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+xRyan GK1Vukovic GK2Langerak GK3Sainsbury CBDegenek CBWilliams or Jurman CBMilligan CB/DMRisdon RBGrant RBBehich LBGersbach LBLuongo DM/CMMooy DM/CMAmini or Mcgree CMIrvine CM/AMRogic AMPetratos AM/WGoodwin WMabil WBoyle W/SLeckie W/SNabbout S/WMaclaren STo keep an eye onDeng, Dougall, Jeggo, Ikonomidis, Folami, Taggart, Giannou Ikonomidis could be a bolter ... can play as an AM too I am pretty sure. I think Deng will be lucky to make it (don't see him displacing any of those you have listed, and not sure they'll take that many defenders). Dougall I think is injured, so might just be wrong time for him unfortunately. I'd have Jeggo, Amini, McGree all above Irvine as a CM/AM role (probably slot Ikonomidis and Nabbout in that role before him too). They are all better on the ball and passing then him. Irvines biggest assets are his pressure (Amini out shined him against Lebanon in these stakes) and heading prowess (why I'd have Giannou in the squad ... who in your squad would be that target man??). However, neither are the key attributes I want for my AM when trying to play a possessive style (which they should against all Asian sides). I don't think Irvine suits the style Australia are trying to play unless he is a DM (which you've shown we have great depth there already). He is alright as a AM if we are going to park the bus (because of his pressure but he can't hold the ball up like Rogic did at the WC).
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sokorny
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+x+xWho are our strikers ... - Maclaren deserves an extended run IMO (maybe not starter but in the squad ... as long as keeps form at Hibs)
- Juric needs to re-earn his place IMO (has to be banging in the goals at club level and really bang on the doors)
- Giannou I really like as a player (think he is the stereotype forward we need ATM ... again would benefit from an extended run in the squad ... think he'd be a big positive against Asian opposition too)
- Nabbout is a good versatile option IMO (striker, winger or number 10)
- Taggart would really have to turn on the form and big time starting this weekend for Roar (has the quality but not showing atm
I would be taking Maclaren, Giannou (my two out and out strikers) and Nabbout to the Asian Cup. Taggart was brilliant about a year ago in the HAL - just before a long term injury. He is nowhere bear that form now. Giannou was decent against Kuwait, with a superb, well taken goal, but he didn't create enough other shots. Cahill averages about 5-6 per game. I just think Giannou might need an extended run ... he is in and out of the squad, so hasn't been able to get the confidence up IMO (feeling more part of the squad too he may be more encouraged to shoot ... I know many new players to an established team will try to be the team player when they start out until they earn their stripes to shoot more often). He also can present a bigger target up front than any of the others can ... which could be critical against Asian nations (look at the problems Cahill's leap caused them, or Kennedy used to cause teams ... I think Giannou is the only striker we have who could cause similar troubles in the air). His finish seems more polished than Juric, better with the ball at his feet and faster.
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Mr Cleansheets
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Nabbout can certainly jump.
I was near the fence at Oz v France in Kazan so could see how high he was jumping against the taller French defenders - and occasionally beating them. I reckon there was close to four feet between his boots and the ground on a couple of occasions. No wonder he keeps landing on his shoulder...
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Not sure this is the squad I would take to the Asian Cup - but it is the one I expect with Langerak the third keeper. Kruse and Milligan and possibly Vukovic to go after the Asian Cup or early WCQ. Azani when fit to replace Kruse in the squad. First XI ---------------------Ryan Risdon-----Sainsbury-------Milligan----Behich --------Luongo----------------Mooy-----------
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+xNot sure this is the squad I would take to the Asian Cup - but it is the one I expect with Langerak the third keeper. Kruse and Milligan and possibly Vukovic to go after the Asian Cup or early WCQ. Azani when fit to replace Kruse in the squad. First XI ---------------------Ryan Risdon-----Sainsbury-------Milligan----Behich --------Luongo----------------Mooy-----------
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-------------------Juric----------------- I'd been thinking of this formation and I'd love to see it experimented with -----------------------Ryan----------------------------- Risdon------Degenek-----Milligan----Behich Luongo-----Mooy Boyle--------Rogic----------Mabil Leckie That is definitely a pacey formation that uses all our best players. I think leckie at striker should be tried, ange had used him as a striker and in our last game leckie managed to score off a boyle assist. Also leckie has in fact scored more goals than tomi juric who's considered our best striker despite the fact he hasn't spent much time there. Now we have boyle and mabil we'll have better service. Have nabbout and maclaren as back up strikers on the bench. It might also be worth considering this --------------------Ryan------------------------
Risdon------Degenek-----Milligan----Behich Luongo-----Mooy Leckie--------Rogic----------Boyle Nabbout
See if nabbout out performs leckie as a striker. I think it's definitely worth trying and the emergence of Boyle and Mabil have definately added something extra to our side. Exciting times And I'd be happy to see sainsbury take milligans spot he's just a bit out of form at the moment. Needs to be match fit
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The thing is that the way GA is setting up the nominal wingers are playing more centrally and we are essentially playing with three strikers. The width comes from Risdon and Behich. More people in front of goal means more attempts which hopefully means more goals.
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+x+x+xAs I've looked at replays from both Australia's last games a few observations occurred. * Mabil was no better in his game against Lebanon as a starting player than Leckie or Kruse. The latter duo did more defensive work. * Kruse's shooting is shocking ATM compared to the rest of his skill set. I heard he has scored 1 goal from his last 35 Socceroo games! * Although the opposition was defending deep giving them a lot of time on the ball, Amini and Irvine didn't do a lot wrong. Amini displayed wonderful skill at times and has improved his ball winning and defensive work rate. This is pleasing. * Sains was better against South K. He might have run out of gas, from not being match fit against Lebanon. * Milligan has improved a as a heading duellist, winning many contests against taller players from South K. Australia realise on his composure on the ball. * Mooy was better as an attacking mid for Australia when he played for Melb City. His better position for the Socceroos is DM. His defensive work rate has improved. Mooy is quite slow off the mark, but has fast feet with the ball. * The only thing I cannot decipher with BVM is that he preferred Irvine to Luongo. Luongo is a decidedly better player. As a midfielder what he has over Milligan and Mooy is his ball carrying at speed, and 1v1 evasion ability at pace. * Degenek was much better, and more solid defensively as a CB than Sains against Lebanon. He hasn't got Sains or Millsy's distribution skills though. * Grant had a better game than I first thought against L. His jockeying is very good, demonstrating good balance . He may have a defensive edge over Risdon. * Milligan, Sains and Risdon read the game well, making quite a few intercepts. * Ryan and Vuka were both very good in goal. * Juric's progress since WSW is disappointing. From two guilt edged opportunities where a striker should have worked the keeper, he failed to get shots at goal. Giannou has more skill on the ball, and is the better striking option ATM. * Rogic and Mooy are combining better with Mooy as a DM. * Rogic is shooting a lot from range at goal, when he could play more assists (possibly to the likes of Kruse and Leckie who would miss anyway). * A lot of Behich's work going forwards with crosses and passes into the box often result in inaccurate crosses, or, his crosses aren't being read by forwards. Oar is a superior crosser. * Given Boyle is so new, he is reading balls into the box better than his teammates with more Socceroo experience. He may be in top form ATM, that won't last. * Boyle also lost the ball a few times, from defenders tackling him. * I was surprised at much bullocking work Leckie gets through. Both he, Mooy and Milligan are immensely strong for their size. * ATM I'd drop Sains for a Degenek/Milligan CB pairing. * I was alarmed at Maclaren not getting shots on goal. He did make the perfect run and finish for Kruse's offside cross though! * Arnie relied too much on a system with very high full backs against South K, and didn't adapt adequately to their counter to his tactics. I'll go into this in another post. Mabil didn't have the greatest game against Lebanon but at least he tried some tricks to beat opponents and ran at them, he is direct and that is what we are missing from the wings. It didn't come off in the last match but he definitely causes worry. It is also why Boyle has looked so good compared to what we had in the past, someone who just gets the ball and runs at defenders and if he has a half chance he goes for it because anything can happen. The strength and conditioning coach, Burgess, stated recently that Kruse and Leckie are the best athletes in the Socceroos. They not only have great speed, but the stamina to keep running hard - something Usain Bolt found difficult. Even though extremely fast, Bolt said track sprinting involved a lot of time between races. Bolt said he wasn't fit enough for football. This is what's wrong with the entire setup... yeah I get it they can run all day long... but can they do the basics? can they trap the ball? can they make a pass? can they actually look up when they are dribbling? can they shoot a target? if they can't do these things... then it doesnt matter how long they run for.. I get we wanna press from the front but fuck me dead.. its just crazy you got every bloke playing for socceroos they got all the gear.. the gps vests, the special recovery goggles the flashy boots, but some of the semi-pro's playing for lebanon were more skillful.
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So who ended up being better Rhyan or Risdon ? I don't know who played better ...
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Let's pray that Daniel Arzani makes a full recovery. If he does and also... If we can overlook the controversy of somebody who hadn't stepped foot in Australia being selected to represent the NT... I reckon Martin Boyle might as well just play up front. Who else can run at defenders and can finish chances? Sure he may not be a natural striker. But I think given how shit we are up front, his ability up there would translate well enough.
Things look unusually bright going forward. Post Asian Cup, I'm hoping that every match we start with
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Arzani--------------------------------Luongo--------------------------------Leckie
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Behich-----------------Sainsbury--------------Deng---------------------Risdon
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And virtually every match, Tom Rogic comes on at the hour mark. And maybe Awer Mabil, too.
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+xLet's pray that Daniel Arzani makes a full recovery. If he does and also... If we can overlook the controversy of somebody who hadn't stepped foot in Australia being selected to represent the NT... I reckon Martin Boyle might as well just play up front. Who else can run at defenders and can finish chances? Sure he may not be a natural striker. But I think given how shit we are up front, his ability up there would translate well enough. Things look unusually bright going forward. Post Asian Cup, I'm hoping that every match we start with -----------------------------------------Boyle------------------------------------------ Arzani--------------------------------Luongo--------------------------------Leckie ----------------------Mooy------------------------------Irvine------------------------- Behich-----------------Sainsbury--------------Deng---------------------Risdon --------------------------------------------Ryan----------------------------------------- And virtually every match, Tom Rogic comes on at the hour mark. And maybe Awer Mabil, too. I dunno whether Boyle looks tall or strong enough as a striker. I guess we could try him there but my gut feeling is that he would be more effective as a winger where he has more space to operate. The striker issue is just a bitch to solve. How much longer till we can nationalise bruno formation? Anyone know? He's 31 atm, heck even a 34 year old fornaroli would be better than what we've got. Maybe we ought consider playing like Spain at Euro 2012 without a striker and just overload our side with midfielders which we seem to have an awful lot of :lol: giannou, juric,maclaren,nabbout they're all shit nabbout or leckie for me but I understand that's not their natural position
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Ryan
Risdon/Sainsbury/Degenek/Behich
Mooy/Milligan
Leckie/Rogic/Mabil
Boyle
Boyle, Leckie and Mabil all switching.
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Funny Luongo keeps ending up in many people's lineups yet he can't get on the pitch under 2 managers so far.
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+xFunny Luongo keeps ending up in many people's lineups yet he can't get on the pitch under 2 managers so far. Only cos no Jedi mate.
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+x+x+xWho are our strikers ... - Maclaren deserves an extended run IMO (maybe not starter but in the squad ... as long as keeps form at Hibs)
- Juric needs to re-earn his place IMO (has to be banging in the goals at club level and really bang on the doors)
- Giannou I really like as a player (think he is the stereotype forward we need ATM ... again would benefit from an extended run in the squad ... think he'd be a big positive against Asian opposition too)
- Nabbout is a good versatile option IMO (striker, winger or number 10)
- Taggart would really have to turn on the form and big time starting this weekend for Roar (has the quality but not showing atm
I would be taking Maclaren, Giannou (my two out and out strikers) and Nabbout to the Asian Cup. Taggart was brilliant about a year ago in the HAL - just before a long term injury. He is nowhere bear that form now. Giannou was decent against Kuwait, with a superb, well taken goal, but he didn't create enough other shots. Cahill averages about 5-6 per game. I just think Giannou might need an extended run ... he is in and out of the squad, so hasn't been able to get the confidence up IMO (feeling more part of the squad too he may be more encouraged to shoot ...His finish seems more polished than Juric, better with the ball at his feet and faster. Just having a look at the Kuwait game again, Giannou is our current best target striker. The goal he scored was a beauty. It oozed class. I'm not sure why he wasn't playing against South K and Lebanon? Unless he is currently injured.
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+xFunny Luongo keeps ending up in many people's lineups yet he can't get on the pitch under 2 managers so far. It was the only thing that puzzled me in Bert's tenure.
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+xSo who ended up being better Rhyan or Risdon ? I don't know who played better ... Risdon.
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At this stage choosing Luongo over Rogic would be a calculated risk worth taking.
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Luongo is still an absolute gem. His worst game was vs Germany in Russia but quickly redeemed himself against Chile.
He was so good away to Honduras on that cow paddock. Full games against Colombia and Czech Republic with the former bringing a MOM performance. First half vs Hungary just fine only to get shafted all tournament in Russia.
Full 90 under Arnold against Kuwait and South Korea. It's actually a shame he wasn't picked up by a better club so soon after the Asian Cup. QPR have had terrible managers and don't particularly play a style he's suited too. How I'd want to turn back time and see him get signed to Italy somewhere in that player of the tournament form.
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+x+x+x+xWho are our strikers ... - Maclaren deserves an extended run IMO (maybe not starter but in the squad ... as long as keeps form at Hibs)
- Juric needs to re-earn his place IMO (has to be banging in the goals at club level and really bang on the doors)
- Giannou I really like as a player (think he is the stereotype forward we need ATM ... again would benefit from an extended run in the squad ... think he'd be a big positive against Asian opposition too)
- Nabbout is a good versatile option IMO (striker, winger or number 10)
- Taggart would really have to turn on the form and big time starting this weekend for Roar (has the quality but not showing atm
I would be taking Maclaren, Giannou (my two out and out strikers) and Nabbout to the Asian Cup. Taggart was brilliant about a year ago in the HAL - just before a long term injury. He is nowhere bear that form now. Giannou was decent against Kuwait, with a superb, well taken goal, but he didn't create enough other shots. Cahill averages about 5-6 per game. I just think Giannou might need an extended run ... he is in and out of the squad, so hasn't been able to get the confidence up IMO (feeling more part of the squad too he may be more encouraged to shoot ...His finish seems more polished than Juric, better with the ball at his feet and faster. Just having a look at the Kuwait game again, Giannou is our current best target striker. The goal he scored was a beauty. It oozed class. I'm not sure why he wasn't playing against South K and Lebanon? Unless he is currently injured. “I spoke to Giannou last night and explained to him why he wasn’t in the squad for this one,” said Arnold. “He did great for me in Kuwait but it’s more about me getting the opportunity to look at Jamie Maclaren and Andrew Nabbout. “It’s about me being able to tick every box with these players and giving them the opportunity. https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/socceroos/apostolos-giannou-has-been-left-out-of-graham-arnolds-latest-socceroos-squad/news-story/60332747ebf6c81630dcebb1a20c949fBy now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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Luongo's main problem has been positioning, he often isn't in place to defend against the cut back or the long shot
When he has the ball or is near an opponent with the ball he does well
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+xLuongo's main problem has been positioning, he often isn't in place to defend against the cut back or the long shot When he has the ball or is near an opponent with the ball he does well think your right.. when he plays for qpr(last time I saw anyways) he sits very deep almost like a sweeper and doesnt necessarily have to get up and down the pitch... which is what he use to do.. I think he's in a rut.. needs to move somewhere.. seeing him on the bench all the time is dissapointing.
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+x+x+x+x+xWho are our strikers ... - Maclaren deserves an extended run IMO (maybe not starter but in the squad ... as long as keeps form at Hibs)
- Juric needs to re-earn his place IMO (has to be banging in the goals at club level and really bang on the doors)
- Giannou I really like as a player (think he is the stereotype forward we need ATM ... again would benefit from an extended run in the squad ... think he'd be a big positive against Asian opposition too)
- Nabbout is a good versatile option IMO (striker, winger or number 10)
- Taggart would really have to turn on the form and big time starting this weekend for Roar (has the quality but not showing atm
I would be taking Maclaren, Giannou (my two out and out strikers) and Nabbout to the Asian Cup. Taggart was brilliant about a year ago in the HAL - just before a long term injury. He is nowhere bear that form now. Giannou was decent against Kuwait, with a superb, well taken goal, but he didn't create enough other shots. Cahill averages about 5-6 per game. I just think Giannou might need an extended run ... he is in and out of the squad, so hasn't been able to get the confidence up IMO (feeling more part of the squad too he may be more encouraged to shoot ...His finish seems more polished than Juric, better with the ball at his feet and faster. Just having a look at the Kuwait game again, Giannou is our current best target striker. The goal he scored was a beauty. It oozed class. I'm not sure why he wasn't playing against South K and Lebanon? Unless he is currently injured. “I spoke to Giannou last night and explained to him why he wasn’t in the squad for this one,” said Arnold. “He did great for me in Kuwait but it’s more about me getting the opportunity to look at Jamie Maclaren and Andrew Nabbout. “It’s about me being able to tick every box with these players and giving them the opportunity. https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/socceroos/apostolos-giannou-has-been-left-out-of-graham-arnolds-latest-socceroos-squad/news-story/60332747ebf6c81630dcebb1a20c949f This style or philosophy of 'looking at players' is completely bullshit. I mean what if one is playing more than the other. Serious, they play at their clubs and that should be enough to go on. Using this philosophy is unintellegent and potentially just makes it twice as hard to pick a player imo
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+x+xSo who ended up being better Rhyan or Risdon ? I don't know who played better ... Risdon. Yeah that would be my call only based on highlights of the Lebanon game. I did not watch the full match. Wish to god I watched both, Risdon has had similar games for Perth Glory, where he really bossed that position. Specifically, intercepting play, going forward and contributing to build up. Was a good surprise to hear he did in the NT.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWho are our strikers ... - Maclaren deserves an extended run IMO (maybe not starter but in the squad ... as long as keeps form at Hibs)
- Juric needs to re-earn his place IMO (has to be banging in the goals at club level and really bang on the doors)
- Giannou I really like as a player (think he is the stereotype forward we need ATM ... again would benefit from an extended run in the squad ... think he'd be a big positive against Asian opposition too)
- Nabbout is a good versatile option IMO (striker, winger or number 10)
- Taggart would really have to turn on the form and big time starting this weekend for Roar (has the quality but not showing atm
I would be taking Maclaren, Giannou (my two out and out strikers) and Nabbout to the Asian Cup. Taggart was brilliant about a year ago in the HAL - just before a long term injury. He is nowhere bear that form now. Giannou was decent against Kuwait, with a superb, well taken goal, but he didn't create enough other shots. Cahill averages about 5-6 per game. I just think Giannou might need an extended run ... he is in and out of the squad, so hasn't been able to get the confidence up IMO (feeling more part of the squad too he may be more encouraged to shoot ...His finish seems more polished than Juric, better with the ball at his feet and faster. Just having a look at the Kuwait game again, Giannou is our current best target striker. The goal he scored was a beauty. It oozed class. I'm not sure why he wasn't playing against South K and Lebanon? Unless he is currently injured. “I spoke to Giannou last night and explained to him why he wasn’t in the squad for this one,” said Arnold. “He did great for me in Kuwait but it’s more about me getting the opportunity to look at Jamie Maclaren and Andrew Nabbout. “It’s about me being able to tick every box with these players and giving them the opportunity. https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/socceroos/apostolos-giannou-has-been-left-out-of-graham-arnolds-latest-socceroos-squad/news-story/60332747ebf6c81630dcebb1a20c949f This style or philosophy of 'looking at players' is completely bullshit. I mean what if one is playing more than the other. Serious, they play at their clubs and that should be enough to go on. Using this philosophy is unintellegent and potentially just makes it twice as hard to pick a player imo Playing at their clubs when theyre playing different systems to the national team with different types of players around him and different setups makes a world of difference to how you actually play. Use the club form to get them into the squad but from there knowing if they actually gel into the squad is completely different- look at how different Mooy and Rogic play club and national team.
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+xThe thing is that the way GA is setting up the nominal wingers are playing more centrally and we are essentially playing with three strikers. The width comes from Risdon and Behich. More people in front of goal means more attempts which hopefully means more goals. this is really the problem we have had recently. as it is the fullbacks that have been our only, outlet we have resorted to crosses into the box from wide positions to "create" our chances. that is fine when you have the aerial threat of Cahill up front but is not really going to be high reward with our current crop of front players. none of them are really suited to this style of play so we will have heaps of balls into the box and "chances" but very low goals scored. the front 3 need early balls balls slipped through behind the more central defence from the 10 or 6 which just has not happened as he gaffer has us playing a more slow possession build up style. so we are forced back into the lofted balls into the box from our wing backs. this also doesn't really suite our "wingers" who tend to be more out and out wingers rather than narrow players. the best we have looked play wise was in the Asian cup where we played with out and out wingers and mostly 1 DM and really more 2 AM's where luongo was playing his more suited role of mobile box to box AM. since then we have reverted back to 2 DMs and have not looked anywhere near as good. Now more than ever i think we should be going back to that sort of play as we just do not have the aerial threat up front to sustain the slow possession build up leading to crosses from the wingbacks. we have a crop of out and out wingers (Leckie, Mabil, Boyle, Kruse) and creative players that can play the AMs (Rogic and Luongo) with Mooy covering the DM duties. our wing backs can get forward but they dont have to bomb on everytime to be the focal point of our attack. that should make us a bit less vulnerable to the counter and actually plays to the strengths of our strikers (mclaren, Juric, Gianou Nabout) where they dont have to compete for space up front or act as playmakers, just act as poachers.
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+x+x+x+x+xWho are our strikers ... - Maclaren deserves an extended run IMO (maybe not starter but in the squad ... as long as keeps form at Hibs)
- Juric needs to re-earn his place IMO (has to be banging in the goals at club level and really bang on the doors)
- Giannou I really like as a player (think he is the stereotype forward we need ATM ... again would benefit from an extended run in the squad ... think he'd be a big positive against Asian opposition too)
- Nabbout is a good versatile option IMO (striker, winger or number 10)
- Taggart would really have to turn on the form and big time starting this weekend for Roar (has the quality but not showing atm
I would be taking Maclaren, Giannou (my two out and out strikers) and Nabbout to the Asian Cup. Taggart was brilliant about a year ago in the HAL - just before a long term injury. He is nowhere bear that form now. Giannou was decent against Kuwait, with a superb, well taken goal, but he didn't create enough other shots. Cahill averages about 5-6 per game. I just think Giannou might need an extended run ... he is in and out of the squad, so hasn't been able to get the confidence up IMO (feeling more part of the squad too he may be more encouraged to shoot ...His finish seems more polished than Juric, better with the ball at his feet and faster. Just having a look at the Kuwait game again, Giannou is our current best target striker. The goal he scored was a beauty. It oozed class. I'm not sure why he wasn't playing against South K and Lebanon? Unless he is currently injured. “I spoke to Giannou last night and explained to him why he wasn’t in the squad for this one,” said Arnold. “He did great for me in Kuwait but it’s more about me getting the opportunity to look at Jamie Maclaren and Andrew Nabbout. “It’s about me being able to tick every box with these players and giving them the opportunity. https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/socceroos/apostolos-giannou-has-been-left-out-of-graham-arnolds-latest-socceroos-squad/news-story/60332747ebf6c81630dcebb1a20c949f Like Highkick, I'm perplexed over this thinking from Arnie. I suggest keeping Giannou around the squad.
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+xIn Ball Possession Opposition, Australia played a flat midfield 4-4-2 most of the time. On occasions it looked like a bowl shaped midfield 4-4-2, or a 4-2-4. ......X...............X................X..................X .....X.................X................X.................X ...............X..............................X In the South K game, they initially used a half press version of this 4-4-2 in BPO. That is, they kept this shape compact, and didn't really try that hard to win the ball back until the Socceroos went over the half way line. Later after the goal, when SK realised that Australia was playing with the two FBs so high up the pitch in Oz's Ball Possession, they increased the press to a Full Press. This is where a team tries to win the ball aggressively in the opponent's half. Without the width of the Oz FBs closer in a line with the CBs, South K was able to force more turnovers, as Oz struggled to play out with just 2 CBs and 2 DMs.
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+xThe thing is that the way GA is setting up the nominal wingers are playing more centrally and we are essentially playing with three strikers. The width comes from Risdon and Behich. More people in front of goal means more attempts which hopefully means more goals. Considering our weakness is our lack of quality strikers and our strength is our defence (more precisely our defensive midfielders) then shouldn't we be playing a more defensive game? I always thought playing to your strengths was the best way to achieve success.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWho are our strikers ... - Maclaren deserves an extended run IMO (maybe not starter but in the squad ... as long as keeps form at Hibs)
- Juric needs to re-earn his place IMO (has to be banging in the goals at club level and really bang on the doors)
- Giannou I really like as a player (think he is the stereotype forward we need ATM ... again would benefit from an extended run in the squad ... think he'd be a big positive against Asian opposition too)
- Nabbout is a good versatile option IMO (striker, winger or number 10)
- Taggart would really have to turn on the form and big time starting this weekend for Roar (has the quality but not showing atm
I would be taking Maclaren, Giannou (my two out and out strikers) and Nabbout to the Asian Cup. Taggart was brilliant about a year ago in the HAL - just before a long term injury. He is nowhere bear that form now. Giannou was decent against Kuwait, with a superb, well taken goal, but he didn't create enough other shots. Cahill averages about 5-6 per game. I just think Giannou might need an extended run ... he is in and out of the squad, so hasn't been able to get the confidence up IMO (feeling more part of the squad too he may be more encouraged to shoot ...His finish seems more polished than Juric, better with the ball at his feet and faster. Just having a look at the Kuwait game again, Giannou is our current best target striker. The goal he scored was a beauty. It oozed class. I'm not sure why he wasn't playing against South K and Lebanon? Unless he is currently injured. “I spoke to Giannou last night and explained to him why he wasn’t in the squad for this one,” said Arnold. “He did great for me in Kuwait but it’s more about me getting the opportunity to look at Jamie Maclaren and Andrew Nabbout. “It’s about me being able to tick every box with these players and giving them the opportunity. https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/socceroos/apostolos-giannou-has-been-left-out-of-graham-arnolds-latest-socceroos-squad/news-story/60332747ebf6c81630dcebb1a20c949f This style or philosophy of 'looking at players' is completely bullshit. I mean what if one is playing more than the other. Serious, they play at their clubs and that should be enough to go on. Using this philosophy is unintellegent and potentially just makes it twice as hard to pick a player imo Playing at their clubs when theyre playing different systems to the national team with different types of players around him and different setups makes a world of difference to how you actually play. Use the club form to get them into the squad but from there knowing if they actually gel into the squad is completely different- look at how different Mooy and Rogic play club and national team. Yeah.. agree somewhat. These players have been around long enough to be flexible to certain tactics. It's baffling that they need to adjust to anything. I would think if they are good enough for a certain position they should be playing it. Luongo anf Mooy DMs , Nabbout is known quantity by now, awesome striker, Goodwin likewise. It's like we DONT wnt goals or something. Giannou as Decentric was saying, intellegent around the box. (sigh)
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highkick05
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Alternatively, players like Taggart, Maclaren, even Juric to an extent. Just don't seem to be able to produce anything special. By that I mean, it's the NT shirt. You have to try and push yourself , get smart enough to either create an assist or fkn get yourself in a position to score.
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