Congratulations Sydney United - 50 years is longer than what most of the Current clubs in the Reebok League will last for - however at this stage this comment will be taken as an assumption

I believe that perth glory would get bigger crowds against Sydney United of old than their current attendances

hahaha a lot has been written since last time I signed in.
Violence at Sydney United, Melbourne Knights and Alemania games obviously happens...except it seems that only pantou and I want to admit it.
I'll accept Sydney United fans fight, act like idiots on occasions, dont assimilate and waste police resources like you said afroman. I'll even admit that there is an Ustase coat of arms on the Croatian church in St Johns Park and that most Croatians in Australian still support the Ustase.
Pantou gave an example of Germans doing very similar things(maybe the Croatians have more flares but it is still very similar). Why do these arguments have to extend 6 pages just because you wont admit that you're wrong or because you dont think there are racist Germans in Australia?

Edited by croat23: 9/12/2008 09:32:25 AM

PS> I have a feeling this Croatia thing is gonna resurface:

"The newest member is sydutd."

That would be in relation to the above post perhaps, hmm? 8-[

So your distinction is...what?? That making the gesture at the south end of telstra dome means it's different?? In that case, surely "Heil Alemania" would exclude this from the circumstance. Especially since - you'll like this - 'Alemania' is SPANISH for 'Germany'.


So what's your contention here?? That Richmond are the big bad wolves because they have tennuous ties to a country that people still view as the 'bad guy' but Preston aren't as bad?
I find the possessive pronoun ammusing too.

Edited by afromanGT: 9/12/2008 02:36:07 AM

OH FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! THAT'S POINTING TO THE OPPOSITE END!
Richmond fans salute and say "Heil Allemnia!" etc.

As for the fine, I'll try find the link, but I remember distinctly because it was handed down the same night that Preston lost 3 points for the same things; and that my captain got a 5 week ban.

"We're south end over here" *arm out*.

Linky.

Interesting. When did I do this exactly?

Me? When?

And for the record, Richmond were fined $5000 a couple of years back for crowd violence and flares by the FFV. :d

Until you go to the games; and witness aforementioned "Allemania" and "Arayan Race" chants; as well as the heil Fuhrer hand signal.

Away kits :-$

I'm not wrong. I'm just not right :-"

There's no red and yellow in Richmond's uniform?? Do your homework ;)

Everything but eh:-S I haven't seen any evidence of flairs being lit either. All I've heard about is a bit of name calling.

As for Richmond fans making a 'nazi' salute...You are aware that MVFC fans (yourself included) have been making that gesture when they chant for the last four years now...

Exactly. I agree the club historically WERE GERMAN. The difference with them and Sydney United is, Richmond have well and truly toned it down to the point where its unnoticeable. At least IMO.

I said merchandise. Historically their kits have incorporated all 4 colors.

Not Richmond anyway... They have black and white from what I can see. No red or yellow.

Well done, you chose one out of 4 colours. Now find me all the countries who incorporate White, Red, Black and Yellow in their uniform.


Not physical violence as such, but just about everything but it.

I think that's as close as I'm gonna get to you admitting you're wrong. I'll take it.

Iceland wear blue and Denmark wear red ;)

No clubs are squeaky clean. But Richmond are far from the worst team there is.

Physical violence spilling onto the field?? I dont' see it.

The jerseys are obviously just a historic thing - the club was once German, and so would have worn those colours. It actually seems pretty toned down to me. There are plenty of clubs I've played against with black and white anyway...

The other thing to remember is the size and stature of each club. Richmond are hardly going to get anywhere.

Wearing white is not a coincidence. England wear white, Denmark wear white, Iceland wear white, Russia wear white the USA wear white. Shit, even Real Madrid wear white.

It's not whether they're Nazi Extremists. I never said they were. It's that a club, with German Ties, that are obvious to see, are known to cause trouble, be racist, when you said .

Well, we found it.

You have actually lost the plot !
You started off saying that the Germans don't make this kind of trouble; now you are contradicting every second point that you make !
I'm actually unsure what you're trying to prove anymore, it's all over the shop.

So the Germans are trouble now, but that's OK coz so is everyone?

Funky mentioned AT LEAST 3 seperate "coincidences" there Afro. There are more.

You know what's it called when a whole number of things point to the same answer?

A fact.

Because every other club in the world is supported by little fucking angels aren't they?? Shit, The Squadron were waiting to flog the Sydney fans after the game on sunday and they have no enthic ties. You're clutching at straws.

Hence the point as to how fucking bollocks your argument is!! Just because they share the same kit colour as a country doesn't mean they associate with that club. My point before was that the blue and white (even the stripes) of the greek flag appear in the logo.

Point is, it's a conincidence. They're not Nazi extremists, it's simply a conincidence. The logo looks nothing like the damn balkenkreuz.

Fucking hell. Go back to my first point; that's EXACTLY what I said. They're not perceived as trouble because they're not REPORTED as trouble. And until you have seen it first hand, you don't see that they in fact ARE trouble.

German?

DING DING DING.
I think we have a winner Munky!

No, they're not. Otherwise they wouldn't have the backing of a German Club. Or wear colours similar to the German national colours. Or their fans wouldn't chant in German. When you put all the factors together, what do you get?

I don't recall ever hearing about Richmond fans being arrested from a race riot... :-k

Are you kidding?? The Green like the schwarzwald, the white like the german kid and the grey like the concrete streets of East Berlin...it's all about Germany!! ](*,)

Did I not explain contradiciton clearly enough before?

You can't say that South Melbourne are trumpeting their Greek background with their blue and white; and then use it AGAINST the same contention [-x

Edited by CharliePantou: 9/12/2008 01:57:22 AM