically smoke us out for 90 mins. They had ads over the pa every 5 mins and some in their langauge. Who cares? I always thought it was funny. We dont make them welcome when they come and play against us. Its about the football. It shouldnt always be nice however, your home should be a horrible place to visit for away fans imo. Both are Swedish clubs, founded in Sweden.
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+xYour point is getting scatty. You are stating the violence is becuase they arent dinky? But the dinkys are going around stabbing each other, breaking legs and lighting flares. or that it is better to stab somebody while not chanting than stabbing while chanting? Violence by anyone is abhorrent. What your incapable head is refusing or unable to acknowledge is that they an exclusive club to the broader community and other nationalities more so greatly reinforced by fighting foreign wars in Australia that are only relevant to them. But the ethnic violence problem is only part of it, lack of inclusiveness is the other. You will never see mono ethnic clubs like this in the A-League scottyboy even if your daddy said so.
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