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+xThe Whitten Oval likely wasn’t considered as they would have had the same outcome as what occurred for Team 11.Kardinia Park is a much better stadium, which has been renovated significantly over the past decade, but the whittern oval is no where near that level.The FFA would consider everything from corporate facilities, lighting and video screens, which would be sub-optimal at the Whitten Oval. At this rate though, looking at the news about not yet having a deal to play at Kardinia Park, the Whittern Oval would likely be wise to be discussed as an option. It would at least make more sense geographically. Does Werribee have a facility? that would make more sense
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+x+xWhat are the thoughts on team name, badge, colours etc? I think Western Melbourne FC actually sounds good with some nickname that links to the area, but with Western Sydney, South West Sydney, Western Melbourne and Central Coast it sounds like we are just naming teams after directions. But I guess alienating it to a specific area (particular when they will be playing in Geelong initially) is not a good idea. They can't keep going for the generic names, central coast and western Sydney work, they appear to have clear boarders but western Melbourne doesnt. There really isn't a broader name for anything west of the yarra and i don't think people are going to relate to a name like wyndham. Someone did say something like Westgate fc... but i do know that's taken, but that never stopped Melbourne city. It needs to be non specific, but something people can relate to. Call it You Yangs FC. You can see them from geelong and maybe from tarneit... if you climb a tree That could actually work. The You Yangs are iconic for the whole outer west area. I feel it will be Wyndham something as that has a connection to the whole area not just Tarniet.
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+x+xThe Whitten Oval likely wasn’t considered as they would have had the same outcome as what occurred for Team 11.Kardinia Park is a much better stadium, which has been renovated significantly over the past decade, but the whittern oval is no where near that level.The FFA would consider everything from corporate facilities, lighting and video screens, which would be sub-optimal at the Whitten Oval. At this rate though, looking at the news about not yet having a deal to play at Kardinia Park, the Whittern Oval would likely be wise to be discussed as an option. It would at least make more sense geographically. Does Werribee have a facility? that would make more sense Not really. Chirnside Park is the only one and it's not really up to scratch. At least Whitten is currently used to broadcast AFLW and VFL matches.
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+x+xThe Whitten Oval likely wasn’t considered as they would have had the same outcome as what occurred for Team 11.Kardinia Park is a much better stadium, which has been renovated significantly over the past decade, but the whittern oval is no where near that level.The FFA would consider everything from corporate facilities, lighting and video screens, which would be sub-optimal at the Whitten Oval. At this rate though, looking at the news about not yet having a deal to play at Kardinia Park, the Whittern Oval would likely be wise to be discussed as an option. It would at least make more sense geographically. Does Werribee have a facility? that would make more sense Avalon Airport Oval (Chirnside Park Oval) is right in the centre of Werribee town. It's only recently been upgraded and is actually owned by Whydham Council. Werribee Tigers play in the VFL there and it is used for cricket over the summer, but it is council owned so I guess they could move the cricket somewhere else. It has a small grandstand and undercover terrace area and decent facilities for small size crowds (1000-2000). They are going to use it for AFLW this coming season. The lighting is good enough for VFL night games. Similar to Casey Fields, it would not be appealing to the FFA, but temporary stands could possible be brought in. Williamstown's Burbank Oval also used for VFL would be of a slightly better quality but not A-League standard.
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So Everyone's Agreed West Melbourne Group is going to be a huge success!
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+xThis club will struggle to get fans from areas like St Albans , Sunshine or Footscray, as it is easier to get into AAMI Park or Marvel Stadium than to Tarneit. The whole temporary base in Geelong part makes it even worse for connecting to their target market.The Western Suburbs may have 1.5 million or so in its broader region, and it is certainly growing significantly, but one can realistically maybe count a quarter of that as a realistic zone at this stage.As for the transport to the stadium, the Vic Govt announced prior to the election a Western Rail Plan that would see extra likes and a move towards electrification to Wydhamvale. As the stadium will be between Tarneit and Wydhamvale, a station has been proposed for that area in the original RRL line project for the future, so it could easily happen.At the end of the day, one wonders what this will end up looking like as a club. It just seems to be a situation that they will be on the back foot for a few years, hoping desperately that their stadium turns around their fortunes. Relying on a smaller market like Geelong to fill the stadium will be hard work. I can tell you as someone who grew up in St Albans and still lives a few kms away - it is completely Victory heartland. Doubt there'd be many jumping ship. It's actually quicker for me to get to AAMI Park than to Tarneit/Wyndham. Even if it wasn't, I'd never jump ship. If they are targeting people from Melton, across to Tarneit, Werribee, etc, they are better off investing in a BBL team. Just looking at Census data, 17.6% of Tarneit is Indian. There are many from Pakistan and Sri Lanka there too. http://quickstats.censusdata.abs.gov.au/census_services/getproduct/census/2016/quickstat/SSC22439?opendocument
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So they should merge with the Melbourne renegades and just play big bash? West Melbourne renegades gives them a greater point of difference to Melbourne stars.
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+x+xThe Whitten Oval likely wasn’t considered as they would have had the same outcome as what occurred for Team 11.Kardinia Park is a much better stadium, which has been renovated significantly over the past decade, but the whittern oval is no where near that level.The FFA would consider everything from corporate facilities, lighting and video screens, which would be sub-optimal at the Whitten Oval. At this rate though, looking at the news about not yet having a deal to play at Kardinia Park, the Whittern Oval would likely be wise to be discussed as an option. It would at least make more sense geographically. I get that the FFA/Fox want attractive stadiums for their broadcasts, but an empty stadium looks so much worse on TV than an older stadium with a packed crowd. Just look at how bad Roar games look on the TV. The AFLW uses Whitten Oval and they get much higher crowds than what we can expect from WMG. Maybe it would be a good option to host half the games at Whitten. Many people simply won't want to travel to Geelong. Maybe the lower profile matches (eg: Nix, Mariners, Jets) could be hosted at Whitten. It's going to look shit no matter where they play. I get people are trying to find positives, but let's dwell on how bad this decision is for a while longer. Bids like Canberra, Woolongong, South Melbourne and South West Sydney - bids that had rectangular stadiums in the regions they represent, ready to go - all could've come in next season. This is so dumb, it's so fucking dumb. The competition is struggling and they add a team that's going to struggle for the next 4-5 years, at least, because they offered the most money upfront. It's painful to think about. If we were an established competition like the AFL, and we could afford to bring in a struggling team because it meant a new stadium in 5 years in a growth region, sure. But obviously we're not. It's a bad decision, I only hope the league can withstand it. Fuck we put our supporters through so much shit.
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I struggle to find many positives from this too. I’m in the west and realise how bad this decision is.
As pointed out before, the demographics of the Wyndham area are now skewed in Football’s favour. The subcontinent are cricket mad, which makes up a fair chunk of that area these days.
The growth of the west will be big, but they need to survive the 10-15 years before much of those tangible benefits can be realised.
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The only sensible option temporarily is to wave some cash as Melbourne Knights and put a temporary stand on the outer wing at Somers St.
Would bring the seating capacity to be about 8k and overall 12k or so. Perfect outcome for its infant years.
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Also they would be odds on at targeting Adrian Leijer. He's originally from Geelong and at least would represent the area.
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Knights stadium has terrible PT access. Not really something I think would be wise.
It’s also right in the heart of Victoryland, making it hard to see that being remotely viable.
Using Avalon Airport Stadium in Werribee may well have been an early plan, but the FFA would have made it clear that it was not going to be looked at favorably.
Whichever way you turn looking for positives, there are t many from this decision.
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+x+x+xThe Whitten Oval likely wasn’t considered as they would have had the same outcome as what occurred for Team 11.Kardinia Park is a much better stadium, which has been renovated significantly over the past decade, but the whittern oval is no where near that level.The FFA would consider everything from corporate facilities, lighting and video screens, which would be sub-optimal at the Whitten Oval. At this rate though, looking at the news about not yet having a deal to play at Kardinia Park, the Whittern Oval would likely be wise to be discussed as an option. It would at least make more sense geographically. I get that the FFA/Fox want attractive stadiums for their broadcasts, but an empty stadium looks so much worse on TV than an older stadium with a packed crowd. Just look at how bad Roar games look on the TV. The AFLW uses Whitten Oval and they get much higher crowds than what we can expect from WMG. Maybe it would be a good option to host half the games at Whitten. Many people simply won't want to travel to Geelong. Maybe the lower profile matches (eg: Nix, Mariners, Jets) could be hosted at Whitten. It's going to look shit no matter where they play. I get people are trying to find positives, but let's dwell on how bad this decision is for a while longer. Bids like Canberra, Woolongong, South Melbourne and South West Sydney - bids that had rectangular stadiums in the regions they represent, ready to go - all could've come in next season. This is so dumb, it's so fucking dumb. The competition is struggling and they add a team that's going to struggle for the next 4-5 years, at least, because they offered the most money upfront. It's painful to think about. If we were an established competition like the AFL, and we could afford to bring in a struggling team because it meant a new stadium in 5 years in a growth region, sure. But obviously we're not. It's a bad decision, I only hope the league can withstand it. Fuck we put our supporters through so much shit. Not to mention that people in Melbourne are highly critical. If something isn't done properly we will disregard it immediately. Heart was the perfect example of this. The FFA got it completely wrong then and it was evident from day one that people were never going to fully support the club. Docklands stadium is another example of this. No one in Melbourne likes it. And not just from a football point of view, AFL people don't like it either. It doesn't even face the right way, so it is incredibly difficult to maintain the grass. It's widely discussed that when the AFL take full ownership in 2025 that they will seriously consider demolishing it. It's definitely going to be an uphill battle for WMG. Not only do they need to nail the branding/colours, they also need to match (or exceed) the spending of MV right from day one. Any club in Victoria will always be compared to MV. MV are the benchmark expectation of what a club should offer in Melbourne. Anything less and the people won't be interested.
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So are there any supporters of this team in this forum?
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Marvel Stadium is owned by the AFL now.
It will benefit from a significant government backed investment program too, which is certainly not unusual in the Emperor’s territory of the AFL, otherwise known as Melbourne .
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are they trying to stitch up the Melbourne Knights by claiming they will be owning the first football purpose only stadium? Arrogance will not be this franchises friend...suggest Horvat pulls his head in.
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+x+x+x+x[quote]Lol from Lara perhaps - you're not getting those times from Central Geelong and further south. Not to mention, there is no train station at the stadium site, so rail travel is moot in the discussion. I don't know how to post screenshots here, but if you went to the PTV site and punched Geelong to Tarneit into the journey planner, it says 31 minutes (35 minutes to South Geelong wwhere Kardinaia Park is located). admmittedly trains aren't as frequent on weekends (every 40 minutes i think), but that will change once the line is lectrified and quadruplicated. And there will be a train station at the site, thats why this specific site was chosen. [/quot Jesus Christ, how much money are guys trying to fleece the State Government for!?! Now you're relying on them to not only upgrade the infrastructure around the 'proposed' stadium site, you require them to electrify AND quadruple the Geelong line to get fans to your games!? There already exists government plans to build a Metro line to Wyndham Vale whether this bid had got up or not. The government wants to cut down Geelong train travel times by allowing V/Line trains to run express from Wyndham Vale to Sunshine. Part of this plan is to build new Metro stations at Davis Rd and Sayers Rd. It would make all the difference to getting to this new 15k stadium especially for the youth market. The question is when and if this Metro line will be built (?). Past history in Victoria has seen sporting comps building stadium out in the sticks get burnt by broken state government promises. The then VFL built Waverley Park out in the middle of nowhere in Melbourne's growing south-east because the 1960s Bolte state government promised them a new railway out to Mulgrave and Rowville. We're still waiting 50 years later for this railway line while the AFL got fed up waiting in the 1990s and sold Waverley Park off to fund Docklands back in the more PT accessible CBD. Didn't John Cain screw the VFL (at the time) because he was a MCC member and the VFL's ultimate pln was a 150k stadium and all GF's would be played there?
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+xThe only sensible option temporarily is to wave some cash as Melbourne Knights and put a temporary stand on the outer wing at Somers St. Would bring the seating capacity to be about 8k and overall 12k or so. Perfect outcome for its infant years. Re Gallop at yesterdays presser Kept talking about ' the look ' that the FFA wants. No A-league games at low standard stadiums and on low standard surfaces
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+xare they trying to stitch up the Melbourne Knights by claiming they will be owning the first football purpose only stadium? Arrogance will not be this franchises friend...suggest Horvat pulls his head in. 1st "world class" stadium and facilities. Knights stadium is a dump.
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+x+xThe Whitten Oval likely wasn’t considered as they would have had the same outcome as what occurred for Team 11.Kardinia Park is a much better stadium, which has been renovated significantly over the past decade, but the whittern oval is no where near that level.The FFA would consider everything from corporate facilities, lighting and video screens, which would be sub-optimal at the Whitten Oval. At this rate though, looking at the news about not yet having a deal to play at Kardinia Park, the Whittern Oval would likely be wise to be discussed as an option. It would at least make more sense geographically. I get that the FFA/Fox want attractive stadiums for their broadcasts, but an empty stadium looks so much worse on TV than an older stadium with a packed crowd. Just look at how bad Roar games look on the TV. The AFLW uses Whitten Oval and they get much higher crowds than what we can expect from WMG. Maybe it would be a good option to host half the games at Whitten. Many people simply won't want to travel to Geelong. Maybe the lower profile matches (eg: Nix, Mariners, Jets) could be hosted at Whitten. Soesn't Whitten Oval broadcast from the facilities side of the ground? Any broadcast would have good vision of Gordon St and no vision of spectators in the background. Also, the Bulldogs will be training there when it is wanted for use. +x+xThe Whitten Oval likely wasn’t considered as they would have had the same outcome as what occurred for Team 11.Kardinia Park is a much better stadium, which has been renovated significantly over the past decade, but the whittern oval is no where near that level.The FFA would consider everything from corporate facilities, lighting and video screens, which would be sub-optimal at the Whitten Oval. At this rate though, looking at the news about not yet having a deal to play at Kardinia Park, the Whittern Oval would likely be wise to be discussed as an option. It would at least make more sense geographically. Does Werribee have a facility? that would make more sense In a short answer - No. More on that below... +xI saw somewhere (it might have been in relation to the info night) someone suggest the name Three Rivers FC after the Maribyrnong, Werribee and Barwon Rivers in an attempt to cover all the areas they are trying to represent. I actually think Three Rivers FC isn't a bad name. Good call whoever threw that up. +x+x+xThe Whitten Oval likely wasn’t considered as they would have had the same outcome as what occurred for Team 11.Kardinia Park is a much better stadium, which has been renovated significantly over the past decade, but the whittern oval is no where near that level.The FFA would consider everything from corporate facilities, lighting and video screens, which would be sub-optimal at the Whitten Oval. At this rate though, looking at the news about not yet having a deal to play at Kardinia Park, the Whittern Oval would likely be wise to be discussed as an option. It would at least make more sense geographically. Does Werribee have a facility? that would make more sense Avalon Airport Oval (Chirnside Park Oval) is right in the centre of Werribee town. It's only recently been upgraded and is actually owned by Whydham Council. Werribee Tigers play in the VFL there and it is used for cricket over the summer, but it is council owned so I guess they could move the cricket somewhere else. It has a small grandstand and undercover terrace area and decent facilities for small size crowds (1000-2000). They are going to use it for AFLW this coming season. The lighting is good enough for VFL night games. Similar to Casey Fields, it would not be appealing to the FFA, but temporary stands could possible be brought in. Williamstown's Burbank Oval also used for VFL would be of a slightly better quality but not A-League standard. Avalon Airport Oval on the surface seems a likely candidate. There are a few issues at play though: - Werribee Football Club (VFL) are kings here. While it is a council-owned venue currently WFC is the biggest show in town and they will have a big say in whatever goes on here
- Werribee has been touted as one of the new district cricket clubs (along with Melton and and Plenty Valley) if and when Premier Cricket expands. If that does eventuate and it falls Werribee's way (I think both Werribee and Melton will be taken in eventually) Werribee Cricket Club will want more of a presence than they already have at Avalon Airport Oval.
- There is no precedence for a VFL club or sub-district club being moved out of an oval for soccer (or any other sport) in Melbourne. If they were to push either side out WMG would erode any goodwill they have and the council can say goodbye to their jobs in the next round of elections
Burbank Oval will have very similar issues to Avalon Airport oval (cricket and football) plus broadcast will look really poor. The VFL coverage looks out over Port Phillip Bay. Add to this it is the windiest place on Earth and it really doesn't make for a good spot for sport full stop. Unfortunately in the western suburbs there are no real alternative facilities available. As others have said, Knights Stadium is probably the best option but if Melbourne Croatia are not keen to share then the only option left is Kardinia Park
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Seems a few on Reddit are keen for the team.
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+xi can tell you a few things. black and blue (a teal shaded blue) seems to have a bit of appeal to them. So does gold (due to the 19th century gold rush in the west of Victoria). What about' Eureka FC'? Gold and Black
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+x+xi can tell you a few things. black and blue (a teal shaded blue) seems to have a bit of appeal to them. So does gold (due to the 19th century gold rush in the west of Victoria). What about' Eureka FC'? Gold and Black Although they don't do it anymore, the North Terrace used Eureka flags right from the beginning of Melbourne Victory. I remember FFA actually banned the use of the Eureka flag for a while. For many the Eureka flag has an association with Melbourne Victory. Which ever identity WMG go for, it will need to be distinctly unique from Victory.
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+x+x+xi can tell you a few things. black and blue (a teal shaded blue) seems to have a bit of appeal to them. So does gold (due to the 19th century gold rush in the west of Victoria). What about' Eureka FC'? Gold and Black Although they don't do it anymore, the North Terrace used Eureka flags right from the beginning of Melbourne Victory. I remember FFA actually banned the use of the Eureka flag for a while. For many the Eureka flag has an association with Melbourne Victory. Which ever identity WMG go for, it will need to be distinctly unique from Victory. Simpsons did it
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+x+x+xi can tell you a few things. black and blue (a teal shaded blue) seems to have a bit of appeal to them. So does gold (due to the 19th century gold rush in the west of Victoria). What about' Eureka FC'? Gold and Black Although they don't do it anymore, the North Terrace used Eureka flags right from the beginning of Melbourne Victory. I remember FFA actually banned the use of the Eureka flag for a while. For many the Eureka flag has an association with Melbourne Victory. Which ever identity WMG go for, it will need to be distinctly unique from Victory. yeh, you're right, I remember that as well, about 10 years ago
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In all honesty the club would probably be more successful buying land and building a stadium around Keilor/Taylors Lakes/Sydenham area than they would out Tarneit way.
Double the support instantly, maybe even more than that.
You'd get your fans coming up from the Wyndham region anyway
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+x+xWhat are the thoughts on team name, badge, colours etc? I think Western Melbourne FC actually sounds good with some nickname that links to the area, but with Western Sydney, South West Sydney, Western Melbourne and Central Coast it sounds like we are just naming teams after directions. But I guess alienating it to a specific area (particular when they will be playing in Geelong initially) is not a good idea. I could live with 'Wyndham Vale FC'. With their nickname being 'The Valiants'. A bit like Port Vale FC in England But they wont be based in Wyndham vale . Which is about 7 ks down the road
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+x+xThe Whitten Oval likely wasn’t considered as they would have had the same outcome as what occurred for Team 11.Kardinia Park is a much better stadium, which has been renovated significantly over the past decade, but the whittern oval is no where near that level.The FFA would consider everything from corporate facilities, lighting and video screens, which would be sub-optimal at the Whitten Oval. At this rate though, looking at the news about not yet having a deal to play at Kardinia Park, the Whittern Oval would likely be wise to be discussed as an option. It would at least make more sense geographically. Does Werribee have a facility? that would make more sense Avalon airport oval which is in the middle of werribee.
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+xWhat about' Eureka FC'? Gold and Black having "Eureka" in the name has definitely been discussed. Black and Gold could also work as that is the traditional colours of sports teams from Werribee. But because they will be trying to gain a broader reach, those colours are probably unlikely.
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