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sydneyfc1987 - 11 Mar 2022 10:12 PM
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I think the biggest issue (in the west anyway) is people feel the need to place everything that happens in the world  into the spectrum of left vs right.

Its an attempt to simplify events so people can think they understand something when inreality things are far more complex. 

I mean today some republican bloke is calling Zelensky "woke". Sorry I thought he was a Nazi?

Exactly my point. Regardless of causation, this little tussle is having massive financial results across the world, especially at a time where economic growth has stumbled because of 2 years of the pandemic. The world is getting "angry" again, shit I'm furious myself. Problem is I'm not 100% sure what I am angry at and I am farked if I will let the mainstream media tell me what that anger should be directed towards... 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 12 Mar 2022 10:40 PM
sydneyfc1987 - 11 Mar 2022 10:12 PM

Exactly my point. Regardless of causation, this little tussle is having massive financial results across the world, especially at a time where economic growth has stumbled because of 2 years of the pandemic. The world is getting "angry" again, shit I'm furious myself. Problem is I'm not 100% sure what I am angry at and I am farked if I will let the mainstream media tell me what that anger should be directed towards... 

you can blame Trump and Putin

Trump for letting the pandemic spread and Putin for destabilizing the world order
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If Ukraine don’t surrender I cannot see how Russia can win this war without flattening the entire country. 

It would take so many soldiers to not only attack but then hold. They simply don’t have the resources. 





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Good informative read on this bio lab conspiracy theory the loonies are going on about 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/10/bioweapons-ukraine-russia-disinformation/

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this is a good read too

this is my gold standard go to source for fact checking 

Ukraine, US Biolabs, and an Ongoing Russian Disinformation Campaign
In an attempt to justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine, propagandists claimed the attack was focused on secret U.S. biolabs there.
Dan Evon
Published 24 February 2022

“Recently, ‘fake news’ about the alleged activities of American military biological laboratories in Ukraine has been spread in the media and social networks … No foreign biological laboratories operate in Ukraine. Statements recently made by individual politicians are not true and are a deliberate distortion of the facts.”


https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/02/24/us-biolabs-ukraine-russia/

I feel sorry for people in Russia when everything they see on their television news is misinformation.  Imagine living in a country like that.
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cesspit - 14 Mar 2022 5:21 PM
this is a good read too

this is my gold standard go to source for fact checking 

Ukraine, US Biolabs, and an Ongoing Russian Disinformation Campaign
In an attempt to justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine, propagandists claimed the attack was focused on secret U.S. biolabs there.
Dan Evon
Published 24 February 2022

“Recently, ‘fake news’ about the alleged activities of American military biological laboratories in Ukraine has been spread in the media and social networks … No foreign biological laboratories operate in Ukraine. Statements recently made by individual politicians are not true and are a deliberate distortion of the facts.”


https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/02/24/us-biolabs-ukraine-russia/

I feel sorry for people in Russia when everything they see on their television news is misinformation.  Imagine living in a country like that.

That's nice Loopy. 
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1. Russian Employee of state TV...interrupts broadcast with sign saying 'they're lying to you, don't believe the propaganda, stop the war' and made a video saying she's ashamed to have been a part of the system. Arrested and could face 15 years in jail for her brave action.
2. A religious zealot wanting to persecute gay people.

Which one or type of action do the freedom of speech warriors get behind?
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tsf - 15 Mar 2022 10:51 AM
1. Russian Employee of state TV...interrupts broadcast with sign saying 'they're lying to you, don't believe the propaganda, stop the war' and made a video saying she's ashamed to have been a part of the system. Arrested and could face 15 years in jail for her brave action.
2. A religious zealot wanting to persecute gay people.

Which one or type of action do the freedom of speech warriors get behind?

That's one brave lady indeed. Sadly people with that sort of genuine resolve to defend freedom of speech are few and far between. And that applies to people on all ends of the political spectrum here in Aus.

You're right though.  Some of the same types that can't stop using terms like "Orwellian" to describe western governments and media in the post-covid era seem to buy up Russian propaganda as fact despite Putin's Russia looking more like a society heading in the 1984 direction.

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the fweedumb warriors here in Australia only want fweedumb of speech to express their racist far right conspiracy theories which are harmful to people's health, but when it comes to genuine issues like trans rights they are outraged

end of day they are skyman bothering flat earthers who only want you to believe their warped Qanon version of rEaLiTy but want to shut down your right to dismiss their lunacy

one of the worst byproducts of the internet era is giving these nutjobs a voice on a broad platform and its well past time something was done about it
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cesspit - 15 Mar 2022 3:06 PM
the fweedumb warriors here in Australia only want fweedumb of speech to express their racist far right conspiracy theories which are harmful to people's health, but when it comes to genuine issues like trans rights they are outraged

end of day they are skyman bothering flat earthers who only want you to believe their warped Qanon version of rEaLiTy but want to shut down your right to dismiss their lunacy

one of the worst byproducts of the internet era is giving these nutjobs a voice on a broad platform and its well past time something was done about it

You the man Loopy but you're trying a bit too hard on this multi mate. Better go back and consult with your fellow nutcases. 



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tsf - 15 Mar 2022 10:51 AM
1. Russian Employee of state TV...interrupts broadcast with sign saying 'they're lying to you, don't believe the propaganda, stop the war' and made a video saying she's ashamed to have been a part of the system. Arrested and could face 15 years in jail for her brave action.
2. A religious zealot wanting to persecute gay people.

Which one or type of action do the freedom of speech warriors get behind?

It's hilarious that they're backing Putin for their own weird reasons.  Putin is a scumbag pure & simple.  
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Ukrainian farmers picking up abandoned Russian military equipment for the low low price of zero rubles.   


https://mobile.twitter.com/Djshaw62/status/1498257274976018436

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ErogenousZone - 15 Mar 2022 5:50 PM

Ukrainian farmers picking up abandoned Russian military equipment for the low low price of zero rubles.   


https://mobile.twitter.com/Djshaw62/status/1498257274976018436

:hehe:

Clearly Nazis stealing tanks to use as delivery systems for the biological weapons they've developed with the Bidens, Fauci and George Soros

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Enzo Bearzot - 28 Feb 2022 5:29 PM
ErogenousZone - 28 Feb 2022 5:22 PM

An "invasion like this" could have been much worse if he  iwanted to obliterate Ukraine.  The damage done has mostly targeted the Ukraine military. 


I wonder if Enzo still stands by this?

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bye Enzo
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Putin is losing and out of desperation will use chemical weapons like his buddy Bashar Assad.
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Vladimir Putin is suffering from a brain disorder caused by dementia, Parkinson’s disease or ‘roid rage’ resulting from steroid treatment for cancer, intelligence sources have claimed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10606487/Is-Putin-suffering-roid-rage-Spies-suggest-bloated-appearance-drugs-effect.html

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The Gold Standard in reliable news. The Daily Mail.


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Munrubenmuz - 16 Mar 2022 3:51 PM
The Gold Standard in reliable news. The Daily Mail.

its accurate on foreign policy issues 
domestic though, its a front for conservative parties
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Munrubenmuz - 16 Mar 2022 3:51 PM
The Gold Standard in reliable news. The Daily Mail.

You think they could at least focus on one. Not just take a wild stab at three conclusions
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Partition of Ukraine
No NATO membership
EU membership fast tracked
Peace
Putin dies sooner rather than later



Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club

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^ love the sig, 

A football club that only got its money because a corrupt thug was given free license to steal billions from the state while the people suffer in poverty. What a sob story hey...poor chelsea
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the Russian stoked neo-nazi biolab conspiracy would have to be the most outlandish narrative we've ever seen
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President Volodymyr Zelensky accused Germany of sacrificing Ukraine to protect its own business interests in a hard-hitting address to the German parliament on Thursday.“We see how many links your companies still have with Russia. With a country that uses them and those of other countries to finance the war,” Mr Zelensky told German MPs by video link.“We warned you. We told you Nord Stream was a preparation for war,” he said, referring to the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline with Russia, with Germany reliant on Moscow for more than half of its natural gas. “We were answered, it's a question of business. It's business, business, business.” In a powerful speech, he repeatedly invoked the memory of Germany’s Cold War division and the Berlin Wall.“In three weeks of war to defend our lives and our freedom, we have become convinced and have felt what perhaps you do not feel, which is that you are once again behind the wall — not the Berlin Wall, but a wall in the middle of Europe,” he said.“And this wall gets stronger with every bomb that falls and every decision that is not taken.”He urged Olaf Scholz, the German chancellor, to do more to help Ukraine and reminded him of Ronald Reagan’s famous cry in Berlin: “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall."

he must be a Chelsea fan as well !

Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club

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After the Crimea annexation in 2014 EU had an arm's embargo with Russia.
Alas the French have since sold aircraft and weapons to the ruskies.
EU business is business is business.

Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club

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Maybe a few of these clowns here will realise that energy independence is something we should be trying to achieve ourselves.

Locked in and beholden to mediaeval middle eastern autocrats is obviously something that needs fixing.


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Putin is getting desperate as he is losing

Blinken calls Russian atrocities 'war crime', warns of chemical attacks

Blinken calls Russian atrocities 'war crime', warns of chemical attacks

Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Thursday said that he views Russian atrocities in Ukraine as war crimes and raised warnings that Russian President Vladimir Putin is setting the stage for a potential chemical weapons attack, saying the isolated leader “may be growing more desperate.”

“Today, we have a strong sense of what Russia could do next,” Blinken said in remarks from the State Department. “We believe that Moscow may be setting the stage to use a chemical weapon and then falsely blame Ukraine to justify escalating its attacks on the Ukrainian people.”

The secretary’s remarks are part of the Biden administration's strategy to declassify intelligence to counter Russia’s disinformation and propaganda, warn the world of potential atrocities and unite a global response.

Blinken continued, saying that the U.S. believes that Russia will bring mercenaries from private military groups and foreign countries to Ukraine.

“President Putin acknowledged as much over the weekend, when he authorized the recruitment of additional forces for the Middle East and elsewhere,” Blinken said, adding that it pointed to a sense that “his war effort is not going as he hoped it would.”

The secretary said he views Russian atrocities in Ukraine as war crimes, citing specifically attacks on civilians and echoing earlier condemnation from President Biden, who called Putin a “war criminal” on Wednesday.

“After all the destruction of the past three weeks, I find it difficult to conclude that the Russians are doing otherwise,” the secretary said, citing some of the most egregious attacks documented so far in Russia’s 22-day war against Ukraine.

Blinken further warned that Russian forces are “likely to systematically kidnap local officials and replace them with puppets,” referencing the reported kidnapping of the Ukrainian mayor of the city of Melitopol, who was released on Wednesday in a prisoner exchange.

The secretary said another mayor was kidnapped in a southern city of Ukraine and has yet to be let go, calling it a “terror tactic.”

“Grab local officials, depose local governments, put proxies in their place,” Blinken said, outlining the Russian tactics.

He further warned that after Russian forces devastate Ukrainian cities, “Moscow may bring in officials from Russia to serve as local government officials and surge what they described as 'economic support' in an attempt to make the people dependent on Moscow for survival.”

The United Nations on Thursday issued a statement that it has counted 2,032 civilian casualties, with 780 killed and 1,252 injured — but believes the actual figure to be “considerably higher.”

The U.N. says casualties have been caused by the use of explosive weapons with a wide impact area, including shelling from heavy artillery and multiple-launch rocket systems, as well as missile strikes.

Blinken cited attacks on civilian sites this past week including Russian forces targeting a hospital, three schools, and a boarding school for visually impaired kids in the Luhansk region of Ukraine.

The secretary also cited a Russian bombing of a theater in the city of Mariupol where hundreds of people were sheltering from attacks. A sign reading “Children” in Russian was written on the pavement outside the building to warn off possible attacks from the air.

“Russian forces also opened fire on 10 civilians who were waiting in line for bread. These incidences join a long list of attacks on civilian, not military, locations across Ukraine, including apartment buildings, public squares and last week a maternity hospital in Mariupol,” Blinken said.

The secretary said this was part of Russia’s goal of “breaking the will of the Ukrainian people,” and said that the State Department is in the process of “documenting and evaluating potential war crimes being committed” and will share those with international efforts to investigate such crimes.

“I'm not going to get ahead of — for what the outcome will be or what the consequences will be. But I can say with conviction that there will be accountability for any war crimes that are determined to have occurred,” the secretary said.

--Updated at 3:12 p.m.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/598648-blinken-says-russian-attacks-on-civilians-war-crime

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Munrubenmuz - 18 Mar 2022 12:27 PM
Maybe a few of these clowns here will realise that energy independence is something we should be trying to achieve ourselves.

Locked in and beholden to mediaeval middle eastern autocrats is obviously something that needs fixing.

These absolute morons though would type a response as inane as ‘let me guess you’re typing from an iPhone!!!!!! They are mined you typeyoca leftie!!!!’

Although they’d probably spell ‘you’re’ as ‘your’. 

They fully support this machine. It’s insanity. Look at petrol price. There is not even a shortage of fuel and BP made some
thing like a a 20 billion profit. It’s all a fucking scam for the elite. 

Our kids and their kids are going to be fucked. 






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In the big picture we have been on the road of fucked for years led the greedy global corporates influencing useless leaders/govs and yes men we have nowadays..........
Weak as piss.


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