Good analytical post, mate. 

You must’ve played a fair bit of cricket. 

It's not perplexing if you can pinpoint numerous examples of poor captaincy. In this series, there have been myriad horrendous captaincy decisions.

As for professional coaches around the NT... I defer to their judgment. Unfortunately, professional coaches aren't immune from stupidity. The dressing room during the Darren Lehmann years is quite a clear indication that those at the top are just as fallible as anybody else.

We know full well that Australian selectors have been making profound errors for years now. This latest omission of Mitchell Starc is such an example.

As for your point about Mitchell Marsh... I feel sorry for him. He shouldn't have been put in a position where he was picked for a team again and again and again despite not being at the level necessary. That's not his fault, it's the selectors' fault. He has been made a scapegoat for their stupidity. That's really worrying. It can have disastrous consequences on a person's psychological wellbeing. After his press conference, I'm worried he hasn't coped that well with the vitriol he received. Unsurprisingly. And it's tragic. Not least because he's a genuinely good person.

Again, we can blame the selectors for that.

Tim Paine is also a very good person. Cricket's just a sport. My criticism (and I hope the criticism of others) does not cross the boundary of becoming personal. But you can't expect people who are passionate about a sport to sit back and swallow terrible decision after terrible decision after terrible decision that the captain/coach/selectors makes.

If there's reason to be critical, then call a spade a spade. The spade is nothing more than a spade, either. No reasonable person genuinely dislikes these sportspeople or wishes them ill.

Similar story for most of the Aussie batsmen. In the past decade, there have only been three exceptions. Steve Smith, Marnus Labuschagne and Chris Rogers.

Basically every other Aussie batsman is technically flawed and/or mentally unfocused. If you have either or both of those traits, then you've got a lot of work to do in first-class cricket before you should be considered for Test cricket. The fact that almost all the Aussie batsmen have been this way for a decade is a very poor reflection on Australian batting.

The majority of the Aussie batsmen haven't had soft hands, haven't waited for the ball to come to them and haven't always played with a straight bat. They've thrown their hands at the ball and/or played across the line. It has been very costly.

The other telling thing is that two of the three who have succeeded (Rogers and Labuschagne) played County cricket. In Rogers' case, years and years of County cricket.

You'd think that the other numpties would learn. But no.

Cummins must be knackered. Can’t remember when the World Cup team got there, but it could’ve been May. That is a lot of high intensity international cricket for a pace bowler. 

Poms lead by 165 for 2 down. I don’t think we can come back from this. 

That poor captaincy, with an ostensible myriad of mistakes,  has resulted in Australia  retaining the Ashes for the first time in 18 years in England.  Th least time was 2001 under Waugh.

It has also been achieved with a pretty unsuccessful batting line up.

Agree about Lehmann's flaws as a coach, QF.

I posted Cummins pace was slowing Test after Test.

I was wrong.

It hasn't!

Poms at 2-100, Australia should have selected Patto or Starc over Sids. 

Bummer, Smith drops a hard hit slips catch off Lyon’s bowling. 

Very hard chance though. It went like a rocket off Stokes’ bat. 

Correlation or causation? I think Paine can be credited with making the Aussie dressing room a more pleasant place (albeit I suspect that there are a few bogans in there among the nicer blokes).

Is Paine the main reason that Australia retained the Ashes? You’re entitled to think so. But we’ll have to agree to disagree. I think the main reasons are (a) Smith has accomplished superhuman feats, (b) the quicks have been outstanding in almost every session and (c) this England batting line-up is truly mediocre.

We've dropped five catches over this Test!

I agree on a and b, QF.

The meticulous game plans devised by coaching staff, and the execution of them have been a huge factor though.

And another mistake from Paine. Doesn't review Denly for leg before. It would have been out.

This is farcical. England have definitely had the rub of the green with the umpiring decisions (especially Stokes leg before at Leeds). But Australia only have themselves to blame.

This is up there with the Shane Watson reviews when he used to be plumb lbw. How are the Aussies so terrible at reviewing?

Marsh had an LBW appeal that must have hit the wicket. How much, we don’t know. Paine didn’t review it, because it could’ve been umpire’s call. 

Reviewing the right one that has a chance of being overturned, is now a new part of the game. Paine has struggled with it. 

Poms have got far more umpiring decisions going their way than Australia. 

At 210 behind for the loss of 2 wickets, it is about time umps stopped favoring  the Poms and give us a few! 

This is a pretty good spell from Hazlewood. He has been unlucky not to get a wicket or two. 

Over this Ashes Ive been exercising self-control not stuffing myself in front of the TV with food! Two days to go for Ashes completion, and I'm stuffing myself. It adds to three social afternoons/evenings in a row drinking  craft beer with mates.

We've had many close shaves for English wickets, but no luck! Labu just nearly bowled Stokes.

Labu is getting the ball to spin, but he doesn't get much dip or loop.  His wrist spinners are a bit flat. 

How unlucky are we? Labuschagne got one to spit up off the pitch at 40 revolutions that Stokes snicked but just fell short of Bancroft. 

I’m going to bed. 

We are stuffed with the Poms 270 ahead for the loss of only 2 wickets. 

I’ve been exercising my self-control to stop my self throwing furniture at the TV

Poor Joe Denly. He batted well. It would have been quite the feel-good story if he got his maiden Test century in his 30s, playing in the Ashes.

You'd say he will bat at the top of the order for England when they tour NZ, on the basis of what he has produced.

In commentary, Shane Warne and Nasser Hussain doing a post-mortem of Australia's decisions in this match. Warney was staggered that Australia put England in to bat and that, in this match, they opted for Siddle.

You can pinpoint key moments in the series when Australia made decisions that stopped them from winning the series. Be it selections, toss, DRS.

well Paine has managed to be worse at the drs than carey and cummins/siddle/hazelwood have all had a really poor test by their standards. Siddle the biggest surprise since he was rested

Lets hope we finish the game and series with a bit of fight

I don't despise him, nor hate him, but I am gobsmacked that you are gobsmacked. 

I simply feel he is overrated by the media, when his numbers do not stack up at all. He is the benefactor of marketing. Which I think is one thing you possibly do not seem to understand about cricket commentary, since the Packer generation, cricket has been sold to us by the media. We are told constantly we are following someone great, so we keep being the audience. We pay their bills and the player bills by reading, listening, watching and subscribing. I am not in their intended target audience of their soundbites and marketing, cos I will watch cricket - even if it is ordinary teams, with ordinary players, with a dull result looming. I don't need to be sold cricket, I bought all-in a long time ago. And I follow and love a team that is one of the weakest in history! 

But I ask you, how does Broad averaging 34 away from home qualify as very good? It doesn't. It is the same criticism that will haunt Anderson, Jadeja, Ashwin. Bullies at home, but questionable away records.

Sure Broad may average 27 in England, but have a look at what the likes of the far more innocuous Boult average there (23). 23.5 for Mike's favorite maligned bowler in H. So you can tell he presumably won't be buying into the Broad story as a great neither. And if its a case that Broad is on a career incline so as to be so good, for direct head to head comparison, Anderson is well in the lead, enabling Broad opportunity to skate off coat tails. Anderson averaged 15 in 2016 summer, Broad 27, Anderson averaged 14 in 2017, Broad averaged 36, Anderson averaged 18 in 2018, Broad averaged 28. The shootouts between Pakistan, India and SA that England came out unscathed from was all about Anderson's bowling. Not Broad's. The allrounders' bowling of Sam Curran averages less than 20 in England. And the regularly dropped in England Woakes at 23.18! And these guys are hardly great bowlers: Woakes averages 60 away, and Sam Curran over 100, as they struggle for any effectiveness away from home. Even TRJ totally outbowled Broad in 2017 averaging just 19 in England.

I just don't see how a comparison of leading player records, Broad comes out as a great or even very good. Broad has great conditions to bowl in with a Dukes for more than half his games, but even then his results just doesn't stack up well to all the visiting bowlers, let alone his own team mates!

Broad is in the contest to be the WORST bowler with 400 wickets. 

Will take an almost miracle Aus to win this from here (but they do have a wizard in Smith who is probably capable of such things -but who will bat with him to break the back of a mammoth chase), or rain to save it. 

Aus got three 3 wickets with the second new ball to keep themselves within totally batted out point. England have a 382 run lead, and if Curran, Buttler and Woakes had not fallen, would have been in a position to set 500, with over 1.5 days to bowl Aus out. 

Australia still with a slight sniff, however unlikely it is to conjure up. 

Only Ben Stokes has managed a century all series for England. Root's drying up of runs is a continued worry for England. And there's only two team things they can do to help. Move him back down to 4 or hide him in his best spot at 5, or unburden Root of the captaincy. Which he wants to keep. Bairstow with yet another failure, has to be staring down the barrel, with Foakes and Buttler around. 

there is the familiarity of the conditions and also how you respond to the crowds. Its not an easy thing

Harmison for a fast bowler is a bit of a softie and struggled away from home. Crowds targeted broad in oz

some can handle unfamiliarity and hostile crowds, some can't

it seems that home advantage is getting stronger in the modern game too

none of this means they aren't class players, just means when you have special players that can perform anywhere appreciate it for how rare it is

Agree with all of the above for factors explaining home and away records. But I think there is more at play for England seam bowlers having very favourable conditions at home, that very ordinary bowlers like Sam Curran can still exploit and be lethal, at home, when we all know they're going to continue to be rubbish overseas. We see it, because of all the visiting bowlers who do very very very well in England, far better than Broad ever has. 

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
AN Cook (ENG)	2008-2018	71	2	3.0	0	7	1	1/6	1/6	7.00	2.33	18.0	0	0
Z Khan (INDIA)	2011-2011	1	1	13.3	8	18	2	2/18	2/18	9.00	1.33	40.5	0	0
OP Stone (ENG)	2019-2019	1	1	12.0	3	29	3	3/29	3/29	9.66	2.41	24.0	0	0
TJ Murtagh (IRE)	2019-2019	1	2	27.0	5	65	6	5/13	6/65	10.83	2.40	27.0	1	0
GH Vihari (INDIA)	2018-2018	1	2	10.3	1	38	3	3/37	3/38	12.66	3.61	21.0	0	0
Iftikhar Ahmed (PAK)	2016-2016	1	2	4.2	1	13	1	1/1	1/13	13.00	3.00	26.0	0	0
Mohammad Abbas (PAK)	2018-2018	2	3	57.0	18	142	10	4/23	8/64	14.20	2.49	34.2	0	0
MD Shanaka (SL)	2016-2016	1	1	13.0	3	46	3	3/46	3/46	15.33	3.53	26.0	0	0
MR Marsh (AUS)	2015-2019	4	8	73.3	18	235	15	5/46	7/86	15.66	3.19	29.4	1	0
MR Adair (IRE)	2019-2019	1	2	27.4	8	98	6	3/32	6/98	16.33	3.54	27.6	0	0
JP Faulkner (AUS)	2013-2013	1	2	27.4	4	98	6	4/51	6/98	16.33	3.54	27.6	0	0
JC Archer (ENG)	2019-2019	4	7	140.0	32	380	22	6/45	8/85	17.27	2.71	38.1	2	0
KS Williamson (NZ)	2013-2015	4	7	54.3	9	167	9	3/15	4/117	18.55	3.06	36.3	0	0
RJ Harris (AUS)	2013-2013	4	8	162.1	37	470	24	7/117	9/187	19.58	2.89	40.5	2	0
TS Roland-Jones (ENG)	2017-2017	4	8	89.2	23	334	17	5/57	8/129	19.64	3.73	31.5	1	0
SM Curran (ENG)	2018-2019	7	12	118.5	22	376	19	4/74	5/92	19.78	3.16	37.5	0	0
PJ Cummins (AUS)	2019-2019	5	10	209.0	60	557	28	4/32	7/103	19.89	2.66	44.7	0	0
KTGD Prasad (SL)	2014-2014	1	2	42.0	8	125	6	5/50	6/125	20.83	2.97	42.0	1	0
PVD Chameera (SL)	2016-2016	1	1	17.0	0	64	3	3/64	3/64	21.33	3.76	34.0	0	0
RJ Sidebottom (ENG)	2008-2008	4	8	179.0	50	435	20	6/67	7/116	21.75	2.43	53.7	1	0
JM Anderson (ENG)	2008-2019	68	129	2502.5	690	6853	308	7/42	11/71	22.25	2.73	48.7	18	3
WB Rankin (IRE)	2019-2019	1	2	20.0	2	91	4	2/5	4/91	22.75	4.55	30.0	0	0
IE O'Brien (NZ)	2008-2008	2	3	66.0	15	185	8	4/74	4/74	23.12	2.80	49.5	0	0
TA Boult (NZ)	2013-2015	4	8	182.0	43	486	21	5/57	9/164	23.14	2.67	52.0	2	0
CR Woakes (ENG)	2013-2019	19	36	511.0	116	1623	70	6/17	11/102	23.18	3.17	43.8	3	1
VD Philander (SA)	2012-2017	6	12	200.5	52	518	22	5/30	7/78	23.54	2.57	54.7	1	0
JR Hazlewood (AUS)	2015-2019	8	15	273.2	61	849	36	5/30	9/115	23.58	3.10	45.5	1	0
TAM Siriwardana (SL)	2016-2016	1	2	15.2	0	72	3	2/35	3/72	24.00	4.69	30.6	0	0
SR Thompson (IRE)	2019-2019	1	2	16.5	1	74	3	3/44	3/74	24.66	4.39	33.6	0	0
HH Pandya (INDIA)	2018-2018	4	6	64.1	7	247	10	5/28	6/50	24.70	3.84	38.5	1	0
Sohail Khan (PAK)	2016-2016	2	4	87.4	9	325	13	5/68	7/207	25.00	3.70	40.4	2	0
CT Tremlett (ENG)	2011-2011	4	8	161.0	39	475	19	6/48	7/114	25.00	2.95	50.8	1	0
G Onions (ENG)	2009-2009	5	9	123.1	20	503	20	5/38	7/102	25.15	4.08	36.9	1	0
UT Yadav (INDIA)	2018-2018	1	2	24.0	3	76	3	2/20	3/76	25.33	3.16	48.0	0	0
CH Morris (SA)	2017-2017	2	4	42.5	5	206	8	3/38	5/45	25.75	4.80	32.1	0	0
JJ Bumrah (INDIA)	2018-2018	3	6	133.2	31	363	14	5/85	7/122	25.92	2.72	57.1	1	0
Mohammad Amir (PAK)	2010-2018	10	18	350.4	74	1007	38	6/84	6/84	26.50	2.87	55.3	2	0
B Kumar (INDIA)	2014-2014	5	7	172.5	45	506	19	6/82	6/103	26.63	2.92	54.5	2	0
SCJ Broad (ENG)	2008-2019	77	147	2619.2	586	8081	301	8/15	11/121	26.84	3.08	52.2	12	2
DL Vettori (NZ)	2008-2008	3	4	117.2	20	323	12	5/66	6/177	26.91	2.75	58.6	2	0
SPD Smith (AUS)	2013-2019	14	10	39.0	5	137	5	3/18	4/83	27.40	3.51	46.8	0	0
BW Hilfenhaus (AUS)	2009-2009	5	9	180.5	40	604	22	4/60	5/80	27.45	3.34	49.3	0	0

Broad is just not that impressive. And series after series is shown up by inferior bowlers. Intl players like Pandya and Obrien, local English bowlers (who are really naturaly batting allrounders both) like Curran and Woakes, these guys are not very good test bowlers. Yet they outshine him on results. Broad's whole career has been he was fortunate not to get injured, while other's did. TRJ, Tremlett (who was awesome in Aus too), had careers wrecked with injury. Jones should have been bowling when Broad started. 

filter out all the low statistics (1-2 matches) and there are some class bowlers above him. He's pretty decent, probably gillespe class imo