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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAt worse the next squad has to be dropping Shaun Marsh and bringing in Joe Burns (yes he had a bad shield knock but hes had consistency over the last few seasons) and drop Finch down the order. But knowing selectors theyll either go unchanged or bring in someone like Larkin or Maddison who dont have the consistency but just got some shield runs. I'd drop everyone with a first class average under forty and replace them with khawaja Burns White Pattison Harris Maxwell Marsh the only one with an average over 40 dropped since he never managed to step up to this level and Harris kept in on the basis of potential There's no hard and fast rules, but I am like you... I want to know solid reasons when someone who does not average 40 in FC is in a test team. England has finally realised that they are better off with all-rounders and wicket-keepers who average the same in FC as the batsmen who they tried before because they bring more to the team with the ball and often in the field as well... Well Head and Handscomb have a wicket keeping background, Handscomb more than Head. We do not have any allrounders who can bat anywhere near well enough. Marsh is probably the best we have and he is nowhere near good enough with the bat. You have to select the best batsmen available and there is hardly any quality around so if the best players are under 40 then there is no option. Harris has averaged over 40 over the last 3 seasons so is an improving batsman even though he his overall average is low. Head has just under performed at Shield level, he came into the SA side as a very young player and looked very promising, just could not get through the 90s early in his career. However he has not really improved on that early promise and his FC average is low. Playing the fake cricket shorter forms of the game has hurt his development. Oh look - not everyone has a Sam Curran running around. NZ doesn't. I would be all over him if we did. Sam Curran only averages 36, but he has multiple motm and a mots already with those runs. He scores them at 8, when the game is on the line. England has built a more than useful team out of spare parts. It is quite extra-ordinary. arguably pattison has a better 1st class record. Much better bowler and only a few runs weaker batsman Patto's a great cricketer. I'd have him in the team even if only 3 seamers :P I don't if Starc or Haze gets dropped. I'd have room for him... Or has he dropped his pace since pursuing this allrounder thing? still has a lot of pace not sure who you drop out of our current pace attack only you have to drop one. Perhaps rotate the other three. Starc for me. If his main attribute is pace then you have a ready made replacement in Pattinson. Patto also brings his other talents to the table. How many matches has he played without breaking down since his return. Question: Why has Cummins dropped his pace. Before his last injury.. his third stress one.. he was still express pace regularly clocking 150ks. Today he is the best part of 10ks slower than then. When he smashed ABDV, Kallis and Amla in 2013 in Safrica on his way to a 6 for not only was he quick but, swung the ball both ways and seamed it. Those back stresses have spoilt what could have been an exceptionally talented cricketer. Cummins has dropped his pace, he is mid 130's often. But he's doing well and getting results... He keeps it outside off, bowls back of a length as a stock ball, he has a plan. Starc just bowls whatever he feels like at the time. Still a good bowler. We had such hi hopes for this kid at 18/19 before his body began telling him he was given it too hard a time... He was going to ruffle the feathers of the best of the best batsmen.. Will Australian cricket ever see another tearaway in the Thommo, Lee, Cummins mould? Ashwin throws away his wicket now. Who thinks we can chase 350? I am not all that confident.
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+x+xPatterson out for 45 to Cooper who has 2 wickets. Not really the innings needed to push his case for selection. They'll probably give Moises another go, knowing selectors. The great all rounder, he is not a first class bowler, he is not a first class batsman, he is the great all round failure.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAt worse the next squad has to be dropping Shaun Marsh and bringing in Joe Burns (yes he had a bad shield knock but hes had consistency over the last few seasons) and drop Finch down the order. But knowing selectors theyll either go unchanged or bring in someone like Larkin or Maddison who dont have the consistency but just got some shield runs. I'd drop everyone with a first class average under forty and replace them with khawaja Burns White Pattison Harris Maxwell Marsh the only one with an average over 40 dropped since he never managed to step up to this level and Harris kept in on the basis of potential There's no hard and fast rules, but I am like you... I want to know solid reasons when someone who does not average 40 in FC is in a test team. England has finally realised that they are better off with all-rounders and wicket-keepers who average the same in FC as the batsmen who they tried before because they bring more to the team with the ball and often in the field as well... Well Head and Handscomb have a wicket keeping background, Handscomb more than Head. We do not have any allrounders who can bat anywhere near well enough. Marsh is probably the best we have and he is nowhere near good enough with the bat. You have to select the best batsmen available and there is hardly any quality around so if the best players are under 40 then there is no option. Harris has averaged over 40 over the last 3 seasons so is an improving batsman even though he his overall average is low. Head has just under performed at Shield level, he came into the SA side as a very young player and looked very promising, just could not get through the 90s early in his career. However he has not really improved on that early promise and his FC average is low. Playing the fake cricket shorter forms of the game has hurt his development. Oh look - not everyone has a Sam Curran running around. NZ doesn't. I would be all over him if we did. Sam Curran only averages 36, but he has multiple motm and a mots already with those runs. He scores them at 8, when the game is on the line. England has built a more than useful team out of spare parts. It is quite extra-ordinary. arguably pattison has a better 1st class record. Much better bowler and only a few runs weaker batsman Patto's a great cricketer. I'd have him in the team even if only 3 seamers :P I don't if Starc or Haze gets dropped. I'd have room for him... Or has he dropped his pace since pursuing this allrounder thing? still has a lot of pace not sure who you drop out of our current pace attack only you have to drop one. Perhaps rotate the other three. Starc for me. If his main attribute is pace then you have a ready made replacement in Pattinson. Patto also brings his other talents to the table. How many matches has he played without breaking down since his return. Question: Why has Cummins dropped his pace. Before his last injury.. his third stress one.. he was still express pace regularly clocking 150ks. Today he is the best part of 10ks slower than then. When he smashed ABDV, Kallis and Amla in 2013 in Safrica on his way to a 6 for not only was he quick but, swung the ball both ways and seamed it. Those back stresses have spoilt what could have been an exceptionally talented cricketer. Cummins has dropped his pace, he is mid 130's often. But he's doing well and getting results... He keeps it outside off, bowls back of a length as a stock ball, he has a plan. Starc just bowls whatever he feels like at the time. Still a good bowler. We had such hi hopes for this kid at 18/19 before his body began telling him he was given it too hard a time... He was going to ruffle the feathers of the best of the best batsmen.. Will Australian cricket ever see another tearaway in the Thommo, Lee, Cummins mould? This is the frustrating thing about Starc... He physically has the strength and pain threshold, just no stock ball... Cummins has a stock ball...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAt worse the next squad has to be dropping Shaun Marsh and bringing in Joe Burns (yes he had a bad shield knock but hes had consistency over the last few seasons) and drop Finch down the order. But knowing selectors theyll either go unchanged or bring in someone like Larkin or Maddison who dont have the consistency but just got some shield runs. I'd drop everyone with a first class average under forty and replace them with khawaja Burns White Pattison Harris Maxwell Marsh the only one with an average over 40 dropped since he never managed to step up to this level and Harris kept in on the basis of potential There's no hard and fast rules, but I am like you... I want to know solid reasons when someone who does not average 40 in FC is in a test team. England has finally realised that they are better off with all-rounders and wicket-keepers who average the same in FC as the batsmen who they tried before because they bring more to the team with the ball and often in the field as well... Well Head and Handscomb have a wicket keeping background, Handscomb more than Head. We do not have any allrounders who can bat anywhere near well enough. Marsh is probably the best we have and he is nowhere near good enough with the bat. You have to select the best batsmen available and there is hardly any quality around so if the best players are under 40 then there is no option. Harris has averaged over 40 over the last 3 seasons so is an improving batsman even though he his overall average is low. Head has just under performed at Shield level, he came into the SA side as a very young player and looked very promising, just could not get through the 90s early in his career. However he has not really improved on that early promise and his FC average is low. Playing the fake cricket shorter forms of the game has hurt his development. Oh look - not everyone has a Sam Curran running around. NZ doesn't. I would be all over him if we did. Sam Curran only averages 36, but he has multiple motm and a mots already with those runs. He scores them at 8, when the game is on the line. England has built a more than useful team out of spare parts. It is quite extra-ordinary. arguably pattison has a better 1st class record. Much better bowler and only a few runs weaker batsman Patto's a great cricketer. I'd have him in the team even if only 3 seamers :P I don't if Starc or Haze gets dropped. I'd have room for him... Or has he dropped his pace since pursuing this allrounder thing? still has a lot of pace not sure who you drop out of our current pace attack only you have to drop one. Perhaps rotate the other three. Starc for me. If his main attribute is pace then you have a ready made replacement in Pattinson. Patto also brings his other talents to the table. How many matches has he played without breaking down since his return. Question: Why has Cummins dropped his pace. Before his last injury.. his third stress one.. he was still express pace regularly clocking 150ks. Today he is the best part of 10ks slower than then. When he smashed ABDV, Kallis and Amla in 2013 in Safrica on his way to a 6 for not only was he quick but, swung the ball both ways and seamed it. Those back stresses have spoilt what could have been an exceptionally talented cricketer. Cummins has dropped his pace, he is mid 130's often. But he's doing well and getting results... He keeps it outside off, bowls back of a length as a stock ball, he has a plan. Starc just bowls whatever he feels like at the time. Still a good bowler. We had such hi hopes for this kid at 18/19 before his body began telling him he was given it too hard a time... He was going to ruffle the feathers of the best of the best batsmen.. Will Australian cricket ever see another tearaway in the Thommo, Lee, Cummins mould? Ashwin throws away his wicket now. Who thinks we can chase 350? I am not all that confident. No way, it is working perfectly for India. They are going to get bowled out at about the perfect score but if they had to declare they would have batted on. There is only one result going to happen, an India win.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAt worse the next squad has to be dropping Shaun Marsh and bringing in Joe Burns (yes he had a bad shield knock but hes had consistency over the last few seasons) and drop Finch down the order. But knowing selectors theyll either go unchanged or bring in someone like Larkin or Maddison who dont have the consistency but just got some shield runs. I'd drop everyone with a first class average under forty and replace them with khawaja Burns White Pattison Harris Maxwell Marsh the only one with an average over 40 dropped since he never managed to step up to this level and Harris kept in on the basis of potential There's no hard and fast rules, but I am like you... I want to know solid reasons when someone who does not average 40 in FC is in a test team. England has finally realised that they are better off with all-rounders and wicket-keepers who average the same in FC as the batsmen who they tried before because they bring more to the team with the ball and often in the field as well... Well Head and Handscomb have a wicket keeping background, Handscomb more than Head. We do not have any allrounders who can bat anywhere near well enough. Marsh is probably the best we have and he is nowhere near good enough with the bat. You have to select the best batsmen available and there is hardly any quality around so if the best players are under 40 then there is no option. Harris has averaged over 40 over the last 3 seasons so is an improving batsman even though he his overall average is low. Head has just under performed at Shield level, he came into the SA side as a very young player and looked very promising, just could not get through the 90s early in his career. However he has not really improved on that early promise and his FC average is low. Playing the fake cricket shorter forms of the game has hurt his development. Oh look - not everyone has a Sam Curran running around. NZ doesn't. I would be all over him if we did. Sam Curran only averages 36, but he has multiple motm and a mots already with those runs. He scores them at 8, when the game is on the line. England has built a more than useful team out of spare parts. It is quite extra-ordinary. arguably pattison has a better 1st class record. Much better bowler and only a few runs weaker batsman Patto's a great cricketer. I'd have him in the team even if only 3 seamers :P I don't if Starc or Haze gets dropped. I'd have room for him... Or has he dropped his pace since pursuing this allrounder thing? still has a lot of pace not sure who you drop out of our current pace attack only you have to drop one. Perhaps rotate the other three. Starc for me. If his main attribute is pace then you have a ready made replacement in Pattinson. Patto also brings his other talents to the table. How many matches has he played without breaking down since his return. Question: Why has Cummins dropped his pace. Before his last injury.. his third stress one.. he was still express pace regularly clocking 150ks. Today he is the best part of 10ks slower than then. When he smashed ABDV, Kallis and Amla in 2013 in Safrica on his way to a 6 for not only was he quick but, swung the ball both ways and seamed it. Those back stresses have spoilt what could have been an exceptionally talented cricketer. Cummins has dropped his pace, he is mid 130's often. But he's doing well and getting results... He keeps it outside off, bowls back of a length as a stock ball, he has a plan. Starc just bowls whatever he feels like at the time. Still a good bowler. We had such hi hopes for this kid at 18/19 before his body began telling him he was given it too hard a time... He was going to ruffle the feathers of the best of the best batsmen.. Will Australian cricket ever see another tearaway in the Thommo, Lee, Cummins mould? Ashwin throws away his wicket now. India know they probably have enough runs, just throwing the bat now, try to get to 350 ASAP.
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Game is interestingly poised.
This could be a thriller.
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well well well I reckon australia probably a 15% chance in this test
They have shown a lot of fight with bat and ball in spite of the deficiencies in talent
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lyon on a hatrick
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that was a pretty good ball for the shami wicket
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is shami injured? If so that probably lifts our chances slightly
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+xGame is interestingly poised. This could be a thriller. I think it is probably 50 runs too far with our quality of batting. Ashwin is going to run through us on this pitch day 4-5
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warne sledging the indian commentator here haha
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36 extras, absolutely ridiculous. Thanks starc
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starc has to come off i think
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+x36 extras, absolutely ridiculous. Thanks starc a little bit of sloppiness in this game from starc, finch and marsh. Also the use of the DRS small differences but not out of it
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+x+x+x+xPattinson is not an all rounder, he is a bowler who can bat reasonably well. Just because a batsman can bat reasonably well does not make them an all rounder. A true all rounder makes the team in one discipline and goes at least very close to making the team in the second discipline. Sobers, Miller, Botham, Kapil Dev all would have been picked for one discipline even if they had been terrible batsmen or could not bowl. It is nonsense to say player is an all rounder just because they can do the other discipline to a handy level. He is trying to become an all-rounder. Hence pursuing. But there's batting all-rounders like Sobers and Kallis, and bowling allrounders like Dev, Cairns, Flintoff, Hadlee, Imran, hybrids - like Botham (Miller was a great bowler who rarely bowled and batted high despite a low batting average). What's Holder? He is definitely an allrounder. What type - I do not know - he's the second best batsman and bowler in the WI team.. He started as a bowler, now he's half the team... Ali, Stokes, Curran - are they batsmen? No. They're not bowlers.... They're most definitely allrounders... I consider Ashwin and Jadeja allrounders. They aint making the team as batsmen. But they are allrounders. They score match winning and saving runs regularly. I would rather say he is trying to improve his batting. All tail enders should be doing so and I think batsmen should be trying to bowl something so that can bowl a few overs when required. Glenn McGrath was a terrible batsman but he tried to improve his batting as well. Mark Waugh was nothing special as an off spinner yet he bowled quite a bit at times when the wicket was flat or spin friendly. The likes of Martyn, Lehmann, Clarke, Border, Katich, Bevan, Steve Waugh, Blewett could all bowl a bit, some better than others but it was handy to have them available for a few overs at times. They were not all rounders, none of them. Bevan played as a top 4 bowler for Australia in tests when Tubby was not scoring runs. I can give you a link to several tests of this. There's quite a few... Steve Waugh started as an allrounder very much so. He was competing with Greg Mathews for the spot. Mark Waugh was very much an ODI allrounder at the start - seam up fast medium # 3 bowler... Blewett I think may have been tried as an allrounder, just not a good one... But Patto wants the #7 spot as a bowling allrounder, but he could do the same role at 8 (if he's good enough)... I know Bevan played as a spinner. Steve Waugh started out as an attempted all rounder, he never really succeeded, he became a batsman who bowled a little, largely because he quite often got injured bowling. Greg Matthews actually averaged over 40 as a test match batsman, but was not considered a good enough batsman, he also was not good enough as a bowler. He would be the second best batsman in the current team. Mark Waugh was quite sharp as a bowler, much quicker than his brother, early in his career but he gave it up to save his back. I was more referring to the majority of his career when he bowled his off spin. Blewett was a handy part timer who could take a few wickets. I think he took some wickets in a test match in Hobart off the top of my head but definitely not an all rounder. Pattinson needs to bowl well first and foremost, he has been bad in the current shield match. The batting is just an added bonus.
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+xwell well well I reckon australia probably a 15% chance in this test They have shown a lot of fight with bat and ball in spite of the deficiencies in talent The bowling was terrible at the start of the day but Lyon has got it right too late and run through them a bit.
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323 needed to win
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wow what a finish from australia
If Shami is 100% probably 15% chance
if he's out of the bowling probably 30% since we can tire them out
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+x+xwell well well I reckon australia probably a 15% chance in this test They have shown a lot of fight with bat and ball in spite of the deficiencies in talent The bowling was terrible at the start of the day but Lyon has got it right too late and run through them a bit. Lyon bowled well through out i felt, was very unlucky early and some poor field placements. Our pace bowlers were rubbish the 2nd innings though, they did nothing.
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+x+x+x+x+xPattinson is not an all rounder, he is a bowler who can bat reasonably well. Just because a batsman can bat reasonably well does not make them an all rounder. A true all rounder makes the team in one discipline and goes at least very close to making the team in the second discipline. Sobers, Miller, Botham, Kapil Dev all would have been picked for one discipline even if they had been terrible batsmen or could not bowl. It is nonsense to say player is an all rounder just because they can do the other discipline to a handy level. He is trying to become an all-rounder. Hence pursuing. But there's batting all-rounders like Sobers and Kallis, and bowling allrounders like Dev, Cairns, Flintoff, Hadlee, Imran, hybrids - like Botham (Miller was a great bowler who rarely bowled and batted high despite a low batting average). What's Holder? He is definitely an allrounder. What type - I do not know - he's the second best batsman and bowler in the WI team.. He started as a bowler, now he's half the team... Ali, Stokes, Curran - are they batsmen? No. They're not bowlers.... They're most definitely allrounders... I consider Ashwin and Jadeja allrounders. They aint making the team as batsmen. But they are allrounders. They score match winning and saving runs regularly. I would rather say he is trying to improve his batting. All tail enders should be doing so and I think batsmen should be trying to bowl something so that can bowl a few overs when required. Glenn McGrath was a terrible batsman but he tried to improve his batting as well. Mark Waugh was nothing special as an off spinner yet he bowled quite a bit at times when the wicket was flat or spin friendly. The likes of Martyn, Lehmann, Clarke, Border, Katich, Bevan, Steve Waugh, Blewett could all bowl a bit, some better than others but it was handy to have them available for a few overs at times. They were not all rounders, none of them. Bevan played as a top 4 bowler for Australia in tests when Tubby was not scoring runs. I can give you a link to several tests of this. There's quite a few... Steve Waugh started as an allrounder very much so. He was competing with Greg Mathews for the spot. Mark Waugh was very much an ODI allrounder at the start - seam up fast medium # 3 bowler... Blewett I think may have been tried as an allrounder, just not a good one... But Patto wants the #7 spot as a bowling allrounder, but he could do the same role at 8 (if he's good enough)... I know Bevan played as a spinner. Steve Waugh started out as an attempted all rounder, he never really succeeded, he became a batsman who bowled a little, largely because he quite often got injured bowling. Greg Matthews actually averaged over 40 as a test match batsman, but was not considered a good enough batsman, he also was not good enough as a bowler. He would be the second best batsman in the current team. Mark Waugh was quite sharp as a bowler, much quicker than his brother, early in his career but he gave it up to save his back. I was more referring to the majority of his career when he bowled his off spin. Blewett was a handy part timer who could take a few wickets. I think he took some wickets in a test match in Hobart off the top of my head but definitely not an all rounder. Pattinson needs to bowl well first and foremost, he has been bad in the current shield match. The batting is just an added bonus. Pretty sure when Mark started with the offies, he bowled his first spell seam up, then came back on with the offies... He may have had back problems... but I am sure he did the both in the early 90's...
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+x+x+xPatterson out for 45 to Cooper who has 2 wickets. Not really the innings needed to push his case for selection. They'll probably give Moises another go, knowing selectors. The great all rounder, he is not a first class bowler, he is not a first class batsman, he is the great all round failure. Ditto. He and Watson are two peas in the same all rounder pod. Both promised so much too as youngsters.
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+x+x+x+xPatterson out for 45 to Cooper who has 2 wickets. Not really the innings needed to push his case for selection. They'll probably give Moises another go, knowing selectors. The great all rounder, he is not a first class bowler, he is not a first class batsman, he is the great all round failure. Ditto. He and Watson are two peas in the same all rounder pod. Both promised so much too as youngsters. The funny thing is if Henriques gets another 16 runs on this SCG road he has two tons for the year. Joining only, Hughes, Larkin and Cooper to have done that. Funny game cricket...and no mistake. Hughes has now put up his name after a slow start to the season. Unlike Moie he has put in several solid shield seasons on the trot. So add Cooper and Hughes to the possibles for Third Test.
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Finch should have been walking back to the sheds.. and probably out of the side but the giant man overstepped. A cardinal sin at this level.
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+xFinch should have been walking back to the sheds.. and probably out of the side but the giant man overstepped. A cardinal sin at this level. I do rate Finch but he should bat lower down the order, the new ball gives him a few too many problems.
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This may not be the most talented oz team I've ever seen but from time to time under Langer they've shown a bit of heart
we'll need it today and tomorrow
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+x+xFinch should have been walking back to the sheds.. and probably out of the side but the giant man overstepped. A cardinal sin at this level. I do rate Finch but he should bat lower down the order, the new ball gives him a few too many problems. his first class is mid 30s baffling to me that he is in the team tbh
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+x+x+xFinch should have been walking back to the sheds.. and probably out of the side but the giant man overstepped. A cardinal sin at this level. I do rate Finch but he should bat lower down the order, the new ball gives him a few too many problems. his first class is mid 30s baffling to me that he is in the team tbh Because hes mad a bag of runs the last few seasons batting 4/5 (I think its either high 40s but may be ticking 50). Hes also an experienced player and a leader which we sorely lack.
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+x+xFinch should have been walking back to the sheds.. and probably out of the side but the giant man overstepped. A cardinal sin at this level. I do rate Finch but he should bat lower down the order, the new ball gives him a few too many problems. If we lose the first two tests heads should roll. You would think Finch needs at least a solid 70 or 80 from here to hold his place. That pretty much applies to all out batsmen.
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rotating the strike sucks all the energy out of a bowling attack
1s are more important than 4s in test
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