The A-league Expansion Thread


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Look, the Only areas to expand to next, have to be from any of : Brisbane/Ipswich /Redcliffe, Aukland, SE Melbourne or a second Perth team (Football West perhaps).
Players (in consultation with their spouses/families) should be polled where they would desire go to live, in order to have multiple options in a given city and play for a team as well. This will help end alot of senseless opinion going around, and this would create a drive to expand there.
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Bocca - 18 Oct 2019 12:05 PM
Canberra will be team 13 (that is already known...), Brisbane Stikers will be team 14 IMO. That Chinese mob would not be investing millions in the Strikers unless they were planning to play in the A-league.

I’m inclined to think the same Bocca especially with Canberra the shoe in for #13. 
The only thing the Strikers need to sort out is expanding Perry Park which I know has been discussed on here and has its apparent challenges.

Maybe Redcliffe is the smoky for Qld as it least it has a suitable stadium that’s receiving constant upgrades.
I’m sure they’d love a full time summer tenant to justify the upgrades.
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aussie pride - 20 Oct 2019 1:50 PM
Bocca - 18 Oct 2019 12:05 PM

I’m inclined to think the same Bocca especially with Canberra the shoe in for #13. 
The only thing the Strikers need to sort out is expanding Perry Park which I know has been discussed on here and has its apparent challenges.

Maybe Redcliffe is the smoky for Qld as it least it has a suitable stadium that’s receiving constant upgrades.
I’m sure they’d love a full time summer tenant to justify the upgrades.

CCM were set up with that in mind (ie. Stadium available with limited use) and we know that has been a challenge, so likely not the best idea for a decision making process.

i think the Strikers would be a great entry if they can get an upgrade of their stadium. Still think that the Roar should be looking at alternatives also though as Suncorp is not well suited to its needs.
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I went to the WU home game yesterday had some fun despite not having a interest really in the club, I don’t really follow a a league team as such but got into the game and cheered when they scored of course. Sucked about the crowd felt empty for such a big stadium credit to the western service though lots of noise for such few people there and were loud throughout the match. Still feel like it would of got a bigger crowd if it was called Geelong United or something 
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Heart_fan - 20 Oct 2019 2:26 PM
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CCM were set up with that in mind (ie. Stadium available with limited use) and we know that has been a challenge, so likely not the best idea for a decision making process.

i think the Strikers would be a great entry if they can get an upgrade of their stadium. Still think that the Roar should be looking at alternatives also though as Suncorp is not well suited to its needs.

I honestly don’t know what the answer is in Brisbane/QLD. 

You can make a case for or against any of the possible candidates and all will have the same issues - stadium, current low support, little corporate backing, etc. 

right now I doubt there would even be any consensus over which 2, 3 or possibly 4 teams would go in to the NSD let alone which one would go to the HAL. 

Perry Park is not owned by Strikers so it’s not theirs to redevelop - but it could be although Brisbane City or any other second Brisbane side could play there. 

Strikers have just taken some investment from a Chinese group, locally it’s 50/50 whether this is a good thing or not, it got a bit of press but lacked specifics 
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Waz - 20 Oct 2019 3:44 PM
Heart_fan - 20 Oct 2019 2:26 PM

I honestly don’t know what the answer is in Brisbane/QLD. 

You can make a case for or against any of the possible candidates and all will have the same issues - stadium, current low support, little corporate backing, etc. 

right now I doubt there would even be any consensus over which 2, 3 or possibly 4 teams would go in to the NSD let alone which one would go to the HAL. 

Perry Park is not owned by Strikers so it’s not theirs to redevelop - but it could be although Brisbane City or any other second Brisbane side could play there. 

Strikers have just taken some investment from a Chinese group, locally it’s 50/50 whether this is a good thing or not, it got a bit of press but lacked specifics 

I really think that a few clubs should get together and form a Brisbane United - In an ideal world Olympic, City, Lions and Strikers could sit down and share the costs of running the team and pool their resources and play out of Perry Park.  Whether they can all sit in the same room without killing each other is another story. Something similar was going to happen way back when the NSL kicked and Lions had been granted a spot, but City bailed and went it alone. 
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When the current Foxtel deal expires, where is the money going to come from? No TV Network will pay anything close to what Foxtel has?
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thekingmb - 22 Oct 2019 6:31 PM
When the current Foxtel deal expires, where is the money going to come from? No TV Network will pay anything close to what Foxtel has?

FFA spends nowhere near 100% of that money on AL.
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thekingmb - 22 Oct 2019 6:31 PM
When the current Foxtel deal expires, where is the money going to come from? No TV Network will pay anything close to what Foxtel has?

The problem for Foxtel is that they are putting billions into AFL, NRL, Cricket and cars but it isn't providing any growth and there isn't really any possible growth because they are already mature audiences and the playing pool cant really get any better, they are already the best in the world.




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we've done our dash with FTA and Fox
best case scenario is we get with optus or a new player for similar money

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scott20won - 22 Oct 2019 6:36 PM
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FFA spends nowhere near 100% of that money on AL.

And neither it should.  The broadcast money covers some international games and the FFA Cup which are FFA revenue earners.  
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thekingmb - 22 Oct 2019 6:31 PM
When the current Foxtel deal expires, where is the money going to come from? No TV Network will pay anything close to what Foxtel has?

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Remo Nogarotto@RNogarotto·Replying to @Ralph_Barba @TheJogoBonito and @FFAMy dear Amigo rest assured there is much good work happening to bring the dream of a NSD to expression. Still a long way to go and some of the issues, largely around economics, are going to be challenging to say the least, but frankly it is an idea whose time has come.
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bettega - 27 Oct 2019 12:03 PM
Remo Nogarotto@RNogarotto·Replying to @Ralph_Barba @TheJogoBonito and @FFAMy dear Amigo rest assured there is much good work happening to bring the dream of a NSD to expression. Still a long way to go and some of the issues, largely around economics, are going to be challenging to say the least, but frankly it is an idea whose time has come.

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bettega - 27 Oct 2019 12:03 PM
Remo Nogarotto@RNogarotto·Replying to @Ralph_Barba @TheJogoBonito and @FFAMy dear Amigo rest assured there is much good work happening to bring the dream of a NSD to expression. Still a long way to go and some of the issues, largely around economics, are going to be challenging to say the least, but frankly it is an idea whose time has come.

Remo Nogarotto, FFS, what a waste of space. Corrupt as. I remember having dealings with him in his time at Marconi. Shonky as.
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https://twitter.com/WeAreTeam11/status/1192350917867143170?s=20
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Team 11 plan to have their admin base built here. Confirm they're still bidding for the A-league and/or interested in the Second Division, in the replies.

I'd like to see them in as team 15 or 16.


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Glory Recruit - 8 Nov 2019 12:42 AM
https://twitter.com/WeAreTeam11/status/1192350917867143170?s=20
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Team 11 plan to have their admin base built here. Confirm they're still bidding for the A-league and/or interested in the Second Division, in the replies.

I'd like to see them in as team 15 or 16.


With Melbourne’s booming sprawling population particularly in the already established south east I’m a very firm believer this bid would and will be a success in its on niche playing in Dandenong.
Might never reach Victory or Wanderers levels but it’s more the pathways for our youth that we need to cover these types of regions.

WU will have the outer West and some of Geelong.
Team 11 has the South East, Peninsula and Gippsland.
Victory and City fight over the north, inner east and inner west.
South Melb fighting for its right in the top tier via second division.

That would see Victoria covered for the next 30 years unless Geelong went it alone via second tier.


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aussie pride - 8 Nov 2019 8:15 AM

WU will have the outer West and some of Geelong.
Team 11 has the South East, Peninsula and Gippsland.
Victory and City fight over the north, inner east and inner west.
South Melb fighting for its right in the top tier via second division.

That would see Victoria covered for the next 30 years unless Geelong went it alone via second tier.


sounds about right. although City should focus on the north, Victory focus on central Melbourne, and SM focus on bayside and the mornington peninsula. 
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Feed_The_Brox - 8 Nov 2019 9:01 AM
aussie pride - 8 Nov 2019 8:15 AM

sounds about right. although City should focus on the north, Victory focus on central Melbourne, and SM focus on bayside and the mornington peninsula. 

The reality is that MV don’t have to focus on anything in particular and can continue to cast their net wide. The reason for that is their position as the first club built broader support across the city, so there is limited need to stick to the central city area. 

Melbourne Heart/City have been adrift in that regard, getting pockets of support across the city but nothing of significant scale. That’s why they may be best to look at fob using attention into one area instead of trying to be something to no one in particular. 

WU and Team 11 both had the right idea targeting outer growth corridors, which at least embeds it and gives such clubs a presence and identity. 


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NSW/ACT
-introduce Sutherland
-introduce Wollongong Wolves 
-introduce Capital FC
-no changes to current teams or to the bulls (merging Jets and Mariners would be the death nail of pro football in the Hunter)

Victoria
- WU should forget about being a Western everywhere team and just merge with the Knights and play at Somers St as the West Melbourne Knights  
- have melbourne city become Nth Melbourne City playing at Epping
- introduce South Melbourne
- introduce team 11 as a East melbourne

QLD
- introduce Brisbane Strikers
- Roar moves to Redcliffe

WA 
Introduce Joondalup 

SA
- introduce Adelaide City

 NZ 
- introduce Auckland City
-  Nix moves to Miramar




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GDeathe - 10 Nov 2019 8:16 PM
NSW/ACT
-introduce Sutherland
-introduce Wollongong Wolves 
-introduce Capital FC
-no changes to current teams or to the bulls (merging Jets and Mariners would be the death nail of pro football in the Hunter)

Victoria
- WU should forget about being a Western everywhere team and just merge with the Knights and play at Somers St as the West Melbourne Knights  
- have melbourne city become Nth Melbourne City playing at Epping
- introduce South Melbourne
- introduce team 11 as a East melbourne

QLD
- introduce Brisbane Strikers
- Roar moves to Redcliffe

WA 
Introduce Joondalup 

SA
- introduce Adelaide City

 NZ 
- introduce Auckland City
-  Nix moves to Miramar




I personally don't think either Victory or City can now ever relocate to another stadium away from central Melbourne. Both our clubs have too many fans in different directions due to both targeting Melbourne as a whole since both their inclusions into the league. On Friday when I was at the game, the Lilydale line had a lot of City supporters from the game leaving that way as well as other platforms. I'm 100% sure its the same with Victory supporters with them living all over the city. I currently live in Glen Waverley and Epping is simply too far, it would definitely change my ability to go to all games. I just saw that it would take two hours by public transport. This would be the case with other fans if either Victory or City changed stadiums and I don't think either club would want to jeopardise attendance further when numbers are decreasing, especially City.
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mlar - 10 Nov 2019 8:53 PM

I personally don't think either Victory or City can now ever relocate to another stadium away from central Melbourne. Both our clubs have too many fans in different directions due to both targeting Melbourne as a whole since both their inclusions into the league. On Friday when I was at the game, the Lilydale line had a lot of City supporters from the game leaving that way as well as other platforms. I'm 100% sure its the same with Victory supporters with them living all over the city. I currently live in Glen Waverley and Epping is simply too far, it would definitely change my ability to go to all games. I just saw that it would take two hours by public transport. This would be the case with other fans if either Victory or City changed stadiums and I don't think either club would want to jeopardise attendance further when numbers are decreasing, especially City.

take a look at map of the proopsed suburban rail loop that is due to start construction in 2022. If City did build a stadium in the Bundoora/Epping region, you would be able to catch a train directly there from Glen Waverley at some point in the future. 
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Fans have voted with their feet again at matches in Kogarah and Leichhardt, in the last couple of years, in Sydney. Two totally different areas. Thwo boutique stadiums crying out for regular A League.
When Sydney fc go back to playing their home matches at Allianz in town,  a StGeorge-Sutherland team would be PERFECT out of Kogarah Oval., and even Shark Park at Woolooware-Cronulla (after it is refurbished). Either of these are RECTANGULAR Stadiums!!!!! 
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soccerfoo - 12 Nov 2019 5:44 PM
Fans have voted with their feet again at matches in Kogarah and Leichhardt, in the last couple of years, in Sydney. Two totally different areas. Thwo boutique stadiums crying out for regular A League.
When Sydney fc go back to playing their home matches at Allianz in town,  a StGeorge-Sutherland team would be PERFECT out of Kogarah Oval., and even Shark Park at Woolooware-Cronulla (after it is refurbished). Either of these are RECTANGULAR Stadiums!!!!! 

Actually, Kogarah is an oval.

And if it is rectangular stadiums you are after, there is Brookvale, Belmore, Penrith, Edensor, Marconi and Wollongong as well.


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Eldar - 12 Nov 2019 5:50 PM
soccerfoo - 12 Nov 2019 5:44 PM

Actually, Kogarah is an oval.

And if it is rectangular stadiums you are after, there is Brookvale, Belmore, Penrith, Edensor, Marconi and Wollongong as well.

Actually, Kogarah Jubillee Oval is oval in name only, its StGeorge Illawarra's NRL home ground. as well as Wollongong's Win Stadium and these are rectangular stadiums.
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soccerfoo - 13 Nov 2019 7:25 PM
Eldar - 12 Nov 2019 5:50 PM

Actually, Kogarah Jubillee Oval is oval in name only, its StGeorge Illawarra's NRL home ground. as well as Wollongong's Win Stadium and these are rectangular stadiums.

It has short straight sides with semi-circular ends.  To me that is an oval.
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Gyfox - 13 Nov 2019 7:35 PM
soccerfoo - 13 Nov 2019 7:25 PM

It has short straight sides with semi-circular ends.  To me that is an oval.

It’s called a stadium. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium_(geometry)
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Burztur - 13 Nov 2019 8:10 PM
Gyfox - 13 Nov 2019 7:35 PM

It’s called a stadium. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium_(geometry)

Only the Slightest amount technically yes whereby the viewership is that of a rectangular shape. Its not an issue with this field, whereas with Kardinia Park, 
that ground is way too far away to watch from, by comparison.
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soccerfoo - 13 Nov 2019 8:35 PM
Burztur - 13 Nov 2019 8:10 PM

Only the Slightest amount technically yes whereby the viewership is that of a rectangular shape. Its not an issue with this field, whereas with Kardinia Park, 
that ground is way too far away to watch from, by comparison.

To create more local opportunities and enticing foreign investment and foreign players of quality, A League needs minimum 14 teams, and eventually 16 teams, along with a second division of around 12 teams. Sure this is stating the obvious. Here are some comparisons;

Swiss Super league         10 teams                K League    12
Scottish Premier league   10 teams               J League     18
North American league    10 teams                Evedivisie   18        
A League in 2020             12 teams               Swedish      18
Austrian league                12 teams               Thai             18
Uzbekistan league           12 teams                MLS            24   (for now)



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