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Micko - 16 Jun 2022 8:52 PM
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South’s are terrible tonight. But it’s origin time and it’s when games like this happen. Back a few upsets for some good returns over the next couple of weeks. 

I’m inclined to think theyve been very ordinary all year…
As for returns, I had Drags in 3 multis… 
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hounddog - 16 Jun 2022 8:47 PM
That is the worst first half I can remember from a team which is supposed to be a contender.

There’s only been 2 contenders since Rd 1…
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Micko - 16 Jun 2022 8:52 PM
hounddog - 16 Jun 2022 8:47 PM

South’s are terrible tonight. But it’s origin time and it’s when games like this happen. Back a few upsets for some good returns over the next couple of weeks. 

Yes the comp is sacrificed to the god of SOO for about six weeks at this time every year, thus forfeiting the right to be called one of the world's elite sporting competitions.
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dman2018 - 16 Jun 2022 9:40 PM
Micko - 16 Jun 2022 8:52 PM

I’m inclined to think theyve been very ordinary all year…
As for returns, I had Drags in 3 multis… 
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Bugger if Souths could have executed you were a chance.

Overall a weird game.
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hounddog - 16 Jun 2022 9:43 PM
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Bugger if Souths could have executed you were a chance.

Overall a weird game.

Yeah well…
as they say…
no use crying over spilt Mock…
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How can a team dominate so much in the first half and score 32 points to zip and yet fail to score a single point over the second 40 minute session. Souffs were poor all night, they are not contenders in 2022.
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Mooloolabadog - 16 Jun 2022 9:41 PM
Micko - 16 Jun 2022 8:52 PM

Yes the comp is sacrificed to the god of SOO for about six weeks at this time every year, thus forfeiting the right to be called one of the world's elite sporting competitions.

South’s result had nothing to do with origin… 
There’s only 2 maybe 3 sides this year that can use it as an excuse (though they wouldn’t)… and they all won last week, and will all likely win this week…

That said I’m well in favour of 3 consecutive weeks of origin around a footy carnival with internationals, womens footy, a 9s tournament, and trade window…but I’m not a well paid innovator…Im just a humble content creator and influencer…

that said check out my Insta… I have a great deal on eyeliner and underboob bikinis…

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ODF - 16 Jun 2022 9:49 PM
How can a team dominate so much in the first half and score 32 points to zip and yet fail to score a single point over the second 40 minute session. Souffs were poor all night, they are not contenders in 2022.

Attitude… Desire…
Clocking off…
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dman2018 - 16 Jun 2022 9:53 PM
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South’s result had nothing to do with origin… 
There’s only 2 maybe 3 sides this year that can use it as an excuse (though they wouldn’t)… and they all won last week, and will all likely win this week…

That said I’m well in favour of 3 consecutive weeks of origin around a footy carnival with internationals, womens footy, a 9s tournament, and trade window…but I’m not a well paid innovator…Im just a humble content creator and influencer…

that said check out my Insta… I have a great deal on eyeliner and underboob bikinis…

And when i say womens footy, I mean anyone that identifies as a woman…whatever that is…. I’m not a biologist… 
Jaqui De Belinda will dominate…
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dman2018 - 16 Jun 2022 10:00 PM
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And when i say womens footy, I mean anyone that identifies as a woman…whatever that is…. I’m not a biologist… 
Jaqui De Belinda will dominate…

Lol @ Anyone that identifies as a woman.

Your gender is not determined by what you think, but rather what others determine of you.

At least that's the way it should be.
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Marki - 16 Jun 2022 10:12 PM
dman2018 - 16 Jun 2022 10:00 PM

Lol @ Anyone that identifies as a woman.

Your gender is not determined by what you think, but rather what others determine of you.

At least that's the way it should be.

SCIENCE!!!…
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dman2018 - 16 Jun 2022 9:53 PM
Mooloolabadog - 16 Jun 2022 9:41 PM

South’s result had nothing to do with origin… 
There’s only 2 maybe 3 sides this year that can use it as an excuse (though they wouldn’t)… and they all won last week, and will all likely win this week…

That said I’m well in favour of 3 consecutive weeks of origin around a footy carnival with internationals, womens footy, a 9s tournament, and trade window…but I’m not a well paid innovator…Im just a humble content creator and influencer…

that said check out my Insta… I have a great deal on eyeliner and underboob bikinis…

I wasn't  talking about this game or any game in particular. It's  the general bastardisation of the comp at this time every year that pisses me off.
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Mooloolabadog - 16 Jun 2022 11:17 PM
dman2018 - 16 Jun 2022 9:53 PM

I wasn't  talking about this game or any game in particular. It's  the general bastardisation of the comp at this time every year that pisses me off.

It's funny....I haven't seen the ugly mug of PVL on TV for a while now....

All I ever see is Abdo. 

Is PVL alive or is he focused on racing?
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Marki - 17 Jun 2022 4:38 AM
Mooloolabadog - 16 Jun 2022 11:17 PM

It's funny....I haven't seen the ugly mug of PVL on TV for a while now....

All I ever see is Abdo. 

Is PVL alive or is he focused on racing?

I thinks he’s been hanging out with the queen…
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Marki - 17 Jun 2022 4:38 AM
Mooloolabadog - 16 Jun 2022 11:17 PM

It's funny....I haven't seen the ugly mug of PVL on TV for a while now....

All I ever see is Abdo. 

Is PVL alive or is he focused on racing?

He reminds me of the old saying. "Flash as a rat with a gold tooth"
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Mooloolabadog - 16 Jun 2022 11:17 PM
dman2018 - 16 Jun 2022 9:53 PM

I wasn't  talking about this game or any game in particular. It's  the general bastardisation of the comp at this time every year that pisses me off.

The NRL clearly want to change the comp so they have origin on Sundays. The problem is the ratings. It rates great on Wednesday. The plan obviously was to have the game played for three weeks in the middle of the season on a weekend. But selling that doesn’t bring the money the players want. 

It might change one day but it won’t be anytime soon unless the NRL start making money off things other then tv rights. 

Just hope that our team isn’t hurt by origin too much. Just sign as many New Zealanders as possible 

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What would happen if NZ wanted a North v South Island origin series complete with stand downs and double ups.
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Micko - 17 Jun 2022 1:23 PM
Mooloolabadog - 16 Jun 2022 11:17 PM

The NRL clearly want to change the comp so they have origin on Sundays. The problem is the ratings. It rates great on Wednesday. The plan obviously was to have the game played for three weeks in the middle of the season on a weekend. But selling that doesn’t bring the money the players want. 

It might change one day but it won’t be anytime soon unless the NRL start making money off things other then tv rights. 

Just hope that our team isn’t hurt by origin too much. Just sign as many New Zealanders as possible 

The original concept was a winner takes all game then 2 games to win ie if one team wins two in a row then the series is over but they began rubbing their hands together and saw the third game as one of redemption even if a team had lost the first two. And that is the way it is promoted...your team still loses but not by quite as much.I  wonder how many are true rugby league fans? Do they follow the week in and week out NRL games so intently or is it a once a year offing. I couldn't watch the first game as I went to Penn and Teller and I really didn't give a schite. I would watch it and probably enjoy it but couldn't give a toss who won. 
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Mooloolabadog - 17 Jun 2022 3:54 PM
What would happen if NZ wanted a North v South Island origin series complete with stand downs and double ups.

It would be great for the game to introduce it. Don’t know if the money is there though. Obviously it would hurt the NRL clubs. 

Ideally a month with weekends full of rep games. Every team gets the month off. Make it mid season. Maybe one day

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Micko - 17 Jun 2022 5:30 PM
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It would be great for the game to introduce it. Don’t know if the money is there though. Obviously it would hurt the NRL clubs. 

Ideally a month with weekends full of rep games. Every team gets the month off. Make it mid season. Maybe one day

I agree.

Lower grades could keep playing and some NRL players could play some reserve grade for match fitness.

But why does SOO need to be mid-season, when conditions for fans and players at night can be cold and wet.

We could have a month of rep games after the NRL season, in better conditions for night footy and with no impact on the NRL season. Internationals between minor countries overlap the last few weeks of the semis.

There is an issue where players want to play for their country and for SOO have internationals at the same venue. So players who miss SOO selection can still play a game. 

No system is perfect but internationals would help keep players fit for SOO. 
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With the draw currently 16 teams, 25 rounds.
Next year 17 teams and ultimately we should aim for 20 teams.
Then 19 rounds every team plays every other team once, home and away alternate years.
Then have a 10 team semi final series that goes on extra week.
Bottom 10 teams play a nines tornament mid-week with international teams.
Overall 5 weeks carved out for the end of season rep games have SOO in the first 3 weeks and bigger internationals in the last 2 weeks.
Players would only have 1 week to back up for SOO, but that adds an additional layer of challenge and is the same for both sides. A 2 week break between SOO games or any other combination is possible.
The other option is a few additional derby games at the end of the season with teams playing traditional rivals.
In that case 3 weeks of derbys and drop the extra week of semis.
I guess we would play, Parra, St Merge and Souths in the derbys. 
The fact that derbys might impact on the semis, adds to the spice. I would never get tired of making Parra miss the semis.
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hounddog - 17 Jun 2022 6:00 PM
With the draw currently 16 teams, 25 rounds.
Next year 17 teams and ultimately we should aim for 20 teams.
Then 19 rounds every team plays every other team once, home and away alternate years.
Then have a 10 team semi final series that goes on extra week.
Bottom 10 teams play a nines tornament mid-week with international teams.
Overall 5 weeks carved out for the end of season rep games have SOO in the first 3 weeks and bigger internationals in the last 2 weeks.
Players would only have 1 week to back up for SOO, but that adds an additional layer of challenge and is the same for both sides. A 2 week break between SOO games or any other combination is possible.
The other option is a few additional derby games at the end of the season with teams playing traditional rivals.
In that case 3 weeks of derbys and drop the extra week of semis.
I guess we would play, Parra, St Merge and Souths in the derbys. 
The fact that derbys might impact on the semis, adds to the spice. I would never get tired of making Parra miss the semis.

A big no to 20 teams. 120 extra top 30 players. No attempt to expand the game only the number of teams. Too much rubbish  being served up now.
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Mooloolabadog - 17 Jun 2022 10:54 PM
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A big no to 20 teams. 120 extra top 30 players. No attempt to expand the game only the number of teams. Too much rubbish  being served up now.

Fair enough, there are other ways of achieving a similar outcome.

The issue is TV rights which needs a certain number of games, this is why we have 25 rounds.
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With the apparent lack of talent there are a few issues beyond the number of players and their DNA.

Many teams are over coached and players like Munster who back their instincts are rare.

Messages players are getting ages 14-18 are a factor here.

A good academy system can develop players in tne critical 14-18 age ranges. If we go down the expansion route is should be mandatory for all new clubs and eventually all clubs to have an academy.

If 14 seems young, they start at age 6 in UK soccer. But I think 14 is a good starting age for us.

Players outside the top 30 can't play NRL until after round 10, a stupid rule.

SOO also impacts on the quality of games as does wet night games. Any expansion should mean more daytime games.

The cap doesn't do a good job of distributing talent evenly, more clubs having academies will help.

For some reason many apparently talented lower graders don't make the cut. The problem isn't a lack of ability the player loses confidence and develops bad habits. We need a better way of rehabing those failed players in the lower grades or a alternative comps. This is where relaxing the top 30 rule can help, clubs should be able to draft in temporary replacements for injured players and pay them match payments. 
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hounddog - 18 Jun 2022 10:12 AM
With the apparent lack of talent there are a few issues beyond the number of players and their DNA.

Many teams are over coached and players like Munster who back their instincts are rare.

Messages players are getting ages 14-18 are a factor here.

A good academy system can develop players in tne critical 14-18 age ranges. If we go down the expansion route is should be mandatory for all new clubs and eventually all clubs to have an academy.

If 14 seems young, they start at age 6 in UK soccer. But I think 14 is a good starting age for us.

Players outside the top 30 can't play NRL until after round 10, a stupid rule.

SOO also impacts on the quality of games as does wet night games. Any expansion should mean more daytime games.

The cap doesn't do a good job of distributing talent evenly, more clubs having academies will help.

For some reason many apparently talented lower graders don't make the cut. The problem isn't a lack of ability the player loses confidence and develops bad habits. We need a better way of rehabing those failed players in the lower grades or a alternative comps. This is where relaxing the top 30 rule can help, clubs should be able to draft in temporary replacements for injured players and pay them match payments. 

The best talent in the q cup and NSW Cup are unused top 30 players sent down by their NRL clubs, so they are out as options to fill the extra spots. A couple of years ago the NRL admitted they were losing boy players in the 15 to 18 age group and the growth was due to women's participation. That is the worry.
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Mooloolabadog - 17 Jun 2022 10:54 PM
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A big no to 20 teams. 120 extra top 30 players. No attempt to expand the game only the number of teams. Too much rubbish  being served up now.

But that’s the problem. If we don’t expand we continue to lack the talented juniors. Desperately need sides in Perth, second New Zealand and even PNG. 

The argument that there isn’t enough talented players has always been short sighted. We can only improve talent if we increase juniors. And it’s very hard to increase juniors without a first grade side to inspire them. 

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Don’t shoot, I’m unarmed!!!…

Could/Should an expanded comp (3, 7,10 years from now)  include a PNG, ‘Pacifica’ based in NZ and a couple games in Fiji, one in Hawaii (no offence intended if this is offensiveI’m an ignorant man), and Perth???…

If you want some of what I’m smoking DM me…

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Micko - 18 Jun 2022 6:00 PM
Mooloolabadog - 17 Jun 2022 10:54 PM

But that’s the problem. If we don’t expand we continue to lack the talented juniors. Desperately need sides in Perth, second New Zealand and even PNG. 

The argument that there isn’t enough talented players has always been short sighted. We can only improve talent if we increase juniors. And it’s very hard to increase juniors without a first grade side to inspire them. 

Micko!!!!… 
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Mooloolabadog - 18 Jun 2022 12:53 PM
hounddog - 18 Jun 2022 10:12 AM

The best talent in the q cup and NSW Cup are unused top 30 players sent down by their NRL clubs, so they are out as options to fill the extra spots. A couple of years ago the NRL admitted they were losing boy players in the 15 to 18 age group and the growth was due to women's participation. That is the worry.

I’d reckon the majority of sports are increasingly losing boys that age… and have been for a while… for plenty of reasons…
The ‘participation numbers’ are definitely skewed… I think my favourite skews to date have been NRLol including touch footy numbers… and if I remember correctly CrockA absorbing MILO numbers…

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