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If we played our best lineup against the weakest team in the group only to field a weaker lineup against a team as good if not better than us then that's awful squad management by Milicic and he should be sacked.
Rotations are needed in tournaments sure, but the aim is to keep your best players fit for the big games. But once again the fact that 3/4 of this team haven't played a game in months shows. Badly.
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+xIf we played our best lineup against the weakest team in the group only to field a weaker lineup against a team as good if not better than us then that's awful squad management by Milicic and he should be sacked. Rotations are needed in tournaments sure, but the aim is to keep your best players fit for the big games. But once again the fact that 3/4 of this team haven't played a game in months shows. Badly. Seemed really odd to change up a team that dramatically, sure you want to get a look at all your players but I thought this was a super duper important tournament? You must have some idea of the team you want to go with.
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+x+xIf we played our best lineup against the weakest team in the group only to field a weaker lineup against a team as good if not better than us then that's awful squad management by Milicic and he should be sacked. Rotations are needed in tournaments sure, but the aim is to keep your best players fit for the big games. But once again the fact that 3/4 of this team haven't played a game in months shows. Badly. Seemed really odd to change up a team that dramatically, sure you want to get a look at all your players but I thought this was a super duper important tournament? You must have some idea of the team you want to go with. Whole changes are the norm in these AFC youth tournaments with the games coming so fast, if you look back at the old ones it's the same.
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 John Duerden reckons Vietnam’s South Korean coach needs to find a balance between an improved defence and the free-flowing, attacking football of the past. It has been a good few days for Vietnamese football. The senior national team moved up the FIFA rankings to become the highest-placed of any in Southeast Asia, replacing the Philippines. And then on Sunday in China at the AFC U-23 Championship, there was a result to savour. Vietnam defeated Australia 1-0 in the second round of matches in the group stage. In the opening game, the Golden Stars took the lead in their opener against South Korea only to see the young Taeguk Warriors come back to win 2-1. On Sunday Nguyen Quang Hai gave his team the lead for the second successive game but this time, there was no reply. The Reds hung on for a famous victory. It was backs to the wall stuff from the Southeast Asians for much of the game. They defended deep, in numbers and with dogged determination. Australia had an amazing three-quarters of possession but did not do a great deal with it, passing it around in front of the opposition defence with not much idea of how to break through. Vietnam were much more incisive, having the same number of shots on goal as the Olyroos and 10 shots in total to 13. As coach Ante Milicic trudged off the pitch in Kunshan, he had the look of a man who knew he was going to come in for plenty of criticism in the Australian media. There were complaints in some quarters down under that the A-League clubs were losing talent for an Asian youth competition. Perhaps worse than losing players to a youth tournament that is seen by some as a waste of time is performing badly in a tournament seen by some as a waste of time. Even those who do consider a continental championship to be a worthy event would usually expect to defeat Vietnam whenever and wherever they meet. But perhaps they shouldn’t have. After all, in October 2013, Vietnam tore Australia apart in the AFC U-19 Championship qualification and won 5-1. Nguyen Cong Phuong scored twice that day and was unplayable, just one of the players to star then and now. There has been talent in the country for some time. In terms of technique, the likes of Chong Phuong rank alongside any in the continent and there are plenty more where he came from as we will all see at the 2019 Asian Cup, a competition which Vietnam qualified with some comfort. What has been lacking up and down the ‘S-shaped nation’ is a little confidence when playing the bigger boys in Asia. There is plenty of ability on the ball but the same ability to dig in and get the result when necessary has not always been demonstrated. The addition of Park Hang Seo as head coach last year was an interesting move. The South Korean can be a prickly and stubborn character but has plenty of experience in the K-League and also with the national team. This is not a man with a reputation for playing free-flowing football and puts pragmatism above prettiness. But a little pragmatism was in order. Vietnam have been short of ruthlessness in the past. There have been times, for example that semi-final against Indonesia in the 2016 AFF Suzuki Cup, when the result did not match the standard of the performance. Pressure was placed on opposition but possession and chances were wasted. This became more acute with the retirement of legendary goalscorer Le Cong Vinh at the end of 2016.
This Vietnam display showed the improved concentration, work-rate and discipline under Park but he has to find a balance between making the team hard to beat without sacrificing the silky skills, the Vietnamese pass and move groove. After all, Vietnam have fine players who are capable of playing a much more easy on the eye game.
It remains to be seen if he can pull it off. Playing so deep and defensively can be swallowed against a team like Australia with a couple of conditions. You have to win, or at least not lose, and then it has to be a step in a journey. If this result improves confidence and gives the Reds the belief that they can go and beat anyone in Asia then a little negativity will be tolerated for now. Park may not be the right long-term choice but could be Mr.Right. Now, the coach to take the team to the next level even if not the man to go all the way to the top. There is delight at the result but some concern about whether Vietnam will become a boring and negative team. That would be counter-productive in the long-term. Parking the bus can work for now, but Vietnam are capable of driving the bus very fast indeed and to some great places.
Parking the bus long-term does not match Vietnam’s football DNA - FOX Sports Asia
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Izzo
Cowburn
Deng
Susnjar
Garuccio
Gersbach
McGree
Wilson
Hrustic
De Silva
Blackwood
Decent. Still weird O'Neill hasn't featured. Might have a niggle.
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Gersbach isn't as fast as I thought.
Pretty poor performance so far.
...and there we go. Shocking defending.
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+xGersbach isn't as fast as I thought. Pretty poor performance so far. ...and there we go. Shocking defending. Our youth development is well known to be below par.
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So another youth team not doing well in Asia, in fact its the 4th national youth team to fail to get out of the group stage in an AFC event since 2016...
The alarm bells would surely be getting louder at FFA HQ.
Our Olympic campaign for 2020 is already off to a bad start based how important the seeding is for doing well here.
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+xSo another youth team not doing well in Asia, in fact its the 4th national youth team to fail to get out of the group stage in an AFC event since 2016... The alarm bells would surely be getting louder at FFA HQ. Our Olympic campaign for 2020 is already off to a bad start based how important the seeding is for doing well here. Alright if I use this stat?
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+x+xSo another youth team not doing well in Asia, in fact its the 4th national youth team to fail to get out of the group stage in an AFC event since 2016... The alarm bells would surely be getting louder at FFA HQ. Our Olympic campaign for 2020 is already off to a bad start based how important the seeding is for doing well here. Alright if I use this stat? Check the wiki to be sure, but i remember correctly the 2016 teams all failed to make it out of the group stages, the joeys came dead last whilst the last olyroos and young socceroos teams missed out.
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+x+x+xSo another youth team not doing well in Asia, in fact its the 4th national youth team to fail to get out of the group stage in an AFC event since 2016... The alarm bells would surely be getting louder at FFA HQ. Our Olympic campaign for 2020 is already off to a bad start based how important the seeding is for doing well here. Alright if I use this stat? Check the wiki to be sure, but i remember correctly the 2016 teams all failed to make it out of the group stages, the joeys came dead last whilst the last olyroos and young socceroos teams missed out. I'll available a gander now.
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+xF expansion So another youth team not doing well in Asia, in fact its the 4th national youth team to fail to get out of the group stage in an AFC event since 2016... The alarm bells would surely be getting louder at FFA HQ. Our Olympic campaign for 2020 is already off to a bad start based how important the seeding is for doing well here. I think they finally are ringing and we're starting to see a response, hopefully desired outcomes are delivered in-time for the Tokyo 2020 campaign: http://forum.insidesport.com.au/2614821/ALeague-to-consider-FIFA-breaks-and-player-loan-system-between-clubsAnd IF two new expansion teams join the league for the 2019/20 season, as we expect/were promised they should, then more Tokyo 2020 eligible players should be seeing regular A-League action, via the new teams and loan moves. The Tokyo 2020 qualifying tournament kicks off January 2020, I think - so during this exact period, two years from now.
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+x+x+x+xSo another youth team not doing well in Asia, in fact its the 4th national youth team to fail to get out of the group stage in an AFC event since 2016... The alarm bells would surely be getting louder at FFA HQ. Our Olympic campaign for 2020 is already off to a bad start based how important the seeding is for doing well here. Alright if I use this stat? Check the wiki to be sure, but i remember correctly the 2016 teams all failed to make it out of the group stages, the joeys came dead last whilst the last olyroos and young socceroos teams missed out. I'll available a gander now. It's 2014 by my reckoning. If you don't include the AFF tournament. That was the u17s in 2014.
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Is there a young player out there in the ether that anyone is genuinely excited about? I mean kewell/viduka levels of excitement? Honestly cannot think of one player.
Forget about broken development systems etc... Tennis & Basketball had been shot in this country for the last decade and have still been able to produce a Ben Simmons and a Nick Kyrgios [the two most exciting young Australian sportsman at the moment].
Where is Football's contribution?
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+xIs there a young player out there in the ether that anyone is genuinely excited about? I mean kewell/viduka levels of excitement? Honestly cannot think of one player. Forget about broken development systems etc... Tennis & Basketball had been shot in this country for the last decade and have still been able to produce a Ben Simmons and a Nick Kyrgios [the two most exciting young Australian sportsman at the moment]. Where is Football's contribution? De Siva has looked very good in the HAL, but I thought he underperformed in China.
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+xSo another youth team not doing well in Asia, in fact its the 4th national youth team to fail to get out of the group stage in an AFC event since 2016... The alarm bells would surely be getting louder at FFA HQ. Our Olympic campaign for 2020 is already off to a bad start based how important the seeding is for doing well here. Over the three games, we should've progressed to the next round based on balance of play, possession and territory, and chances created compared to the opposition. Our finishing was simply terrible, but everything else was okay, apart from some lapses of concentration in defence. Also, Milicic was shown up using Juric against Vietnam who did little with his service in the first half. Moreover, he should've had the team paying early balls to have Vietnam running towards their own goal defending. This would've also created greater distance between the Vietnamese lines. At all levels converting goals from chances created is the greatest issue ATM. Also, Asian keepers have improved Immeasurably.,
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+x+xIs there a young player out there in the ether that anyone is genuinely excited about? I mean kewell/viduka levels of excitement? Honestly cannot think of one player. Forget about broken development systems etc... Tennis & Basketball had been shot in this country for the last decade and have still been able to produce a Ben Simmons and a Nick Kyrgios [the two most exciting young Australian sportsman at the moment]. Where is Football's contribution? De Siva has looked very good in the HAL, but I thought he underperformed in China. I'm talking about a player 16 and up who is showing the potential to be a top young player in Europe by the time he is 21/22 years of age. I think De Silva has the time to become a good player by the time he reaches his mid 20's.
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+x+x+xIs there a young player out there in the ether that anyone is genuinely excited about? I mean kewell/viduka levels of excitement? Honestly cannot think of one player. Forget about broken development systems etc... Tennis & Basketball had been shot in this country for the last decade and have still been able to produce a Ben Simmons and a Nick Kyrgios [the two most exciting young Australian sportsman at the moment]. Where is Football's contribution? De Siva has looked very good in the HAL, but I thought he underperformed in China. I'm talking about a player 16 and up who is showing the potential to be a top young player in Europe by the time he is 21/22 years of age. I think De Silva has the time to become a good player by the time he reaches his mid 20's. The only player(s) i can think they might have that great potential is Arzani whom certain has that x-factor quality which is rare in Australian players and probably Pasquali whom is at Ajax, but then again im probably stretching it.
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+x+xIs there a young player out there in the ether that anyone is genuinely excited about? I mean kewell/viduka levels of excitement? Honestly cannot think of one player. Forget about broken development systems etc... Tennis & Basketball had been shot in this country for the last decade and have still been able to produce a Ben Simmons and a Nick Kyrgios [the two most exciting young Australian sportsman at the moment]. Where is Football's contribution? De Siva has looked very good in the HAL, but I thought he underperformed in China. De Silva was one but hes back in the a-league after his failed stint at a lower league dutch side...
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Uzbekistan "alleged" u23s 4-0 Japan, Is Japanese football in trouble ?
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+xUzbekistan 4-0 Japan, Is Japanese football in trouble ? If you trigger the in trouble catchphrase then it will require its own thread.
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+x+x+x+xIs there a young player out there in the ether that anyone is genuinely excited about? I mean kewell/viduka levels of excitement? Honestly cannot think of one player. Forget about broken development systems etc... Tennis & Basketball had been shot in this country for the last decade and have still been able to produce a Ben Simmons and a Nick Kyrgios [the two most exciting young Australian sportsman at the moment]. Where is Football's contribution? De Siva has looked very good in the HAL, but I thought he underperformed in China. I'm talking about a player 16 and up who is showing the potential to be a top young player in Europe by the time he is 21/22 years of age. I think De Silva has the time to become a good player by the time he reaches his mid 20's. The only player(s) i can think they might have that great potential is Arzani whom certain has that x-factor quality which is rare in Australian players and probably Pasquali whom is at Ajax, but then again im probably stretching it. Not sure i would call it a failed stint, he was a regular in the side and only really found himself on the outer due to circumstances
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There was a rumour that FIFA was going to merge the u17 and u20 world cup into a u18/u19 tournament with around 48 teams like the senior one in 2026. But for now, it seems it's going to go the stay the same format with the u17 going to be held in Peru and the u20 world cup going to be in Poland in 2019. Any news on camps or games with the Joeys and Young Socceroos this year? I haven't heard a peep from the FFA from the youth teams so far. Other countries have already started preparation for this. EDIT: A rumour the new format might in around 2020 on a yearly basis, unconfirmed by FIFA. 'After discussing the pros and cons of adopting a different strategy for the future of international youth competitions, the FIFA Council decided to stick to the existing structure of biennial U-17 and U-20 tournaments for both men and women' http://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/news/y=2018/m=3/news=fifa-council-decides-on-key-steps-for-the-future-of-international-competitions.html?cid=twitter_button
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+xThere was a rumour that FIFA was going to merge the u17 and u20 world cup into a u18/u19 tournament with around 48 teams like the senior one in 2026. But for now, it seems it's going to go the stay the same format with the u17 going to be held in Peru and the u20 world cup going to be in Poland in 2019. Any news on camps or games with the Joeys and Young Socceroos this year? I haven't heard a peep from the FFA from the youth teams so far. Other countries have already started preparation for this. EDIT: A rumour the new format might in around 2020 on a yearly basis, unconfirmed by FIFA. 'After discussing the pros and cons of adopting a different strategy for the future of international youth competitions, the FIFA Council decided to stick to the existing structure of biennial U-17 and U-20 tournaments for both men and women' http://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/news/y=2018/m=3/news=fifa-council-decides-on-key-steps-for-the-future-of-international-competitions.html?cid=twitter_button Is this a good move?
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+x+xThere was a rumour that FIFA was going to merge the u17 and u20 world cup into a u18/u19 tournament with around 48 teams like the senior one in 2026. But for now, it seems it's going to go the stay the same format with the u17 going to be held in Peru and the u20 world cup going to be in Poland in 2019. Any news on camps or games with the Joeys and Young Socceroos this year? I haven't heard a peep from the FFA from the youth teams so far. Other countries have already started preparation for this. EDIT: A rumour the new format might in around 2020 on a yearly basis, unconfirmed by FIFA. 'After discussing the pros and cons of adopting a different strategy for the future of international youth competitions, the FIFA Council decided to stick to the existing structure of biennial U-17 and U-20 tournaments for both men and women' http://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/news/y=2018/m=3/news=fifa-council-decides-on-key-steps-for-the-future-of-international-competitions.html?cid=twitter_button Is this a good move? As long as they're playing the tournament in the usual mid-year break (June/July), and not pulling players away from clubs for a month in January etc, then it has the potential to be a good move. Gives countries the opportunity to have their best U19 players in a competitive tournament every 12 months, and the really good players could get 3 or 4 tournaments under their belts before breaking into the senior side in their early 20's. My only concern is the timing of the tournament.
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+x+xThere was a rumour that FIFA was going to merge the u17 and u20 world cup into a u18/u19 tournament with around 48 teams like the senior one in 2026. But for now, it seems it's going to go the stay the same format with the u17 going to be held in Peru and the u20 world cup going to be in Poland in 2019. Any news on camps or games with the Joeys and Young Socceroos this year? I haven't heard a peep from the FFA from the youth teams so far. Other countries have already started preparation for this. EDIT: A rumour the new format might in around 2020 on a yearly basis, unconfirmed by FIFA. 'After discussing the pros and cons of adopting a different strategy for the future of international youth competitions, the FIFA Council decided to stick to the existing structure of biennial U-17 and U-20 tournaments for both men and women' http://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/news/y=2018/m=3/news=fifa-council-decides-on-key-steps-for-the-future-of-international-competitions.html?cid=twitter_button Is this a good move? There are cons and pros for this new format. A possible pro is it allows for the yearly world cup to happen which means increased exposure for us and emerging nations, how would it qualification work would be interesting. The con would be that the cut off date is after they turn 18 so it means any talented kid or later developer that's over this age might miss out on their development which also means they miss out on international exposure until u21/23s. If FIFA do go on this route i hope they ditched the Olympics event and use that to create a u23 world cup as there is a big gap between the ages 15 to 23 even with this new format.
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If anyone wants to know Sydney FC's u18 side are going to play in the Future Cup in Holland up against the likes of Ajax, PSG and Sporting Lisbon.
Hopefully, a stream gets popped up, their first game is on tonight against PSG.
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Highlights from Ajax U17 vs Sydney FC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52qQPrDA8fs Ajax won 2-0. Not sure how many chances SFC had or how much of a reflection on the game the result was.
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Based on those highlights it doesn't look great, did not mention any chance on goal if they had one.
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Great experience for young players. Wish we had more of this.
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