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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthere's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs (both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer (depends on who you ask 😉).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too. So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Ryan had already thumbed his nose a Celtic, so not an option.
The others are all unproven at that level. Rhyann Grant furfuxsake!!!!!!!!
WTF is the hard on for Sainsbury, what has actually done at European level ?
Was a star at his Dutch club. Then was made captain at his Swiss club despite only being on 6 month loan. Over 50 caps for socceroos. Starred at Asian cup, WC and Confeds Cup. Played champions league at psv. Suits Ange ball to a T also!
10 games [2 of which were CL games] in 2 seasons for PSV :laugh: Your standards are either extremely low, or you overrate Australian talent tremendously. You say I was being snobbish in a previous post, but in all honesty, I was just being realistic. It's not Ange's job to take Australian players to any of his clubs abroad, and by doing so, he'd bring even more pressure onto himself in the process. A player like Mooy would be accepted, as he is a proven performer in the EPL, and a good player to boot. But Rhyan Grant: no chance. Remember when Matt McKay went from the Roar to Rangers... and stunk the joint up whilst there? The AL is the ceiling for a lad like Grant, and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
Whilst I do hope that we see more Australian players abroad in the future, there's a serious mentality issue with a lot of them, which more often than not sees them back in the AL within a season of heading overseas. To have a career abroad [in any profession] takes a lot of guts and sacrifices, and a lot of the Australian players seem happy enough to chill in the AL playing 30 or so games [tops] a year on a comfortable enough wage. 1. He played 1 season, left after the first couple of matches in the 2nd. So lets not misconstrue the facts to support your argument. 2. 10 matches in a season for a club the standing of PSV is a huge achievement for an Australian footballer, few of which have reached the same level in the last yrs. We all speak about Kruse at leverkusen in 2013 but he only played about the same number of games albeit admittedly leverkusen at that time is slight stepup from PSV of 2018/19 but only slight. PSV is a level or 2 above celtic so on that evidence we can conclude that the backup center back for PSV (he was one of the 2 backups for the CB's) would get plenty of games for the current cletic team. Indeed comparing him to the current squad (oh thats right you don't have a fucking clue who plays in the celtic squad and just pulled that flippant judgment call out of your arse), i think only Starfelt would start ahead of him but He'd be ahead of Murray Welsh and Bitton particularly in the ange ball system (im not counting Jullien as he is on long term injury list). 3. Mooy would be MORE than just accepted at celtic, he'd be considered a major signing and one of the 2-3 stars of the side. You only need to look at the Postecoglue thread in the celtic chat site - the fans were generally hopeful that theyd buy mooy and ryan after the ange announcement. 4. You all seem to be shitting on Rhyan Grant saying he wouldn't be up to standard without actually comparing him to the current Celtic team - he'd start every match over Ralston who is our current starter, and suits ange ball (Fullbacks with huge engine to overlap wingers). Grant is now a 4 time A league TOTS player and won 3 championships. Ralston would be an average Rb in the A league. Admittedly its doubtful Celtic would sign Grant due to age however, but ability wise to say he's not good enough is rubbish. 5. Mckay had a clause in his contract with rangers that said if he played something like 10 or so games the price would jump up substantially, and this came in the season that their financial issues came to light and ultimately collapsed. Mckay has said in an interview that =this is the reason he wasn't played and was told so by Mccoist. In the 3 friendly matches McKay played for them (inc against liverpool) he was MOM in 2 of them, so don't give me this BS that he 'stunk the place up'. You know fuck all about football. Yep, great argument, proved me wrong there.
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Guys, from now on if you're going to making flippant negative judgment calls about any our of socceroos not being good enough for a certain team (eurosnobbery), please qualify it by comparing said player to the actual incumbents in his position in that side. Otherwise your just pulling a judgement out of your arse and i'll render your opinion as unqualified.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthere's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs (both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer (depends on who you ask 😉).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too. So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Ryan had already thumbed his nose a Celtic, so not an option.
The others are all unproven at that level. Rhyann Grant furfuxsake!!!!!!!!
WTF is the hard on for Sainsbury, what has actually done at European level ?
Was a star at his Dutch club. Then was made captain at his Swiss club despite only being on 6 month loan. Over 50 caps for socceroos. Starred at Asian cup, WC and Confeds Cup. Played champions league at psv. Suits Ange ball to a T also!
10 games [2 of which were CL games] in 2 seasons for PSV :laugh: Your standards are either extremely low, or you overrate Australian talent tremendously. You say I was being snobbish in a previous post, but in all honesty, I was just being realistic. It's not Ange's job to take Australian players to any of his clubs abroad, and by doing so, he'd bring even more pressure onto himself in the process. A player like Mooy would be accepted, as he is a proven performer in the EPL, and a good player to boot. But Rhyan Grant: no chance. Remember when Matt McKay went from the Roar to Rangers... and stunk the joint up whilst there? The AL is the ceiling for a lad like Grant, and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
Whilst I do hope that we see more Australian players abroad in the future, there's a serious mentality issue with a lot of them, which more often than not sees them back in the AL within a season of heading overseas. To have a career abroad [in any profession] takes a lot of guts and sacrifices, and a lot of the Australian players seem happy enough to chill in the AL playing 30 or so games [tops] a year on a comfortable enough wage. 1. He played 1 season, left after the first couple of matches in the 2nd. So lets not misconstrue the facts to support your argument. 2. 10 matches in a season for a club the standing of PSV is a huge achievement for an Australian footballer, few of which have reached the same level in the last yrs. We all speak about Kruse at leverkusen in 2013 but he only played about the same number of games albeit admittedly leverkusen at that time is slight stepup from PSV of 2018/19 but only slight. PSV is a level or 2 above celtic so on that evidence we can conclude that the backup center back for PSV (he was one of the 2 backups for the CB's) would get plenty of games for the current cletic team. Indeed comparing him to the current squad (oh thats right you don't have a fucking clue who plays in the celtic squad and just pulled that flippant judgment call out of your arse), i think only Starfelt would start ahead of him but He'd be ahead of Murray Welsh and Bitton particularly in the ange ball system (im not counting Jullien as he is on long term injury list). 3. Mooy would be MORE than just accepted at celtic, he'd be considered a major signing and one of the 2-3 stars of the side. You only need to look at the Postecoglue thread in the celtic chat site - the fans were generally hopeful that theyd buy mooy and ryan after the ange announcement. 4. You all seem to be shitting on Rhyan Grant saying he wouldn't be up to standard without actually comparing him to the current Celtic team - he'd start every match over Ralston who is our current starter, and suits ange ball (Fullbacks with huge engine to overlap wingers). Grant is now a 4 time A league TOTS player and won 3 championships. Ralston would be an average Rb in the A league. Admittedly its doubtful Celtic would sign Grant due to age however, but ability wise to say he's not good enough is rubbish. 5. Mckay had a clause in his contract with rangers that said if he played something like 10 or so games the price would jump up substantially, and this came in the season that their financial issues came to light and ultimately collapsed. Mckay has said in an interview that =this is the reason he wasn't played and was told so by Mccoist. In the 3 friendly matches McKay played for them (inc against liverpool) he was MOM in 2 of them, so don't give me this BS that he 'stunk the place up'. You know fuck all about football.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthere's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs (both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer (depends on who you ask 😉).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too. So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Ryan had already thumbed his nose a Celtic, so not an option.
The others are all unproven at that level. Rhyann Grant furfuxsake!!!!!!!!
WTF is the hard on for Sainsbury, what has actually done at European level ?
Was a star at his Dutch club. Then was made captain at his Swiss club despite only being on 6 month loan. Over 50 caps for socceroos. Starred at Asian cup, WC and Confeds Cup. Played champions league at psv. Suits Ange ball to a T also!
10 games [2 of which were CL games] in 2 seasons for PSV :laugh: Your standards are either extremely low, or you overrate Australian talent tremendously. You say I was being snobbish in a previous post, but in all honesty, I was just being realistic. It's not Ange's job to take Australian players to any of his clubs abroad, and by doing so, he'd bring even more pressure onto himself in the process. A player like Mooy would be accepted, as he is a proven performer in the EPL, and a good player to boot. But Rhyan Grant: no chance. Remember when Matt McKay went from the Roar to Rangers... and stunk the joint up whilst there? The AL is the ceiling for a lad like Grant, and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
Whilst I do hope that we see more Australian players abroad in the future, there's a serious mentality issue with a lot of them, which more often than not sees them back in the AL within a season of heading overseas. To have a career abroad [in any profession] takes a lot of guts and sacrifices, and a lot of the Australian players seem happy enough to chill in the AL playing 30 or so games [tops] a year on a comfortable enough wage. 1. He played 1 season, left after the first couple of matches in the 2nd. So lets not misconstrue the facts to support your argument. 2. 10 matches in a season for a club the standing of PSV is a huge achievement for an Australian footballer, few of which have reached the same level in the last yrs. We all speak about Kruse at leverkusen in 2013 but he only played about the same number of games albeit admittedly leverkusen at that time is slight stepup from PSV of 2018/19 but only slight. PSV is a level or 2 above celtic so on that evidence we can conclude that the backup center back for PSV (he was one of the 2 backups for the CB's) would get plenty of games for the current cletic team. Indeed comparing him to the current squad (oh thats right you don't have a fucking clue who plays in the celtic squad and just pulled that flippant judgment call out of your arse), i think only Starfelt would start ahead of him but He'd be ahead of Murray Welsh and Bitton particularly in the ange ball system (im not counting Jullien as he is on long term injury list). 3. Mooy would be MORE than just accepted at celtic, he'd be considered a major signing and one of the 2-3 stars of the side. You only need to look at the Postecoglue thread in the celtic chat site - the fans were generally hopeful that theyd buy mooy and ryan after the ange announcement. 4. You all seem to be shitting on Rhyan Grant saying he wouldn't be up to standard without actually comparing him to the current Celtic team - he'd start every match over Ralston who is our current starter, and suits ange ball (Fullbacks with huge engine to overlap wingers). Grant is now a 4 time A league TOTS player and won 3 championships. Ralston would be an average Rb in the A league. Admittedly its doubtful Celtic would sign Grant due to age however, but ability wise to say he's not good enough is rubbish. 5. Mckay had a clause in his contract with rangers that said if he played something like 10 or so games the price would jump up substantially, and this came in the season that their financial issues came to light and ultimately collapsed. Mckay has said in an interview that =this is the reason he wasn't played and was told so by Mccoist. In the 3 friendly matches McKay played for them (inc against liverpool) he was MOM in 2 of them, so don't give me this BS that he 'stunk the place up'.
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+x+x+x+x+x50 Aussie players could make the Celtic squad at least. Which 50 players?? I’ll add my two bob’s worth to this conversation although without the emotion or bias either way, neither thinking Scottish football is shit nor over-rating the A-League or Socceroos. Having followed Celtic reasonably closely since the days of Viduka and the Socceroos obsessively since about 1978, I reckon these Aussies would be good additions to the current Celtic squad, most importantly based on what Celtic currently need and the ability/adaptability for the older two and ability/potential for the younger two: Ryan, Souttar, Atkinson and Mooy. No other Aussie would be a good fit right now. That’s a different question to whether they are good enough or better than what’s there. Sottar has already been at Celtic and never made it. Andrew Robertson didn't make it at Celtic, either. Did he now? Robertson is lucky he plays for Liverpool with all the good players around him, because without them he ain’t that great. Watched him for Scotland many a time and he has been shite to say the least.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthere's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs (both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer (depends on who you ask 😉).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too. So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Ryan had already thumbed his nose a Celtic, so not an option.
The others are all unproven at that level. Rhyann Grant furfuxsake!!!!!!!!
WTF is the hard on for Sainsbury, what has actually done at European level ?
Was a star at his Dutch club. Then was made captain at his Swiss club despite only being on 6 month loan. Over 50 caps for socceroos. Starred at Asian cup, WC and Confeds Cup. Played champions league at psv. Suits Ange ball to a T also!
10 games [2 of which were CL games] in 2 seasons for PSV :laugh: Your standards are either extremely low, or you overrate Australian talent tremendously. You say I was being snobbish in a previous post, but in all honesty, I was just being realistic. It's not Ange's job to take Australian players to any of his clubs abroad, and by doing so, he'd bring even more pressure onto himself in the process. A player like Mooy would be accepted, as he is a proven performer in the EPL, and a good player to boot. But Rhyan Grant: no chance. Remember when Matt McKay went from the Roar to Rangers... and stunk the joint up whilst there? The AL is the ceiling for a lad like Grant, and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
Whilst I do hope that we see more Australian players abroad in the future, there's a serious mentality issue with a lot of them, which more often than not sees them back in the AL within a season of heading overseas. To have a career abroad [in any profession] takes a lot of guts and sacrifices, and a lot of the Australian players seem happy enough to chill in the AL playing 30 or so games [tops] a year on a comfortable enough wage.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthere's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs ( both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer ( depends on who you ask 😉 ).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too. So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Let me turn your question around.... Do you honestly believe/think Ryan would start ahead of Barkas or Bain even though he signed/plays for a completely different club??
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Also, I'm starting to generally worry about your mental state with your obsession with Ralston as you continue to ask the same questions over and over, only to receive the same answers over and over is starting to border on some sort of crazed fandom.
EDIT: With regards to Welsh, I rate him very highly, and believe he is going to be a top player.
Because I mentioned him in my initial list thats why.. to which Sutherland said "other than mooy the rest of my players are shite"..completely overlooking Ryan and others.
And yes, Ryan has taken another offer and its a moot point but the inferences being made in this thread were that none of our aussie players are good enough for celtic which is blatantly wrong when we bring out specific examples and compare them to whats there.
50 aussies is ridiculous but I agree with a couple of the posters above that a good 6/7 would start
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+x+x50 Aussie players could make the Celtic squad at least. Which 50 players?? So out of the "50 Aussie players could make the Celtic squad at least", we are currently at approximately 6 or 7 potential Australian players who could make the Celtic squad. So only about 43/44 to go....
Also find it peculiar after being questioned about his statement, 'Nunya' all of a sudden wants to banned/delete his account?? Couldn't answer the question put to his statement??🤔😄
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthere's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs ( both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer ( depends on who you ask 😉 ).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too. So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Let me turn your question around.... Do you honestly believe/think Ryan would start ahead of Barkas or Bain even though he signed/plays for a completely different club??
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Also, I'm starting to generally worry about your mental state with your obsession with Ralston as you continue to ask the same questions over and over, only to receive the same answers over and over is starting to border on some sort of crazed fandom.
EDIT: With regards to Welsh, I rate him very highly, and believe he is going to be a top player.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthere's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs ( both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer ( depends on who you ask 😉 ).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too. So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Ryan had already thumbed his nose a Celtic, so not an option.
The others are all unproven at that level. Rhyann Grant furfuxsake!!!!!!!!
WTF is the hard on for Sainsbury, what has actually done at European level ?
Was a star at his Dutch club. Then was made captain at his Swiss club despite only being on 6 month loan. Over 50 caps for socceroos. Starred at Asian cup, WC and Confeds Cup. Played champions league at psv. Suits Ange ball to a T also!
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+x+x+x+x50 Aussie players could make the Celtic squad at least. Which 50 players?? I’ll add my two bob’s worth to this conversation although without the emotion or bias either way, neither thinking Scottish football is shit nor over-rating the A-League or Socceroos. Having followed Celtic reasonably closely since the days of Viduka and the Socceroos obsessively since about 1978, I reckon these Aussies would be good additions to the current Celtic squad, most importantly based on what Celtic currently need and the ability/adaptability for the older two and ability/potential for the younger two: Ryan, Souttar, Atkinson and Mooy. No other Aussie would be a good fit right now. That’s a different question to whether they are good enough or better than what’s there. Sottar has already been at Celtic and never made it. Andrew Robertson didn't make it at Celtic, either. Did he now?
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+x+x+x+x+x50 Aussie players could make the Celtic squad at least. Which 50 players?? I’ll add my two bob’s worth to this conversation although without the emotion or bias either way, neither thinking Scottish football is shit nor over-rating the A-League or Socceroos. Having followed Celtic reasonably closely since the days of Viduka and the Socceroos obsessively since about 1978, I reckon these Aussies would be good additions to the current Celtic squad, most importantly based on what Celtic currently need and the ability/adaptability for the older two and ability/potential for the younger two: Ryan, Souttar, Atkinson and Mooy. No other Aussie would be a good fit right now. That’s a different question to whether they are good enough or better than what’s there. Sottar has already been at Celtic and never made it. Well that's conclusive then. Obviously players never develop and improve and if they don't perform at 15 or 16 they'll never be able to reach that level. Exactly. It's more than a bit rough to write somebody off on that basis.
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Look I think maybe some of the Australian names being mentioned as good enough for Celtic are pretty optimistic. I for e.g. love Ryan Grant to bits but I think he has technical limitations and would be found out big time. But Souttar is a mid table championship regular, in fact he is excelling in that current tier. No offence Celtic fans but that's kind of where you are at these days. Mentioning sainsbury and Bechich at PSV as some sort of litmus test to gauge who could cut it at Celtic. Are you seriously comparing Celtic or Rangers to PSV/Ajax? There is no comparison.
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+x+x+x+x50 Aussie players could make the Celtic squad at least. Which 50 players?? I’ll add my two bob’s worth to this conversation although without the emotion or bias either way, neither thinking Scottish football is shit nor over-rating the A-League or Socceroos. Having followed Celtic reasonably closely since the days of Viduka and the Socceroos obsessively since about 1978, I reckon these Aussies would be good additions to the current Celtic squad, most importantly based on what Celtic currently need and the ability/adaptability for the older two and ability/potential for the younger two: Ryan, Souttar, Atkinson and Mooy. No other Aussie would be a good fit right now. That’s a different question to whether they are good enough or better than what’s there. Sottar has already been at Celtic and never made it. Well that's conclusive then. Obviously players never develop and improve and if they don't perform at 15 or 16 they'll never be able to reach that level.
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+x+x+x50 Aussie players could make the Celtic squad at least. Which 50 players?? I’ll add my two bob’s worth to this conversation although without the emotion or bias either way, neither thinking Scottish football is shit nor over-rating the A-League or Socceroos. Having followed Celtic reasonably closely since the days of Viduka and the Socceroos obsessively since about 1978, I reckon these Aussies would be good additions to the current Celtic squad, most importantly based on what Celtic currently need and the ability/adaptability for the older two and ability/potential for the younger two: Ryan, Souttar, Atkinson and Mooy. No other Aussie would be a good fit right now. That’s a different question to whether they are good enough or better than what’s there. Sottar has already been at Celtic and never made it.
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+x+x50 Aussie players could make the Celtic squad at least. Which 50 players?? I’ll add my two bob’s worth to this conversation although without the emotion or bias either way, neither thinking Scottish football is shit nor over-rating the A-League or Socceroos. Having followed Celtic reasonably closely since the days of Viduka and the Socceroos obsessively since about 1978, I reckon these Aussies would be good additions to the current Celtic squad, most importantly based on what Celtic currently need and the ability/adaptability for the older two and ability/potential for the younger two: Ryan, Souttar, Atkinson and Mooy. No other Aussie would be a good fit right now. That’s a different question to whether they are good enough or better than what’s there.
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+x50 Aussie players could make the Celtic squad at least. Which 50 players??
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+xYou all realise Scottish football is shit right? The only reason Celtic can compete, sorry I mean get knocked out first round in the Euros is the fact that they have a duopoly on the sport in Scotland with no competition and have the cash to buy international players. 50 Aussie players could make the Celtic squad at least. It's a Mickey Mouse league. You do realise that you are talking utter shite !
Most leagues have only two or three teams who consistently win the title in Europe.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthere's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs ( both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer ( depends on who you ask 😉 ).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too. So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Ryan had already thumbed his nose a Celtic, so not an option.
The others are all unproven at that level. Rhyann Grant furfuxsake!!!!!!!!
WTF is the hard on for Sainsbury, what has actually done at European level ?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthere's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs ( both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer ( depends on who you ask 😉 ).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too. So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
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You all realise Scottish football is shit right? The only reason Celtic can compete, sorry I mean get knocked out first round in the Euros is the fact that they have a duopoly on the sport in Scotland with no competition and have the cash to buy international players. 50 Aussie players could make the Celtic squad at least. It's a Mickey Mouse league.
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+xWhy is everything in Italics in this thread ? It's some weird thing with the current forum code.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthere's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs ( both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer ( depends on who you ask 😉 ).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too. So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
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+x+x+xAnge doesn't owe Australian football anything. He can sign Aussie footballers if he wants. If he doesn't want to sign Aussie footballers, he shouldn't. No one is saying he should.. the question i responded to was from Inala brah which was which Australian players would be decent pickups for celtic, before then being told none of the players I mentioned would be good enough to displace the incumbents (despite the fact one of the socceroos bench players in mabil just knocked celtic out of CL) Ange certainly doesn't have to sign Australian in fact he needs to desperately sign the best players possible within the limited budget he has, and he needs to do it Pronto as our season has already started and our squad is threadbare. Having said that Australia is a market ange knows, he would still follow the a league and the socceroos/Olyroos and finally Australian players are grossly undervalued on world terms, spains market value of 450mil vs our 13mil squad in the Olympics is testament to that . Well, maybe he doesn't rate the Aussie boys you mentioned or else he would have asked the club to make contact. The thing is he has .. mooy and Ryan were both contacted, Ryan turned us down for Sociedad, discussions still going with mooy from reports. This is what got me going as ppl earlier in this post saying the players I mentioned/ aussie players aren't good enough for celtic. Ryan and mooy both been contacted and both would be stars. Soon as we signed ange, many on the celtic chatboards got excited that these 2 would be signed. Also whose to know that ange hasn't contacted other aussies or won't soon?! He's only just started. He doesn't have to sign aussies no one is saying that but certainly if I was in his shoes there are some quality bargains to be had from both Japan and Australia compared to the inflated price tags of what celfic normally buys and who would be better than his current players.. Atkinson being one of them. And as far as Japan goes that league is better than the spl comfortably albeit lacks a celtic and rangers. Only need to look at how many signings from that league end up cracking it in europe and were bought cheaply on world terms, and its a market that ange knows well. From the ceo's pressers it sounds like one of the reasons ange was hired.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthere's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs ( both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer ( depends on who you ask 😉 ).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too. So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthere's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs ( both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer ( depends on who you ask 😉 ).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too. So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Love your work Bunch Of Hacks!!! 😂😂😂 But how dare you be pro Aussie players on an Australian Football forum 😂
There is nothing wrong with "being pro Aussie players", but when it comes to clubs signing players it doesn't matter what nationality it says on their passports. The better of the players should always be signed if/when the circumstances allowed, otherwise the club's board are not doing their their jobs right, and should be fired - It's as simple as that. I honestly don't understand why you fail to grasp that concept.
Did you even watch the Olyroos games?? Atkinson for example is becoming a great player and could be a real asset for your club - just happens to be Aussie - but given limited budget for top players as u say - can’t afford Mooy- Ryan gone to Spain- someone like Atkinson or even Deng would be WAY cheaper for celtic board and could do really well there
Atkinson is not even a full international yet, so far from becoming great. 71 games for MC in your career and no one lining up to buy him. Hmmm.
Some smart overseas club will want/buy him soon enough- probably quite cheaply too
I hope for the boys sake that someone does.
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+x+xAnge doesn't owe Australian football anything. He can sign Aussie footballers if he wants. If he doesn't want to sign Aussie footballers, he shouldn't. No one is saying he should.. the question i responded to was from Inala brah which was which Australian players would be decent pickups for celtic, before then being told none of the players I mentioned would be good enough to displace the incumbents (despite the fact one of the socceroos bench players in mabil just knocked celtic out of CL) Ange certainly doesn't have to sign Australian in fact he needs to desperately sign the best players possible within the limited budget he has, and he needs to do it Pronto as our season has already started and our squad is threadbare. Having said that Australia is a market ange knows, he would still follow the a league and the socceroos/Olyroos and finally Australian players are grossly undervalued on world terms, spains market value of 450mil vs our 13mil squad in the Olympics is testament to that . Well, maybe he doesn't rate the Aussie boys you mentioned or else he would have asked the club to make contact.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthere's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs ( both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer ( depends on who you ask 😉 ).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too. So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Love your work Bunch Of Hacks!!! 😂😂😂 But how dare you be pro Aussie players on an Australian Football forum 😂
There is nothing wrong with "being pro Aussie players", but when it comes to clubs signing players it doesn't matter what nationality it says on their passports. The better of the players should always be signed if/when the circumstances allowed, otherwise the club's board are not doing their their jobs right, and should be fired - It's as simple as that. I honestly don't understand why you fail to grasp that concept.
Did you even watch the Olyroos games?? Atkinson for example is becoming a great player and could be a real asset for your club - just happens to be Aussie - but given limited budget for top players as u say - can’t afford Mooy- Ryan gone to Spain- someone like Atkinson or even Deng would be WAY cheaper for celtic board and could do really well there
Atkinson is not even a full international yet, so far from becoming great. 71 games for MC in your career and no one lining up to buy him. Hmmm.
Some smart overseas club will want/buy him soon enough- probably quite cheaply too
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthere's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs ( both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer ( depends on who you ask 😉 ).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too. So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Love your work Bunch Of Hacks!!! 😂😂😂 But how dare you be pro Aussie players on an Australian Football forum 😂
There is nothing wrong with "being pro Aussie players", but when it comes to clubs signing players it doesn't matter what nationality it says on their passports. The better of the players should always be signed if/when the circumstances allowed, otherwise the club's board are not doing their their jobs right, and should be fired - It's as simple as that. I honestly don't understand why you fail to grasp that concept.
Did you even watch the Olyroos games?? Atkinson for example is becoming a great player and could be a real asset for your club - just happens to be Aussie - but given limited budget for top players as u say - can’t afford Mooy- Ryan gone to Spain- someone like Atkinson or even Deng would be WAY cheaper for celtic board and could do really well there
Atkinson is not even a full international yet, so far from becoming great. 71 games for MC in your career and no one lining up to buy him. Hmmm.
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