Player numbers have been growing by about 5% annually combined in the Districts and there are a lot of players that are counted in the State League figures so I reckon the 22k figure accounts for the 3 figures combined.

The population in SW Sydney depends on which State  Government is in power.  They move Fairfield and Bankstown in and out on a regular basis.  If you add the lot together i.e.. Macarthur, Liverpool, Fairfield and Bankstown, the population is already 900k and its growing at about 25k pa.  If you include Bankstown numbers of 8k there is a total of 30k registered players and that is growing by around 1k pa.

The stadium article says capacity 10k, doesnt mention how many seats. It says they can upgrade to between 15k  and 20k all seater. Its a bit unclear how many seats they are planning now. Regardless I think 10k would be great and enough for an extended period. Play WSW at the new Parramatta, allocate tickets to the SW members and ticket holders and member clubs before releasing to general public, so they can buy tickets for their friends and family who support SW and its not flooded with WSW straight away. 

I am used to playing derbies away so I dont think it is so much of a big deal. These days we play derbies at home and it sickens me to see the scumbags inside our stadium. But thats my personal view. SFC and Southern would be ok at the 10k stadium. Pretty sure the new Parramatta will have a LED system, i think, so you can light up the stadium in SW colours for the derby. The stadium is for the people of NSW not exclusively WSW and Eels

The LED screen at Parramatta has been reduced in size and is now only going to be over one corner entrance.  Its a compromise requested by the Heritage people and its been accepted by Stadiums NSW or whatever they are called.

In fact, it's written into FFA's recent six-year contract that Fox Sports won't add any money for expansion until year five of the contract and then only if the new team is from Sydney or Melbourne.

So, the fanatics who want an A-League team in Tasmania or Geelong won't be funded by additional  Fox Sport money.

Furthermore, the additional pay TV money won't go close to covering the costs of the new team.

The Fox Sports/FFA contract offers $2.5 million for an additional Sydney or Melbourne club in years five and six.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/why-expansion-could-damage-the-aleague-20170327-gv7tos.html

Roy Masters talking shit ?

Wouldn't be the first time but if he's on the money then anyone involved in the negotiation of the TV deal should be fired and slapped firmly 

My understanding is the Fox Sports/FFA contract offers $5,6 million for two additional teams from year 2 to 4.  If there is no expansion in 2018/19 that means $5.6m is knocked off the headline figure for that year.

The Fox Sports/FFA contract offers $7.5 million a year if certain metrics are met by the end of year 4 for years 5 an 6. Further expansion may also be considered at that time if the metrics are being met.

that's roughly what I'd heard but Masters is claiming FACT.

Which also suggests he's seen it, and that suggests someone at FFA showed him

Still trying to put the Genie back in the bottle before March 31  ?

That's my understanding as well.

I reckon Roy has got it wrong.

I worked it once here, to the nearest decimal point, from the bits and pieces which have been made public:

 

Break down of six year TV deal ($346M)	Cash component  ($M)			Non-cash	Total
	Base Cash	2 new teams	Incentives	Contra	Cash & non
Year 1	44.5			6	50.5
Year 2	44.5	5.6		6	56.1
Year 3	44.5	5.6		6	56.1
Year 4	44.5	5.6		6	56.1
Year 5	44.5	5.6	7.5	6	63.6
Year 6	44.5	5.6	7.5	6	63.6
Total	267	28	15	36	346

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I reckon Roy has just got some of the timing and amounts mixed up.

The Year two calculation tallies with what we know the FFA are wanting to do re expansion.

  I’m all for a second division but it is just not going to happen with a group of current NPL clubs banding together to create a league2.

If the FFA are going to approve this (which for the good of the game they have to be on board) they will want teams/ franchises in certain strategic locations to capture the major population centers and to future proof against the inevitable promotion and relegation.

For example and initial 8 team A league 2 could look something like this

Sydney South	Franchise
Sydney South West	Franchise
Sydney 5	Open to NPL bids
Wollongong	Open to NPL bids
Canberra	Franchise
Melbourne SW	Franchise
Melbourne 4	Open to NPL bids
Geelong	Franchise

The successful teams would be “hand picked” for A league expansion a few years of competition based on a number of criteria.
And replace by one of the following
 

Adelaide 2

Perth 2

Brisbane 2

Geelong

Tasmania

Auckland

Eventually this would lead to 22 professional teams over two divisions with full P and R between the two.

Also I would imagine some of the rich Sydney Rugby League clubs who are looking for upgrades to their stadium would be interested in any possible Sydney bid as co tenant to increase potential for grants. ie Penrith, Manly

There seems to be a foreign club in your list from Auckland.

Maybe we should also include The Kabul Wanderers! 

I'm not too worried if they ditch the NZ teams, I'm sure we could find a couple of other pro Oz teams, maybe bring back Gold Coast and Nth Qld.

Jeopardised our football league

this absolutely. the a-league pyramid still needs new clubs in strategic locations that dont have an identifiable unified club.

If anyone is interested, this is a really good read analysing the 12 expansion bids for the next phase of expansion in the MLS in America. There is quite a bit of the same issues, metrics and challenges for both the bidding parties and the federation when it comes to who to ultimately select for expansion.

http://www.starsandstripesfc.com/mls-usmnt/2017/3/31/14518652/mls-expansion-bids-2017

Agreed but no nz teams. 

More allocated franchise zones, that'll fix everything

ARU puts Western Force, Melbourne Rebels on Super Rugby chopping block

Updated about an hour ago

The futures of Australian Super Rugby clubs Melbourne Rebels and Western Force are on life support, after the ARU today confirmed one of the franchises would be cut at the end of this season.

ARU CEO Bill Pulver and chairman Cameron Clyne made the announcement at a press conference in Sydney today, saying a final decision would be made "within 72 hours".

Mr Clyne said the ARU had completed an "exhaustive analysis" on the Melbourne Rebels, ACT Brumbies and Western Force.

"After reviewing management's findings, the board made the decision to eliminate the Brumbies from the process and identified that consultation is required with both the Western Force and Melbourne Rebels to further understand their financial position," Mr Clyne said.

"We don't expect this final consultation period to be a very drawn out process and expect to be able to deliver an outcome in the very near future."

Yesterday, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and Argentina Rugby (SANZAAR) — the body which operates the Super Rugby competition — announced the league would be reduced by three teams next season.

The new format means the number of teams in Australia will be reduced from five to four, and South Africa cut from six to four.

Current format is 'unsustainable'

Mr Clyne said his organisation had made the decision to cut a team because the current format was "unsustainable".

"Almost immediately upon expansion to five teams, it became apparent that Australia could not sustain that number of teams," he said.

"The financial drain, coupled with the fact that each team is an independent entity, and make decisions accordingly, placed a significant strain on funding."

He said the game was under extreme financial strain Down Under and said Australia did not have the playing depth to service five Super Rugby teams.

Shortly after his side's 46-41 victory over South African's Southern Kings, Western Force captain Matt Hodgson was moved to tears when asked about his club's future.

"Being a parent myself, you don't know where to put your kid now. Do I put him in rugby or do I put him to stay in Western Australia playing AFL, so it's frustrating," Hodgson said.

"I think the way it's been done is probably the most annoying thing, it's dragged on.

"I've done four press conferences this week and I've had one rugby question."

Expansion is not the Panacea

No professional sport in Canberra if they cut the Brumbies. Would be time for FFA to take a chance on Canberra.

What sort of crowds/membership do the Rebels and Force get? 

Won't be the Brumbies cut

Just as the FFA learned 5 or 6 years back, sometimes you have to take two steps back to go one step forward.

I wouldn't be upset if the Melbourne Rebels were chopped. the Melbourne sporting market is diluted enough as it is. plus they wreck our pitch.

We've got some pretty good groundsmen. Our pitch is never as bad as what Sydney/Brisbane dish up, even though we have the Storm and the Rebels smashing it up.

Thats good policy. Thanks mr golf. 

The main lesson you need to take from Rugby is not to destroy club and grassroots football in the pursuit of money. There is already some worrying signs regarding player development with the neglect of all but a hand full of clubs.......for Rugby it is almost terminal.

Would think it is a negative for Perth Glory if the Force get cut from the Super Rugby competition.

Shouldnt affect them either way tbh. 

Nor is it just a bandaid.