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+xTop 6 HAL clubs on insta last month: victory 127k WSW 94k Roar 86k Sydney 75k Nix 72k Western Utd 56k WU >> Glory, Adelaide, Jets, Mariners, City. @DEPFORFINAS on twitter People let go of the NSL..What happens if a team like Marconi or Melbourne Croatia go up from a future second division? Will they compete in the aleague with those names...bet they don't. Will a comp in an Italian or Croatian league accept a team called Southern Sydney Stallions?
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Waz
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Top 6 HAL clubs on insta last month:
victory 127k
WSW 94k
Roar 86k
Sydney 75k
Nix 72k
Western Utd 56k
WU >> Glory, Adelaide, Jets, Mariners, City.
@DEPFORFINAS on twitter
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+x+xThe awarding of the two new 'franchises' to 'bids' with no link whatsoever to football/soccer in Australia is a massive kick in the guts to great clubs like Sydney Croatia, South Melbourne Hellas, Adelaide Juventus, East Sydney Hakoah, Sydney Olympic, Melbourne Croatia and the Luke Wilkshirov-coached Wollongong Wolves. It's a kick in the guts to Australia's proud history of being a true multicultural nation, and it's a kick in the guts for reason. The 62 community clubs in MDSFA and SDSFA say hi. Wholeheartedly agree Gyfox. However, once a second div is in play, let the weak be relegated and the strong - possibly old soccer like South Melbourne succeed.
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Gyfox
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+xThe awarding of the two new 'franchises' to 'bids' with no link whatsoever to football/soccer in Australia is a massive kick in the guts to great clubs like Sydney Croatia, South Melbourne Hellas, Adelaide Juventus, East Sydney Hakoah, Sydney Olympic, Melbourne Croatia and the Luke Wilkshirov-coached Wollongong Wolves. It's a kick in the guts to Australia's proud history of being a true multicultural nation, and it's a kick in the guts for reason. The 62 community clubs in MDSFA and SDSFA say hi.
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MarkfromCroydon
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+xThe awarding of the two new 'franchises' to 'bids' with no link whatsoever to football/soccer in Australia is a massive kick in the guts to great clubs like Sydney Croatia, South Melbourne Hellas, Adelaide Juventus, East Sydney Hakoah, Sydney Olympic, Melbourne Croatia and the Luke Wilkshirov-coached Wollongong Wolves. It's a kick in the guts to Australia's proud history of being a true multicultural nation, and it's a kick in the guts for reason. Great clubs? Clubs that held football back in this country for decades more like. As bad as things are today, they are a lot better than when those ‘great clubs’ continually ran football in this country into the ground. Now we qualify for World Cups, we have a national league with crowds twice as big as the NSL, we have a tv deal where matches are actually shown.
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The awarding of the two new 'franchises' to 'bids' with no link whatsoever to football/soccer in Australia is a massive kick in the guts to great clubs like Sydney Croatia, South Melbourne Hellas, Adelaide Juventus, East Sydney Hakoah, Sydney Olympic, Melbourne Croatia and the Luke Wilkshirov-coached Wollongong Wolves.
It's a kick in the guts to Australia's proud history of being a true multicultural nation, and it's a kick in the guts for reason.
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Waz
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+x+xThe question is, if the owners go under, or lose interest, or whatever, does the FFA bother to save them? Or do they let them go the way of the other expansion teams? Points deduction, probable relegation, let themselves find their feet in a lower level. Under the proposed model that won’t happen, they created a special fund to finance clubs through the tough times .... but once Div 2 is up and running there’s no reason why it can’t work this way - at least the points deduction part.
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MarkfromCroydon
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I reckon their kit would've looked better with more green on the tops and less black. A bit more like Nueva Chicago's in this clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7GF3QP3GqQ
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+xThe question is, if the owners go under, or lose interest, or whatever, does the FFA bother to save them? Or do they let them go the way of the other expansion teams? Points deduction, probable relegation, let themselves find their feet in a lower level.
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Gyfox
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+xThe duel additions of property developer-backed teams to the expanded A-League is starting to look like a very bad decision. The current perilous state of the game (based on a wad of metrics) should have demanded a 'safe bet' choice for the two expansion slots. Safe bets being football focused bids such as South Melbourne or Canberra. Indeed, the FFA board would have been wise to invite bids from the likes of Sydney United, Melbourne Knights, Sydney Olympic etc. But alas, the FFA board is anything but wise. It's "dual".
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+xThe duel additions of property developer-backed teams to the expanded A-League is starting to look like a very bad decision. The current perilous state of the game (based on a wad of metrics) should have demanded a 'safe bet' choice for the two expansion slots. Safe bets being football focused bids such as South Melbourne or Canberra. Indeed, the FFA board would have been wise to invite bids from the likes of Sydney United, Melbourne Knights, Sydney Olympic etc. But alas, the FFA board is anything but wise. South Melbourne ”it’s like the Sopranos” 
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Mooyono
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The duel additions of property developer-backed teams to the expanded A-League is starting to look like a very bad decision.
The current perilous state of the game (based on a wad of metrics) should have demanded a 'safe bet' choice for the two expansion slots.
Safe bets being football focused bids such as South Melbourne or Canberra. Indeed, the FFA board would have been wise to invite bids from the likes of Sydney United, Melbourne Knights, Sydney Olympic etc.
But alas, the FFA board is anything but wise.
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+xThe question is, if the owners go under, or lose interest, or whatever, does the FFA bother to save them? Or do they let them go the way of the other expansion teams? Not up to the FFA anymore. It's up to the independent league. They have a fund set aside for helping clubs with financial difficulties but that's not the kind of money that completes a stadium, it's the type of money that pays salaries. As with any privately funded project, there is the very real possibility that circumstances change and the stadium is not completed or experiences lengthy delays.
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+xThe question is, if the owners go under, or lose interest, or whatever, does the FFA bother to save them? Or do they let them go the way of the other expansion teams? Save them. But probably make them an AAMI Park tennant with a generic rebrand. I still believe the ffa were desperare to get team11 in but the governments refusal to come to the party and the less then desirable Casey fields scared them off. Eventually WU was a AnYthINg BuT HeLlaS choice.
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The question is, if the owners go under, or lose interest, or whatever, does the FFA bother to save them? Or do they let them go the way of the other expansion teams?
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+xSo when the Australian economy hits the skids and goes into reverse (inevitable) and the arse falls out (and I mean really falls out) of the housing market, what will become of Western United's already flakey 'guarantee' to build a new football stadium at Tarneit? Resimax (the property group that has majority ownership of Western United) has zero interest in furthering the best interests of football in Australia. It is only interested in generating coin from property development. When that coin stops generating, so too will Resimax's 'interest' in football. Shame, shame, shame on FFA for letting property developers in the through back door. South Melbourne was robbed and football cheated. On another slightly related topic - I'm curious to know as to whether or not Resimax's principal owner, Aziz Kheir, is related to the Melbourne-based Kheir crime family? it's definitely a concern hard to know how a respectable board could come up with such a decision
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Mooyono
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So when the Australian economy hits the skids and goes into reverse (inevitable) and the arse falls out (and I mean really falls out) of the housing market, what will become of Western United's already flakey 'guarantee' to build a new football stadium at Tarneit? Resimax (the property group that has majority ownership of Western United) has zero interest in furthering the best interests of football in Australia. It is only interested in generating coin from property development. When that coin stops generating, so too will Resimax's 'interest' in football.
Shame, shame, shame on FFA for letting property developers in the through back door. South Melbourne was robbed and football cheated.
On another slightly related topic - I'm curious to know as to whether or not Resimax's principal owner, Aziz Kheir, is related to the Melbourne-based Kheir crime family?
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Am I right in thinking Western United still have two international spots to fill? Any rumours?
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+xjust noticd our good friend Mr Football just commented on this subject  Mr Football@MrAusFootballReplying to @smfcmike @SMEMUFC and 3 othersI happened to be in the area last night so popped in for about 25mins during the 2nd half. There were around 350 people there. That’s it.I agree heads need to roll; starting with O’Rourke. It’s called taking the responsibility for your actions Mr.Football can't count there was 350 people in the line alone for the chavap.
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+x+x+xOver 2,500 at their latest game. Must be doing something right. Playing local clubs which is attracting the local fans. North Geelong on Tuesday night so we should see the same amount of fans turning out. lol ... riiii-ght happy to agree there’s local fans but that’s a lot of “local” fans for a meaningless friendly. What’s their typical average crowd for an NPL game , 2, 3, 4000? I meant the local fans of the club there playing.
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Waz
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+xjust noticd our good friend Mr Football just commented on this subject Mr Football@MrAusFootballReplying to @smfcmike @SMEMUFC and 3 othersI happened to be in the area last night so popped in for about 25mins during the 2nd half. There were around 350 people there. That’s it.I agree heads need to roll; starting with O’Rourke. It’s called taking the responsibility for your actions I didn’t know they’d let him out yet ....
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just noticd our good friend Mr Football just commented on this subject Mr Football@MrAusFootballReplying to @smfcmike @SMEMUFC and 3 othersI happened to be in the area last night so popped in for about 25mins during the 2nd half. There were around 350 people there. That’s it.I agree heads need to roll; starting with O’Rourke. It’s called taking the responsibility for your actions
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Waz
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+x+xOver 2,500 at their latest game. Must be doing something right. Playing local clubs which is attracting the local fans. North Geelong on Tuesday night so we should see the same amount of fans turning out. lol ... riiii-ght happy to agree there’s local fans but that’s a lot of “local” fans for a meaningless friendly. What’s their typical average crowd for an NPL game , 2, 3, 4000?
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+x+xOver 2,500 at their latest game. Must be doing something right. Nothing increases attendances like free entry. In fairness though to get anyone to go out mid week to watch a meaningless friendly in the cold they have to be half interested.
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+xOver 2,500 at their latest game. Must be doing something right. Playing local clubs which is attracting the local fans. North Geelong on Tuesday night so we should see the same amount of fans turning out.
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+xOver 2,500 at their latest game. Must be doing something right. Nothing increases attendances like free entry.
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Waz
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Over 2,500 at their latest game. Must be doing something right.
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+xNice multi brah I'm still waiting for any evidence that the claim is true btw Nothing MfC has said on the subject is incorrect, take your medicine.
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Nice multi brah
I'm still waiting for any evidence that the claim is true btw
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAttendance itself means fuck all in the end, it's just a means to an end for the financial viability of a club. Once WU get in their stadium and can sustain itself playing infront of an 8k average crowd, does it really matter? Well, if they don't get good attendances, it'll take a long time to pay off that stadium. Also, attendances as well as memberships are a gauge of support in general. I don't dispute that, but again "levels of support" are not the end - they're simply the means of a club attaining financial viability. As Gyfox has pointed out, the stadium costs will probably be the cheapest in the country as only operation and maintenance will have to be covered by attendees and they actually own the stadium itself (so they won't be fucked over by shitty arrangements). My point is that if they can field a quality team of 11 players and be financially viable (while only getting 8k average) into that 15k ground of theirs, does it really matter that they'll never be as big as Victory? The answer is no imo. Plenty of leagues in Europe do just fine with far lower average attendances than us. Actually,you’re looking at it the wrong way. Stadium costs will be the most expensive in the league. The company that owns the stadium will have to pay for running costs.They will be able to charge rent to generate income. They will lose money through depreciation of the asset (stadium). I expect the company that owns the football club will be paying the highest rent of any club in the league on a yearly basis. Eventually, the stadium operating company will get other tenants (eg concerts on field, events in function spaces), but they will need to load up the rent payable by the football club until that time. You do realise that the club owns the stadium, right? The stadium costs money to run, 52 weeks of the year, even when no one is using it. Rates, land tax, power, water, drainage, essential services inspections, insurance premiums, staffing, cleaning, maintenance, repairs etc. If the football club is the owner, they will have to pay for all of those costs. I suspect the football club and stadium ownership/management operating entity will be formed as two (maybe 3) different companies. The stadium company will lose millions on the books in the first year through loan repayments and depreciation of the value of the stadium. It makes sense for them to charge full market rent to the football club entity and the football club to rack up more time at the stadium. This will help ensure the football club records a loss rather than a profit on the books. After all, why would you want to pay any tax when you can essentially move your money from one entity to another. Eventually, you get to the point where you fully own the stadium asset, its land value is high, and you have an asset you can sell or borrow against. Show me an example with numbers for both entities... Yeah, this seems too unbelievable to be true. If this was the case then no sports team on the planet would own their own stadium. I take it you've never owned or run any business. Please see my comments and someguyjcs comments above, or alternatively, arrange a meeting with an accountant and ask to learn about profit and loss and taxation. LMAO So I take it you you must be smarter than the financial department of any club in world football that owns their own stadium? Why don't you ring up Florentino Perez and ask him for a gig? I'm sure he'll be impressed by your experience running the fish and chips shop. The hallmark of the idiot is the tendency to take constructive advice as slights against their intelligence. MfC is right. You would be best advised to put further research into the topic if you are interested, because you clearly don't have a fucking clue.
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