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+xSorry, but I can't support the training base of the both our national teams being in Sydney. By all means build as much football infrastructure as you can, but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it. I'm getting a bit sick of the FFA leveraging the NSW Govt. They need to find a better balance between money and the best interests of Football. I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is. Sydney / NSW is the home of football whichever way you look at it so it makes sense to capitalise on that. In comparison, it was only ten years ago that the Vic government built their first ever football stadium. If you want to whinge to someone I suggest you write a letter to your premier. If this goes ahead it'll be a big win for the country, if you can't put your biases aside for that it's a shame.
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+xSorry, but I can't support the training base of the both our national teams being in Sydney. By all means build as much football infrastructure as you can, but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it. I'm getting a bit sick of the FFA leveraging the NSW Govt. They need to find a better balance between money and the best interests of Football. if you want it, have them.
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+xThe place is so historically important to the game and if they could make it capable of hosting a international youth game or two, I'd probably go to Sydney just for the occasion
And it's right next to the airport so you can get the hell out of there straight after. Hell southern expansion should have probably committed to rebuilding the place and playing there if they wanted people to get onside with them
Absolutely. The local council would most likely been more than happy to have them sink investment into the joint, and if they were shrewd they could have negotiated that investment against the potential admission fee.
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+x+xSorry, but I can't support the training base of the both our national teams being in Sydney. By all means build as much football infrastructure as you can, but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it. I'm getting a bit sick of the FFA leveraging the NSW Govt. They need to find a better balance between money and the best interests of Football. I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is. Sydney / NSW is the home of football whichever way you look at it so it makes sense to capitalise on that. In comparison, it was only ten years ago that the Vic government built their first ever football stadium. If you want to whinge to someone I suggest you write a letter to your premier. If this goes ahead it'll be a big win for the country, if you can't put your biases aside for that it's a shame. Great post, unless the criteria for a great post is being based in the world of reality. Has the NSW government ever built a football specific stadium?
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+xSorry, but I can't support the training base of the both our national teams being in Sydney. By all means build as much football infrastructure as you can, but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it. I'm getting a bit sick of the FFA leveraging the NSW Govt. They need to find a better balance between money and the best interests of Football. It's fair that the FFA should chase any investment they can get anywhere they'll get it, but it's also true that we built a whole city for this sort of thing called Canberra, and we used to have a program there that if I look back on the Golden Generation I'll say they did pretty well.
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+x+x+xSorry, but I can't support the training base of the both our national teams being in Sydney. By all means build as much football infrastructure as you can, but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it. I'm getting a bit sick of the FFA leveraging the NSW Govt. They need to find a better balance between money and the best interests of Football. I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is. Sydney / NSW is the home of football whichever way you look at it so it makes sense to capitalise on that. In comparison, it was only ten years ago that the Vic government built their first ever football stadium. If you want to whinge to someone I suggest you write a letter to your premier. If this goes ahead it'll be a big win for the country, if you can't put your biases aside for that it's a shame. Great post, unless the criteria for a great post is being based in the world of reality. Has the NSW government ever built a football specific stadium? NSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look.
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+x+x+x+xSorry, but I can't support the training base of the both our national teams being in Sydney. By all means build as much football infrastructure as you can, but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it. I'm getting a bit sick of the FFA leveraging the NSW Govt. They need to find a better balance between money and the best interests of Football. I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is. Sydney / NSW is the home of football whichever way you look at it so it makes sense to capitalise on that. In comparison, it was only ten years ago that the Vic government built their first ever football stadium. If you want to whinge to someone I suggest you write a letter to your premier. If this goes ahead it'll be a big win for the country, if you can't put your biases aside for that it's a shame. Great post, unless the criteria for a great post is being based in the world of reality. Has the NSW government ever built a football specific stadium? NSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. Victoria also has the loudest journalists and commentators
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paladisious
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+x+x+x+xSorry, but I can't support the training base of the both our national teams being in Sydney. By all means build as much football infrastructure as you can, but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it. I'm getting a bit sick of the FFA leveraging the NSW Govt. They need to find a better balance between money and the best interests of Football. I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is. Sydney / NSW is the home of football whichever way you look at it so it makes sense to capitalise on that. In comparison, it was only ten years ago that the Vic government built their first ever football stadium. If you want to whinge to someone I suggest you write a letter to your premier. If this goes ahead it'll be a big win for the country, if you can't put your biases aside for that it's a shame. Great post, unless the criteria for a great post is being based in the world of reality. Has the NSW government ever built a football specific stadium? NSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. I see you avoided my question. Nice goalpoast move with the number crunching though. The whole "home of football" argument is cringe. You should be happy if the Victorian government is investing in the game. No wonder we never get anywhere.
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karta
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+x+x+x+x+xSorry, but I can't support the training base of the both our national teams being in Sydney. By all means build as much football infrastructure as you can, but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it. I'm getting a bit sick of the FFA leveraging the NSW Govt. They need to find a better balance between money and the best interests of Football. I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is. Sydney / NSW is the home of football whichever way you look at it so it makes sense to capitalise on that. In comparison, it was only ten years ago that the Vic government built their first ever football stadium. If you want to whinge to someone I suggest you write a letter to your premier. If this goes ahead it'll be a big win for the country, if you can't put your biases aside for that it's a shame. Great post, unless the criteria for a great post is being based in the world of reality. Has the NSW government ever built a football specific stadium? NSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. I see you avoided my question. Nice goalpoast move with the number crunching though. The whole "home of football" argument is cringe. You should be happy if the Victorian government is investing in the game. No wonder we never get anywhere. ? This reads like a reddit post and honestly I expect better from a mod on a real forum. The only 'cringe' is where FTB posted "Sorry, but I can't support the training base of the(sic) both our national teams being in Sydney.". Scroll up to the top of the page and re-read it if you need to do so.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xSorry, but I can't support the training base of the both our national teams being in Sydney. By all means build as much football infrastructure as you can, but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it. I'm getting a bit sick of the FFA leveraging the NSW Govt. They need to find a better balance between money and the best interests of Football. I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is. Sydney / NSW is the home of football whichever way you look at it so it makes sense to capitalise on that. In comparison, it was only ten years ago that the Vic government built their first ever football stadium. If you want to whinge to someone I suggest you write a letter to your premier. If this goes ahead it'll be a big win for the country, if you can't put your biases aside for that it's a shame. Great post, unless the criteria for a great post is being based in the world of reality. Has the NSW government ever built a football specific stadium? NSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. I see you avoided my question. Nice goalpoast move with the number crunching though. The whole "home of football" argument is cringe. You should be happy if the Victorian government is investing in the game. No wonder we never get anywhere. ? This reads like a reddit post and honestly I expect better from a mod on a real forum. Thanks for your feedback on my post, I can't see what was wrong with it as it was a fair assessment of your argument from my point of view, but if you don't want to answer what I asked then that's up to you. If you think being a mod means I'm not allowed to disagree with you then I'm afraid you'll be disappointed. The only 'cringe' is where FTB posted "Sorry, but I can't support the training base of the(sic) both our national teams being in Sydney.". Scroll up to the top of the page and re-read it if you need to do so. I disagree, I think it's a pretty fair point that FTB raised questioning whether one city (other than our capital) should monopolise the permanent home base of our national teams, and the "whinging Vic" vitriol that you came back at him with was what I'd call cringe, more about state parochialism than about what's best for the sport as a whole.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSorry, but I can't support the training base of the both our national teams being in Sydney. By all means build as much football infrastructure as you can, but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it. I'm getting a bit sick of the FFA leveraging the NSW Govt. They need to find a better balance between money and the best interests of Football. I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is. Sydney / NSW is the home of football whichever way you look at it so it makes sense to capitalise on that. In comparison, it was only ten years ago that the Vic government built their first ever football stadium. If you want to whinge to someone I suggest you write a letter to your premier. If this goes ahead it'll be a big win for the country, if you can't put your biases aside for that it's a shame. Great post, unless the criteria for a great post is being based in the world of reality. Has the NSW government ever built a football specific stadium? NSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. I see you avoided my question. Nice goalpoast move with the number crunching though. The whole "home of football" argument is cringe. You should be happy if the Victorian government is investing in the game. No wonder we never get anywhere. ? This reads like a reddit post and honestly I expect better from a mod on a real forum. Thanks for your feedback on my post, I can't see what was wrong with it as it was a fair assessment of your argument from my point of view, but if you don't want to answer what I asked then that's up to you. If you think being a mod means I'm not allowed to disagree with you then I'm afraid you'll be disappointed. The only 'cringe' is where FTB posted "Sorry, but I can't support the training base of the(sic) both our national teams being in Sydney.". Scroll up to the top of the page and re-read it if you need to do so. I disagree, I think it's a pretty fair point that FTB raised questioning whether one city (other than our capital) should monopolise the permanent home base of our national teams, and the "whinging Vic" vitriol that you came back at him with was what I'd call cringe, more about state parochialism than about what's best for the sport as a whole. "I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is." = Vitriol? Really? All I'm witnessing here is someone having a whinge because I referenced the stereotype of Victorians whinging. Have to love it.
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+xNSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. Yes you have us covered on participation, but I dispute there are "more fans" in NSW. Victoria has always had better AL and NT crowds and would no doubt bring more money to the game in this regard. In addition, what does AFL have to do with the argument? we're not entitled to equal treatment (and that’s all I'm really asking for) because another sport is dominant here?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSorry, but I can't support the training base of the both our national teams being in Sydney. By all means build as much football infrastructure as you can, but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it. I'm getting a bit sick of the FFA leveraging the NSW Govt. They need to find a better balance between money and the best interests of Football. I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is. Sydney / NSW is the home of football whichever way you look at it so it makes sense to capitalise on that. In comparison, it was only ten years ago that the Vic government built their first ever football stadium. If you want to whinge to someone I suggest you write a letter to your premier. If this goes ahead it'll be a big win for the country, if you can't put your biases aside for that it's a shame. Great post, unless the criteria for a great post is being based in the world of reality. Has the NSW government ever built a football specific stadium? NSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. I see you avoided my question. Nice goalpoast move with the number crunching though. The whole "home of football" argument is cringe. You should be happy if the Victorian government is investing in the game. No wonder we never get anywhere. ? This reads like a reddit post and honestly I expect better from a mod on a real forum. Thanks for your feedback on my post, I can't see what was wrong with it as it was a fair assessment of your argument from my point of view, but if you don't want to answer what I asked then that's up to you. If you think being a mod means I'm not allowed to disagree with you then I'm afraid you'll be disappointed. The only 'cringe' is where FTB posted "Sorry, but I can't support the training base of the(sic) both our national teams being in Sydney.". Scroll up to the top of the page and re-read it if you need to do so. I disagree, I think it's a pretty fair point that FTB raised questioning whether one city (other than our capital) should monopolise the permanent home base of our national teams, and the "whinging Vic" vitriol that you came back at him with was what I'd call cringe, more about state parochialism than about what's best for the sport as a whole. "I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is." = Vitriol? Really? vitriol /ˈvɪtrɪəl/ noun 1. bitter criticism or malice. The shoe fits.
All I'm witnessing here is someone having a whinge because I referenced the stereotype of Victorians whinging. Have to love it.
FTB and I made points and asked questions around the facts of the issue but feel free to stick with the ad hominem route.
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Sydney is home of Socceroos. If Australia qualified for 1998 WC this may have been a different story.
Not sure about Matildas. If Australia ever hosted a WWC and they actually won it it would be in Sydney. So that would probably be their home also.
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karta
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+x+xNSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. Yes you have us covered on participation, but I dispute there are "more fans" in NSW. Victoria has always had better AL and NT crowds and would no doubt bring more money to the game in this regard. In addition, what does AFL have to do with the argument? we're not entitled to equal treatment (and that’s all I'm really asking for) because another sport is dominant here? You weren't asking for equal treatment. You said you can't support about a good piece of infrastructure simply because it was in Sydney and not Melbourne... Your words are on the page.
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+x+x+xNSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. Yes you have us covered on participation, but I dispute there are "more fans" in NSW. Victoria has always had better AL and NT crowds and would no doubt bring more money to the game in this regard. In addition, what does AFL have to do with the argument? we're not entitled to equal treatment (and that’s all I'm really asking for) because another sport is dominant here? You weren't asking for equal treatment. You said you can't support about a good piece of infrastructure simply because it was in Sydney and not Melbourne... Your words are on the page. Speaking of his words on the page, in the same post he wrote "by all means build as much infrastructure as you can", so it's clear that he was all for getting this thing built but wasn't happy with one city being the only base for the national teams.
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karta
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSorry, but I can't support the training base of the both our national teams being in Sydney. By all means build as much football infrastructure as you can, but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it. I'm getting a bit sick of the FFA leveraging the NSW Govt. They need to find a better balance between money and the best interests of Football. I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is. Sydney / NSW is the home of football whichever way you look at it so it makes sense to capitalise on that. In comparison, it was only ten years ago that the Vic government built their first ever football stadium. If you want to whinge to someone I suggest you write a letter to your premier. If this goes ahead it'll be a big win for the country, if you can't put your biases aside for that it's a shame. Great post, unless the criteria for a great post is being based in the world of reality. Has the NSW government ever built a football specific stadium? NSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. I see you avoided my question. Nice goalpoast move with the number crunching though. The whole "home of football" argument is cringe. You should be happy if the Victorian government is investing in the game. No wonder we never get anywhere. ? This reads like a reddit post and honestly I expect better from a mod on a real forum. Thanks for your feedback on my post, I can't see what was wrong with it as it was a fair assessment of your argument from my point of view, but if you don't want to answer what I asked then that's up to you. If you think being a mod means I'm not allowed to disagree with you then I'm afraid you'll be disappointed. The only 'cringe' is where FTB posted "Sorry, but I can't support the training base of the(sic) both our national teams being in Sydney.". Scroll up to the top of the page and re-read it if you need to do so. I disagree, I think it's a pretty fair point that FTB raised questioning whether one city (other than our capital) should monopolise the permanent home base of our national teams, and the "whinging Vic" vitriol that you came back at him with was what I'd call cringe, more about state parochialism than about what's best for the sport as a whole. "I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is." = Vitriol? Really? vitriol /ˈvɪtrɪəl/ noun 1. bitter criticism or malice. The shoe fits.
All I'm witnessing here is someone having a whinge because I referenced the stereotype of Victorians whinging. Have to love it.
FTB and I made points and asked questions around the facts of the issue but feel free to stick with the ad hominem route.
This is one of those situations where no matter what I post it'll be replied to with something semi-coherent which just drags the discussion further off-topic. Do me a favour and look back at your previous posts.
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+x+x+x+xNSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. Yes you have us covered on participation, but I dispute there are "more fans" in NSW. Victoria has always had better AL and NT crowds and would no doubt bring more money to the game in this regard. In addition, what does AFL have to do with the argument? we're not entitled to equal treatment (and that’s all I'm really asking for) because another sport is dominant here? You weren't asking for equal treatment. You said you can't support about a good piece of infrastructure simply because it was in Sydney and not Melbourne... Your words are on the page. Speaking of his words on the page, in the same post he wrote "by all means build as much infrastructure as you can", so it's clear that he was all for getting this thing built but wasn't happy with one city being the only base for the national teams. Did you intentionally leave off the important "but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it." Why should Melbourne "get it"? Because they've been 'pushing' for it? Seriously...
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+x+x+x+x+xNSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. Yes you have us covered on participation, but I dispute there are "more fans" in NSW. Victoria has always had better AL and NT crowds and would no doubt bring more money to the game in this regard. In addition, what does AFL have to do with the argument? we're not entitled to equal treatment (and that’s all I'm really asking for) because another sport is dominant here? You weren't asking for equal treatment. You said you can't support about a good piece of infrastructure simply because it was in Sydney and not Melbourne... Your words are on the page. Speaking of his words on the page, in the same post he wrote "by all means build as much infrastructure as you can", so it's clear that he was all for getting this thing built but wasn't happy with one city being the only base for the national teams. Did you intentionally leave off the important "but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it." Why should Melbourne "get it"? Because they've been 'pushing' for it? Seriously... I left that out because I don't necessarily agree with that position, I don't think that there should be a permanent base for any of our national teams (unless we can build something good in Canberra) and support building infrastructure all around the country. From what I can see FTB's objection was to one city being the permanent base for all our national teams.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSorry, but I can't support the training base of the both our national teams being in Sydney. By all means build as much football infrastructure as you can, but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it. I'm getting a bit sick of the FFA leveraging the NSW Govt. They need to find a better balance between money and the best interests of Football. I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is. Sydney / NSW is the home of football whichever way you look at it so it makes sense to capitalise on that. In comparison, it was only ten years ago that the Vic government built their first ever football stadium. If you want to whinge to someone I suggest you write a letter to your premier. If this goes ahead it'll be a big win for the country, if you can't put your biases aside for that it's a shame. Great post, unless the criteria for a great post is being based in the world of reality. Has the NSW government ever built a football specific stadium? NSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. I see you avoided my question. Nice goalpoast move with the number crunching though. The whole "home of football" argument is cringe. You should be happy if the Victorian government is investing in the game. No wonder we never get anywhere. ? This reads like a reddit post and honestly I expect better from a mod on a real forum. Thanks for your feedback on my post, I can't see what was wrong with it as it was a fair assessment of your argument from my point of view, but if you don't want to answer what I asked then that's up to you. If you think being a mod means I'm not allowed to disagree with you then I'm afraid you'll be disappointed. The only 'cringe' is where FTB posted "Sorry, but I can't support the training base of the(sic) both our national teams being in Sydney.". Scroll up to the top of the page and re-read it if you need to do so. I disagree, I think it's a pretty fair point that FTB raised questioning whether one city (other than our capital) should monopolise the permanent home base of our national teams, and the "whinging Vic" vitriol that you came back at him with was what I'd call cringe, more about state parochialism than about what's best for the sport as a whole. "I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is." = Vitriol? Really? vitriol /ˈvɪtrɪəl/ noun 1. bitter criticism or malice. The shoe fits.
All I'm witnessing here is someone having a whinge because I referenced the stereotype of Victorians whinging. Have to love it.
FTB and I made points and asked questions around the facts of the issue but feel free to stick with the ad hominem route.
This is one of those situations where no matter what I post it'll be replied to with something semi-coherent which just drags the discussion further off-topic. Do me a favour and look back at your previous posts. Look if you throw out comments like "whinging Vic" you should be prepared for the fact that people will reply and that they may not agree with you.
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+x+xNSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. Yes you have us covered on participation, but I dispute there are "more fans" in NSW. Victoria has always had better AL and NT crowds and would no doubt bring more money to the game in this regard. In addition, what does AFL have to do with the argument? we're not entitled to equal treatment (and that’s all I'm really asking for) because another sport is dominant here? The issue is a home base for the Matildas and the younger women's national teams. I don't think attendances at Socceroos or A-League games has much to do with it but just for the record total attendance at A-League games is significantly higher in NSW than in Victoria. Attendance at Matildas games though is pertinent and in that NSW has the advantage averaging 14,688 in 4 games since the FFA started marketing them as premium games in 2016 while the average in Victoria is 7,410 in 5 games. Qld and SA average just over 10,000.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xNSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. Yes you have us covered on participation, but I dispute there are "more fans" in NSW. Victoria has always had better AL and NT crowds and would no doubt bring more money to the game in this regard. In addition, what does AFL have to do with the argument? we're not entitled to equal treatment (and that’s all I'm really asking for) because another sport is dominant here? You weren't asking for equal treatment. You said you can't support about a good piece of infrastructure simply because it was in Sydney and not Melbourne... Your words are on the page. Speaking of his words on the page, in the same post he wrote "by all means build as much infrastructure as you can", so it's clear that he was all for getting this thing built but wasn't happy with one city being the only base for the national teams. Did you intentionally leave off the important "but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it." Why should Melbourne "get it"? Because they've been 'pushing' for it? Seriously... I left that out because I don't necessarily agree with that position, I don't think that there should be a permanent base for any of our national teams (unless we can build something good in Canberra) and support building infrastructure all around the country. From what I can see FTB's objection was to one city being the permanent base for all our national teams. If you don't necessarily agree with what FTB posted then maybe just let him explain him or herself instead of arguing from your interpretation of what they posted. In an ideal world a team needs a home, whether it be the local U15's or the national team and I can't see many better options than this one.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSorry, but I can't support the training base of the both our national teams being in Sydney. By all means build as much football infrastructure as you can, but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it. I'm getting a bit sick of the FFA leveraging the NSW Govt. They need to find a better balance between money and the best interests of Football. I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is. Sydney / NSW is the home of football whichever way you look at it so it makes sense to capitalise on that. In comparison, it was only ten years ago that the Vic government built their first ever football stadium. If you want to whinge to someone I suggest you write a letter to your premier. If this goes ahead it'll be a big win for the country, if you can't put your biases aside for that it's a shame. Great post, unless the criteria for a great post is being based in the world of reality. Has the NSW government ever built a football specific stadium? NSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. I see you avoided my question. Nice goalpoast move with the number crunching though. The whole "home of football" argument is cringe. You should be happy if the Victorian government is investing in the game. No wonder we never get anywhere. ? This reads like a reddit post and honestly I expect better from a mod on a real forum. Thanks for your feedback on my post, I can't see what was wrong with it as it was a fair assessment of your argument from my point of view, but if you don't want to answer what I asked then that's up to you. If you think being a mod means I'm not allowed to disagree with you then I'm afraid you'll be disappointed. The only 'cringe' is where FTB posted "Sorry, but I can't support the training base of the(sic) both our national teams being in Sydney.". Scroll up to the top of the page and re-read it if you need to do so. I disagree, I think it's a pretty fair point that FTB raised questioning whether one city (other than our capital) should monopolise the permanent home base of our national teams, and the "whinging Vic" vitriol that you came back at him with was what I'd call cringe, more about state parochialism than about what's best for the sport as a whole. "I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is." = Vitriol? Really? vitriol /ˈvɪtrɪəl/ noun 1. bitter criticism or malice. The shoe fits.
All I'm witnessing here is someone having a whinge because I referenced the stereotype of Victorians whinging. Have to love it.
FTB and I made points and asked questions around the facts of the issue but feel free to stick with the ad hominem route.
This is one of those situations where no matter what I post it'll be replied to with something semi-coherent which just drags the discussion further off-topic. Do me a favour and look back at your previous posts. Look if you throw out comments like "whinging Vic" you should be prepared for the fact that people will reply and that they may not agree with you. Do you self-identify as a Victorian?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSorry, but I can't support the training base of the both our national teams being in Sydney. By all means build as much football infrastructure as you can, but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it. I'm getting a bit sick of the FFA leveraging the NSW Govt. They need to find a better balance between money and the best interests of Football. I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is. Sydney / NSW is the home of football whichever way you look at it so it makes sense to capitalise on that. In comparison, it was only ten years ago that the Vic government built their first ever football stadium. If you want to whinge to someone I suggest you write a letter to your premier. If this goes ahead it'll be a big win for the country, if you can't put your biases aside for that it's a shame. Great post, unless the criteria for a great post is being based in the world of reality. Has the NSW government ever built a football specific stadium? NSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. I see you avoided my question. Nice goalpoast move with the number crunching though. The whole "home of football" argument is cringe. You should be happy if the Victorian government is investing in the game. No wonder we never get anywhere. ? This reads like a reddit post and honestly I expect better from a mod on a real forum. Thanks for your feedback on my post, I can't see what was wrong with it as it was a fair assessment of your argument from my point of view, but if you don't want to answer what I asked then that's up to you. If you think being a mod means I'm not allowed to disagree with you then I'm afraid you'll be disappointed. The only 'cringe' is where FTB posted "Sorry, but I can't support the training base of the(sic) both our national teams being in Sydney.". Scroll up to the top of the page and re-read it if you need to do so. I disagree, I think it's a pretty fair point that FTB raised questioning whether one city (other than our capital) should monopolise the permanent home base of our national teams, and the "whinging Vic" vitriol that you came back at him with was what I'd call cringe, more about state parochialism than about what's best for the sport as a whole. "I'm always surprised by how true the stereotype of whinging Vics is." = Vitriol? Really? vitriol /ˈvɪtrɪəl/ noun 1. bitter criticism or malice. The shoe fits.
All I'm witnessing here is someone having a whinge because I referenced the stereotype of Victorians whinging. Have to love it.
FTB and I made points and asked questions around the facts of the issue but feel free to stick with the ad hominem route.
This is one of those situations where no matter what I post it'll be replied to with something semi-coherent which just drags the discussion further off-topic. Do me a favour and look back at your previous posts. Look if you throw out comments like "whinging Vic" you should be prepared for the fact that people will reply and that they may not agree with you. Do you self-identify as a Victorian? Give it a rest.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. Yes you have us covered on participation, but I dispute there are "more fans" in NSW. Victoria has always had better AL and NT crowds and would no doubt bring more money to the game in this regard. In addition, what does AFL have to do with the argument? we're not entitled to equal treatment (and that’s all I'm really asking for) because another sport is dominant here? You weren't asking for equal treatment. You said you can't support about a good piece of infrastructure simply because it was in Sydney and not Melbourne... Your words are on the page. Speaking of his words on the page, in the same post he wrote "by all means build as much infrastructure as you can", so it's clear that he was all for getting this thing built but wasn't happy with one city being the only base for the national teams. Did you intentionally leave off the important "but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it." Why should Melbourne "get it"? Because they've been 'pushing' for it? Seriously... I left that out because I don't necessarily agree with that position, I don't think that there should be a permanent base for any of our national teams (unless we can build something good in Canberra) and support building infrastructure all around the country. From what I can see FTB's objection was to one city being the permanent base for all our national teams. If you don't necessarily agree with what FTB posted then maybe just let him explain him or herself instead of arguing from your interpretation of what they posted. In an ideal world a team needs a home, whether it be the local U15's or the national team and I can't see many better options than this one. My argument is with you, partly because I disagree with your point, but more because I object to the attitude in which you made it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. Yes you have us covered on participation, but I dispute there are "more fans" in NSW. Victoria has always had better AL and NT crowds and would no doubt bring more money to the game in this regard. In addition, what does AFL have to do with the argument? we're not entitled to equal treatment (and that’s all I'm really asking for) because another sport is dominant here? You weren't asking for equal treatment. You said you can't support about a good piece of infrastructure simply because it was in Sydney and not Melbourne... Your words are on the page. Speaking of his words on the page, in the same post he wrote "by all means build as much infrastructure as you can", so it's clear that he was all for getting this thing built but wasn't happy with one city being the only base for the national teams. Did you intentionally leave off the important "but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it." Why should Melbourne "get it"? Because they've been 'pushing' for it? Seriously... I left that out because I don't necessarily agree with that position, I don't think that there should be a permanent base for any of our national teams (unless we can build something good in Canberra) and support building infrastructure all around the country. From what I can see FTB's objection was to one city being the permanent base for all our national teams. If you don't necessarily agree with what FTB posted then maybe just let him explain him or herself instead of arguing from your interpretation of what they posted. In an ideal world a team needs a home, whether it be the local U15's or the national team and I can't see many better options than this one. My argument is with you, partly because I disagree with your point, but more because I object to the attitude in which you made it. @karta this is the first that ive heard of 'whingeing vics'. ive heard plenty about the obnoxious nature of vics afl sponsored sports media, and rightly so. what i have seen repeatedly is a sydney centric sense of entitlement. from my observations, any chips on vic football fans shoulders (which is unfortunately a real thing) is far outweighed by the above. if you are going to be casting stereotypes around, expect to be called on it.
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karta
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNSW has more players, more fans and more football stadiums. What other 'reality' are you talking about? Victoria has spent a century fawning over its own game, the entitlement to now expect equal treatment is not a good look. Yes you have us covered on participation, but I dispute there are "more fans" in NSW. Victoria has always had better AL and NT crowds and would no doubt bring more money to the game in this regard. In addition, what does AFL have to do with the argument? we're not entitled to equal treatment (and that’s all I'm really asking for) because another sport is dominant here? You weren't asking for equal treatment. You said you can't support about a good piece of infrastructure simply because it was in Sydney and not Melbourne... Your words are on the page. Speaking of his words on the page, in the same post he wrote "by all means build as much infrastructure as you can", so it's clear that he was all for getting this thing built but wasn't happy with one city being the only base for the national teams. Did you intentionally leave off the important "but Victoria has been pushing to get the Matildas home base in Melbourne and should get it." Why should Melbourne "get it"? Because they've been 'pushing' for it? Seriously... I left that out because I don't necessarily agree with that position, I don't think that there should be a permanent base for any of our national teams (unless we can build something good in Canberra) and support building infrastructure all around the country. From what I can see FTB's objection was to one city being the permanent base for all our national teams. If you don't necessarily agree with what FTB posted then maybe just let him explain him or herself instead of arguing from your interpretation of what they posted. In an ideal world a team needs a home, whether it be the local U15's or the national team and I can't see many better options than this one. My argument is with you, partly because I disagree with your point, but more because I object to the attitude in which you made it. Whatever attitude you imagine is being conveyed via the text on a screen is on you. (ie: In your second to last post I had a laugh and was happy to leave it at that...) If you cannot discern between someone referencing a stereotype and someone being directly called something that is on you also. It seems to me that you just were looking for an argument. Next time just send an angry PM instead of taking a thread off-topic.
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Thread = derailed
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Are people freaking out over the decision?
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Not as badly as the plan for stadiums in NSW.
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