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+xDid anyone actually watch the game this morning? - Rest defence - making sure they don't get caught on the break. I felt they did this pretty well apart from when they conceded the first goal which unfortunately made the game a lot more difficult.
- Give the ball away during the build up - there were a few occasions, more often in the first half, where they gave the ball away despite no pressure when building up. Because they were playing quickly with a lot of one touch football, they missed a few passes which allowed Hearts to hit them on the counter. Just need to balance the speed out with 1 touch and 2 touches.
- Final third - I think this will be the hardest part to fix. Trying to break down a whole team takes skill and going down 1-nil early on doesn't help. The final delivery into the box was poor for most of the game. That comes down to individual quality but it doesn't mean players won't improve over the course of the season.
- Set pieces - Obviously can't leave people unmarked in these as seen in the second goal they conceded.
I was super impressed with what Ange has done so far in regards to the style of football. However, at the end of the day football is about results and I hope for Australia's sake, he gets them because this would open the door for a lot of Australian coaches who want to coach in Europe. Good analysis. Pretty much confirms what we already know: If given the time and patience Ange will be able to get Celtic playing some great football, but given the online reaction it sounds like a few more losses and he'll be on thin ice.
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tough debut for Starfelt in an average backline.. only saw highlights.. seems like the pressing is average. Souttars brother scores winner haha what a week
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+xDid anyone actually watch the game this morning? - Rest defence - making sure they don't get caught on the break. I felt they did this pretty well apart from when they conceded the first goal which unfortunately made the game a lot more difficult.
- Give the ball away during the build up - there were a few occasions, more often in the first half, where they gave the ball away despite no pressure when building up. Because they were playing quickly with a lot of one touch football, they missed a few passes which allowed Hearts to hit them on the counter. Just need to balance the speed out with 1 touch and 2 touches.
- Final third - I think this will be the hardest part to fix. Trying to break down a whole team takes skill and going down 1-nil early on doesn't help. The final delivery into the box was poor for most of the game. That comes down to individual quality but it doesn't mean players won't improve over the course of the season.
- Set pieces - Obviously can't leave people unmarked in these as seen in the second goal they conceded.
I was super impressed with what Ange has done so far in regards to the style of football. However, at the end of the day football is about results and I hope for Australia's sake, he gets them because this would open the door for a lot of Australian coaches who want to coach in Europe. Not sure what's impressive about getting beat by a side made up of free transfers, we had a bench worth over 10m sitting there and over 20m in the starting xi. I can accept he needs better quality players in, especially for European competetion but the side he currently has should be beating Hearts 9 times out of 10. Waited 79 minutes to make a sub and his persistence to keep picking Bitton cost us. In saying that the score should've been 2-2 but with huns as officials it was always on the cards. First time in 24 years we've been beaten on the open day of the season, I think what's even more concerning is the players we've signed under him didn't look comfortable out there, Starfelt was 3-4m and looked like Shane Duffy, Abada can't cross a ball yet and I kept hearing on here about how the J-League is so much better technically yet Kyogo struggled to control the ball at times when he came on.
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+x+xOne game into the season and the TalkCeltic board wants him gone 😂 They are very sensitive bunch aren't they? A large number of them are delusional.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]there's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs (both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer (depends on who you ask 😉).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too.
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Ryan had already thumbed his nose a Celtic, so not an option.
The others are all unproven at that level. Rhyann Grant furfuxsake!!!!!!!!
WTF is the hard on for Sainsbury, what has actually done at European level ?
Was a star at his Dutch club. Then was made captain at his Swiss club despite only being on 6 month loan. Over 50 caps for socceroos. Starred at Asian cup, WC and Confeds Cup. Played champions league at psv. Suits Ange ball to a T also!
10 games [2 of which were CL games] in 2 seasons for PSV :laugh: Your standards are either extremely low, or you overrate Australian talent tremendously. You say I was being snobbish in a previous post, but in all honesty, I was just being realistic. It's not Ange's job to take Australian players to any of his clubs abroad, and by doing so, he'd bring even more pressure onto himself in the process. A player like Mooy would be accepted, as he is a proven performer in the EPL, and a good player to boot. But Rhyan Grant: no chance. Remember when Matt McKay went from the Roar to Rangers... and stunk the joint up whilst there? The AL is the ceiling for a lad like Grant, and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
Whilst I do hope that we see more Australian players abroad in the future, there's a serious mentality issue with a lot of them, which more often than not sees them back in the AL within a season of heading overseas. To have a career abroad [in any profession] takes a lot of guts and sacrifices, and a lot of the Australian players seem happy enough to chill in the AL playing 30 or so games [tops] a year on a comfortable enough wage. 1. He played 1 season, left after the first couple of matches in the 2nd. So lets not misconstrue the facts to support your argument. 2. 10 matches in a season for a club the standing of PSV is a huge achievement for an Australian footballer, few of which have reached the same level in the last yrs. We all speak about Kruse at leverkusen in 2013 but he only played about the same number of games albeit admittedly leverkusen at that time is slight stepup from PSV of 2018/19 but only slight. PSV is a level or 2 above celtic so on that evidence we can conclude that the backup center back for PSV (he was one of the 2 backups for the CB's) would get plenty of games for the current cletic team. Indeed comparing him to the current squad (oh thats right you don't have a fucking clue who plays in the celtic squad and just pulled that flippant judgment call out of your arse), i think only Starfelt would start ahead of him but He'd be ahead of Murray Welsh and Bitton particularly in the ange ball system (im not counting Jullien as he is on long term injury list). 3. Mooy would be MORE than just accepted at celtic, he'd be considered a major signing and one of the 2-3 stars of the side. You only need to look at the Postecoglue thread in the celtic chat site - the fans were generally hopeful that theyd buy mooy and ryan after the ange announcement. 4. You all seem to be shitting on Rhyan Grant saying he wouldn't be up to standard without actually comparing him to the current Celtic team - he'd start every match over Ralston who is our current starter, and suits ange ball (Fullbacks with huge engine to overlap wingers). Grant is now a 4 time A league TOTS player and won 3 championships. Ralston would be an average Rb in the A league. Admittedly its doubtful Celtic would sign Grant due to age however, but ability wise to say he's not good enough is rubbish. 5. Mckay had a clause in his contract with rangers that said if he played something like 10 or so games the price would jump up substantially, and this came in the season that their financial issues came to light and ultimately collapsed. Mckay has said in an interview that =this is the reason he wasn't played and was told so by Mccoist. In the 3 friendly matches McKay played for them (inc against liverpool) he was MOM in 2 of them, so don't give me this BS that he 'stunk the place up'. You know fuck all about football. Yep, great argument, proved me wrong there. How many actually back YOU up ? [/quote]I am intrigued as to why a Sevconian would participate in Celtic threads. It's bizarre right?
It’s a thread on Australian football the last I looked, or has the forum changed ? @ lurker, pish patter fanny. The like of you is why the shopkeepers used to board up their windows when Rangers came to town. [/quote]I take it you never seen the trouble on the streets of Gorgie this morning. In case you missed it the groin brigade got battered again ? There are idiots in both camps.
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+xOne game into the season and the TalkCeltic board wants him gone 😂 They are very sensitive bunch aren't they?
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It looked like Hearts were up for it, but clearly the style Ange is implementing at Celtic needs a few pieces in.
They need another CB and probably another winger as well from what ive seen.
Hearts did their homework on Celtic though so credit to them but now Ange needs to get this team back on track because a few more results like this and he won't last that long.
He also needs to fix the flaws on the system quickly, agree on the lack of rest defence but Ange teams have never been known for this but at times they made some nice moves in the final third especially the last one when the keeper made a fantastic save so they need to build on this fast.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]there's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs (both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer (depends on who you ask 😉).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too.
So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Ryan had already thumbed his nose a Celtic, so not an option.
The others are all unproven at that level. Rhyann Grant furfuxsake!!!!!!!!
WTF is the hard on for Sainsbury, what has actually done at European level ?
Was a star at his Dutch club. Then was made captain at his Swiss club despite only being on 6 month loan. Over 50 caps for socceroos. Starred at Asian cup, WC and Confeds Cup. Played champions league at psv. Suits Ange ball to a T also!
10 games [2 of which were CL games] in 2 seasons for PSV :laugh: Your standards are either extremely low, or you overrate Australian talent tremendously. You say I was being snobbish in a previous post, but in all honesty, I was just being realistic. It's not Ange's job to take Australian players to any of his clubs abroad, and by doing so, he'd bring even more pressure onto himself in the process. A player like Mooy would be accepted, as he is a proven performer in the EPL, and a good player to boot. But Rhyan Grant: no chance. Remember when Matt McKay went from the Roar to Rangers... and stunk the joint up whilst there? The AL is the ceiling for a lad like Grant, and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
Whilst I do hope that we see more Australian players abroad in the future, there's a serious mentality issue with a lot of them, which more often than not sees them back in the AL within a season of heading overseas. To have a career abroad [in any profession] takes a lot of guts and sacrifices, and a lot of the Australian players seem happy enough to chill in the AL playing 30 or so games [tops] a year on a comfortable enough wage.
1. He played 1 season, left after the first couple of matches in the 2nd. So lets not misconstrue the facts to support your argument.
2. 10 matches in a season for a club the standing of PSV is a huge achievement for an Australian footballer, few of which have reached the same level in the last yrs. We all speak about Kruse at leverkusen in 2013 but he only played about the same number of games albeit admittedly leverkusen at that time is slight stepup from PSV of 2018/19 but only slight. PSV is a level or 2 above celtic so on that evidence we can conclude that the backup center back for PSV (he was one of the 2 backups for the CB's) would get plenty of games for the current cletic team. Indeed comparing him to the current squad (oh thats right you don't have a fucking clue who plays in the celtic squad and just pulled that flippant judgment call out of your arse), i think only Starfelt would start ahead of him but He'd be ahead of Murray Welsh and Bitton particularly in the ange ball system (im not counting Jullien as he is on long term injury list).
3. Mooy would be MORE than just accepted at celtic, he'd be considered a major signing and one of the 2-3 stars of the side. You only need to look at the Postecoglue thread in the celtic chat site - the fans were generally hopeful that theyd buy mooy and ryan after the ange announcement.
4. You all seem to be shitting on Rhyan Grant saying he wouldn't be up to standard without actually comparing him to the current Celtic team - he'd start every match over Ralston who is our current starter, and suits ange ball (Fullbacks with huge engine to overlap wingers). Grant is now a 4 time A league TOTS player and won 3 championships. Ralston would be an average Rb in the A league. Admittedly its doubtful Celtic would sign Grant due to age however, but ability wise to say he's not good enough is rubbish.
5. Mckay had a clause in his contract with rangers that said if he played something like 10 or so games the price would jump up substantially, and this came in the season that their financial issues came to light and ultimately collapsed. Mckay has said in an interview that =this is the reason he wasn't played and was told so by Mccoist. In the 3 friendly matches McKay played for them (inc against liverpool) he was MOM in 2 of them, so don't give me this BS that he 'stunk the place up'.
You know fuck all about football.
Yep, great argument, proved me wrong there.
How many actually back YOU up ? I am intrigued as to why a Sevconian would participate in Celtic threads. [/quote]It's bizarre right? It’s a thread on Australian football the last I looked, or has the forum changed ? @ lurker, pish patter fanny.
Yeah I know and you are entitled to your opinion on here. It's just kind of funny how defensive you are getting over criticism of Celtic. Not defensive over Celtic, just halfwits like the Bunch of shite guy who know nothing about football. You can add Balin Trev to that list as well. [/quote]Haha 😂 YOU write a reply - in response to a comprehensive one from Bunch of Hacks - like ‘you know fuck all about football’ & YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE YOUR OWN BASELESS STATEMENT MUST BE TRUE!!!! You are pathetic and bitter as fuck. You’re just like Lenny in the twisted film Memento - LIES AND BULLSHITS TO HIMSELF TO JUSTIFY HIS OWN ACTIONS. I’d MUCH rather be labeled the same as a sensible/logical forum member like Bunch Of Hacks than a total lunatic like yourself... In fact, thanks for the compliment ShittylandBear 👍 Just keep being a miserable celtic/rangers follower- seems to suit you perfectly... And the fishing continues ! You really are amusing.
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Board not getting players in, not outlaying, his defensive philosophy is a grey area as well so he is not going to last the season. Mark my words.
Love the Ange song though on youtube.
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Did anyone actually watch the game this morning? Celtic played some great football at a good pace. There are a few things to work on but we've seen the growth of Ange's teams before. - Rest defence - making sure they don't get caught on the break. I felt they did this pretty well apart from when they conceded the first goal which unfortunately made the game a lot more difficult.
- Give the ball away during the build up - there were a few occasions, more often in the first half, where they gave the ball away despite no pressure when building up. Because they were playing quickly with a lot of one touch football, they missed a few passes which allowed Hearts to hit them on the counter. Just need to balance the speed out with 1 touch and 2 touches.
- Final third - I think this will be the hardest part to fix. Trying to break down a whole team takes skill and going down 1-nil early on doesn't help. The final delivery into the box was poor for most of the game. That comes down to individual quality but it doesn't mean players won't improve over the course of the season.
- Set pieces - Obviously can't leave people unmarked in these as seen in the second goal they conceded.
I was super impressed with what Ange has done so far in regards to the style of football. However, at the end of the day football is about results and I hope for Australia's sake, he gets them because this would open the door for a lot of Australian coaches who want to coach in Europe.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]there's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs (both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer (depends on who you ask 😉).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too.
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Ryan had already thumbed his nose a Celtic, so not an option.
The others are all unproven at that level. Rhyann Grant furfuxsake!!!!!!!!
WTF is the hard on for Sainsbury, what has actually done at European level ?
Was a star at his Dutch club. Then was made captain at his Swiss club despite only being on 6 month loan. Over 50 caps for socceroos. Starred at Asian cup, WC and Confeds Cup. Played champions league at psv. Suits Ange ball to a T also!
10 games [2 of which were CL games] in 2 seasons for PSV :laugh: Your standards are either extremely low, or you overrate Australian talent tremendously. You say I was being snobbish in a previous post, but in all honesty, I was just being realistic. It's not Ange's job to take Australian players to any of his clubs abroad, and by doing so, he'd bring even more pressure onto himself in the process. A player like Mooy would be accepted, as he is a proven performer in the EPL, and a good player to boot. But Rhyan Grant: no chance. Remember when Matt McKay went from the Roar to Rangers... and stunk the joint up whilst there? The AL is the ceiling for a lad like Grant, and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
Whilst I do hope that we see more Australian players abroad in the future, there's a serious mentality issue with a lot of them, which more often than not sees them back in the AL within a season of heading overseas. To have a career abroad [in any profession] takes a lot of guts and sacrifices, and a lot of the Australian players seem happy enough to chill in the AL playing 30 or so games [tops] a year on a comfortable enough wage. 1. He played 1 season, left after the first couple of matches in the 2nd. So lets not misconstrue the facts to support your argument. 2. 10 matches in a season for a club the standing of PSV is a huge achievement for an Australian footballer, few of which have reached the same level in the last yrs. We all speak about Kruse at leverkusen in 2013 but he only played about the same number of games albeit admittedly leverkusen at that time is slight stepup from PSV of 2018/19 but only slight. PSV is a level or 2 above celtic so on that evidence we can conclude that the backup center back for PSV (he was one of the 2 backups for the CB's) would get plenty of games for the current cletic team. Indeed comparing him to the current squad (oh thats right you don't have a fucking clue who plays in the celtic squad and just pulled that flippant judgment call out of your arse), i think only Starfelt would start ahead of him but He'd be ahead of Murray Welsh and Bitton particularly in the ange ball system (im not counting Jullien as he is on long term injury list). 3. Mooy would be MORE than just accepted at celtic, he'd be considered a major signing and one of the 2-3 stars of the side. You only need to look at the Postecoglue thread in the celtic chat site - the fans were generally hopeful that theyd buy mooy and ryan after the ange announcement. 4. You all seem to be shitting on Rhyan Grant saying he wouldn't be up to standard without actually comparing him to the current Celtic team - he'd start every match over Ralston who is our current starter, and suits ange ball (Fullbacks with huge engine to overlap wingers). Grant is now a 4 time A league TOTS player and won 3 championships. Ralston would be an average Rb in the A league. Admittedly its doubtful Celtic would sign Grant due to age however, but ability wise to say he's not good enough is rubbish. 5. Mckay had a clause in his contract with rangers that said if he played something like 10 or so games the price would jump up substantially, and this came in the season that their financial issues came to light and ultimately collapsed. Mckay has said in an interview that =this is the reason he wasn't played and was told so by Mccoist. In the 3 friendly matches McKay played for them (inc against liverpool) he was MOM in 2 of them, so don't give me this BS that he 'stunk the place up'. You know fuck all about football. Yep, great argument, proved me wrong there. How many actually back YOU up ? [/quote]I am intrigued as to why a Sevconian would participate in Celtic threads. It's bizarre right?
It’s a thread on Australian football the last I looked, or has the forum changed ? @ lurker, pish patter fanny. Yeah I know and you are entitled to your opinion on here. It's just kind of funny how defensive you are getting over criticism of Celtic. [/quote]Not defensive over Celtic, just halfwits like the Bunch of shite guy who know nothing about football. You can add Balin Trev to that list as well. Haha 😂 YOU write a reply - in response to a comprehensive one from Bunch of Hacks - like ‘you know fuck all about football’ & YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE YOUR OWN BASELESS STATEMENT MUST BE TRUE!!!! You are pathetic and bitter as fuck. You’re just like Lenny in the twisted film Memento - LIES AND BULLSHITS TO HIMSELF TO JUSTIFY HIS OWN ACTIONS. I’d MUCH rather be labeled the same as a sensible/logical forum member like Bunch Of Hacks than a total lunatic like yourself... In fact, thanks for the compliment ShittylandBear 👍 Just keep being a miserable celtic/rangers follower- seems to suit you perfectly...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]there's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs (both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer (depends on who you ask 😉).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too.
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Ryan had already thumbed his nose a Celtic, so not an option.
The others are all unproven at that level. Rhyann Grant furfuxsake!!!!!!!!
WTF is the hard on for Sainsbury, what has actually done at European level ?
Was a star at his Dutch club. Then was made captain at his Swiss club despite only being on 6 month loan. Over 50 caps for socceroos. Starred at Asian cup, WC and Confeds Cup. Played champions league at psv. Suits Ange ball to a T also!
10 games [2 of which were CL games] in 2 seasons for PSV :laugh: Your standards are either extremely low, or you overrate Australian talent tremendously. You say I was being snobbish in a previous post, but in all honesty, I was just being realistic. It's not Ange's job to take Australian players to any of his clubs abroad, and by doing so, he'd bring even more pressure onto himself in the process. A player like Mooy would be accepted, as he is a proven performer in the EPL, and a good player to boot. But Rhyan Grant: no chance. Remember when Matt McKay went from the Roar to Rangers... and stunk the joint up whilst there? The AL is the ceiling for a lad like Grant, and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
Whilst I do hope that we see more Australian players abroad in the future, there's a serious mentality issue with a lot of them, which more often than not sees them back in the AL within a season of heading overseas. To have a career abroad [in any profession] takes a lot of guts and sacrifices, and a lot of the Australian players seem happy enough to chill in the AL playing 30 or so games [tops] a year on a comfortable enough wage. 1. He played 1 season, left after the first couple of matches in the 2nd. So lets not misconstrue the facts to support your argument. 2. 10 matches in a season for a club the standing of PSV is a huge achievement for an Australian footballer, few of which have reached the same level in the last yrs. We all speak about Kruse at leverkusen in 2013 but he only played about the same number of games albeit admittedly leverkusen at that time is slight stepup from PSV of 2018/19 but only slight. PSV is a level or 2 above celtic so on that evidence we can conclude that the backup center back for PSV (he was one of the 2 backups for the CB's) would get plenty of games for the current cletic team. Indeed comparing him to the current squad (oh thats right you don't have a fucking clue who plays in the celtic squad and just pulled that flippant judgment call out of your arse), i think only Starfelt would start ahead of him but He'd be ahead of Murray Welsh and Bitton particularly in the ange ball system (im not counting Jullien as he is on long term injury list). 3. Mooy would be MORE than just accepted at celtic, he'd be considered a major signing and one of the 2-3 stars of the side. You only need to look at the Postecoglue thread in the celtic chat site - the fans were generally hopeful that theyd buy mooy and ryan after the ange announcement. 4. You all seem to be shitting on Rhyan Grant saying he wouldn't be up to standard without actually comparing him to the current Celtic team - he'd start every match over Ralston who is our current starter, and suits ange ball (Fullbacks with huge engine to overlap wingers). Grant is now a 4 time A league TOTS player and won 3 championships. Ralston would be an average Rb in the A league. Admittedly its doubtful Celtic would sign Grant due to age however, but ability wise to say he's not good enough is rubbish. 5. Mckay had a clause in his contract with rangers that said if he played something like 10 or so games the price would jump up substantially, and this came in the season that their financial issues came to light and ultimately collapsed. Mckay has said in an interview that =this is the reason he wasn't played and was told so by Mccoist. In the 3 friendly matches McKay played for them (inc against liverpool) he was MOM in 2 of them, so don't give me this BS that he 'stunk the place up'. You know fuck all about football. Yep, great argument, proved me wrong there. How many actually back YOU up ? I am intrigued as to why a Sevconian would participate in Celtic threads.
It's bizarre right? It’s a thread on Australian football the last I looked, or has the forum changed ? @ lurker, pish patter fanny. [/quote]Yeah I know and you are entitled to your opinion on here. It's just kind of funny how defensive you are getting over criticism of Celtic. Not defensive over Celtic, just halfwits like the Bunch of shite guy who know nothing about football. You can add Balin Trev to that list as well.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]there's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs (both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer (depends on who you ask 😉).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too.
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Ryan had already thumbed his nose a Celtic, so not an option.
The others are all unproven at that level. Rhyann Grant furfuxsake!!!!!!!!
WTF is the hard on for Sainsbury, what has actually done at European level ?
Was a star at his Dutch club. Then was made captain at his Swiss club despite only being on 6 month loan. Over 50 caps for socceroos. Starred at Asian cup, WC and Confeds Cup. Played champions league at psv. Suits Ange ball to a T also!
10 games [2 of which were CL games] in 2 seasons for PSV :laugh: Your standards are either extremely low, or you overrate Australian talent tremendously. You say I was being snobbish in a previous post, but in all honesty, I was just being realistic. It's not Ange's job to take Australian players to any of his clubs abroad, and by doing so, he'd bring even more pressure onto himself in the process. A player like Mooy would be accepted, as he is a proven performer in the EPL, and a good player to boot. But Rhyan Grant: no chance. Remember when Matt McKay went from the Roar to Rangers... and stunk the joint up whilst there? The AL is the ceiling for a lad like Grant, and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
Whilst I do hope that we see more Australian players abroad in the future, there's a serious mentality issue with a lot of them, which more often than not sees them back in the AL within a season of heading overseas. To have a career abroad [in any profession] takes a lot of guts and sacrifices, and a lot of the Australian players seem happy enough to chill in the AL playing 30 or so games [tops] a year on a comfortable enough wage. 1. He played 1 season, left after the first couple of matches in the 2nd. So lets not misconstrue the facts to support your argument. 2. 10 matches in a season for a club the standing of PSV is a huge achievement for an Australian footballer, few of which have reached the same level in the last yrs. We all speak about Kruse at leverkusen in 2013 but he only played about the same number of games albeit admittedly leverkusen at that time is slight stepup from PSV of 2018/19 but only slight. PSV is a level or 2 above celtic so on that evidence we can conclude that the backup center back for PSV (he was one of the 2 backups for the CB's) would get plenty of games for the current cletic team. Indeed comparing him to the current squad (oh thats right you don't have a fucking clue who plays in the celtic squad and just pulled that flippant judgment call out of your arse), i think only Starfelt would start ahead of him but He'd be ahead of Murray Welsh and Bitton particularly in the ange ball system (im not counting Jullien as he is on long term injury list). 3. Mooy would be MORE than just accepted at celtic, he'd be considered a major signing and one of the 2-3 stars of the side. You only need to look at the Postecoglue thread in the celtic chat site - the fans were generally hopeful that theyd buy mooy and ryan after the ange announcement. 4. You all seem to be shitting on Rhyan Grant saying he wouldn't be up to standard without actually comparing him to the current Celtic team - he'd start every match over Ralston who is our current starter, and suits ange ball (Fullbacks with huge engine to overlap wingers). Grant is now a 4 time A league TOTS player and won 3 championships. Ralston would be an average Rb in the A league. Admittedly its doubtful Celtic would sign Grant due to age however, but ability wise to say he's not good enough is rubbish. 5. Mckay had a clause in his contract with rangers that said if he played something like 10 or so games the price would jump up substantially, and this came in the season that their financial issues came to light and ultimately collapsed. Mckay has said in an interview that =this is the reason he wasn't played and was told so by Mccoist. In the 3 friendly matches McKay played for them (inc against liverpool) he was MOM in 2 of them, so don't give me this BS that he 'stunk the place up'. You know fuck all about football. Yep, great argument, proved me wrong there. How many actually back YOU up ? I am intrigued as to why a Sevconian would participate in Celtic threads.
It's bizarre right? It’s a thread on Australian football the last I looked, or has the forum changed ? @ lurker, pish patter fanny. [/quote]The like of you is why the shopkeepers used to board up their windows when Rangers came to town. I take it you never seen the trouble on the streets of Gorgie this morning. In case you missed it the groin brigade got battered again ?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]there's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs (both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer (depends on who you ask 😉).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too. So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Ryan had already thumbed his nose a Celtic, so not an option.
The others are all unproven at that level. Rhyann Grant furfuxsake!!!!!!!!
WTF is the hard on for Sainsbury, what has actually done at European level ?
Was a star at his Dutch club. Then was made captain at his Swiss club despite only being on 6 month loan. Over 50 caps for socceroos. Starred at Asian cup, WC and Confeds Cup. Played champions league at psv. Suits Ange ball to a T also!
10 games [2 of which were CL games] in 2 seasons for PSV :laugh: Your standards are either extremely low, or you overrate Australian talent tremendously. You say I was being snobbish in a previous post, but in all honesty, I was just being realistic. It's not Ange's job to take Australian players to any of his clubs abroad, and by doing so, he'd bring even more pressure onto himself in the process. A player like Mooy would be accepted, as he is a proven performer in the EPL, and a good player to boot. But Rhyan Grant: no chance. Remember when Matt McKay went from the Roar to Rangers... and stunk the joint up whilst there? The AL is the ceiling for a lad like Grant, and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
Whilst I do hope that we see more Australian players abroad in the future, there's a serious mentality issue with a lot of them, which more often than not sees them back in the AL within a season of heading overseas. To have a career abroad [in any profession] takes a lot of guts and sacrifices, and a lot of the Australian players seem happy enough to chill in the AL playing 30 or so games [tops] a year on a comfortable enough wage. 1. He played 1 season, left after the first couple of matches in the 2nd. So lets not misconstrue the facts to support your argument. 2. 10 matches in a season for a club the standing of PSV is a huge achievement for an Australian footballer, few of which have reached the same level in the last yrs. We all speak about Kruse at leverkusen in 2013 but he only played about the same number of games albeit admittedly leverkusen at that time is slight stepup from PSV of 2018/19 but only slight. PSV is a level or 2 above celtic so on that evidence we can conclude that the backup center back for PSV (he was one of the 2 backups for the CB's) would get plenty of games for the current cletic team. Indeed comparing him to the current squad (oh thats right you don't have a fucking clue who plays in the celtic squad and just pulled that flippant judgment call out of your arse), i think only Starfelt would start ahead of him but He'd be ahead of Murray Welsh and Bitton particularly in the ange ball system (im not counting Jullien as he is on long term injury list). 3. Mooy would be MORE than just accepted at celtic, he'd be considered a major signing and one of the 2-3 stars of the side. You only need to look at the Postecoglue thread in the celtic chat site - the fans were generally hopeful that theyd buy mooy and ryan after the ange announcement. 4. You all seem to be shitting on Rhyan Grant saying he wouldn't be up to standard without actually comparing him to the current Celtic team - he'd start every match over Ralston who is our current starter, and suits ange ball (Fullbacks with huge engine to overlap wingers). Grant is now a 4 time A league TOTS player and won 3 championships. Ralston would be an average Rb in the A league. Admittedly its doubtful Celtic would sign Grant due to age however, but ability wise to say he's not good enough is rubbish. 5. Mckay had a clause in his contract with rangers that said if he played something like 10 or so games the price would jump up substantially, and this came in the season that their financial issues came to light and ultimately collapsed. Mckay has said in an interview that =this is the reason he wasn't played and was told so by Mccoist. In the 3 friendly matches McKay played for them (inc against liverpool) he was MOM in 2 of them, so don't give me this BS that he 'stunk the place up'. You know fuck all about football. Yep, great argument, proved me wrong there. How many actually back YOU up ?
I am intrigued as to why a Sevconian would participate in Celtic threads.
It's bizarre right? [/quote]It’s a thread on Australian football the last I looked, or has the forum changed ? @ lurker, pish patter fanny. Yeah I know and you are entitled to your opinion on here. It's just kind of funny how defensive you are getting over criticism of Celtic.
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+x+x+x+xOne game into the season and the TalkCeltic board wants him gone 😂 We want the board gone. Not Ange...... Yet. Its no going to happen. The board is appointed by the shareholders, not the fans. Yeah, I/we (the supporters) know. That being said, our major shareholder Dermot Desmond has been reported that he will be personally be putting up his own money to bring in a player or two. He has done similar things in the past, whether this rumour this time around turns out to be true is yet to be seen. But I for one hope it's true. Yet some supporters want Dermot out as well.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]there's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs (both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer (depends on who you ask 😉).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too. So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Ryan had already thumbed his nose a Celtic, so not an option.
The others are all unproven at that level. Rhyann Grant furfuxsake!!!!!!!!
WTF is the hard on for Sainsbury, what has actually done at European level ?
Was a star at his Dutch club. Then was made captain at his Swiss club despite only being on 6 month loan. Over 50 caps for socceroos. Starred at Asian cup, WC and Confeds Cup. Played champions league at psv. Suits Ange ball to a T also!
10 games [2 of which were CL games] in 2 seasons for PSV :laugh: Your standards are either extremely low, or you overrate Australian talent tremendously. You say I was being snobbish in a previous post, but in all honesty, I was just being realistic. It's not Ange's job to take Australian players to any of his clubs abroad, and by doing so, he'd bring even more pressure onto himself in the process. A player like Mooy would be accepted, as he is a proven performer in the EPL, and a good player to boot. But Rhyan Grant: no chance. Remember when Matt McKay went from the Roar to Rangers... and stunk the joint up whilst there? The AL is the ceiling for a lad like Grant, and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
Whilst I do hope that we see more Australian players abroad in the future, there's a serious mentality issue with a lot of them, which more often than not sees them back in the AL within a season of heading overseas. To have a career abroad [in any profession] takes a lot of guts and sacrifices, and a lot of the Australian players seem happy enough to chill in the AL playing 30 or so games [tops] a year on a comfortable enough wage. 1. He played 1 season, left after the first couple of matches in the 2nd. So lets not misconstrue the facts to support your argument. 2. 10 matches in a season for a club the standing of PSV is a huge achievement for an Australian footballer, few of which have reached the same level in the last yrs. We all speak about Kruse at leverkusen in 2013 but he only played about the same number of games albeit admittedly leverkusen at that time is slight stepup from PSV of 2018/19 but only slight. PSV is a level or 2 above celtic so on that evidence we can conclude that the backup center back for PSV (he was one of the 2 backups for the CB's) would get plenty of games for the current cletic team. Indeed comparing him to the current squad (oh thats right you don't have a fucking clue who plays in the celtic squad and just pulled that flippant judgment call out of your arse), i think only Starfelt would start ahead of him but He'd be ahead of Murray Welsh and Bitton particularly in the ange ball system (im not counting Jullien as he is on long term injury list). 3. Mooy would be MORE than just accepted at celtic, he'd be considered a major signing and one of the 2-3 stars of the side. You only need to look at the Postecoglue thread in the celtic chat site - the fans were generally hopeful that theyd buy mooy and ryan after the ange announcement. 4. You all seem to be shitting on Rhyan Grant saying he wouldn't be up to standard without actually comparing him to the current Celtic team - he'd start every match over Ralston who is our current starter, and suits ange ball (Fullbacks with huge engine to overlap wingers). Grant is now a 4 time A league TOTS player and won 3 championships. Ralston would be an average Rb in the A league. Admittedly its doubtful Celtic would sign Grant due to age however, but ability wise to say he's not good enough is rubbish. 5. Mckay had a clause in his contract with rangers that said if he played something like 10 or so games the price would jump up substantially, and this came in the season that their financial issues came to light and ultimately collapsed. Mckay has said in an interview that =this is the reason he wasn't played and was told so by Mccoist. In the 3 friendly matches McKay played for them (inc against liverpool) he was MOM in 2 of them, so don't give me this BS that he 'stunk the place up'. You know fuck all about football. Yep, great argument, proved me wrong there. How many actually back YOU up ?
I am intrigued as to why a Sevconian would participate in Celtic threads.
It's bizarre right? [/quote]It’s a thread on Australian football the last I looked, or has the forum changed ? @ lurker, pish patter fanny. The like of you is why the shopkeepers used to board up their windows when Rangers came to town.
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+x+x+xOne game into the season and the TalkCeltic board wants him gone 😂 We want the board gone. Not Ange...... Yet. Its no going to happen. The board is appointed by the shareholders, not the fans. Yeah, I/we (the supporters) know. That being said, our major shareholder Dermot Desmond has been reported that he will be personally be putting up his own money to bring in a player or two. He has done similar things in the past, whether this rumour this time around turns out to be true is yet to be seen. But I for one hope it's true.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]there's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again.
Are you actually familiar with Celtics players?
Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that
None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs (both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return).
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I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer (depends on who you ask 😉).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players.
There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :)
Starting team for Celtic last night...
Bain
Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor
Soro
Turnbull McGregor
Abada Edouard Christie
Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight.
Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too.
So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Ryan had already thumbed his nose a Celtic, so not an option.
The others are all unproven at that level. Rhyann Grant furfuxsake!!!!!!!!
WTF is the hard on for Sainsbury, what has actually done at European level ?
Was a star at his Dutch club. Then was made captain at his Swiss club despite only being on 6 month loan. Over 50 caps for socceroos. Starred at Asian cup, WC and Confeds Cup. Played champions league at psv. Suits Ange ball to a T also!
10 games [2 of which were CL games] in 2 seasons for PSV :laugh: Your standards are either extremely low, or you overrate Australian talent tremendously. You say I was being snobbish in a previous post, but in all honesty, I was just being realistic. It's not Ange's job to take Australian players to any of his clubs abroad, and by doing so, he'd bring even more pressure onto himself in the process. A player like Mooy would be accepted, as he is a proven performer in the EPL, and a good player to boot. But Rhyan Grant: no chance. Remember when Matt McKay went from the Roar to Rangers... and stunk the joint up whilst there? The AL is the ceiling for a lad like Grant, and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
Whilst I do hope that we see more Australian players abroad in the future, there's a serious mentality issue with a lot of them, which more often than not sees them back in the AL within a season of heading overseas. To have a career abroad [in any profession] takes a lot of guts and sacrifices, and a lot of the Australian players seem happy enough to chill in the AL playing 30 or so games [tops] a year on a comfortable enough wage.
1. He played 1 season, left after the first couple of matches in the 2nd. So lets not misconstrue the facts to support your argument.
2. 10 matches in a season for a club the standing of PSV is a huge achievement for an Australian footballer, few of which have reached the same level in the last yrs. We all speak about Kruse at leverkusen in 2013 but he only played about the same number of games albeit admittedly leverkusen at that time is slight stepup from PSV of 2018/19 but only slight. PSV is a level or 2 above celtic so on that evidence we can conclude that the backup center back for PSV (he was one of the 2 backups for the CB's) would get plenty of games for the current cletic team. Indeed comparing him to the current squad (oh thats right you don't have a fucking clue who plays in the celtic squad and just pulled that flippant judgment call out of your arse), i think only Starfelt would start ahead of him but He'd be ahead of Murray Welsh and Bitton particularly in the ange ball system (im not counting Jullien as he is on long term injury list).
3. Mooy would be MORE than just accepted at celtic, he'd be considered a major signing and one of the 2-3 stars of the side. You only need to look at the Postecoglue thread in the celtic chat site - the fans were generally hopeful that theyd buy mooy and ryan after the ange announcement.
4. You all seem to be shitting on Rhyan Grant saying he wouldn't be up to standard without actually comparing him to the current Celtic team - he'd start every match over Ralston who is our current starter, and suits ange ball (Fullbacks with huge engine to overlap wingers). Grant is now a 4 time A league TOTS player and won 3 championships. Ralston would be an average Rb in the A league. Admittedly its doubtful Celtic would sign Grant due to age however, but ability wise to say he's not good enough is rubbish.
5. Mckay had a clause in his contract with rangers that said if he played something like 10 or so games the price would jump up substantially, and this came in the season that their financial issues came to light and ultimately collapsed. Mckay has said in an interview that =this is the reason he wasn't played and was told so by Mccoist. In the 3 friendly matches McKay played for them (inc against liverpool) he was MOM in 2 of them, so don't give me this BS that he 'stunk the place up'.
You know fuck all about football.
Yep, great argument, proved me wrong there.
How many actually back YOU up ? I am intrigued as to why a Sevconian would participate in Celtic threads. [/quote]It's bizarre right? It’s a thread on Australian football the last I looked, or has the forum changed ? @ lurker, pish patter fanny.
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+x+xMy favourite claim thus far is that a guy that has played 130 games for Liverpool isn't good enough for Celtic. Just more proof that celtic/rangers fans are mostly brainwashed, overly-biased, arrogant and delusional 😜 Yep. That horrible, nasty, non rational thing call being "a football supporter" is a terrible disease to possess, and I don’t wish it in anyone.
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+x+xOne game into the season and the TalkCeltic board wants him gone 😂 We want the board gone. Not Ange...... Yet. Its no going to happen. The board is appointed by the shareholders, not the fans.
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+xOne game into the season and the TalkCeltic board wants him gone 😂 We want the board gone. Not Ange...... Yet.
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+xCeltic are a tuna in a very small pond. This has been known for years. Hence why we will never reach our full potential.
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+xMy favourite claim thus far is that a guy that has played 130 games for Liverpool isn't good enough for Celtic. Just more proof that celtic/rangers fans are mostly brainwashed, overly-biased, arrogant and delusional 😜
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In all seriousness though, Celtic fans have to be up there with one of the more insufferable club supporters in Europe. The size of the club gives them a very false sense of reality.
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One game into the season and the TalkCeltic board wants him gone 😂
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Seasons over!! 😡🤬 Fire the board!!🤬😡 Sack Ange!!😡🤬
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My favourite claim thus far is that a guy that has played 130 games for Liverpool isn't good enough for Celtic.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]there's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs (both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer (depends on who you ask 😉).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too.
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Ryan had already thumbed his nose a Celtic, so not an option.
The others are all unproven at that level. Rhyann Grant furfuxsake!!!!!!!!
WTF is the hard on for Sainsbury, what has actually done at European level ?
Was a star at his Dutch club. Then was made captain at his Swiss club despite only being on 6 month loan. Over 50 caps for socceroos. Starred at Asian cup, WC and Confeds Cup. Played champions league at psv. Suits Ange ball to a T also!
10 games [2 of which were CL games] in 2 seasons for PSV :laugh: Your standards are either extremely low, or you overrate Australian talent tremendously. You say I was being snobbish in a previous post, but in all honesty, I was just being realistic. It's not Ange's job to take Australian players to any of his clubs abroad, and by doing so, he'd bring even more pressure onto himself in the process. A player like Mooy would be accepted, as he is a proven performer in the EPL, and a good player to boot. But Rhyan Grant: no chance. Remember when Matt McKay went from the Roar to Rangers... and stunk the joint up whilst there? The AL is the ceiling for a lad like Grant, and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
Whilst I do hope that we see more Australian players abroad in the future, there's a serious mentality issue with a lot of them, which more often than not sees them back in the AL within a season of heading overseas. To have a career abroad [in any profession] takes a lot of guts and sacrifices, and a lot of the Australian players seem happy enough to chill in the AL playing 30 or so games [tops] a year on a comfortable enough wage. 1. He played 1 season, left after the first couple of matches in the 2nd. So lets not misconstrue the facts to support your argument. 2. 10 matches in a season for a club the standing of PSV is a huge achievement for an Australian footballer, few of which have reached the same level in the last yrs. We all speak about Kruse at leverkusen in 2013 but he only played about the same number of games albeit admittedly leverkusen at that time is slight stepup from PSV of 2018/19 but only slight. PSV is a level or 2 above celtic so on that evidence we can conclude that the backup center back for PSV (he was one of the 2 backups for the CB's) would get plenty of games for the current cletic team. Indeed comparing him to the current squad (oh thats right you don't have a fucking clue who plays in the celtic squad and just pulled that flippant judgment call out of your arse), i think only Starfelt would start ahead of him but He'd be ahead of Murray Welsh and Bitton particularly in the ange ball system (im not counting Jullien as he is on long term injury list). 3. Mooy would be MORE than just accepted at celtic, he'd be considered a major signing and one of the 2-3 stars of the side. You only need to look at the Postecoglue thread in the celtic chat site - the fans were generally hopeful that theyd buy mooy and ryan after the ange announcement. 4. You all seem to be shitting on Rhyan Grant saying he wouldn't be up to standard without actually comparing him to the current Celtic team - he'd start every match over Ralston who is our current starter, and suits ange ball (Fullbacks with huge engine to overlap wingers). Grant is now a 4 time A league TOTS player and won 3 championships. Ralston would be an average Rb in the A league. Admittedly its doubtful Celtic would sign Grant due to age however, but ability wise to say he's not good enough is rubbish. 5. Mckay had a clause in his contract with rangers that said if he played something like 10 or so games the price would jump up substantially, and this came in the season that their financial issues came to light and ultimately collapsed. Mckay has said in an interview that =this is the reason he wasn't played and was told so by Mccoist. In the 3 friendly matches McKay played for them (inc against liverpool) he was MOM in 2 of them, so don't give me this BS that he 'stunk the place up'. You know fuck all about football. Yep, great argument, proved me wrong there. How many actually back YOU up ? [/quote]I am intrigued as to why a Sevconian would participate in Celtic threads. It's bizarre right?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]there's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs (both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer (depends on who you ask 😉).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too.
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Ryan had already thumbed his nose a Celtic, so not an option.
The others are all unproven at that level. Rhyann Grant furfuxsake!!!!!!!!
WTF is the hard on for Sainsbury, what has actually done at European level ?
Was a star at his Dutch club. Then was made captain at his Swiss club despite only being on 6 month loan. Over 50 caps for socceroos. Starred at Asian cup, WC and Confeds Cup. Played champions league at psv. Suits Ange ball to a T also!
10 games [2 of which were CL games] in 2 seasons for PSV :laugh: Your standards are either extremely low, or you overrate Australian talent tremendously. You say I was being snobbish in a previous post, but in all honesty, I was just being realistic. It's not Ange's job to take Australian players to any of his clubs abroad, and by doing so, he'd bring even more pressure onto himself in the process. A player like Mooy would be accepted, as he is a proven performer in the EPL, and a good player to boot. But Rhyan Grant: no chance. Remember when Matt McKay went from the Roar to Rangers... and stunk the joint up whilst there? The AL is the ceiling for a lad like Grant, and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
Whilst I do hope that we see more Australian players abroad in the future, there's a serious mentality issue with a lot of them, which more often than not sees them back in the AL within a season of heading overseas. To have a career abroad [in any profession] takes a lot of guts and sacrifices, and a lot of the Australian players seem happy enough to chill in the AL playing 30 or so games [tops] a year on a comfortable enough wage. 1. He played 1 season, left after the first couple of matches in the 2nd. So lets not misconstrue the facts to support your argument. 2. 10 matches in a season for a club the standing of PSV is a huge achievement for an Australian footballer, few of which have reached the same level in the last yrs. We all speak about Kruse at leverkusen in 2013 but he only played about the same number of games albeit admittedly leverkusen at that time is slight stepup from PSV of 2018/19 but only slight. PSV is a level or 2 above celtic so on that evidence we can conclude that the backup center back for PSV (he was one of the 2 backups for the CB's) would get plenty of games for the current cletic team. Indeed comparing him to the current squad (oh thats right you don't have a fucking clue who plays in the celtic squad and just pulled that flippant judgment call out of your arse), i think only Starfelt would start ahead of him but He'd be ahead of Murray Welsh and Bitton particularly in the ange ball system (im not counting Jullien as he is on long term injury list). 3. Mooy would be MORE than just accepted at celtic, he'd be considered a major signing and one of the 2-3 stars of the side. You only need to look at the Postecoglue thread in the celtic chat site - the fans were generally hopeful that theyd buy mooy and ryan after the ange announcement. 4. You all seem to be shitting on Rhyan Grant saying he wouldn't be up to standard without actually comparing him to the current Celtic team - he'd start every match over Ralston who is our current starter, and suits ange ball (Fullbacks with huge engine to overlap wingers). Grant is now a 4 time A league TOTS player and won 3 championships. Ralston would be an average Rb in the A league. Admittedly its doubtful Celtic would sign Grant due to age however, but ability wise to say he's not good enough is rubbish. 5. Mckay had a clause in his contract with rangers that said if he played something like 10 or so games the price would jump up substantially, and this came in the season that their financial issues came to light and ultimately collapsed. Mckay has said in an interview that =this is the reason he wasn't played and was told so by Mccoist. In the 3 friendly matches McKay played for them (inc against liverpool) he was MOM in 2 of them, so don't give me this BS that he 'stunk the place up'. You know fuck all about football. Yep, great argument, proved me wrong there. How many actually back YOU up ? I am intrigued as to why a Sevconian would participate in Celtic threads.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthere's no rumours about any more australian's headed to celtic. but he is still to secure a CB and a RB. He was said in an interview their transfer priorities were a CB, RB, and L/RW. Seems like Brighton will take Edouard once the ben white money is through so Im guessing they will probably look at a striker. On the wings they've picked up Abada - and Furuhashi has landed in london for quarantine but still needs to do a medical In CB and Starfelt has or is coming soon. Also the 2 young guys Shaw(?) as a fullback and Urhoghide in CB. My question - what Australian's do you think they are likely to pick up if any?? I honestly dont think Ange will even be looking our way for the moment. But I can think of a few who who would be decent pick ups. Limitations - they need to be young prospects with onsell worth with NT caps for UK visa rules. Or they need to be well established snr players that can walk into the first 11 - which would be mooy or ryan and so there is no one else really that fits this. 3 signings for celtic that I can see being decent and fitting Ange's style of play. -Atkinson in RB but he will need to get capped for the NT first which is pretty likely. He has decent onsell value. -Sainsbury in CB - I would say Degenek, but his passing is a bit suspect at times and might not fit Ange's style. Also he was dropped from Ange's yokohama. Maybe Curtis Good now he is getting games under his belt without the injuries. -Rukavytsya up front - but in writing this I've just seen he has signed for Perth. Doesn't really fit the limitations, but he would be a decent cheap signing that could have been a solid goal scoring backup striker. Celtic would be well aware of him having shown they scout the Israeli league. There's still talk of mooy going to us. Real real shame Ryan didn't come as he would be certain starter and fit anges system perfectly bringing his best football out. In terms of other players either Atkinson or Grant would both be an upgrade on Ralston. Smith or Behich on the left too would be upgrade on Taylor and suit the style better. Good or Sainsbury as ball playing center backs, mass loungo as a backup number 8. Other than those I cant see too many realistic options. Whilst I'm glad that you rate Australian players, I honestly don't think that any of the highlighted players are good enough to be playing for Celtic. PSV fans I talk to rate Behich and Sainsbury as two of the worst players that they've had in recent years [1 fan went as far to say that Behich is the worst player he's ever seen play for PSV], whilst I don't think that Good's body could handle the type of schedule that Celtic has without the constant breakdowns he had during his time at Newcastle. On the other players mentioned, I think Atkinson needs another year or two of regular football at Melb. City before he's ready to make the jump imo, while I also don't really rate Grant that highly. Admittedly, I don't see as much of him as some of the forum regulars, so maybe I'm missing something. I think he's got a big engine and a good work rate, but I don't think he has the technical skills required to have a successful European career. Smith's in a good spot at Seattle, so it'd be foolish for him to consider leaving, and Luongo has only played 43 games from a possible 103 games since signing for Sheffield Wednesday, which suggests he's either injury prone or out of favour: not good enough to earn a move again. Are you actually familiar with Celtics players? Again, the players i mention are better than the current incumbents. Not saying any of those transfers will ever happen but just saying those players are better than the incumbents. Nothing in above you said disproved that None of the players you mentioned IMHO are anywhere near good enough to be playing for Celtic, and would also have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them.
If when the board finally pulls their finger out of their arses hopefully we will see strength added were needed - ie wing-backs (both sides), an extra CD (we just signed Starfelt, and need probably one more), and a new keeper (fingers crossed I'm hoping for Forster return). ______ I do have a personal question for you. There is no real wrong answer (depends on who you ask 😉).... What comes first for you, Celtic or Australian players?? The reason I ask is, you seem fine settling/suggesting players (Australians) which to be blunt (IMO) are not Celtic calibre players. There it is - Bolded and underlined above. Guilty of first degree Euro Snobbery! PIFA also said the same thing earlier. Thou shalt be punished by watching Central coast mariners only for 2 years :) Starting team for Celtic last night... Bain Ralston Welsh Murray Taylor Soro Turnbull McGregor Abada Edouard Christie Had they been available to ange last night, the socceroos entire back 5 would have started over those above - maybe taylor over behich but its tight. Mooy would start over Soro, Hrustic would get in over Turnbull or Abada, Leckie or Boyle maybe in there too. So the three players you mentioned that I disagreed with you stating that I think we should be going be going for higher class players means that I said "no Australian players is Celtic quality"?? Again, please show me where Ibhave ever said such a thing??
Also that I said I rate Mooy and think he would do fine at Celtic, although he will need to a HUGE pay cut to be able to sign for Celtic somehow means that I believe "no Australian player is Celtic quality", and that I am a "Euro Snob"?? Not once have I said anything of the sort that you are accusing me of. I guess making shit up is better than dealing in truths.
Finally, the squad that played last night will not be the final squad come the closing of the transfer window. Yet again it is the board wasting time trying to do things on the cheap that hurts us.
The specific players I mentioned were in my post were..
Mooy
Ryan
Atkinson
Grant
Sainsbury
Good
Smith
Behich
Nearly all of them would have started for celtic last night. I'll concede possibly Taylor over smith/behich but its tight. And maybe not Good over Welsh but certainly over Murray.
In regards to your comment about it 'not bring being the final squad' ... you are now shifting your argument - if you read what you originally said, you stated the players i mentioned would 'have a challenge displacing those already there and ahead of them. '
Just admit it was a shortsighted comment and you had a momentary lapse of eurosnobbery and i'll stop with this :p
Don’t talk fuckin shite man. Apart from Mooy the rest are either rubbish or unproven. Argument done, back tae yer camels.
Also in case you missed it, one of those shite players we have that starts from the socceroos bench just knocked celtic out of the champions league
Nowhere in your post did you mention Mabil ! Try and stay within your range.
BTW well done Mabil.
No shit.. but in your post you blanketly say "other than Mooy the rest are shite" ... those "rest" happen to start over mabil. And don't pretend for one second that if I had of included mabil in there you wouldn't still have made that comment.
FWIW I don't think mabil would be good enough to start for celtic over whats already there hence why I didn't name him. He'd get minutes from the bench or rotation defo but don't think he'd start over alada, furuhashi or Christie. Hrustic on the other hand would start.
Yes , the rest of your shitey wee list you named.
FWIW Mabil is a decent player, whether he would get a game before Christie or Forrest is another matter.
So from my 'shitty list' you honestly think barkas or bain would start over Ryan?
And Murray or Welsh would start over Sainsbury?
Or Ralston would start over Atkinson or grant?
Ryan had already thumbed his nose a Celtic, so not an option.
The others are all unproven at that level. Rhyann Grant furfuxsake!!!!!!!!
WTF is the hard on for Sainsbury, what has actually done at European level ?
Was a star at his Dutch club. Then was made captain at his Swiss club despite only being on 6 month loan. Over 50 caps for socceroos. Starred at Asian cup, WC and Confeds Cup. Played champions league at psv. Suits Ange ball to a T also!
10 games [2 of which were CL games] in 2 seasons for PSV :laugh: Your standards are either extremely low, or you overrate Australian talent tremendously. You say I was being snobbish in a previous post, but in all honesty, I was just being realistic. It's not Ange's job to take Australian players to any of his clubs abroad, and by doing so, he'd bring even more pressure onto himself in the process. A player like Mooy would be accepted, as he is a proven performer in the EPL, and a good player to boot. But Rhyan Grant: no chance. Remember when Matt McKay went from the Roar to Rangers... and stunk the joint up whilst there? The AL is the ceiling for a lad like Grant, and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
Whilst I do hope that we see more Australian players abroad in the future, there's a serious mentality issue with a lot of them, which more often than not sees them back in the AL within a season of heading overseas. To have a career abroad [in any profession] takes a lot of guts and sacrifices, and a lot of the Australian players seem happy enough to chill in the AL playing 30 or so games [tops] a year on a comfortable enough wage. 1. He played 1 season, left after the first couple of matches in the 2nd. So lets not misconstrue the facts to support your argument. 2. 10 matches in a season for a club the standing of PSV is a huge achievement for an Australian footballer, few of which have reached the same level in the last yrs. We all speak about Kruse at leverkusen in 2013 but he only played about the same number of games albeit admittedly leverkusen at that time is slight stepup from PSV of 2018/19 but only slight. PSV is a level or 2 above celtic so on that evidence we can conclude that the backup center back for PSV (he was one of the 2 backups for the CB's) would get plenty of games for the current cletic team. Indeed comparing him to the current squad (oh thats right you don't have a fucking clue who plays in the celtic squad and just pulled that flippant judgment call out of your arse), i think only Starfelt would start ahead of him but He'd be ahead of Murray Welsh and Bitton particularly in the ange ball system (im not counting Jullien as he is on long term injury list). 3. Mooy would be MORE than just accepted at celtic, he'd be considered a major signing and one of the 2-3 stars of the side. You only need to look at the Postecoglue thread in the celtic chat site - the fans were generally hopeful that theyd buy mooy and ryan after the ange announcement. 4. You all seem to be shitting on Rhyan Grant saying he wouldn't be up to standard without actually comparing him to the current Celtic team - he'd start every match over Ralston who is our current starter, and suits ange ball (Fullbacks with huge engine to overlap wingers). Grant is now a 4 time A league TOTS player and won 3 championships. Ralston would be an average Rb in the A league. Admittedly its doubtful Celtic would sign Grant due to age however, but ability wise to say he's not good enough is rubbish. 5. Mckay had a clause in his contract with rangers that said if he played something like 10 or so games the price would jump up substantially, and this came in the season that their financial issues came to light and ultimately collapsed. Mckay has said in an interview that =this is the reason he wasn't played and was told so by Mccoist. In the 3 friendly matches McKay played for them (inc against liverpool) he was MOM in 2 of them, so don't give me this BS that he 'stunk the place up'. You know fuck all about football. Yep, great argument, proved me wrong there. How many actually back YOU up ?
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