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the pitch was completely awful so hard to read too much into it

mind you they will try and qualify on awful pitches. I'm glad they get a chance to form combinations now rather than in a knock out tournament. Shows the importance in investing in these tournaments

I'm surprised jelacic didn't start. We dominated territory and possession but needed a creative mid
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meanwhile....why would Qatar bother timewasting so much at youth level? At international level sure (although annoying) but surely these kids want all the exposure and development they can get at this age
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I don’t know how many times I felt frustration and disappointment watching the Socceroos over the years going all the way back to missing out qualifying for the 2002 World Cup.
Those frustrating games sure outnumber the gems.
So many games under different Bosses over 21 years and 
now watching a new generation of players and it’ feels no different.
21 years of loads of frustration.
Disappointed with that result.
Even the stream I watched didn’t even show the penalties after the full time whistle  adding to further frustration.
I guess they were doing me a favour considering the penalty result.


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grazorblade - 7 Jun 2023 1:04 AM
meanwhile....why would Qatar bother timewasting so much at youth level? At international level sure (although annoying) but surely these kids want all the exposure and development they can get at this age

This 

Absolute pea hearts middle easterns. It's why they will never do anything on the world stage, 
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Insert something in here about results not mattering.


Member since 2008.


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Volkira - 7 Jun 2023 6:26 AM
any comfort I don’t know how many times I felt frustration and disappointment watching the Socceroos over the years going all the way back to missing out qualifying for the 2002 World Cup.
Those frustrating games sure outnumber the gems.
So many games under different Bosses over 21 years and 
now watching a new generation of players and it’ feels no different.
21 years of loads of frustration.
Disappointed with that result.
Even the stream I watched didn’t even show the penalties after the full time whistle  adding to further frustration.
I guess they were doing me a favour considering the penalty result.


If it's any comfort how many of yesterday's team are in your starting xi for this age group? Talbot, Bos triantis, circati, gauci, jelacic, tillio, at minimum. Probably kuol, irankunda toure and volpato too if all available
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grazorblade - 7 Jun 2023 3:43 PM
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If it's any comfort how many of yesterday's team are in your starting xi for this age group? Talbot, Bos triantis, circati, gauci, jelacic, tillio, at minimum. Probably kuol, irankunda toure and volpato too if all available

My frustration isn’t about the individual.
It’s more about how we play no matter Men or youths.
We control the ball  so often in games but we don’t do much with it in the final third.
Again yesterday it was only Botic’s header that caused the Qatari keeper to actually do something.
The Qatari defense was never put in a position of stress except at the end when they gave away the free kick.
Our midfield didn’t seem to know how to move forward.
Hopefully the manager gets that sorted next game.

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Volkira - 7 Jun 2023 4:16 PM
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My frustration isn’t about the individual.
It’s more about how we play no matter Men or youths.
We control the ball  so often in games but we don’t do much with it in the final third.
Again yesterday it was only Botic’s header that caused the Qatari keeper to actually do something.
The Qatari defense was never put in a position of stress except at the end when they gave away the free kick.
Our midfield didn’t seem to know how to move forward.
Hopefully the manager gets that sorted next game.

The pitch was very difficult. Beating a packed defence on a rubbish pitch against a team that is less talented but has had way more he's together to organize well was hard even for our golden gen

Harder again with our regular creators and scorers on the bench or on the plane

On the plus side we are playing at least some more games than we were in the past at this level

Needs to be even more games imo. FIFA windows should be used to friendlies between youth teams and a league clubs or something
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grazorblade - 7 Jun 2023 5:55 PM
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The pitch was very difficult. Beating a packed defence on a rubbish pitch against a team that is less talented but has had way more he's together to organize well was hard even for our golden gen

Harder again with our regular creators and scorers on the bench or on the plane

On the plus side we are playing at least some more games than we were in the past at this level

Needs to be even more games imo. FIFA windows should be used to friendlies between youth teams and a league clubs or something

To be fair it’s common to see this with the junior national teams and even the senior team who always seem to struggle to break down deep block defences.

Not sure what’s the symptom to this problem though. 
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So we a chane to win tomorrow night then? 
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Barca4Life - 7 Jun 2023 6:09 PM
grazorblade - 7 Jun 2023 5:55 PM

To be fair it’s common to see this with the junior national teams and even the senior team who always seem to struggle to break down deep block defences.

Not sure what’s the symptom to this problem though. 

If I say its because the NC values possession at all costs over forward movement and creating meaningful creative moments you will get upset so ....... I wont :)
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grazorblade - 7 Jun 2023 5:55 PM
Volkira - 7 Jun 2023 4:16 PM

The pitch was very difficult. Beating a packed defence on a rubbish pitch against a team that is less talented but has had way more he's together to organize well was hard even for our golden gen

Harder again with our regular creators and scorers on the bench or on the plane

On the plus side we are playing at least some more games than we were in the past at this level

Needs to be even more games imo. FIFA windows should be used to friendlies between youth teams and a league clubs or something

100% kudos to the FA for starting to see the light and get our younger squads out an about in the world.... 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 9 Jun 2023 2:16 PM
Barca4Life - 7 Jun 2023 6:09 PM

If I say it’s because the NC values possession at all costs over forward movement and creating meaningful creative moments you will get upset so ....... I wont :)

I’d say the NC values effective possession as said in the document…the problem is it’s more suited to quick attacks where you can play high tempo throughout the game.

The problem is players aren’t taught well to be effective with long spells of possession where you have to be patient and probe where you face deep block defences especially in Asia where they try to slow the game down.

Regarding your cheeky second part I’m not going to lie I’m a fan of the NC as it seems to have made a positive evolution to Aussie player development but as know with these things it’s not always perfect and it could always evolve with a few tweaks here and there.


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There were quite a few YouTube live streams of the first game. If you search the Qatar game and choose the live filter they'll be there.

It appears a lot were in fact uploaded post game. Finding those channels will at least give some indication of a live or delayed telecast for those abroad. 
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Starting XI vs Mediterranean Select:

Bilokapic
Italiano Bility JCP Mauragis
Teague Holman
Jelacic
G. Kuol  A. Kuol  Velupillay


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https://www.youtube.com/live/wgxssr9VC_Y?feature=share

Seems alright. They'll flick over apparently. 
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Nice goal by Australia. JCP with a good ball and Garang can use his pace to get to it. Cross to Alou goes through and Vellupillay can score.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyKr-vfmWkU
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Wow Italiano actually doing something for a change. Maybe deeper at right back is for him. 
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Vellupillay on the double. Garang with a strong low shot saved and it's put away. 
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Bility off with a knock. Rawlins on. Silly goal to concede with corner going through and unmarked man can rocket over Bilokapic's head.

Turns out the blonde topknot midfield is the Hannover 96 one. 

Saudi have drawn with France and won that on pens but lost a shoot-out to Venezuela. We'll get a 4 game as there are positional placings as well and knock out stage. 
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2:2. Great strike but so unnecessary. Very unhappy with the past 20min.
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We've created nothing since the 2nd goal, pretty dire football 
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our set piece defence is very poor. Hopefully with more time together that improves....

2 nicely goals from us though

still no where near our best team with tilio, neiwenhoff, talbot, triantis on the bench
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angusozi - 9 Jun 2023 10:48 PM
We've created nothing since the 2nd goal, pretty dire football 

mental part of the game. Looked like we were going to win 10-0 and we dropped intensity to get punished
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51:50 for example. Some quick passing and numbers and Teague just trots back to his midfield head down not even looking to make a jolt and do something to create space. Just realised how anonymous Alou is today.
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FFS Alou is cursed nowadays. 
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3:2 Australia. Teague can redeem a sluggish display but tapping it in from half a metre.
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johnszasz - 9 Jun 2023 10:33 PM
Bility off with a knock. Rawlins on. Silly goal to concede with corner going through and unmarked man can rocket over Bilokapic's head.

Turns out the blonde topknot midfield is the Hannover 96 one. 

Saudi have drawn with France and won that on pens but lost a shoot-out to Venezuela. We'll get a 4 game as there are positional placings as well and knock out stage. 

Top nots been their best player
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Team for Mexico game

                               Bilokapic
             Rawlins Triantis JCP Farrell
                  Nieuwenhof  D'Arrigo
                             Jelacic
                   Peupion Botic Tilio

                
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