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David Gallop on EON sports just said Promotion/relegation is "a long way off" but buoyed by the fact that he said in the new year they will get cracking on reviewing all the bids for the 2017-18 season.
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Matt Windley and David Davutovic, Herald Sun  A-LEAGUE expansion is the hottest topic among soccer fans around the country, with Football Federation Australia set to add two new teams in the coming seasons. In Victoria we’re no different, with three potential teams coming out of the woodwork. This week the Herald Sun revealed a bid by former National Soccer League powerhouse South Melbourne to become Victoria’s third A-League club, while Geelong and Melbourne’s southeast — namely the Casey-Dandenong region — have also thrown their hats in to the ring.  Socceroos coach Ange Postecoglou is a product of South Melbourne and has been a vocal advocate for A-League expansion. Picture: AAPNationwide, Tasmania has also submitted a bid, there is interest in yet another Sydney team while bidders from Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth are emerging in attempts to become their city’s second team. With David Gallop’s oft-repeated quote of the FFA seeking to “fish where the fish are” in regards to expansion, it seems not a matter of if, rather when, Melbourne Victory and Melbourne City will have another Victorian rival in town. But what — or where — should that team be? Matt Windley and David Davutovic dissect the lay of the land.  Matt Windley. David Davutovic.WHO HAS PUT THEIR HAND UP? ■ Victoria: > South Melbourne:South’s want A-League gig next season > Geelong:Consortium meets with FFA over Geelong A-League bid > Casey-Dandenong:Power clubs unite to push for A-League licence
■ Queensland: > Brisbane Strikers ■ New South Wales: > South-West Sydney > Southern Sydney > Wollongong ■ South Australia: > West Adelaide ■ Western Australia: > Perth II ■ Tasmania  South Melbourne A-League Advisory Board chairman Bill Papastergiadis, with bid team members Luisa Chen and Gabrielle Giuliano say Lakeside Stadium is the perfect venue for the next A-League club.THE STORY SO FAR Matt Windley: No.1 question asked of me this week is do we even need a third Melbourne team? Unequivocally the answer is yes. There were 66,194 players registered at Victorian clubs in 2016 — not to mention their families and other non-playing soccer supporters. Yet Melbourne Victory and Melbourne City’s combined membership is 38,000. A third local team has a huge market to tap in to. David Davutovic: Agree. There’s so much nationwide interest that the A-League could be expanded by two teams and an 8-10 team second division could happen within two years. We’re all waiting on FFA to release their expansion blueprint. If they’re waiting to finalise TV negotiations, that’s shortsighted. The TV networks should not dictate where and when expansion occurs. MW: A third club can help Victory and City. Six more lucrative Victorian derbies and more mainstream media coverage which can be exploited by the incumbents as much as the newcomer. DD: It’s a matter of when, not if. Melbourne City has much more growth, but this will force them to raise the bar and as long as there’s a clear point of difference they’ll be fine. THE CANDIDATES South Melbourne MW: The interest levels when news broke that South is making a bid were astronomical. They will be a massive talking point if they get in — which is something the A-League desperately needs. Some games in this competition which are non-events, but a game against South will absolutely not be. DD: That’s why South and some of these other bids have emerged. They believe they can outdo the current clubs. Competition is crucial, it drove Sydney FC and Victory to new levels. MW: They’ve got a stadium, an established fanbase and history. Will be an interesting story to follow.  Melbourne Victory has played games at Geelong’s Simonds Stadium. Picture: Colleen Petch.Geelong DD: I despise watching soccer at oval venues, but Kardinia Park is decent because it’s narrow. A rectangular stadium is still the key long-term. Short-term priorities are funding and appealing to the fans. MW: I want to be sure there’s a groundswell of community support behind this push. It has the right ingredients, but if the crowds don’t flock in then it could be a white elephant.  Royal thumbs up for Geelong? Big guns like Fernando Torres, of Atletico Madrid, have also visited Geelong. Picture: AAPSoutheast Melbourne (Casey-Dandenong) MW: Done right, the Casey-Dandenong region has huge potential. The local clubs can provide the support with attracting members and supporters to the A-League club, the A-League club can provide a pathway to the top exclusively for local players with its underage and women’s teams. DD: The AFL erred in selling Waverley Park — there is no national sports footprint in the southeast and the A-League can create that. This is the bid the AFL would be wary of because it has the potential to be a powerhouse. MW: The lack of a stadium is clearly a sticking point. But both the Casey and Dandenong councils have expressed interest and there is land available, so it’s not inconceivable that one could be built in the next decade.  Dandenong Thunder and South Melbourne have fought it out on the field and they might, too, be battling off it, for the A-League’s next licence.THE PROCESS MW: When will expansion happen? DD: Criteria will be released “early next year” according to FFA. I don’t understand why they have to wait that long. Fans, clubs and consortium are chomping at the bit, Tasmania want to join next season. It’s set up, ready to go with serious backing and it won’t cost FFA a dollar. MW: It’s obviously a delicate situation. Expansion clubs have failed before and FFA can’t afford for them to fail again. DD: They expanded for the wrong reasons, government funding for 2022 World Cup stadiums was a big motivator in setting up Gold Coast and North Queensland. FFA needs to declare their expansion strategy and open up the bidding. The most compelling ones will stand out. THE CANDIDATES FROM AROUND AUSTRALIA ■ TASMANIA Population: 515,000 Stadium: North Hobart Oval (18,000) Bankrolled by two former Melbourne Victory shareholders, the Tasmania bid has government support, a ground and has already met with FFA. ■ BRISBANE STRIKERS Membership: 1000 Stadium: Perry Park (5000 – needs to be redeveloped) Former A-League coach Miron Bleiberg associated with a serious bid by the former National Soccer League champion.  Socceroo Scott McDonald hails from Melbourne’s southeast.■ SOUTH-WEST SYDNEY (CAMPBELLTOWN-LIVERPOOL) Population: 400,000 Stadium: Campbelltown Sports Ground (20,000) The southwest corridor is NSW’s fastest growing region with a love of soccer, an ideal stadium and 50km away from Wanderland (Parramatta Stadium). ■ SOUTHERN SYDNEY Population: 360,000 Stadium: Shark Park (22,000) Lined up to replace Wellington before FFA backflipped. The Sutherland Shire has Australia’s most registered players and a perfect stadium. ■ WOLLONGONG Population: 290,000 Stadium: WIN Stadium (23,000) Has the history, has the fervent supporter base and every time an A-League or FFA Cup game is played there the crowds turn out in droves. ■WEST ADELAIDE Membership: 800 Stadium: Coopers Stadium (15,000) The only serious hand up thus far to become Adelaide’s second team and they’ve sounded out Robbie Fowler to become coach. ■ PERTH II Population: 2,000,000 Stadium: nib Stadium (20,500) Fremantle would create a geographic divide and the new Perth Stadium (to be completed in 2018) will be ideal for derbies, seating 65,000.  Josip Skoko is Geelong’s most recognisable soccer product.http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/football/a-league/geelong-south-melbourne-and-caseydandenong-line-up-but-where-in-australia-will-the-aleagues-next-club-come-from/news-story/5ed7533a84b9696534352e11423d1f04
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+xSpeaking of stadiums, if anyone needs a new 30k stadium it should be exactly designed the same as the Amex ( American Express Community Stadium ) in Brighton. That stadium was the best stadium I went to in the UK on my recent trip. Outdid any of the EPL stadiums I went to ( Man Utd, Man City, Stoke, Burnley, Southampton ) or any other I went to. as for the Strikers, I quite liked this design for them  I would keep the emblem they have and go back to yellow with blue stripes for home   if you wanted to keep the yellow and blue theme for away perhaps a sash, but with the lighter blue than shown.   otherwise, like this one with 2 shades of blue but with yellow (instead of white).  if not a yellow and blue away kit I would pick perhaps something incorporating their emblem colours so a Paraguay look 
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The Davutovic/Windley article is a good summary of the situation and based on that plus FFA murmurings you'd think that South Sydney, a third Victorian and Tassie would the be the front runners.
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+xThe Davutovic/Windley article is a good summary of the situation and based on that plus FFA murmurings you'd think that South Sydney, a third Victorian and Tassie would the be the front runners. It certainly seems that way Azza. South Sydney @ Cronulla and South Melb have the infrastructure raring to go and would certainly create a big bang of interest if they were introduced in their respective cities as well as a bit of controversy. I thought Brisbane Strikers were a chance but the comments from senior management post Miron's remarks were very disappointing and it shows how far behind the 8 ball they really are. Unless they're trying to keep information in-house i cannot see how they will be readily prepared for the next round of expansion.
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+x+xThe Davutovic/Windley article is a good summary of the situation and based on that plus FFA murmurings you'd think that South Sydney, a third Victorian and Tassie would the be the front runners. It certainly seems that way Azza. South Sydney @ Cronulla and South Melb have the infrastructure raring to go and would certainly create a big bang of interest if they were introduced in their respective cities as well as a bit of controversy. I thought Brisbane Strikers were a chance but the comments from senior management post Miron's remarks were very disappointing and it shows how far behind the 8 ball they really are. Unless they're trying to keep information in-house i cannot see how they will be readily prepared for the next round of expansion. Thought the same as you re: Strikers. I think the FFA will push for a second Brisbane when the league goes to 14.
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Id be weary calling a second team Fremantle, you risk making it an AFL divide. With Perth, a second team would work playing out of nib but basing the team somewhere else, it works in the afl.
But i do question whether there is the demand for a second team, and whether naming a team southern perth would generate new fans, and not just take from Glory.
Maybe having a completely new stadium that holds 6-8k in the north or south would be better, but i cant see that happening.
A derby would be great though.
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ideally i would love to see the a-league expand for next season firstly going with the teams with stadiums:
11. south sydney (out of kogarah but cronulla will suffice)
12. south melbourne (on the premise of retractable seating behind the goals)
and then have a plan set in place for 4 seasons time for the bidders without stadiums to get a stadium built or a stadium deal organised amongst:
- brisbane strikers: new stadium north of river
- dandenong/casey: new dandenong showground stadium
- tasmania: proper redevelopment of north hobart atleast into a temporary rectangular stadium.
and the best two of those lot would be the next lot of expansion.
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It’s understood that almost $2m in sponsorship has already been pledged and the stadium deal is so favourable that they would need just 5000 fans to break even, though they’re confident of attracting an average of 10,000.
Both South Melbourne & Tasmania seem like 'low risk' options with their respective stadium deals. If the State Government is pledging to re-develope North Hobart to rectangular mode it shore's up their future for the mid term. They wouldn't invest heavily into something thats going to be abandoned.
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This looks very promising
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How longs Wellington got left?
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+xHow longs Wellington got left? Coupla days tops http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-22/earthquake-hits-new-zealand-north-island/8045512
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Not an expansion team I know but wasnt sure where to post this. I thought I'd have a crack at reamaking Bentleighs crest.  pic host
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A-League expansion: Running the rule over potential franchises South Melbourne Former NSL champions South Melbourne are one of the clubs vying for a place at the A-League table. After the FFA announced last week that they will end the uncertainty surrounding expansion of the A-League by formalizing clear criteria early next year for interested bidders, several potential destinations have come to the fore. Where will the next two A-League clubs likely be based? Here's a rundown of how each bid is shaping up: Tasmania Status: Mega-wealthy former Victory investors Harry Stamoulis and Robert Belteky have already met with FFA, saying they're ready to go from next year with support from all levels of government. Pros: A cheap stadium deal, as well as plenty of dollars and know-how from Stamoulis and Belteky. Cons: Football is far from the top game in this AFL-mad state, with little infrastructure and growth potential in a limited market. Auckland Status: Very early days to quote Auckland City's chairman Ivan Vuksich. The New Zealand powerhouse is the only realistic option for expansion across the ditch, but would require a leap of faith from FFA. Pros: Successful football pedigree, the chance for a Kiwi derby and weekly A-League content in New Zealand, a strong catchment of 1.5 million. Cons: Questions of commitment. From the club, FFA, NZ Football and potential investors. Canberra Status: Up in the air. Governing body Capital Football isn't bidding and previous A-League aspirant investor Ivan Slavich is currently backing the Central Coast Mariners' two-game deal in the nation's capital. Pros: Solid stadium, junior numbers and lack of competition in one of Australia's richest, if smaller, cities. Cons: The FFA isn't keen. David Gallop pointedly rebuked the city's A-League aspirations around the time it hosted an A-League qualifier last year. South Melbourne Status: Ready to go, so they say. The powerhouse NSL club has been working to join the A-League since the day it was overlooked for the league and will mount a solid case. Pros: History and the chance to heal the ongoing rift between "new football" and "old soccer." A solid stadium deal and long-term lease. History of success. Cons: Does Melbourne need another team with City's attendances so low? Would Victory fight their admission? Geelong Status: Interested groups are getting organised but a Geelong bid is still in the embryonic stages. Pros: There's room in Victoria for another team, and state and local government are likely to offer support. Geelong is a sports town with a record of producing Socceroos. Cons: Simonds Stadium might have narrow boundaries but it's ultimately not a venue suitable for football. Questions over support base. Sydney FC are unbeaten in the A-League, but their form on the water wasn't great, as they tried out paddle-boarding. South Sydney Status: They were nearly ready to replace Wellington Phoenix last season, and the murmurs are continuing that FFA wants a third team in Sydney. Pros: Sydney's big enough for three teams, right? FFA's number crunchers have determined the south is an untapped market, with a big participation base. Cons: Sydney FC are dead against it, as one third of their members come from the shire, while Wollongong wants a standalone team. Wollongong Status: The Wolves say they will have a look at FFA's expansion criteria once it's released, but they could have some high-powered backers lined up. Pros: The Illawarra, a bit like the Hunter, is a true football region. WIN Stadium would be perfect. Cons: Forces outside of their control seem to prefer a southern Sydney team, based part-time in Wollongong. Brisbane Strikers Status: The former NSL champions have assembled a bid team, headed by the colourful Miron Bleiberg, and will soon submit a formal bid to FFA. Pros: A strong brand, an existing structure, a successful academy and a ready-made rivalry with Brisbane Roar. Cons: Venue. If the Strikers can't find somewhere to play other than Suncorp Stadium, they'll struggle for a point of difference with the Roar. Adelaide Status: Adelaide City and West Adelaide, two former NSL stalwarts, have made noises about an A-League bid. Pros: Both are historic clubs who figure the Reds could do with a derby rival. Wests want Robbie Fowler as their inaugural coach. Cons: Does little old Adelaide really have room for two teams? Who's not supporting Adelaide United in SA? Perth Status: Football West is aiming for a second Perth team in the next three to five years in an audacious bid to turbocharge the game in WA. Pros: Perth's a growing city and numbers would suggest not everyone is on board with the Glory, for whatever reason. Cons: The Glory are just getting settled off-field and a rival team would chew into their market at an inopportune time. Not happening North Queensland: The Northern Fury say they won't be ready for this round of expansion, and the Hong Kong casino mogul backers of Cairns-based FNQ Heat have seemingly moved on. Gold Coast: There is a desire from some parties to revive Gold Coast's A-League presence but no action at this stage. Maybe one day. http://www.espnfc.com/australian-a-league/1308/blog/post/3001344/a-league-expansion-running-the-rule-over-potential-franchises
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Auckland eyes spot in expanded A-League Phoenix fans celebrate in the stands. Photo: Getty Images Phoenix fans celebrate in the stands. Photo: Getty Images The race is on to catch Sydney FC at the top of the A-League table, but the biggest battle in domestic football this season isn't to win the league - it's to join it. FFA's decision to begin a formal process early in the new year for teams to enter the A-League has set the pulses racing. As many as a dozen expansion markets exist around Australia and New Zealand, contending for what are likely to be two vacancies. Brisbane, southern Sydney, Tasmania, Auckland, South Melbourne, Canberra and Wollongong are all candidates, among others. And why wouldn't they be interested? Crowds are up, broadcast audiences are up and playing standards are up. Since the admission of the Western Sydney Wanderers in 2012, football dreamers have looked forward to the next entry to boost the 10-team competition. FFA bosses have opted for consolidation over the past five years, only toying with the idea of changing the line-up at crisis moments with existing teams; most notably in October last year at Wellington's expense. But with the Phoenix's investors backing the New Zealand side for at least another three seasons after this one, the focus now is on expansion and not replacement. A-League chief Greg O'Rourke gave a timetable for possibly two new teams in the 2018/19 competition in a statement last week. "A framework for expansion will be completed early next year which will allow (interested consortia) to submit expressions of interest in a framework which focuses on the viability of the the proposed franchise and its ability to provide benefits to the A-League and the game," it read. In other words, it's game on. As it stands right now, the A-League aspirants are at varying states of preparedness. A well-financed Tasmanian bid, which has already met with FFA, believe it just needs the tick-off from head office to start investing and hit the ground running. National Soccer League powerhouses South Melbourne have a champion second-tier team, a boutique stadium and a burning desire to be back among the big boys. In Queensland, former Gold Coast United coach Miron Bleiberg believes fellow NSL winners Brisbane Strikers could be a viable force in the A-League, and is working with investors to plot a pathway into the top tier. Further afield, Oceania powerhouses Auckland City are beginning an exploratory process that could lead to a bid. Chairman Ivan Vuksich told AAP the club was in the "very early days" of looking at raising the capital. "We'd obviously like to be involved," he said. "We've made some tentative enquiries but it's very preliminary." Had the Phoenix not continued in the competition, FFA was ready to introduce a third Sydney team encompassing the Sutherland, St George and Illawarra regions. Despite Sydney FC's opposition, it remains a favoured option for the governing body - but it's unlikely FFA will drive the concept this time around, meaning external investors will be required. All three associations are still keen to come together and former A-League chief Lyall Gorman, now the chairman on NRL club Cronulla, is eager to accommodate a team at Southern Cross Group Stadium. It's expected any southern Sydney franchise would also play games at WIN Stadium but the Wollongong Wolves, back-to-back NSL champions in 2000 and 2001, believe the South Coast should have its own team and will consider putting forward a bid once FFA releases its criteria. "If guidelines come out in January or February, of course we're going to look at those guidelines very, very closely," new Wolves CEO Chris Papakosmas told AAP. "We have some very, very significant contacts and connections within corporate Australia, right across the country, and we intend to leverage those when it's most appropriate and suits everyone involved." The choices for FFA extend further afield, with Geelong presenting a regional alternative for another Victorian franchise, while second teams in Adelaide or Perth are long-shot contenders. No bids are expected from the Gold Coast or North Queensland, two regions burned badly by the A-League's disastrous first attempt at expansion in 2009. https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/football/auckland-eyes-spot-expanded-league
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Would truly be something if a New Zealand club of Croatian background got in lol.
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+xWould truly be something if a New Zealand club of Croatian background got in lol. No different than greek-backed club South Melbourne.
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An club from a different country is no different than an Australian club?
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+xWould truly be something if a New Zealand club of Croatian background got in lol. A few people I could name: 
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+x+xWould truly be something if a New Zealand club of Croatian background got in lol. A few people I could name: The vast majority.
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Adelaide United Reds defender Dylan McGowan says A-League derby would be huge for the state Val Migliaccio, @val61, The Advertiser November 22, 2016 5:30pm Subscriber only ADELAIDE United defender Dylan McGowan has welcomed the prospect A-League derby for the Reds. Having tasted what a derby means to Scotland’s capital Edinburgh, McGowan said a second Adelaide club would not only create spice and divide the city, it would also double the size of SA’s soccer industry. West Adelaide and Adelaide City are both pushing to become derby partners of Adelaide United. “Obviously when you break into the first team it’s the only game that every fan wants you to win and to speak about,’’ said McGowan recalling the derby days of Edinburgh. “Even though we (Hearts) were in administration, (and despite) the points deduction which took us to the bottom of the league (in 2013) we won all four derbies that year. Is there room for a second A-League team in Adelaide? No, the city's too small Yes, that would be great VoteView ResultsPolldaddy.com “I can still got back to Edinburgh and really not pay for a drink in some places. “It means so much for the fans and as a player you really feel that when you out there. “I see it more so from a kid’s point of view when I was a young kid growing up there was only Adelaide United. “But if there’s two teams, there’s double the chances for Adelaide boys to break in. “I want what’s best for the game in SA ... it’s up to the public to get behind each one.” McGowan, 25, featured for Scotland’s Heart of Midlothian in feisty derby clashes with Hibernian after leaving SA as a teenager. “The derbies are special games,” said McGowan on The Advertiser’s Facebook site. “I remember when I was a young player I had to go and set things up and then you leave the changerooms for the first team to come back in. “But then the place is like a jungle (of fans) completely full, incredible atmosphere and I remember sitting there and thinking “yeah this is the game that I really want to play in.’ ” Val Migliaccio chats to Dylan McGowan McGowan played 64 matches for Hearts playing at home, Tynecastle Stadium and Hibs’ home Easter Rd. The two archrivals’ stadiums are just 6km apart. As well as revealing he dreamt of SA derbies, McGowan also revealed Adelaide has a team laden with superstitious players. He said Isaias would always be the fourth player to enter the field of play when the Reds walked out for their final parade before kick off. “Every week he’s (Isaias) the same,’’ McGowan said. “Nigel Boogaard when he was here, he was always last (out). “None of them (players) touch the lines, they all skip over the lines and a lot of people bless themselves. “You know we’ve got a lot of superstitious players. “Me I have a few things that I do, like habits. “I put one shin pad on before the other, my right generally but that’s just through habit.” Originally published as Bring on the SA derby, says McGowan http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/football/a-league/teams/adelaide/reds-defender-dylan-mcgowan-says-aleague-derby-would-be-huge-for-the-state/news-story/02d52bcbe4d8cc61ff1a69b16df50a06
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Bruce Gordon is tighter than a bulls arse during fly season, he isn't buying an a-league license. He tried to buy 50% of the dragons by clearing their debt with the NRL by offering the NRL contra on the WIN network.... and hes a dragons tragic.
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A third team in South sydney will end up moving to South West sydney when a new stadium is built. Wollongong deserves it own team in the future to service the South coast.
I think people in the shire already identify with the Syd fc. The South West corridor from hurstville to Campbelltown and beyond would have massive support.
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It will be interesting to see FFA's selection criteria when it is ready to be presented. May see who the real "bidders" are and those just making noise.
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Has it occurred to FFA that they accidentally got the expansion method right with the Wanderers and they should just replicate that? Establish a club, get the fans involved from the start and then sell it off. They won't have the same level of success again but that method gives a greater chance of success.
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+xSpeaking of stadiums, if anyone needs a new 30k stadium it should be exactly designed the same as the Amex ( American Express Community Stadium ) in Brighton. That stadium was the best stadium I went to in the UK on my recent trip. Outdid any of the EPL stadiums I went to ( Man Utd, Man City, Stoke, Burnley, Southampton ) or any other I went to. The construction costs for that stadium are quoted as around the 90 million pound mark ... that converts to around AU$150 million (about half the price of the upgrades being done at Parramatta and about a tenth the cost of the new Perth stadium). Given the economic downturn in Australia might even get cheaper now.
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+xHas it occurred to FFA that they accidentally got the expansion method right with the Wanderers and they should just replicate that? Establish a club, get the fans involved from the start and then sell it off. They won't have the same level of success again but that method gives a greater chance of success. I suppose that isn't really the FFA's role though. Surely it is cheaper for the FFA to simply invite formal applications, and therefore let others do all the grunt work (and then they can cast an eye over it at the end to see if it meets their criteria). Similar is done with numerous government agencies (that is private stakeholders have to "prove" up proposals according to government guidelines). On occasions government will do the work, but the vast majority of the time it is left up to private investors. (Better for them to take the risks than the FFA??)
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