This is a delusional thread. We were lucky to get Guus and he looked at what was available and only signed up because he thought he could do something with them. If you read his book, you will discern this. And Guus had the best generation of Socceroos ever at his disposal and they only just scraped in to qualify. Kewell, Viduka, Bresciano, Cahill, Schwarzer etc. No top coach of that quality will ever take Australia again unless we break the bank. Our players are shit at international level, and even shit in Asia. So we will now only get mid-tier Bert Van Marwicks at best or Australians, unless we break the bank. We need to be honest at just how shit our players are because this affects who wants to coach us. It’s sad and will be a good ten to twenty years back to 2006 levels, if we do the right things (and the right things will require a lot of money and planning and integration of the ethnics and old soccer). So this sack Arnie shit is delusional because you think we’ll get much better outcomes based on the coach alone when the biggest problem is the quality of the cattle. 

I think Arnold is going to get what he deserves. Being the only manager to not qualify us for a World Cup in a century. I imagine we will qualify for every World Cup for the next 70 years once it switches to 48 teams.

My problem with Arnold was the nepotism he showed. If a manager believes in a player then that players form will likely improve. The player who the manager doesn't believe in form is likely to decrease. There is probably an argument for Sainsbury to currently be picked but there wasn't two years ago when he was still being picked. Nepotism has bad consequences in any organisation but is particularly disastrous for a National sporting team.  Arnold deserves to go down in history as the worst manager for a century.

Interesting article:

https://www.espn.com.au/football/australia-aus/story/4523531/australias-world-cup-qualifying-troubles-were-as-predictable-as-they-were-inevitable?platform=amp

I agree with his comments re Irvine. I don't think Arnie is the worst by any means - Holger was definitely worse, for example - but by the same token I don't think he's a great problem solver. Compared to an outstanding manager like Guus, he's a bit of a plodder. Recently, I was astonished that Tilio was left out of the original Olyroos squad for the Olympics. How could Arnie have not seen his value to that squad? Arnie strikes me as a middle management type guy who, if given certain procedures to follow, can do that competently. 

Looking at the current table standing UAE in 3rd place like us
1 W
3 D
2 L
6 points - 8 behind 2nd.
and definately will be in play offs more so than us at this stage, if thats better than ever.

Were on 11 - 1 behind Jap.
No matter about Arnold I'd sooner be in this position.

One of those was Zambia's sole continental trophy to date; obviously w/an inferior talent-pool to the region's powerhouses.

Since it's obv unrealistic we can attract anyone of world-class level at the moment, a foreign coach of Renard's tier seems the best bet going forward - the only stipulation other than WC qualification I'd brief them with, if I were James Johnson, would be blooding more youngsters/eligible dual-nationals abroad; the NT is in dire need of rejuvenation and fact is, we need as big a talent-pool as possible.

And we should have signed him to a 5 year deal, if we did we would have gotten further at the asian cup and we would be on track to qualify for the WC. He's now got the UAE playing better than ever.

Fair enough thanks.  I was under the impression he'd been left high and dry given he was disappointed that 10/Paramount didn't want him.  

If this is true, why are we paying Graham Arnold a shitload of $$$ at all? We can just send a bunch of players to the game and tell them to do their job.
A good coach will be able to get the most from the players they have. Sure, there's an upper limit, but that upper limit is a lot higher than drawing to China.

this is true, I heard similar elsewhere that rings true.
No matter how much we/people have against the Middle East in the big picture come WC 1st game koff your gonna watch no matter the countless issues at hand.

Ange was victimised and granted like GA your head is on the block when results go against you, as we know its first and foremost the coachs fault and all media go for the throat.
Wonderful Ange to many here especially now but I'll never forget him walking out of the job right after the record breaking longest quali run leaving us rudderless.
Mind you none of us really know the facts what occurred behind the scenes but he still walked out on the NT at its worst time.
His tactics and playing 3 at the back was shocking back then, he deserves all he got just as some do re Arnold now.

Pundits have every right to call out coachs and players, thats their job and most times we supporters get entertained by it.
Just as Foster did to Ange way way back then and be it Slater or whoever onwards.

sfc1987, Slater has a gig/seat on Fox's BackPage.

I wish people would stop saying this because it isn't correct. We signed Bert Van Marwijck over Biesla ffs

We need someone now, so we have a better chance to qualify...

Could we get the Saudi coach for the next qualification campaign? Very impressed with what he has done with their players (notwithstanding the incorrigible petulance). He has also won two African Cup of Nations. With separate teams. No other coach has achieved that, apparently.

Who would have thought that the guy who failed miserably last time he was in the same job, would fail again this time.

FA hires Aussie coaches to save money, well we have saved money for the last 3 years. Now is the time to replace GA. Who is available though? Do you wait for another national team to fail to qualify then nab their coach? 

Nobody give a damn where the world cup is. This is a world cup. Every countries want to be there. If U don't don't watch. 

It’s unexplainable imho. Tilio, Atkinson, Deng, etc.. should be in Roos squads. But all we get is behich, Leckie, Irvine rubbish over and over again 

This 

Most agree The players just aren’t the best we would hope for. So therefore we need a real smart tactical coach who can analyse the opposition before and during the game.
Cleary to all that is not Arnie. 

Can someone explain why not a couple of the olyroos players who did well in the tournament couple months ago can't make our starting 11 I can't see who from the socceroos would be better beside ,Mooy ,Rogic and Boyle.Also why did we have a system and played some nice football at times  there , yet we can't at senior level.

Its  on   FA , one  way  or  another.

LOL 

Didn't   JJ   recently    appoint   Arnold   TD   and   "Special Advisor"   to  FA ??

Ahahahaha ...

most football fans, who actually know something about football said he was a shit manager when we made him head coach again. 

The worst part is Bielsa wanted the Socceroos job prior to joining Leeds and we signed up GA which is evidance that the people who run the FA/FFA have zero clue what they are doing. 

I actually think we will miss the next world cup we look like absolute shit in the final 1/3 missing Qatar would be terrible for the code becuz the timezone for viewing games might actually not be terrible for casual fans to view the games. 

Ga is a shit manager, he has failed  everywhere he has gone bar in the AL (domestically) which doesnt mean much.... We are getting what we deserve  

That's a very good point the lack of a full-time TD is really hurting us, after all who is evaluating the performances and selection of this team? 

The National TD has been a poised chalice role since Han Berger left in 2014 and the way FFA(Now FA) have handled this has been really poor, put it this way a real football country their national TD would have an important role not only for the senior team but also from all the way down the system.

This must be a priority for James Johnson and give him a hands on role in not only fixing our problems with player development but also making the national team coach accountable for what he does.

I'm sorry but I don't buy this.  Ange was pundit on Fox Sports prior to signing with Brisbane Roar and was treated like an absolute god until results started going pear shaped in qualifying. 

It's also a bit hard to compare then to now re. Robbie Slater. I mean isn't he out of a job? I haven't him say anything about anything lately (not that I care about his opinion).

The pen we conceded last night was from a hopeful high ball into the mixer which we failed to defend properly. 

This comment will get the FA coaching course gurus going for days? hahahahahahahahah

Remember  we had biesla saying he wanted the job but gallop and the old ffa thought his lack of English would hold him back.  

This.  Ange had his faults but he only quit because of the toxic relationship with the ffa and the foxsports mafia who wanted their mate in.  Weird how slater  is awfully quiet about it. But was taking to Twitter on ange in 2017

You all need to relax, the WC is in Qatar. It’s disgraceful we’re even participating in qualifiers. Hope we don’t make it.

100% this. If your going to pick a-league players then set up a friendly for them against a NSL or A-League team who are prepping for their seasons right fucking now!!!! they looking for games ffs. The stupidity of it all is insane.