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paladisious - 3 Jul 2020 7:21 PM
Munrubenmuz - 3 Jul 2020 4:09 PM

I'm a bit confused, are you saying FIFA are charging hosts a fee?

Read the reply to the email above and also the newspaper article.

Here's an excerpt.

If the reported figure of $1 million per game for six matches, or $2 million a game if we hosted three matches are close to the mark, it’s no wonder the ACT Government rejected the deal.



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I'm guessing FIFA requires a minimum return for each game played.
FIFA runs these events at zero risk to itself, it is guaranteed of pocketing a specific amount of money regardless of what happens.
The host country carries all the risk.
In our case, we have a such a good record with attendances, that the minimum will be met most of the time.
But there is the possibility that some stadiums might have a dud game, and they won' meet that minimum, so you'd think the state government (or someone) has to make up the shortfall.

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Munrubenmuz - 4 Jul 2020 7:08 AM
paladisious - 3 Jul 2020 7:21 PM

Read the reply to the email above and also the newspaper article.

Here's an excerpt.

If the reported figure of $1 million per game for six matches, or $2 million a game if we hosted three matches are close to the mark, it’s no wonder the ACT Government rejected the deal.

Neither the email or that quote specify what that money is spent on. From what I've seen I am sure that this is referring to the money required to get their venue and facilities up to scratch. If FIFA charges a fee to the hosts of their tournaments this is the first I'm hearing of it.
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paladisious - 4 Jul 2020 10:02 AM
Munrubenmuz - 4 Jul 2020 7:08 AM

Neither the email or that quote specify what that money is spent on. From what I've seen I am sure that this is referring to the money required to get their venue and facilities up to scratch. If FIFA charges a fee to the hosts of their tournaments this is the first I'm hearing of it.

What are you talking about.  It clearly says $1 million per match or $2million for 3 matches.  (Presumably for later matches or Matildas games.)  If that money was for upgrades then they would have said we need these facilities to meet this standard. Even if these figures aren't exact (and there's no reason to doubt they aren't) then it's still a request for payment in order to host matches.'

It may not be FIFA.  It could be the FFA.  I'm not sure what you find so hard to believe about this.  Just about every big event is shopped around these days to 'extort' the most money out of the city who wants to host XYZ event. Just look at something like the Adelaide Grand Prix which was moved from there to Melbourne because they got a better deal.

It happens all the time  The next thing they'll do in Australia is that fucked thing they do in America where they just pick up a team holus bolus and move them to another city because they got more inducements, a better tax advantage or just a straight out cash payment.

Cities shouldn't be able to buy events off other cities by virtue of extortion full stop.  Otherwise it's just a giant race to the bottom.
 


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Munrubenmuz - 4 Jul 2020 5:00 PM
paladisious - 4 Jul 2020 10:02 AM

What are you talking about.  It clearly says $1 million per match or $2million for 3 matches.  (Presumably for later matches or Matildas games.)  If that money was for upgrades then they would have said we need these facilities to meet this standard. Even if these figures aren't exact (and there's no reason to doubt they aren't) then it's still a request for payment in order to host matches.'

It may not be FIFA.  It could be the FFA.  I'm not sure what you find so hard to believe about this.  Just about every big event is shopped around these days to 'extort' the most money out of the city who wants to host XYZ event. Just look at something like the Adelaide Grand Prix which was moved from there to Melbourne because they got a better deal.

It happens all the time  The next thing they'll do in Australia is that fucked thing they do in America where they just pick up a team holus bolus and move them to another city because they got more inducements, a better tax advantage or just a straight out cash payment.

Cities shouldn't be able to buy events off other cities by virtue of extortion full stop.  Otherwise it's just a giant race to the bottom. 

The bid book lists "temporary facilities costs" for each venue in USD, eg. $2,515,361 for Homebush and $1,775,370 for AAMI Park. I'm guessing the figured cited in your quotes is mostly that.
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paladisious - 4 Jul 2020 5:26 PM
Munrubenmuz - 4 Jul 2020 5:00 PM

The bid book lists "temporary facilities costs" for each venue in USD, eg. $2,515,361 for Homebush and $1,775,370 for AAMI Park. I'm guessing the figured cited in your quotes is mostly that.

So about 3.5 million AUD for Homebush but 6 million AUD for Canberra.  Uh huh.

Also, and again who knows if that report is accurate, they're saying they get none of the gate takings.

Sounds like a shit deal all round.


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Munrubenmuz - 4 Jul 2020 6:41 PM
paladisious - 4 Jul 2020 5:26 PM

So about 3.5 million AUD for Homebush but 6 million AUD for Canberra.  Uh huh.

Also, and again who knows if that report is accurate, they're saying they get none of the gate takings.

Sounds like a shit deal all round.

The benefits for the host countries are tourism and the kudos for hosting, ALL of the revenue goes to FIFA.
That's just the price we must pay to host such big events.

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Munrubenmuz - 4 Jul 2020 6:41 PM
paladisious - 4 Jul 2020 5:26 PM

So about 3.5 million AUD for Homebush but 6 million AUD for Canberra.  Uh huh.

Also, and again who knows if that report is accurate, they're saying they get none of the gate takings.

Sounds like a shit deal all round.

World Cup and Olympics are all loss making. It's the secondary benefits which we're going for.
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Munrubenmuz - 4 Jul 2020 6:41 PM
paladisious - 4 Jul 2020 5:26 PM

So about 3.5 million AUD for Homebush but 6 million AUD for Canberra.  Uh huh.

Also, and again who knows if that report is accurate, they're saying they get none of the gate takings.

Sounds like a shit deal all round.

FIFA have always taken the ticket revenue from all world cups in modern history. It's FIFA's event, why should anyone else get the ticket revenue?
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paladisious - 4 Jul 2020 7:43 PM
Munrubenmuz - 4 Jul 2020 6:41 PM

FIFA have always taken the ticket revenue from all world cups in modern history. It's FIFA's event, why should anyone else get the ticket revenue?

It's the extorting of money for the 'opportunity' to be a host city.  


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Munrubenmuz - 4 Jul 2020 8:01 PM
paladisious - 4 Jul 2020 7:43 PM

It's the extorting of money for the 'opportunity' to be a host city.  

I think there are probably 3 ways you could or infinity 

1. Current bid system
2. Winner of WC host tournament after next, so in 8 years after the win. Which is problematic if a country doesn’t won’t to host.
3. FIFA builds 4 stadiums in Switzerland and the tournament is always played there. Which I wouldn’t mind as long as the Swiss can’t use the stadiums for NT. But seems expensive for FIFA. 
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“EVEN though they are yet to set foot in the venue, Tasmanian soccer boss Matt Bulkeley says FIFA officials will be impressed with UTAS Stadium when they inspect the Launceston site ahead of potentially scheduling games there for the 2023 Women’s World Cup.”

https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/utas-stadium-will-be-a-perfect-venue-for-womens-2023-wold-cup-say-officials/news-story/7029d9d2a7754b3202ce9cfca4c03b52

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scott20won - 4 Jul 2020 9:03 PM
“EVEN though they are yet to set foot in the venue, Tasmanian soccer boss Matt Bulkeley says FIFA officials will be impressed with UTAS Stadium when they inspect the Launceston site ahead of potentially scheduling games there for the 2023 Women’s World Cup.”

https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/utas-stadium-will-be-a-perfect-venue-for-womens-2023-wold-cup-say-officials/news-story/7029d9d2a7754b3202ce9cfca4c03b52

What rubbish.
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paladisious - 4 Jul 2020 7:43 PM
Munrubenmuz - 4 Jul 2020 6:41 PM

FIFA have always taken the ticket revenue from all world cups in modern history. It's FIFA's event, why should anyone else get the ticket revenue?

The ticket revenue normally goes to the organising body to offset the cost of running the event.  FIFA gets its revenue from the broadcast rights and sponsorship partners.
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Gyfox - 5 Jul 2020 12:29 AM
paladisious - 4 Jul 2020 7:43 PM

The ticket revenue normally goes to the organising body to offset the cost of running the event.  FIFA gets its revenue from the broadcast rights and sponsorship partners.

FIFA's ticket revenues from the 2018 WC are discussed in detail from page 34 in their 2018 financial report: https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/xzshsoe2ayttyquuxhq0.pdf

As far as I can tell, FIFA run the ticketing themselves directly out of Zurich, trading as FIFA Ticketing AG. It also states in this chapter that FIFA covers all the costs of the Local Organising Committee.
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FIFA reported that US$15 billion was injected into the Russian economy thanks to the 2018 WC (more than 1% of the national GDP) and created 315,000 jobs. (Page 61)
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paladisious - 5 Jul 2020 12:59 AM
Gyfox - 5 Jul 2020 12:29 AM

FIFA's ticket revenues from the 2018 WC are discussed in detail from page 34 in their 2018 financial report: https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/xzshsoe2ayttyquuxhq0.pdf

As far as I can tell, FIFA run the ticketing themselves directly out of Zurich, trading as FIFA Ticketing AG. It also states in this chapter that FIFA covers all the costs of the Local Organising Committee.

Thanks for that pala.
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paladisious - 5 Jul 2020 1:43 AM
FIFA reported that US$15 billion was injected into the Russian economy thanks to the 2018 WC (more than 1% of the national GDP) and created 315,000 jobs. (Page 61)

So a zero nett effect then.  

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/06/08/Russias-World-Cup-Costs-to-Exceed-Record-Setting-14Bln-a61732#:~:text=Altogether%2C%20Russia%20will%20spend%20883,by%20the%20RBC%20business%20portal.

https://www.voanews.com/arts-culture/russias-record-breaking-15-billion-world-cup-price-tag-what-does-it-buy

We're getting sidetracked here.

Look, I'm glad we're hosting it. I don't mind if the government shells out cash to do so.  What I object to is selling matches to the highest bidders.  I think fans everywhere (within reason*) deserve an equal opportunity to see matches based on more than 'who can give us the most cash.'

*before someone says Tennant Creek should get a game.


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Munrubenmuz - 5 Jul 2020 5:19 PM
paladisious - 5 Jul 2020 1:43 AM

So a zero nett effect then.  

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/06/08/Russias-World-Cup-Costs-to-Exceed-Record-Setting-14Bln-a61732#:~:text=Altogether%2C%20Russia%20will%20spend%20883,by%20the%20RBC%20business%20portal.

https://www.voanews.com/arts-culture/russias-record-breaking-15-billion-world-cup-price-tag-what-does-it-buy

I'm not here to defend Russian domestic economic policy. I was just passing on what FIFA reports a World Cup can bring to a host.

Mind you, I'd be happier than anyone if Australia spent $15 billion on football and transport infrastructure.
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Munrubenmuz - 5 Jul 2020 5:19 PM
paladisious - 5 Jul 2020 1:43 AM

Look, I'm glad we're hosting it. I don't mind if the government shells out cash to do so.  What I object to is selling matches to the highest bidders.  I think fans everywhere (within reason*) deserve an equal opportunity to see matches based on more than 'who can give us the most cash.'

Mate I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but I'm not able to agree that host cities were selected on this basis. I think you should be directing your anger at state governments that don't value football (or at least women's football) and aren't willing to provide an appropriate venue, especially when they pay more to have GWS play a few AFL games there, in the example of the ACT.

It's not just sport, governments make investments to bring revenue into their jurisdictions all the time with events in the arts, conventions, general tourism, all sorts of things. From my experience, investment in the low millions for an event of this scale is small fry stuff. The ACT only baulked at the cost of a compliant bid because they don't value football and women's football, and of course they didn't want to inconvenience the rugby.

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That Giant's deal must be pretty close to coming to an end.
Maybe Canberra can dedicate that money to the women's world cup?

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I can understand why it was $6m whether it was 3 games or 6 games.  The same establishment costs are required no matter how many games are played at a venue and if someone wants their venue used because of the kudos or the benefit to their region it is reasonable that the venue be made "suitable" at the owners cost.
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The Powehouse Museum idea has been cancelled, good that it has according to many.
Are there funds now available to refurbish ANZ stadium? 
That would mean the mothership stadium plus the four offspring stadiums in Sydney to be done.
Business is booming all of a sudden!


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soccerfoo - 6 Jul 2020 10:53 AM
The Powehouse Museum idea has been cancelled, good that it has according to many.
Are there funds now available to refurbish ANZ stadium? 
That would mean the mothership stadium plus the four offspring stadiums in Sydney to be done.
Business is booming all of a sudden!


It hasn't - the new museum will go ahead and the old one is staying open.
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It hasn't - the new museum will go ahead and the old one is staying open.

Ah ok
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“Mayor Lisa Matthews has signalled a strong push will come from Central Coast Council for the Coast to play a key role in hosting teams and events during the 2023 FIFA Womens’ World Cup.”

https://coastcommunitynews.com.au/central-coast/news/2020/07/push-for-womens-soccer-world-cup-matches-in-gosford/

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You'd think that with 3 stadiums in close proximity already being used for actual WC matches that CC Stadium would be one of the ones in line to pick up the slack for the NRL games that would be displaced. I.e. the Knights alone will need somewhere to play their home games for that period. 

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evolution - 7 Jul 2020 9:58 AM
You'd think that with 3 stadiums in close proximity already being used for actual WC matches that CC Stadium would be one of the ones in line to pick up the slack for the NRL games that would be displaced. I.e. the Knights alone will need somewhere to play their home games for that period. 

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scott20won - 6 Jul 2020 9:09 PM
“Mayor Lisa Matthews has signalled a strong push will come from Central Coast Council for the Coast to play a key role in hosting teams and events during the 2023 FIFA Womens’ World Cup.”

https://coastcommunitynews.com.au/central-coast/news/2020/07/push-for-womens-soccer-world-cup-matches-in-gosford/

Her council is doing their utmost to ensure that all the space surrounding the stadium is used up ensuring that any FIFA event will never come back. Leagues club park opposite CCLC and the Stadium is now becoming a tidal pool precinct that will be shut down to the public as soon as there is a drowning. The area behind the Western stand she is proposing for a commuter carpark. NFI.
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