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mark_000au - 22 Apr 2024 2:35 AM
To be honest  this is probably the worse Olymroos I have seen. The finishing are just unacceptable for U23.  

Check out the 2016 qualification shite. I've just looked at the squad. It was dismal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_AFC_U-23_Championship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_AFC_U-23_Championship_squads

2012 we didn't score in 6 games. No squad info. WTF even was that? I vaguely remember 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_at_the_2012_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_Asian_qualifiers_preliminary_round_3
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grazorblade - 22 Apr 2024 2:41 AM
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Which u23 afc cups have u seen

Historically we have found the tournament tough with 2 group stage exits, a quarters exit, a 3rd only when we had arnie, a net negative for and against and less than 1 goal per game in our tournament history

We have been flogged by japan and sk every time we have faved him. Even this 2nd string squad is the best we have ever had

How they can  be worse when this team couldnt score a single goal against anyone and even lost to Indonesia? 
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johnszasz - 22 Apr 2024 2:42 AM
mark_000au - 22 Apr 2024 2:35 AM

Check out the 2016 qualification shite. I've just looked at the squad. It was dismal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_AFC_U-23_Championship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_AFC_U-23_Championship_squads

2012 we didn't score in 6 games. No squad info. WTF even was that? I vaguely remember 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_at_the_2012_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_Asian_qualifiers_preliminary_round_3

Yeah typically the u17s has been easier than the u20s which is easier than the u23. We just really struggle when we have to rely only on a league players. Hoping an 3xperienced coach can make a difference
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mark_000au - 22 Apr 2024 2:47 AM
grazorblade - 22 Apr 2024 2:41 AM

How they can  be worse when this team couldnt score a single goal against anyone and even lost to Indonesia? 

Did u watch them? At least we are frequently creating chances and controlling the game. Previous iterations were tough (tho i missed arnies year. Typical the one time we qualify)

Also indonesia are probably the best in this group. Our seniors looked ugly against them and the u23 side has 10 players in the senior squad
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Why sub on a cb when we need goals?
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grazorblade - 22 Apr 2024 2:50 AM
Why sub on a cb when we need goals?

2 cbs replaced! Weird. Must have given up and just want to give experience to players
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Brook will never make the seniors. Dude is hopeless
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Anyone hearing this commentator? They have no idea that Australia only been in Asia since 2006 but they were complimenting our past qualification efforts decades ago haha
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So serious question: how do we qualify for the olympics gking forward?

Can we make the national coach in charge of the olyroos during qualification like indonesia do? Is there any hope we can get euro players

A league expansion and an nst will increase our depth spmewhat
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Pasquali - 22 Apr 2024 2:55 AM
Brook will never make the seniors. Dude is hopeless

Reckon he is roughly as good as silvera was when he left, but suspect many others will overtake him
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Pasquali - 22 Apr 2024 2:58 AM
Anyone hearing this commentator? They have no idea that Australia only been in Asia since 2006 but they were complimenting our past qualification efforts decades ago haha

Weirdly enough there are now huge benefits to beint in oceania

Easy path ti the club world cup and the 50 mil that comes with it
Easy pathway now to both the olympics and world cup
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Kuol took forever to get his shot away. A confident kuol takes that first time
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Off the post

Did we tick off another witch doctor?
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That Jelacic shot hitting the post sums the tournament up.
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grazorblade - 22 Apr 2024 3:00 AM
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Weirdly enough there are now huge benefits to beint in oceania

Easy path ti the club world cup and the 50 mil that comes with it
Easy pathway now to both the olympics and world cup

Yeah although being in Oceania would be very boring. I’d prefer being in asia
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What happened to Garang Koul? Why is he so bad now? Couldn't dribble and physically disadvantage to everyone.
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grazorblade - 22 Apr 2024 2:58 AM
So serious question: how do we qualify for the olympics gking forward?

Can we make the national coach in charge of the olyroos during qualification like indonesia do? Is there any hope we can get euro players

A league expansion and an nst will increase our depth spmewhat

Pretty much that. Have a coach in charge who knows what they're doing. The talent pool is growing but we need that liaison with clubs worldwide where we can hopefully reach agreements on releases. There are clubs out there who respect a player's wish due to the fear of pissing them off and having them leave all together. We need to leverage that with our best.
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Crazy there has been only one goal by either side in 270 minutes of our games. With so few goals a single player like irankunda or even tilio really could have made a difference
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mark_000au - 22 Apr 2024 3:07 AM
What happened to Garang Koul? Why is he so bad now? Couldn't dribble and physically disadvantage to everyone.

He has dropped quite a bit. Needs some game time at a low level to get his confidence back
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johnszasz - 22 Apr 2024 3:07 AM
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Pretty much that. Have a coach in charge who knows what they're doing. The talent pool is growing but we need that liaison with clubs worldwide where we can hopefully reach agreements on releases. There are clubs out there who respect a player's wish due to the fear of pissing them off and having them leave all together. We need to leverage that with our best.

Need to prep a long time in advance with clubs offering cash compensation if necessary
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Pasquali - 22 Apr 2024 2:55 AM
Brook will never make the seniors. Dude is hopeless

Yeah been saying this for ages. I'm glad I don't have to watch him anymore. Good to see the 2001-03 guys move on. The 01's are very similar to years before them that plague the Socceroos with issues. 
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mark_000au - 22 Apr 2024 3:07 AM
What happened to Garang Koul? Why is he so bad now? Couldn't dribble and physically disadvantage to everyone.

He's hardly played in weeks. Like playing at a basket case player hoarding loan club makes any sense. Stupid decision to go there really. 
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mark_000au - 22 Apr 2024 3:07 AM
What happened to Garang Koul? Why is he so bad now? Couldn't dribble and physically disadvantage to everyone.

Tbf I've been saying this for ages that Garang isn't as good as we make him out to be. He's physically weak. I remember even when he got picked for the Roos at 17, I was saying Irankunda > Garang and it's not close. Now the gap has become much greater. Garang needs 3+ years before he can contribute as a European winger. 
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bbouy - 22 Apr 2024 3:11 AM
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Yeah been saying this for ages. I'm glad I don't have to watch him anymore. Good to see the 2001-03 guys move on. The 01's are very similar to years before them that plague the Socceroos with issues. 

Robertson volpato circati neiwenhof yazbek bos and triantis all in that age group tho. The better 2004-2008 players will also leave before the tournament
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A number of players playing their last game in a gold shirt tonight and good riddance.
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I don’t believe there is a single player in this side who is ready for senior team 

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bbouy - 22 Apr 2024 3:13 AM
mark_000au - 22 Apr 2024 3:07 AM

Tbf I've been saying this for ages that Garang isn't as good as we make him out to be. He's physically weak. I remember even when he got picked for the Roos at 17, I was saying Irankunda > Garang and it's not close. Now the gap has become much greater. Garang needs 3+ years before he can contribute as a European winger. 

He did have a starting spot in the eredivisie at 18 for a while for the first time since brett holman. Think he still has a great chance to make it
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mark_000au - 22 Apr 2024 2:37 AM
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Vietnam was the finalist at this tournament 4 years ago. How did they go at senior level?  

one poor tournament performance from one nation doesn't change the fact that the region is developing rapidly. anyway I feel no need to convince you of anything, so like I said keep underestimating. the more people that do so the better
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grazorblade - 22 Apr 2024 2:58 AM
So serious question: how do we qualify for the olympics gking forward?

Can we make the national coach in charge of the olyroos during qualification like indonesia do? Is there any hope we can get euro players

A league expansion and an nst will increase our depth spmewhat

Many nations have complained about lack of access to Euro players to FIFA and AFC so I'm hoping next time it'll be during an international window, or change the format and make it over several windows, like the Matilda's qualifier. No Olympics for another 4 years anyways so there'll be an Asian Cup in 2026 with no qualification. 
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Pasquali - 22 Apr 2024 3:14 AM
I don’t believe there is a single player in this side who is ready for senior team 

Players can improve quickly at this age and the number of u23s getting game time is huge
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