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+xI’m pro-expansion as much as anyone. But for the life of me, I cannot understand the timing of this announcement. At a time when the AL is dying, I think the priorities are wrong. That’s unless they intend on replacing fans that have been around since day 1, with new fans in new markets? Honestly, I am at a complete loss as to how they think… And LOL at the $50 million they claim they will receive. They won’t even get half that amount. And a third will be chewed up by Silver Lake and another 10% by FA. Doubt Silverlake deal is "1/3 of license sales" They're more likely to have Dividends due, regardless of where APL get it.
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+x+xIm a little baffled by this, in one way its great for the game but in the other way what does it mean for the NSD especially teams coming those markets? The a-league expansion looks bringing in new entities whilst the NSD is focused more on helping existing teams make the jump into the top flight. I think there needs to be a blueprint on not only expansion but also on promotion and relegation and how this will be achieved in the future, the FA need to show some leadership with this in the future once the NSD comes in next year. Either way im happy for Canberra, I think an Tasmanian team would have been more interesting than helping NZ football out in my opinion. It's not really baffling. The NSD is an FA initiative. In the meantime, the APL will continue to do what it has always done: sell license fees. That's the MLS model. Anyone who thinks all of this is conducive to forming a smooth pyramid in Australia is dreaming. Absolutely zero chance of it happening in the next 10 to 15 years. Zero chance. Im just going with my perspective here, But I still think FA need to come out and explain the roadmap on expansion and eventual pro-rel in due course, I get that the APL are going to do there own thing after all its there own thing but with the NSD still in its infancy I can totally get why the APL are wanting more details on the NSD so its crucial the NSD gets sorted out within the next few months so we know what it can look like when it starts in 2024. But FA cant ignore the elephant in the room after that because there will hard conversations they will be needed to be had with the APL and if anything they should encourage the APL to expand its 15 and 16th team via the NSD and not act if they going in a different direction with seperate entities. Because at the moment there are question marks on everything and it seems the APL dont want to sit idle on something that doesnt exist yet and to push on with their own plans to grow their business and league.
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for those interested, Vince Rugari is confident and emphatic that this will have no impact on the time scale of P and R
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+x+x+xAuckland over a Tasmanian! Cannot for the life me understand this fixation with Auckland. Tasmania would be a colossal failure. Imagine playing out of monster AFL grounds with only 3k attending. Have you watched WU when they play games in Ballarat and Tasmania? Absolute crickets. TASMANIA WILL NEVER EVER WORK (unless they build their own boutique rectangular stadium) Auckland is an inspired choice. A super derby with Wellington is an intriguing prospect, they could easily get crowds of 30k+ packed into Eden, or sell out Sky stadium. Tasmania wouldn’t even get 3k. Can't agree with you on Auckland but do agree with you on Tasmania. BTW Canberra will never work. Why do you think Canberra will never work?
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+xfor those interested, Vince Rugari is confident and emphatic that this will have no impact on the time scale of P and R I agree with ol Vinnie for once... This will have absolutely NO IMPACT on time scale for Pro/Rel into/out of Aleague..... hard to delay something that is never going to happen
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+x+xfor those interested, Vince Rugari is confident and emphatic that this will have no impact on the time scale of P and R I agree with ol Vinnie for once... This will have absolutely NO IMPACT on time scale for Pro/Rel into/out of Aleague..... hard to delay something that is never going to happen being on oz football fan means there are a lot of heart breaks in oz history. So can't begrudge the cynicism I think though in this case p and r requires all actors with power to act in their interest. So it is likely to happen
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+xfor those interested, Vince Rugari is confident and emphatic that this will have no impact on the time scale of P and R Lol. What would he know. He thinks Auckland is a good idea.
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+x+x+x+xAuckland over a Tasmanian! Cannot for the life me understand this fixation with Auckland. Tasmania would be a colossal failure. Imagine playing out of monster AFL grounds with only 3k attending. Have you watched WU when they play games in Ballarat and Tasmania? Absolute crickets. TASMANIA WILL NEVER EVER WORK (unless they build their own boutique rectangular stadium) Auckland is an inspired choice. A super derby with Wellington is an intriguing prospect, they could easily get crowds of 30k+ packed into Eden, or sell out Sky stadium. Tasmania wouldn’t even get 3k. Can't agree with you on Auckland but do agree with you on Tasmania. BTW Canberra will never work. Why do you think Canberra will never work? I think Canberra (my team) will do alright. Population up over half a mil, decent size rectangular stadium, support from ACT govt, decent away support with travelling Sydney supporters. It really depends how you define “work”. If they average over 7k, that will be successful imo, less than 5k, unsuccessful imo. I think they will average about 7k, but momentum is an important thing, if the A league is doing well generally that will flow onto the new clubs.
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+x+x+xIm a little baffled by this, in one way its great for the game but in the other way what does it mean for the NSD especially teams coming those markets? The a-league expansion looks bringing in new entities whilst the NSD is focused more on helping existing teams make the jump into the top flight. I think there needs to be a blueprint on not only expansion but also on promotion and relegation and how this will be achieved in the future, the FA need to show some leadership with this in the future once the NSD comes in next year. Either way im happy for Canberra, I think an Tasmanian team would have been more interesting than helping NZ football out in my opinion. It's not really baffling. The NSD is an FA initiative. In the meantime, the APL will continue to do what it has always done: sell license fees. That's the MLS model. Anyone who thinks all of this is conducive to forming a smooth pyramid in Australia is dreaming. Absolutely zero chance of it happening in the next 10 to 15 years. Zero chance. Im just going with my perspective here, But I still think FA need to come out and explain the roadmap on expansion and eventual pro-rel in due course, I get that the APL are going to do there own thing after all its there own thing but with the NSD still in its infancy I can totally get why the APL are wanting more details on the NSD so its crucial the NSD gets sorted out within the next few months so we know what it can look like when it starts in 2024. But FA cant ignore the elephant in the room after that because there will hard conversations they will be needed to be had with the APL and if anything they should encourage the APL to expand its 15 and 16th team via the NSD and not act if they going in a different direction with seperate entities. Because at the moment there are question marks on everything and it seems the APL dont want to sit idle on something that doesnt exist yet and to push on with their own plans to grow their business and league. What "details" do they need though? In 3 months they will know whcih teams are involved and what the mechanisms (if any) are in place for the complete Australian football pyramid... APL isnt involved nor should they be, they are running their own model so why even pretend? Do you not think it is even just a tiny coincidence that such a "rapid" expansion process is being pushed through (to be set up, from scratch in 3 months, by June no less) by the APL despite the language around expansion being a lot cooler a few months ago? What ever happened to "consolidation because Jets, CCM, Adelaide and Perth still have ownership issues"? What has changed in the Australian Football landscape since say last month????? .... Are the "fish" in Canberra and Auckland screaming any louder now for a new football franchise than they were 3 months ago? This is WAR ladies and gentleman..... gather your popcorn and drinks and enjoy the ride over the next 3-4 months.....
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+x+x+x+xAuckland over a Tasmanian! Cannot for the life me understand this fixation with Auckland. Tasmania would be a colossal failure. Imagine playing out of monster AFL grounds with only 3k attending. Have you watched WU when they play games in Ballarat and Tasmania? Absolute crickets. TASMANIA WILL NEVER EVER WORK (unless they build their own boutique rectangular stadium) Auckland is an inspired choice. A super derby with Wellington is an intriguing prospect, they could easily get crowds of 30k+ packed into Eden, or sell out Sky stadium. Tasmania wouldn’t even get 3k. Can't agree with you on Auckland but do agree with you on Tasmania. BTW Canberra will never work. Why do you think Canberra will never work? Too spread out, no engagement with locals, everyone pisses off over summer either home or to the south coast where every second person has a holiday home. Canberra is like a hospital. It's somewhere you'd go if you have to but that's about it. The city is more sterile than Singapore and that's saying something. I could be way off but I'm pretty confident they won't get more than 4k to a game once the season has bedded down. The joint is a ghost town. Have a look at how many the Brumbies pull and they're miles more popular than football.
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grazor, I don't know what your feeding from thinking the "impossible" P/R can or will happen, its just illogical full stop period. Its like telling a Maccas/KFC franchise owner your going to join the smaller private small sector opponents when the time comes due to your annual figures don't stack up therefore your demoted. Seriously your dreaming.
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+x+x+xfor those interested, Vince Rugari is confident and emphatic that this will have no impact on the time scale of P and R I agree with ol Vinnie for once... This will have absolutely NO IMPACT on time scale for Pro/Rel into/out of Aleague..... hard to delay something that is never going to happen being on oz football fan means there are a lot of heart breaks in oz history. So can't begrudge the cynicism I think though in this case p and r requires all actors with power to act in their interest. So it is likely to happen And I applaud your optimism mate but............ I really dont see how it is in the interest of a foreign consortium who have stumped up 25 million (plus 10-15 mill to set up a club from scratch) in Canberra to EVER operate in an environment like a second division which would not allow them to make a profit let alone re-cooperate costs.... This isnt a heart break AT ALL mate... its just solidified which direction APL is going....... I DO find it ironic that soon foreign ownership of the A-League will be welcomed when the original "mission statement" of the scheme was to keep the "foreigners" out though... Good luck to all.
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+xgrazor, I don't know what your feeding from thinking the "impossible" P/R can or will happen, its just illogical full stop period. Its like telling a Maccas/KFC franchise owner your going to join the smaller private small sector opponents when the time comes due to your annual figures don't stack up therefore your demoted. Seriously your dreaming. It isn’t up to the apl or the club owners what happens
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IMO the beyond interesting part is the 25 million fee.... thats 50 million plus two more teams say another 50 million... thats 100 million over two years.... assume then we add two more teams with fees...
Thats a mega investment given our current position pertaining to crowds, ratings, media coverage....
Just on P & R.... there is a way around the fee paid thing... it greatly depends on growing the leagues revenue a lot.... the key is sent down fee... say we only have one team ... and that teams gets say 20 million if sent down.... and this will be for the next ????? say 12 years....
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+x+x+x+x+xAuckland over a Tasmanian! Cannot for the life me understand this fixation with Auckland. Tasmania would be a colossal failure. Imagine playing out of monster AFL grounds with only 3k attending. Have you watched WU when they play games in Ballarat and Tasmania? Absolute crickets. TASMANIA WILL NEVER EVER WORK (unless they build their own boutique rectangular stadium) Auckland is an inspired choice. A super derby with Wellington is an intriguing prospect, they could easily get crowds of 30k+ packed into Eden, or sell out Sky stadium. Tasmania wouldn’t even get 3k. Can't agree with you on Auckland but do agree with you on Tasmania. BTW Canberra will never work. Why do you think Canberra will never work? Too spread out, no engagement with locals, everyone pisses off over summer either home or to the south coast where every second person has a holiday home. Canberra is like a hospital. It's somewhere you'd go if you have to but that's about it. The city is more sterile than Singapore and that's saying something. I could be way off but I'm pretty confident they won't get more than 4k to a game once the season has bedded down. The joint is a ghost town. Have a look at how many the Brumbies pull and they're miles more popular than football. and talking Brumbies and Raiders. The codes that have runs on the board, lots more resource and they struggle but ingrained farfar more than Football. Union has been on the slide since the Gregan heydays whereas NRL Raiders have had some good seasons over the years and very entrenched. The crowdest I've seen Canbra football wise is attending the Kanga Cup in July with your kids, U9 - U18's. Doubt a franchise will be sustainable but one of the 2 Clubs with history and EOI in would likely gain some traction I reckon due to some rivalry with fellow wog/aussie visiting Clubs. It sure is a strange/sterile place to visit.
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+xIMO the beyond interesting part is the 25 million fee.... thats 50 million plus two more teams say another 50 million... t hats 100 million over two years.... assume then we add two more teams with fees... Thats a mega investment given our current position pertaining to crowds, ratings, media coverage.... Just on P & R.... there is a way around the fee paid thing... it greatly depends on growing the leagues revenue a lot.... the key is sent down fee... say we only have one team ... and that teams gets say 20 million if sent down.... and this will be for the next ????? say 12 years.... Maybe get the money first before thinking about where to spend it matey :) Danny boy hasnt been able to sell the existing franchise licenses he owns let alone the two new ones he created out of thni air (in profitable markets) heheheheheh
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+x+xgrazor, I don't know what your feeding from thinking the "impossible" P/R can or will happen, its just illogical full stop period. Its like telling a Maccas/KFC franchise owner your going to join the smaller private small sector opponents when the time comes due to your annual figures don't stack up therefore your demoted. Seriously your dreaming. It isn’t up to the apl or the club owners what happens Yes it is. There's serious delusion on your part if you think Canberra or Auckland (still can't get over it) are going to stump up $25 million (not to mention $10m start up costs) without guarantees in place regards pro / rel. No way. Do you honestly think Canberra could be relegated having just forked out $25 million for a license?
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+xIMO the beyond interesting part is the 25 million fee.... thats 50 million plus two more teams say another 50 million... thats 100 million over two years.... assume then we add two more teams with fees... Thats a mega investment given our current position pertaining to crowds, ratings, media coverage.... Just on P & R.... there is a way around the fee paid thing... it greatly depends on growing the leagues revenue a lot.... the key is sent down fee... say we only have one team ... and that teams gets say 20 million if sent down.... and this will be for the next ????? say 12 years.... Indeed 100million in the apl kitty is insane wonder how they spend it. With that huge amount of money now would be a really good time to have an independent a league board to make sure the money isn’t wasted….
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+x+xIMO the beyond interesting part is the 25 million fee.... thats 50 million plus two more teams say another 50 million... thats 100 million over two years.... assume then we add two more teams with fees... Thats a mega investment given our current position pertaining to crowds, ratings, media coverage.... Just on P & R.... there is a way around the fee paid thing... it greatly depends on growing the leagues revenue a lot.... the key is sent down fee... say we only have one team ... and that teams gets say 20 million if sent down.... and this will be for the next ????? say 12 years.... Indeed 100million in the apl kitty is insane wonder how they spend it. With that huge amount of money now would be a really good time to have an independent a league board to make sure the money isn’t wasted…. Maybe they can improve the Keep Up website?
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+xThat price tag is viewed as a significant obstacle by Ivan Vuksich, the chairman of Auckland’s most prominent existing club, Auckland City, who has been working on an A-Leagues bid alongside property developer Alex Sipka, going so far as to set up a new company, Auckland FC, in September 2021. “Alex and I formed the company and Alex is a reasonably wealthy man, but not wealthy enough to do this sort of stuff,” Vuksich said. “We had talked to two or three different investors and they were all reasonably keen to come on board, so we were going to probably have five investors.” Vuksich was among the stakeholders that met with Townsend and APL chief operating officer Nick Garcia during their visit to Auckland earlier this month and he said that while he had shared the Auckland FC vision with them, the subject of a licence fee wasn’t raised. When the $21–$27 million price tag was put to Vuksich on Wednesday, he said it would mean Auckland FC was “out of the running” as a standalone entity. Probably good to include the link there: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/131498777/search-for-investors-in-new-auckland-aleagues-club-begins-with-entry-set-for-2024So Auckland might not be a goer unless Vuksich and Sipka find some rich collaborators, or con $25 million out of the Trillian Trust. Which will probably please many here.
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+x+x+x+x+xAuckland over a Tasmanian! Cannot for the life me understand this fixation with Auckland. Tasmania would be a colossal failure. Imagine playing out of monster AFL grounds with only 3k attending. Have you watched WU when they play games in Ballarat and Tasmania? Absolute crickets. TASMANIA WILL NEVER EVER WORK (unless they build their own boutique rectangular stadium) Auckland is an inspired choice. A super derby with Wellington is an intriguing prospect, they could easily get crowds of 30k+ packed into Eden, or sell out Sky stadium. Tasmania wouldn’t even get 3k. Can't agree with you on Auckland but do agree with you on Tasmania. BTW Canberra will never work. Why do you think Canberra will never work? Too spread out, no engagement with locals, everyone pisses off over summer either home or to the south coast where every second person has a holiday home. Canberra is like a hospital. It's somewhere you'd go if you have to but that's about it. The city is more sterile than Singapore and that's saying something. I could be way off but I'm pretty confident they won't get more than 4k to a game once the season has bedded down. The joint is a ghost town. Have a look at how many the Brumbies pull and they're miles more popular than football. Lots of warped stereotypes here. Have you actually ever lived in Canberra? This is typically the opinion of outsiders and not people who actually live there. Obviously the goal is to appeal to actual residents rather than visiting politicians, business travellers and tourism bloggers.
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+x+x+xIMO the beyond interesting part is the 25 million fee.... thats 50 million plus two more teams say another 50 million... thats 100 million over two years.... assume then we add two more teams with fees... Thats a mega investment given our current position pertaining to crowds, ratings, media coverage.... Just on P & R.... there is a way around the fee paid thing... it greatly depends on growing the leagues revenue a lot.... the key is sent down fee... say we only have one team ... and that teams gets say 20 million if sent down.... and this will be for the next ????? say 12 years.... Indeed 100million in the apl kitty is insane wonder how they spend it. With that huge amount of money now would be a really good time to have an independent a league board to make sure the money isn’t wasted…. Maybe they can improve the Keep Up website? Free youtubes of all games has been fantastic
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Awww man, if you guys hated Danny Townsend before... 
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+xThat price tag is viewed as a significant obstacle by Ivan Vuksich, the chairman of Auckland’s most prominent existing club, Auckland City, who has been working on an A-Leagues bid alongside property developer Alex Sipka, going so far as to set up a new company, Auckland FC, in September 2021. “Alex and I formed the company and Alex is a reasonably wealthy man, but not wealthy enough to do this sort of stuff,” Vuksich said. “We had talked to two or three different investors and they were all reasonably keen to come on board, so we were going to probably have five investors.” Vuksich was among the stakeholders that met with Townsend and APL chief operating officer Nick Garcia during their visit to Auckland earlier this month and he said that while he had shared the Auckland FC vision with them, the subject of a licence fee wasn’t raised. When the $21–$27 million price tag was put to Vuksich on Wednesday, he said it would mean Auckland FC was “out of the running” as a standalone entity. Typical NZ tight arse bullshit. They'll come back with a counter offer of 50,000 and we'll fall for it because they have nice fucking mountains
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+x+x+x+x+xAuckland over a Tasmanian! Cannot for the life me understand this fixation with Auckland. Tasmania would be a colossal failure. Imagine playing out of monster AFL grounds with only 3k attending. Have you watched WU when they play games in Ballarat and Tasmania? Absolute crickets. TASMANIA WILL NEVER EVER WORK (unless they build their own boutique rectangular stadium) Auckland is an inspired choice. A super derby with Wellington is an intriguing prospect, they could easily get crowds of 30k+ packed into Eden, or sell out Sky stadium. Tasmania wouldn’t even get 3k. Can't agree with you on Auckland but do agree with you on Tasmania. BTW Canberra will never work. Why do you think Canberra will never work? Too spread out, no engagement with locals, everyone pisses off over summer either home or to the south coast where every second person has a holiday home. Canberra is like a hospital. It's somewhere you'd go if you have to but that's about it. The city is more sterile than Singapore and that's saying something. I could be way off but I'm pretty confident they won't get more than 4k to a game once the season has bedded down. The joint is a ghost town. Have a look at how many the Brumbies pull and they're miles more popular than football. Well I've lived in Canberra and was surrounded by keen sockah fans. Population is now 450k, whilst I don't think it was past 250k at the end of the NSLs years (was only 200k in 1977) When the Canberra team was doing well they sometimes pulled 7-8k crowds. The crowds declined when the team proved to be not competitive enough. I think they can easily get 7-8k again. Bruce is a central enough spot, if they are going to play there. I'm sure they can make a go of it with a resurrected Cosmos rather than an amalgamation of local clubs.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAuckland over a Tasmanian! Cannot for the life me understand this fixation with Auckland. Tasmania would be a colossal failure. Imagine playing out of monster AFL grounds with only 3k attending. Have you watched WU when they play games in Ballarat and Tasmania? Absolute crickets. TASMANIA WILL NEVER EVER WORK (unless they build their own boutique rectangular stadium) Auckland is an inspired choice. A super derby with Wellington is an intriguing prospect, they could easily get crowds of 30k+ packed into Eden, or sell out Sky stadium. Tasmania wouldn’t even get 3k. Can't agree with you on Auckland but do agree with you on Tasmania. BTW Canberra will never work. Why do you think Canberra will never work? Too spread out, no engagement with locals, everyone pisses off over summer either home or to the south coast where every second person has a holiday home. Canberra is like a hospital. It's somewhere you'd go if you have to but that's about it. The city is more sterile than Singapore and that's saying something. I could be way off but I'm pretty confident they won't get more than 4k to a game once the season has bedded down. The joint is a ghost town. Have a look at how many the Brumbies pull and they're miles more popular than football. Lots of warped stereotypes here. Have you actually ever lived in Canberra? This is typically the opinion of outsiders and not people who actually live there. Obviously the goal is to appeal to actual residents rather than visiting politicians, business travellers and tourism bloggers. Lived? No. But I've been to Canberra dozens of times. But anyway I'll willing to bet a slab here to any taker that a Canberra team will average less than 4k in the second half of the season they get in. Anyone? Looking forward to people losing their shit when they schedule a match at 5pm in Canberra and it's 38 degrees. Think the whinging is bad now.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAuckland over a Tasmanian! Cannot for the life me understand this fixation with Auckland. Tasmania would be a colossal failure. Imagine playing out of monster AFL grounds with only 3k attending. Have you watched WU when they play games in Ballarat and Tasmania? Absolute crickets. TASMANIA WILL NEVER EVER WORK (unless they build their own boutique rectangular stadium) Auckland is an inspired choice. A super derby with Wellington is an intriguing prospect, they could easily get crowds of 30k+ packed into Eden, or sell out Sky stadium. Tasmania wouldn’t even get 3k. Can't agree with you on Auckland but do agree with you on Tasmania. BTW Canberra will never work. Why do you think Canberra will never work? Too spread out, no engagement with locals, everyone pisses off over summer either home or to the south coast where every second person has a holiday home. Canberra is like a hospital. It's somewhere you'd go if you have to but that's about it. The city is more sterile than Singapore and that's saying something. I could be way off but I'm pretty confident they won't get more than 4k to a game once the season has bedded down. The joint is a ghost town. Have a look at how many the Brumbies pull and they're miles more popular than football. Well I've lived in Canberra and was surrounded by keen sockah fans. Population is now 450k, whilst I don't think it was past 250k at the end of the NSLs years (was only 200k in 1977) When the Canberra team was doing well they sometimes pulled 7-8k crowds. The crowds declined when the team proved to be not competitive enough. I think they can easily get 7-8k again. Bruce is a central enough spot, if they are going to play there. I'm sure they can make a go of it with a resurrected Cosmos rather than an amalgamation of local clubs. Fair enough. We shall see.
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+xAwww man, if you guys hated Danny Townsend before... He's right. Fans from all over Australian and New Zealand will tune into watch a super derby. By derby I mean a genuine one like Wanderers v Sydney FC with genuine geographic/cultural/socioeconomic rivalry, rather than a fake one like Victory v Hearts, or Macarthur v WSW. Derbies are the type of spectacles that can really galvanise fans, media and the sporting public to get behind a team and give them something to build on for regular season fixtures. Wellington v Auckland will be a genuine super derby and I will be watching with keen interest, as will 30k in the stadium and hundreds of thousands across Aus and NZ.
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+xAwww man, if you guys hated Danny Townsend before... Hahahaah gold, so Danny wants to establish Pro rel in NZ but doesnt know what the FAs plans for it are in Australia yet? hahahahahahahah this get better and better.
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+x+xAwww man, if you guys hated Danny Townsend before... He's right. Fans from all over Australian and New Zealand will tune into watch a super derby. By derby I mean a genuine one like Wanderers v Sydney FC with genuine geographic/cultural/socioeconomic rivalry, rather than a fake one like Victory v Hearts, or Macarthur v WSW. Derbies are the type of spectacles that can really galvanise fans, media and the sporting public to get behind a team and give them something to build on for regular season fixtures. Wellington v Auckland will be a genuine super derby and I will be watching with keen interest, as will 30k in the stadium and hundreds of thousands across Aus and NZ. Thats the spirit...... Derbies is where its at baby....
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