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+x+x+xWith every reply to something you don't agree with, the hatred for the A-League just oozes out of you.
Do you think their are message boards all around the world with people constantly saying , " shut the league down and start again " ? You seem to think you know the answers, but are in fact, part of the problem with the game in this country. And this is why I’m disillusioned w/the current state of the game in this country, bc the FFA/APL in their ‘sucking up to mainstream-🇦🇺@ all costs’ wisdom have emboldened fcvkw1ts like you. ⚽️ will always be a majority-ethnic sport in this country for the simple reason that the vast majority of your fellow skips DON’T want to be INTERESTED in it aside from pretending to every 4 years, not bc we ‘nasty effniks’ are forcibly keeping them out as you seem to believe💡 Deal with it. I am no fucking " skip " , bell end. 
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+x+xWith every reply to something you don't agree with, the hatred for the A-League just oozes out of you.
Do you think their are message boards all around the world with people constantly saying , " shut the league down and start again " ? You seem to think you know the answers, but are in fact, part of the problem with the game in this country. And this is why I’m disillusioned w/the current state of the game in this country, bc the FFA/APL in their ‘sucking up to mainstream-🇦🇺@ all costs’ wisdom have emboldened fcvkw1ts like you. ⚽️ will always be a majority-ethnic sport in this country for the simple reason that the vast majority of your fellow skips DON’T want to be INTERESTED in it aside from pretending to every 4 years, not bc we ‘nasty effniks’ are forcibly keeping them out as you seem to believe💡 Deal with it. I am no fucking " skip " , bell end.
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+x+xReally we're all just people lost in time. Lfc and mono are just older (no offense) so they have love and passion for a club they grew up with. And me and south are the same with a league teams. We're just guys lost in the bureaucracy of Australian football OLDER :) yer I am and so is Sutho, MSC is young/er no offense if wrong. Your right bureaucracy has been big part of the void all along. It no matter the age gaps or whatever, from my POV I just want/wish/hope for NPL and below Nationally to have the credit and support they richly deserve to breath, see the sun sunshine and GROW with OPEN competition the game has lacked forever and a day..... Time for the change has come, can't stay as it is otherwise we stay the same messy code we always have been. The other codes have nothing like what we can offer from top to bottom, especially from bottom up, they got nothing, its there to be steered, modelled and driven through. Hahaha yeah, dont worry mate I aint no spring chicken.... plenty of sliver poking through in my hair these days :). MCG mate all I care about is a fair go for EVERYONE, every single club in this country. No more agendas. no more division, no more "fish where the fish are" no more "new soccer, old football" treat every single football club as an asset to the sport... thats all. Simples.... The NSL, as shit and maligned as it was, was BEGGING for new clubs to join and "mainstream" appeal to everyone... The current ponzi scheme is the exact opposite.
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+xWith every reply to something you don't agree with, the hatred for the A-League just oozes out of you.
Do you think their are message boards all around the world with people constantly saying , " shut the league down and start again " ? You seem to think you know the answers, but are in fact, part of the problem with the game in this country. And this is why I’m disillusioned w/the current state of the game in this country, bc the FFA/APL in their ‘sucking up to mainstream-🇦🇺@ all costs’ wisdom have emboldened fcvkw1ts like you. ⚽️ will always be a majority-ethnic sport in this country for the simple reason that the vast majority of your fellow skips DON’T want to be INTERESTED in it aside from pretending to every 4 years, not bc we ‘nasty effniks’ are forcibly keeping them out as you seem to believe💡 Deal with it.
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+xReally we're all just people lost in time. Lfc and mono are just older (no offense) so they have love and passion for a club they grew up with. And me and south are the same with a league teams. We're just guys lost in the bureaucracy of Australian football OLDER :) yer I am and so is Sutho, MSC is young/er no offense if wrong. Your right bureaucracy has been big part of the void all along. It no matter the age gaps or whatever, from my POV I just want/wish/hope for NPL and below Nationally to have the credit and support they richly deserve to breath, see the sun sunshine and GROW with OPEN competition the game has lacked forever and a day..... Time for the change has come, can't stay as it is otherwise we stay the same messy code we always have been. The other codes have nothing like what we can offer from top to bottom, especially from bottom up, they got nothing, its there to be steered, modelled and driven through.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]Good to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 Conroy also ruled out any possibility of the APL seeking to merge again with Football Australia, as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. So you "have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football" but also think that if these clubs are involved the NSD will fail? Have I got that about right? Like I said you put words into my mouth. Re read it again mate. If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows. If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided. Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole. No words in your mouth Robbo, just trying to clarify your stance. In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) : "I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble." Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up) is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already. One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella... Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh? OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC. Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s. We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there. Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know. Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh? Your last sentence, " go back to supporting all of Football " like before. Maybe if you all did support football before, then there would have been no need for the A league ! So why the "need" for it now? To appease less than a thousand kids with cowbells? It was needed because your previous league died, due to , lack of support , no P&R and attendances that would make MacArthur blush. That is just the biggest three IMHO. So the NSL (I am assuming thats what you mean by "your previous league"?, ) died through lack of support and NO Pro Rel, yet the Aleague will survive somehow under the same conditions? Isnt that a little like banging your head on a brick wall over and over again hoping for a different outcome? What support are the plastic fantastics getting now Sutho? lets be real here... It started with a bang, grew fairly large in 12-14 and has been an a steady decline ever since... If you think 3 thousand fans (thats what they report but if you were honest with yourself you would see the less than 1 thousand that the rest of us see) at WU and Macarthur games is not leading down the same sad decline as the NSL did then you are delusional.
Let go of your NSL, it aint coming back.
The A league will in my mind plateua at around about 9500-10000 in about 2 years time.
The NSL was good for a lot of sub 1000 crowds as you well know. MacArthur will be gone shortly, and shouls arrest the decline in attendances. BTW Average crowds of 8500 , is something the poor NSL could only have dreamed of.
You need to let go of the hatred. Yes , the A league is far from perfect, but it is the best National football competition the country has ever had. I would argue the Australia Cup was the best national football competition the country has ever had, just based on the amount of participating clubs and engaged communities but ok... Nobody wants the NSL back, Im not sure why you keep repeating this tired old mantra? Absolutely they would have dreamed of 8500 crowds... well done to the new plastic dawn for increasing attendances ... now what? Is that it? Is football "complete"? Does your xenophobia not allow you to see that there are thousands of other clubs outside the tent that want the opportunity and ambition to contribute? Is the solution to everything in Australian football just to say "well its BETTER than the NSL"? [/quote]With every reply to something you don't agree with, the hatred for the A-League just oozes out of you. Do you think their are message boards all around the world with people constantly saying , " shut the league down and start again " ? You seem to think you know the answers, but are in fact, part of the problem with the game in this country. I pray for the day the SPL decides to re-vamp. relegates, Hibs, Hearts, Rangers and Celtic out of the first division "PERMANENTLY" and with NO WAY of regaining promotion and creates out of thin air, a one town, one club comp with new franchises like Edinburgh Energy, Glasgow Goal Scorers, Dundee Dynamite and Stirling Soccers FC --- Im sure, you in your almighty love for the game in your homeland will drop your allegiances and join one of the new entities eh?
I can see the Glasgow Goalscorers new kit already
Fuck that bloke is brave. Did laugh at Glasgow Goalscorers though. [/quote]He's a symphony of style... Frosted tips, "Back to the Future" wristwatch and all... Heard a good sledge the other day while I was reffing. A bloke was running around with those frosted tips and someone yelled out 'watch out for top deck'. Hahahahaha.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]Good to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it
For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell.
Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names.
Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥
Conroy also ruled out any possibility of the APL seeking to merge again with Football Australia, as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“
I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch.
We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole.
Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders.
No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on.......
The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all.
Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world.
IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion.
I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England.
Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward.
Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets?
Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent?
I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble.
As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK.
The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level.
Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible.
Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations.
We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture.
Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in.
Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours.
Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club)
We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct......
You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours.
APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not.
You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same.
Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ?
He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead.
The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up.
There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above.
Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough.
Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters.
This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it.
I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies.
I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL.
I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle.
As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside.
Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now.
Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC.
Like I said you put words into my mouth.
Re read it again mate.
If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows.
If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided.
Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole.
In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) :
"I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble."
Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up) is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already. One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella...
Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh?
OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC.
Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s.
We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there.
Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know. Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh?
Your last sentence, " go back to supporting all of Football " like before. Maybe if you all did support football before, then there would have been no need for the A league !
So why the "need" for it now? To appease less than a thousand kids with cowbells?
It was needed because your previous league died, due to , lack of support , no P&R and attendances that would make MacArthur blush. That is just the biggest three IMHO.
So the NSL (I am assuming thats what you mean by "your previous league"?, ) died through lack of support and NO Pro Rel, yet the Aleague will survive somehow under the same conditions?
Isnt that a little like banging your head on a brick wall over and over again hoping for a different outcome? What support are the plastic fantastics getting now Sutho? lets be real here... It started with a bang, grew fairly large in 12-14 and has been an a steady decline ever since... If you think 3 thousand fans (thats what they report but if you were honest with yourself you would see the less than 1 thousand that the rest of us see) at WU and Macarthur games is not leading down the same sad decline as the NSL did then you are delusional. Let go of your NSL, it aint coming back. The A league will in my mind plateua at around about 9500-10000 in about 2 years time. The NSL was good for a lot of sub 1000 crowds as you well know. MacArthur will be gone shortly, and shouls arrest the decline in attendances. BTW Average crowds of 8500 , is something the poor NSL could only have dreamed of. You need to let go of the hatred. Yes , the A league is far from perfect, but it is the best National football competition the country has ever had. [/quote]I would argue the Australia Cup was the best national football competition the country has ever had, just based on the amount of participating clubs and engaged communities but ok... Nobody wants the NSL back, Im not sure why you keep repeating this tired old mantra? Absolutely they would have dreamed of 8500 crowds... well done to the new plastic dawn for increasing attendances ... now what? Is that it? Is football "complete"? Does your xenophobia not allow you to see that there are thousands of other clubs outside the tent that want the opportunity and ambition to contribute? Is the solution to everything in Australian football just to say "well its BETTER than the NSL"? With every reply to something you don't agree with, the hatred for the A-League just oozes out of you. Do you think their are message boards all around the world with people constantly saying , " shut the league down and start again " ? You seem to think you know the answers, but are in fact, part of the problem with the game in this country.
I pray for the day the SPL decides to re-vamp. relegates, Hibs, Hearts, Rangers and Celtic out of the first division "PERMANENTLY" and with NO WAY of regaining promotion and creates out of thin air, a one town, one club comp with new franchises like Edinburgh Energy, Glasgow Goal Scorers, Dundee Dynamite and Stirling Soccers FC ---
Im sure, you in your almighty love for the game in your homeland will drop your allegiances and join one of the new entities eh? I can see the Glasgow Goalscorers new kit already [/quote]Fuck that bloke is brave. Did laugh at Glasgow Goalscorers though. He's a symphony of style... Frosted tips, "Back to the Future" wristwatch and all... Surely there is a Frank McLowy somewhere that can get the ball rolling ... "C'mon you boys in Green, and Blue and Red and White and Black" hahahahaha
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]Good to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 , as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. So you "have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football" but also think that if these clubs are involved the NSD will fail? Have I got that about right? Like I said you put words into my mouth. Re read it again mate. If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows. If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided. Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole. No words in your mouth Robbo, just trying to clarify your stance. In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) : "I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble." Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up) is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already. One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella... Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh? OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC. Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s. We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there. Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know. Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh? Your last sentence, " go back to supporting all of Football " like before. Maybe if you all did support football before, then there would have been no need for the A league ! So why the "need" for it now? To appease less than a thousand kids with cowbells? It was needed because your previous league died, due to , lack of support , no P&R and attendances that would make MacArthur blush. That is just the biggest three IMHO. So the NSL (I am assuming thats what you mean by "your previous league"?, ) died through lack of support and NO Pro Rel, yet the Aleague will survive somehow under the same conditions? Isnt that a little like banging your head on a brick wall over and over again hoping for a different outcome? What support are the plastic fantastics getting now Sutho? lets be real here... It started with a bang, grew fairly large in 12-14 and has been an a steady decline ever since... If you think 3 thousand fans (thats what they report but if you were honest with yourself you would see the less than 1 thousand that the rest of us see) at WU and Macarthur games is not leading down the same sad decline as the NSL did then you are delusional. [/quote]Let go of your NSL, it aint coming back. The A league will in my mind plateua at around about 9500-10000 in about 2 years time. The NSL was good for a lot of sub 1000 crowds as you well know. MacArthur will be gone shortly, and shouls arrest the decline in attendances. BTW Average crowds of 8500 , is something the poor NSL could only have dreamed of. You need to let go of the hatred. Yes , the A league is far from perfect, but it is the best National football competition the country has ever had. I would argue the Australia Cup was the best national football competition the country has ever had, just based on the amount of participating clubs and engaged communities but ok... Nobody wants the NSL back, Im not sure why you keep repeating this tired old mantra? Absolutely they would have dreamed of 8500 crowds... well done to the new plastic dawn for increasing attendances ... now what? Is that it? Is football "complete"? Does your xenophobia not allow you to see that there are thousands of other clubs outside the tent that want the opportunity and ambition to contribute? Is the solution to everything in Australian football just to say "well its BETTER than the NSL"?
With every reply to something you don't agree with, the hatred for the A-League just oozes out of you.
Do you think their are message boards all around the world with people constantly saying , " shut the league down and start again " ?
You seem to think you know the answers, but are in fact, part of the problem with the game in this country. I pray for the day the SPL decides to re-vamp. relegates, Hibs, Hearts, Rangers and Celtic out of the first division "PERMANENTLY" and with NO WAY of regaining promotion and creates out of thin air, a one town, one club comp with new franchises like Edinburgh Energy, Glasgow Goal Scorers, Dundee Dynamite and Stirling Soccers FC --- Im sure, you in your almighty love for the game in your homeland will drop your allegiances and join one of the new entities eh? [/quote]I can see the Glasgow Goalscorers new kit already Fuck that bloke is brave. Did laugh at Glasgow Goalscorers though.
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Really we're all just people lost in time.
Lfc and mono are just older (no offense) so they have love and passion for a club they grew up with.
And me and south are the same with a league teams.
We're just guys lost in the bureaucracy of Australian football
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]Good to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 , as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. So you "have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football" but also think that if these clubs are involved the NSD will fail? Have I got that about right? Like I said you put words into my mouth. Re read it again mate. If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows. If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided. Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole. No words in your mouth Robbo, just trying to clarify your stance. In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) : "I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble." Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up) is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already. One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella... Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh? OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC. Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s. We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there. Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know. Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh? Your last sentence, " go back to supporting all of Football " like before. Maybe if you all did support football before, then there would have been no need for the A league ! So why the "need" for it now? To appease less than a thousand kids with cowbells? It was needed because your previous league died, due to , lack of support , no P&R and attendances that would make MacArthur blush. That is just the biggest three IMHO. So the NSL (I am assuming thats what you mean by "your previous league"?, ) died through lack of support and NO Pro Rel, yet the Aleague will survive somehow under the same conditions? Isnt that a little like banging your head on a brick wall over and over again hoping for a different outcome? What support are the plastic fantastics getting now Sutho? lets be real here... It started with a bang, grew fairly large in 12-14 and has been an a steady decline ever since... If you think 3 thousand fans (thats what they report but if you were honest with yourself you would see the less than 1 thousand that the rest of us see) at WU and Macarthur games is not leading down the same sad decline as the NSL did then you are delusional. [/quote]Let go of your NSL, it aint coming back. The A league will in my mind plateua at around about 9500-10000 in about 2 years time. The NSL was good for a lot of sub 1000 crowds as you well know. MacArthur will be gone shortly, and shouls arrest the decline in attendances. BTW Average crowds of 8500 , is something the poor NSL could only have dreamed of. You need to let go of the hatred. Yes , the A league is far from perfect, but it is the best National football competition the country has ever had. I would argue the Australia Cup was the best national football competition the country has ever had, just based on the amount of participating clubs and engaged communities but ok... Nobody wants the NSL back, Im not sure why you keep repeating this tired old mantra? Absolutely they would have dreamed of 8500 crowds... well done to the new plastic dawn for increasing attendances ... now what? Is that it? Is football "complete"? Does your xenophobia not allow you to see that there are thousands of other clubs outside the tent that want the opportunity and ambition to contribute? Is the solution to everything in Australian football just to say "well its BETTER than the NSL"?
With every reply to something you don't agree with, the hatred for the A-League just oozes out of you.
Do you think their are message boards all around the world with people constantly saying , " shut the league down and start again " ?
You seem to think you know the answers, but are in fact, part of the problem with the game in this country. I pray for the day the SPL decides to re-vamp. relegates, Hibs, Hearts, Rangers and Celtic out of the first division "PERMANENTLY" and with NO WAY of regaining promotion and creates out of thin air, a one town, one club comp with new franchises like Edinburgh Energy, Glasgow Goal Scorers, Dundee Dynamite and Stirling Soccers FC --- Im sure, you in your almighty love for the game in your homeland will drop your allegiances and join one of the new entities eh? [/quote]I can see the Glasgow Goalscorers new kit already hahahah... No he wont respond though because HIS precious club is sacred but Im not supposed to care about mine for some reason.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]Good to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 , as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. So you "have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football" but also think that if these clubs are involved the NSD will fail? Have I got that about right? Like I said you put words into my mouth. Re read it again mate. If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows. If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided. Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole. No words in your mouth Robbo, just trying to clarify your stance. In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) : "I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble." Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up) is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already. One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella... Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh? OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC. Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s. We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there. Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know. Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh? Your last sentence, " go back to supporting all of Football " like before. Maybe if you all did support football before, then there would have been no need for the A league ! So why the "need" for it now? To appease less than a thousand kids with cowbells? It was needed because your previous league died, due to , lack of support , no P&R and attendances that would make MacArthur blush. That is just the biggest three IMHO. So the NSL (I am assuming thats what you mean by "your previous league"?, ) died through lack of support and NO Pro Rel, yet the Aleague will survive somehow under the same conditions? Isnt that a little like banging your head on a brick wall over and over again hoping for a different outcome? What support are the plastic fantastics getting now Sutho? lets be real here... It started with a bang, grew fairly large in 12-14 and has been an a steady decline ever since... If you think 3 thousand fans (thats what they report but if you were honest with yourself you would see the less than 1 thousand that the rest of us see) at WU and Macarthur games is not leading down the same sad decline as the NSL did then you are delusional. Let go of your NSL, it aint coming back. The A league will in my mind plateua at around about 9500-10000 in about 2 years time. The NSL was good for a lot of sub 1000 crowds as you well know. MacArthur will be gone shortly, and shouls arrest the decline in attendances. BTW Average crowds of 8500 , is something the poor NSL could only have dreamed of. You need to let go of the hatred. Yes , the A league is far from perfect, but it is the best National football competition the country has ever had.
I would argue the Australia Cup was the best national football competition the country has ever had, just based on the amount of participating clubs and engaged communities but ok...
Nobody wants the NSL back, Im not sure why you keep repeating this tired old mantra? Absolutely they would have dreamed of 8500 crowds... well done to the new plastic dawn for increasing attendances ... now what? Is that it? Is football "complete"? Does your xenophobia not allow you to see that there are thousands of other clubs outside the tent that want the opportunity and ambition to contribute? Is the solution to everything in Australian football just to say "well its BETTER than the NSL"? With every reply to something you don't agree with, the hatred for the A-League just oozes out of you. Do you think their are message boards all around the world with people constantly saying , " shut the league down and start again " ? You seem to think you know the answers, but are in fact, part of the problem with the game in this country. [/quote]I pray for the day the SPL decides to re-vamp. relegates, Hibs, Hearts, Rangers and Celtic out of the first division "PERMANENTLY" and with NO WAY of regaining promotion and creates out of thin air, a one town, one club comp with new franchises like Edinburgh Energy, Glasgow Goal Scorers, Dundee Dynamite and Stirling Soccers FC --- Im sure, you in your almighty love for the game in your homeland will drop your allegiances and join one of the new entities eh? I can see the Glasgow Goalscorers new kit already
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]Good to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 Conroy also ruled out any possibility of the APL seeking to merge again with Football Australia, as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. So you "have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football" but also think that if these clubs are involved the NSD will fail? Have I got that about right? Like I said you put words into my mouth. Re read it again mate. If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows. If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided. Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole. No words in your mouth Robbo, just trying to clarify your stance. In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) : "I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble." Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up) is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already. One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella... Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh? OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC. Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s. We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there. Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know. Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh? Your last sentence, " go back to supporting all of Football " like before. Maybe if you all did support football before, then there would have been no need for the A league ! So why the "need" for it now? To appease less than a thousand kids with cowbells? It was needed because your previous league died, due to , lack of support , no P&R and attendances that would make MacArthur blush. That is just the biggest three IMHO. So the NSL (I am assuming thats what you mean by "your previous league"?, ) died through lack of support and NO Pro Rel, yet the Aleague will survive somehow under the same conditions? Isnt that a little like banging your head on a brick wall over and over again hoping for a different outcome? What support are the plastic fantastics getting now Sutho? lets be real here... It started with a bang, grew fairly large in 12-14 and has been an a steady decline ever since... If you think 3 thousand fans (thats what they report but if you were honest with yourself you would see the less than 1 thousand that the rest of us see) at WU and Macarthur games is not leading down the same sad decline as the NSL did then you are delusional.
Let go of your NSL, it aint coming back.
The A league will in my mind plateua at around about 9500-10000 in about 2 years time.
The NSL was good for a lot of sub 1000 crowds as you well know. MacArthur will be gone shortly, and shouls arrest the decline in attendances. BTW Average crowds of 8500 , is something the poor NSL could only have dreamed of.
You need to let go of the hatred. Yes , the A league is far from perfect, but it is the best National football competition the country has ever had. I would argue the Australia Cup was the best national football competition the country has ever had, just based on the amount of participating clubs and engaged communities but ok... Nobody wants the NSL back, Im not sure why you keep repeating this tired old mantra? Absolutely they would have dreamed of 8500 crowds... well done to the new plastic dawn for increasing attendances ... now what? Is that it? Is football "complete"? Does your xenophobia not allow you to see that there are thousands of other clubs outside the tent that want the opportunity and ambition to contribute? Is the solution to everything in Australian football just to say "well its BETTER than the NSL"? [/quote]With every reply to something you don't agree with, the hatred for the A-League just oozes out of you. Do you think their are message boards all around the world with people constantly saying , " shut the league down and start again " ? You seem to think you know the answers, but are in fact, part of the problem with the game in this country. I pray for the day the SPL decides to re-vamp. relegates, Hibs, Hearts, Rangers and Celtic out of the first division "PERMANENTLY" and with NO WAY of regaining promotion and creates out of thin air, a one town, one club comp with new franchises like Edinburgh Energy, Glasgow Goal Scorers, Dundee Dynamite and Stirling Soccers FC --- Im sure, you in your almighty love for the game in your homeland will drop your allegiances and join one of the new entities eh?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]Good to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :)
The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either.
The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years...
A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans)....
The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country.
Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football.
Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it
For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell.
Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names.
Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥
Conroy also ruled out any possibility of the APL seeking to merge again with Football Australia, as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“
I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch.
We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole.
Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders.
No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on.......
The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all.
Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world.
IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion.
I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England.
Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward.
Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets?
Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent?
I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble.
As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK.
The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level.
Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible.
Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations.
We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture.
Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in.
Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours.
Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club)
We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct......
You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours.
APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not.
You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same.
Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ?
He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead.
The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up.
There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above.
Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough.
Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters.
This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it.
I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies.
I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL.
I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle.
As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside.
Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now.
Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC.
Like I said you put words into my mouth.
Re read it again mate.
If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows.
If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided.
Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole.
In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) :
"I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble."
Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up) is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already. One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella...
Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh?
OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC.
Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s.
We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there.
Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know. Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh?
Your last sentence, " go back to supporting all of Football " like before. Maybe if you all did support football before, then there would have been no need for the A league !
So why the "need" for it now? To appease less than a thousand kids with cowbells?
It was needed because your previous league died, due to , lack of support , no P&R and attendances that would make MacArthur blush. That is just the biggest three IMHO.
So the NSL (I am assuming thats what you mean by "your previous league"?, ) died through lack of support and NO Pro Rel, yet the Aleague will survive somehow under the same conditions?
Isnt that a little like banging your head on a brick wall over and over again hoping for a different outcome? What support are the plastic fantastics getting now Sutho? lets be real here... It started with a bang, grew fairly large in 12-14 and has been an a steady decline ever since... If you think 3 thousand fans (thats what they report but if you were honest with yourself you would see the less than 1 thousand that the rest of us see) at WU and Macarthur games is not leading down the same sad decline as the NSL did then you are delusional. Let go of your NSL, it aint coming back. The A league will in my mind plateua at around about 9500-10000 in about 2 years time. The NSL was good for a lot of sub 1000 crowds as you well know. MacArthur will be gone shortly, and shouls arrest the decline in attendances. BTW Average crowds of 8500 , is something the poor NSL could only have dreamed of. You need to let go of the hatred. Yes , the A league is far from perfect, but it is the best National football competition the country has ever had. [/quote]I would argue the Australia Cup was the best national football competition the country has ever had, just based on the amount of participating clubs and engaged communities but ok... Nobody wants the NSL back, Im not sure why you keep repeating this tired old mantra? Absolutely they would have dreamed of 8500 crowds... well done to the new plastic dawn for increasing attendances ... now what? Is that it? Is football "complete"? Does your xenophobia not allow you to see that there are thousands of other clubs outside the tent that want the opportunity and ambition to contribute? Is the solution to everything in Australian football just to say "well its BETTER than the NSL"? With every reply to something you don't agree with, the hatred for the A-League just oozes out of you. Do you think their are message boards all around the world with people constantly saying , " shut the league down and start again " ? You seem to think you know the answers, but are in fact, part of the problem with the game in this country.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]Good to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 , as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. So you "have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football" but also think that if these clubs are involved the NSD will fail? Have I got that about right? Like I said you put words into my mouth. Re read it again mate. If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows. If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided. Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole. No words in your mouth Robbo, just trying to clarify your stance. In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) : "I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble." Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up) is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already. One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella... Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh? OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC. Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s. We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there. Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know. Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh? Your last sentence, " go back to supporting all of Football " like before. Maybe if you all did support football before, then there would have been no need for the A league ! So why the "need" for it now? To appease less than a thousand kids with cowbells? It was needed because your previous league died, due to , lack of support , no P&R and attendances that would make MacArthur blush. That is just the biggest three IMHO. So the NSL (I am assuming thats what you mean by "your previous league"?, ) died through lack of support and NO Pro Rel, yet the Aleague will survive somehow under the same conditions? Isnt that a little like banging your head on a brick wall over and over again hoping for a different outcome? What support are the plastic fantastics getting now Sutho? lets be real here... It started with a bang, grew fairly large in 12-14 and has been an a steady decline ever since... If you think 3 thousand fans (thats what they report but if you were honest with yourself you would see the less than 1 thousand that the rest of us see) at WU and Macarthur games is not leading down the same sad decline as the NSL did then you are delusional. [/quote]Let go of your NSL, it aint coming back. The A league will in my mind plateua at around about 9500-10000 in about 2 years time. The NSL was good for a lot of sub 1000 crowds as you well know. MacArthur will be gone shortly, and shouls arrest the decline in attendances. BTW Average crowds of 8500 , is something the poor NSL could only have dreamed of. You need to let go of the hatred. Yes , the A league is far from perfect, but it is the best National football competition the country has ever had. I would argue the Australia Cup was the best national football competition the country has ever had, just based on the amount of participating clubs and engaged communities but ok... Nobody wants the NSL back, Im not sure why you keep repeating this tired old mantra? Absolutely they would have dreamed of 8500 crowds... well done to the new plastic dawn for increasing attendances ... now what? Is that it? Is football "complete"? Does your xenophobia not allow you to see that there are thousands of other clubs outside the tent that want the opportunity and ambition to contribute? Is the solution to everything in Australian football just to say "well its BETTER than the NSL"?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]Good to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 , as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. So you "have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football" but also think that if these clubs are involved the NSD will fail? Have I got that about right? Like I said you put words into my mouth. Re read it again mate. If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows. If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided. Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole. No words in your mouth Robbo, just trying to clarify your stance. In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) : "I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble." Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up) is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already. One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella... Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh? OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC. Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s. We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there. Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know. Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh? Your last sentence, " go back to supporting all of Football " like before. Maybe if you all did support football before, then there would have been no need for the A league ! So why the "need" for it now? To appease less than a thousand kids with cowbells? It was needed because your previous league died, due to , lack of support , no P&R and attendances that would make MacArthur blush. That is just the biggest three IMHO. alot of water under the bridge there Sutho thats been covered countless times and we all agree it fell on its sword due to so many hurdles and failings, alot has changed in our world and with the many many lessons observed the next phase fell on its sword as well with an entire different model but with the same vein, no other Club IN but for paying for it. Bulls have no reason to blush at all with everything at their disposal and large catchment amongst another couple having more seagulls than spectators even 20yrs on. As I've mentioned, JJ is our only main flame to get behind for the sake of the game moving forward once and for all in the hope of leaving alot of baggage left behind, its a tall order but we can only hope sanity prevails. APL is their and your own destiny, in this want it now world lets see whats to become for I reckon the only chance in the near future is a peace pipe of some sorts. [/quote]Yes, a lot of water has passed , but, you would never know, going by some posters on here. all I see is varied passions by posters wanting a fair outcome for the Clubs no matter who/where they came from and further below a fair go and system that is workable to give the game the credibilty and competition it richly deserves to grow for the better......its the bulk of the game and been held back. All football supporters/the few in the media such as Hill etcetc (those who understand and know whats doing) should be right behind the FA's intentions and screaming to the clouds.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Good to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 , as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. So you "have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football" but also think that if these clubs are involved the NSD will fail? Have I got that about right? Like I said you put words into my mouth. Re read it again mate. If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows. If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided. Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole. No words in your mouth Robbo, just trying to clarify your stance. In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) : "I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble." Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up) is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already. One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella... Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh? OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC. Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s. We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there. Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know. Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh? Your last sentence, " go back to supporting all of Football " like before. Maybe if you all did support football before, then there would have been no need for the A league ! So why the "need" for it now? To appease less than a thousand kids with cowbells? It was needed because your previous league died, due to , lack of support , no P&R and attendances that would make MacArthur blush. That is just the biggest three IMHO. So the NSL (I am assuming thats what you mean by "your previous league"?, ) died through lack of support and NO Pro Rel, yet the Aleague will survive somehow under the same conditions? Isnt that a little like banging your head on a brick wall over and over again hoping for a different outcome? What support are the plastic fantastics getting now Sutho? lets be real here... It started with a bang, grew fairly large in 12-14 and has been an a steady decline ever since... If you think 3 thousand fans (thats what they report but if you were honest with yourself you would see the less than 1 thousand that the rest of us see) at WU and Macarthur games is not leading down the same sad decline as the NSL did then you are delusional. Let go of your NSL, it aint coming back. The A league will in my mind plateua at around about 9500-10000 in about 2 years time. The NSL was good for a lot of sub 1000 crowds as you well know. MacArthur will be gone shortly, and shouls arrest the decline in attendances. BTW Average crowds of 8500 , is something the poor NSL could only have dreamed of. You need to let go of the hatred. Yes , the A league is far from perfect, but it is the best National football competition the country has ever had.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xGood to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 Conroy also ruled out any possibility of the APL seeking to merge again with Football Australia, as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. So you "have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football" but also think that if these clubs are involved the NSD will fail? Have I got that about right? Like I said you put words into my mouth. Re read it again mate. If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows. If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided. Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole. No words in your mouth Robbo, just trying to clarify your stance. In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) : "I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble." Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up) is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already. One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella... Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh? OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC. Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s. We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there. Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know. Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh? Your last sentence, " go back to supporting all of Football " like before. Maybe if you all did support football before, then there would have been no need for the A league ! So why the "need" for it now? To appease less than a thousand kids with cowbells? It was needed because your previous league died, due to , lack of support , no P&R and attendances that would make MacArthur blush. That is just the biggest three IMHO. So the NSL (I am assuming thats what you mean by "your previous league"?, ) died through lack of support and NO Pro Rel, yet the Aleague will survive somehow under the same conditions? Isnt that a little like banging your head on a brick wall over and over again hoping for a different outcome? What support are the plastic fantastics getting now Sutho? lets be real here... It started with a bang, grew fairly large in 12-14 and has been an a steady decline ever since... If you think 3 thousand fans (thats what they report but if you were honest with yourself you would see the less than 1 thousand that the rest of us see) at WU and Macarthur games is not leading down the same sad decline as the NSL did then you are delusional.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Good to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 , as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. So you "have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football" but also think that if these clubs are involved the NSD will fail? Have I got that about right? Like I said you put words into my mouth. Re read it again mate. If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows. If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided. Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole. No words in your mouth Robbo, just trying to clarify your stance. In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) : "I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble." Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up) is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already. One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella... Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh? OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC. Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s. We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there. Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know. Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh? Your last sentence, " go back to supporting all of Football " like before. Maybe if you all did support football before, then there would have been no need for the A league ! So why the "need" for it now? To appease less than a thousand kids with cowbells? It was needed because your previous league died, due to , lack of support , no P&R and attendances that would make MacArthur blush. That is just the biggest three IMHO. alot of water under the bridge there Sutho thats been covered countless times and we all agree it fell on its sword due to so many hurdles and failings, alot has changed in our world and with the many many lessons observed the next phase fell on its sword as well with an entire different model but with the same vein, no other Club IN but for paying for it. Bulls have no reason to blush at all with everything at their disposal and large catchment amongst another couple having more seagulls than spectators even 20yrs on. As I've mentioned, JJ is our only main flame to get behind for the sake of the game moving forward once and for all in the hope of leaving alot of baggage left behind, its a tall order but we can only hope sanity prevails. APL is their and your own destiny, in this want it now world lets see whats to become for I reckon the only chance in the near future is a peace pipe of some sorts. Yes, a lot of water has passed , but, you would never know, going by some posters on here.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xGood to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 Conroy also ruled out any possibility of the APL seeking to merge again with Football Australia, as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. So you "have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football" but also think that if these clubs are involved the NSD will fail? Have I got that about right? Like I said you put words into my mouth. Re read it again mate. If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows. If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided. Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole. No words in your mouth Robbo, just trying to clarify your stance. In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) : "I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble." Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up) is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already. One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella... Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh? OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC. Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s. We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there. Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know. Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh? Your last sentence, " go back to supporting all of Football " like before. Maybe if you all did support football before, then there would have been no need for the A league ! So why the "need" for it now? To appease less than a thousand kids with cowbells? It was needed because your previous league died, due to , lack of support , no P&R and attendances that would make MacArthur blush. That is just the biggest three IMHO. alot of water under the bridge there Sutho thats been covered countless times and we all agree it fell on its sword due to so many hurdles and failings, alot has changed in our world and with the many many lessons observed the next phase fell on its sword as well with an entire different model but with the same vein, no other Club IN but for paying for it. Bulls have no reason to blush at all with everything at their disposal and large catchment amongst another couple having more seagulls than spectators even 20yrs on. As I've mentioned, JJ is our only main flame to get behind for the sake of the game moving forward once and for all in the hope of leaving alot of baggage left behind, its a tall order but we can only hope sanity prevails. APL is their and your own destiny, in this want it now world lets see whats to become for I reckon the only chance in the near future is a peace pipe of some sorts.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xGood to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 Conroy also ruled out any possibility of the APL seeking to merge again with Football Australia, as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. So you "have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football" but also think that if these clubs are involved the NSD will fail? Have I got that about right? Like I said you put words into my mouth. Re read it again mate. If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows. If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided. Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole. No words in your mouth Robbo, just trying to clarify your stance. In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) : "I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble." Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up) is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already. One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella... Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh? OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC. Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s. We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there. Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know. Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh? Your last sentence, " go back to supporting all of Football " like before. Maybe if you all did support football before, then there would have been no need for the A league ! So why the "need" for it now? To appease less than a thousand kids with cowbells? It was needed because your previous league died, due to , lack of support , no P&R and attendances that would make MacArthur blush. That is just the biggest three IMHO.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xGood to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 Conroy also ruled out any possibility of the APL seeking to merge again with Football Australia, as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. I actually understood what you've said re the ethnic clubs in other posts, they don't/didn't represent you thats fine I know, relax, my bad prob worded it wrong hence your read. Re having them be in top flight (one day maybe) most times you say all its doing is bringing back the past and you see no good of it - maybe maybe not we shall see but its whole new ball game compared to way back then, Sir Arthur George etcetc whereas alot has moved on, improved, opened eyes and there is JJ leading the modern day outlook. He sees the need of doing one huge step for mankind. Don't think the APL will fold up in the short term, its in their hands we can only watch and see how it can rebuild over the next couple of seasons or more, in the meantime we hope NST stands up in its infant stages and see what prevails. Sooner of later something is going to give, be it JJ, be it the APL, be it the fans. Yes we all dream of unity - this rests with the above in some shape or form.The APL Clubs here in Syd long ago we're trying to align with local Clubs not just NPL, my own Club for the Jnrs SFC would turn up to hold training evenings, players like Sasa Og etcetc. They have been there done that, member discounts through Club websites, most are aligned with close vicinity NPL's is obvious, they need to milk players not just from their academies. Hopefully one day a skint thread will be history - hopefully before you and I are you no where. Unity means different things to different people LFC... APL want everyone united to just "their" version of football.... Those "alignments" with NPL clubs you mention are not equal partnerships, they are "untapped markets".... mate - what I typed as a general comment : Sooner of later something is going to give, be it JJ, be it the APL, be it the fans..... Yes we all dream of unity - this rests with the above in some shape or form.
I stand by the FA/JJ directives first foremost and completely, they are OUR Football Governance - above there is 3 parties at hand that have influence whats to become...... The APL or AL as introduced, people took to it because we never had anything as such hence the burley was bitten. After the honeymoon the cracks evolved and now in V2 running on a oily rag looking for air. Having Pro players the one main good thing to be. In their hands whats their future and we will all wait and see what becomes..if they gain sustainable success in the coming years good luck to them, in time something is going to give. In the meantime FA/JJ have to move on what the game needs below and I'm right next to them in hope we finally get somewhere for the Clubs/game below that has been shut off for 20yrs let alone more support to open up below the NST importantly. This builds we build - APL won't matter in the end.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xGood to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 Conroy also ruled out any possibility of the APL seeking to merge again with Football Australia, as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. I actually understood what you've said re the ethnic clubs in other posts, they don't/didn't represent you thats fine I know, relax, my bad prob worded it wrong hence your read. Re having them be in top flight (one day maybe) most times you say all its doing is bringing back the past and you see no good of it - maybe maybe not we shall see but its whole new ball game compared to way back then, Sir Arthur George etcetc whereas alot has moved on, improved, opened eyes and there is JJ leading the modern day outlook. He sees the need of doing one huge step for mankind. Don't think the APL will fold up in the short term, its in their hands we can only watch and see how it can rebuild over the next couple of seasons or more, in the meantime we hope NST stands up in its infant stages and see what prevails. Sooner of later something is going to give, be it JJ, be it the APL, be it the fans. Yes we all dream of unity - this rests with the above in some shape or form.The APL Clubs here in Syd long ago we're trying to align with local Clubs not just NPL, my own Club for the Jnrs SFC would turn up to hold training evenings, players like Sasa Og etcetc. They have been there done that, member discounts through Club websites, most are aligned with close vicinity NPL's is obvious, they need to milk players not just from their academies. Hopefully one day a skint thread will be history - hopefully before you and I are you no where. Unity means different things to different people LFC... APL want everyone united to just "their" version of football.... Those "alignments" with NPL clubs you mention are not equal partnerships, they are "untapped markets"....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xGood to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 Conroy also ruled out any possibility of the APL seeking to merge again with Football Australia, as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. I actually understood what you've said re the ethnic clubs in other posts, they don't/didn't represent you thats fine I know, relax, my bad prob worded it wrong hence your read. Re having them be in top flight (one day maybe) most times you say all its doing is bringing back the past and you see no good of it - maybe maybe not we shall see but its whole new ball game compared to way back then, Sir Arthur George etcetc whereas alot has moved on, improved, opened eyes and there is JJ leading the modern day outlook. He sees the need of doing one huge step for mankind. Don't think the APL will fold up in the short term, its in their hands we can only watch and see how it can rebuild over the next couple of seasons or more, in the meantime we hope NST stands up in its infant stages and see what prevails. Sooner of later something is going to give, be it JJ, be it the APL, be it the fans. Yes we all dream of unity - this rests with the above in some shape or form. The APL Clubs here in Syd long ago we're trying to align with local Clubs not just NPL, my own Club for the Jnrs SFC would turn up to hold training evenings, players like Sasa Og etcetc. They have been there done that, member discounts through Club websites, most are aligned with close vicinity NPL's is obvious, they need to milk players not just from their academies. Hopefully one day a skint thread will be history - hopefully before you and I are you no where.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xGood to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 Conroy also ruled out any possibility of the APL seeking to merge again with Football Australia, as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. So you "have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football" but also think that if these clubs are involved the NSD will fail? Have I got that about right? Like I said you put words into my mouth. Re read it again mate. If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows. If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided. Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole. No words in your mouth Robbo, just trying to clarify your stance. In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) : "I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble." Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up) is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already. One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella... Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh? OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC. Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s. We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there. Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know. Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh? Your last sentence, " go back to supporting all of Football " like before. Maybe if you all did support football before, then there would have been no need for the A league ! So why the "need" for it now? To appease less than a thousand kids with cowbells?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xGood to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 Conroy also ruled out any possibility of the APL seeking to merge again with Football Australia, as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. So you "have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football" but also think that if these clubs are involved the NSD will fail? Have I got that about right? Like I said you put words into my mouth. Re read it again mate. If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows. If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided. Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole. No words in your mouth Robbo, just trying to clarify your stance. In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) : "I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble." Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up) is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already. One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella... Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh? OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC. Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s. We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there. Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know. Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh? Your last sentence, " go back to supporting all of Football " like before. Maybe if you all did support football before, then there would have been no need for the A league !
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xGood to see the A-League is closing the gap with the NST, and removing that argument from the Cartel fans Yes hopefully the a league can work otherwise we can kiss the NST and hopes of a professional league goodbye ??? What has one thing got to do with the other mate? FA is flush with cash and hasnt pissed away 140 million on an only fans website... thats the cartel owners :) The a league is professional so if it's not viable then who's going to start a second division. That's what I don't get like a league and npl are in the Australia cup so if nobody gives a shit about the a league the npl won't grow either. The FA is starting a Second Divison mate.... (second division only as long as the Aleague still exists that is) and by their own definition it will be professional to whatever degree Australian club football can sustain... Thats enough to grow the pie... for now. Thousands of clubs around Australia that are pushing for this thing as just that mate, clubs. Not for profit, sporting organisations with members who are also the "owners" if you will of these clubs... Every single dollar made through revenue or distribution from the broadcaster is used to fund the day to day operations of the club... its in their constitution and some of them have been operating just fine for a hundred years... A league isnt viable because they are trying to be something these "other" clubs are not... Aleague was set up by Lowy as a carbon copy of the MLS, you know, sell licenses at exorbitant prices to fund the investment of wealthy individuals looking to market their "product" to consumers in a geographically defined sales region... By their own admission, they are (or now apparently they are trying to change their tune) in the entertainment business and the actual football is packaged and presented as this bright shiny consumer product to be paid for by ..... customers(fans).... The NPL or the state league clubs below it dont NEED to grow mate, they dont have any shareholders to accomodate or need to show a ROI to anyone.. They just have to exisit... If joinging them all together helps them professionalise how they do things it is only to the benefit of football in this country. Ill give you an immediate example of this, this window opened up has seen NPL clubs that arent quite ready to make the jump to NST recruit players straight from Aleague clubs... Oakleigh and Heidelberg as two examples.... now they will be pushing , next season to be the big fish in NPL VIC, and rightly so... this will add to their ambition to get promoted into the national tier..... Any growth in attendance and fiance will come through success, through building better links with their community (both geographic and effnik) from better exposure to a broader audience, and this will lead to improvement in their admin, staff, football programs and on and on.... Shiny stadiums, corporate boxes and 100K per game rental agreements are great for a product you are trying to sell to a broadcaster but down in the weeds its all about the football. Thank you for the explanation that makes sense. are you saying the FA's nst will overtake the a league as the top pyramid? From my end all these fucking suits need to work together and just fix it For the FA it will be the first division mate.. APL is a totally different entity... I dont think the Aleague will disappear but I can imagine in the forseable future a few franchises may see the appeal of being in a national competition that doesn't demand of them that they have to play out of cavernous stadiums and rely on wealthy investors to stump up 5-6 million dollars a year with no return... time will tell. Ok interesting. I just want the sport to be fucking successful at a professional level and grassroots I don't even want to know any of these suits names. Like I said I love the Australia cup think everyone can agree hopefully we get a good one this season 🔥 Conroy also ruled out any possibility of the APL seeking to merge again with Football Australia, as has been rumoured, but said both organisations were in discussions about the possibility of shared services to further cut costs.“ I'm sure you seen I've mentioned many times the game will never be united and strong having 2 seperate parties fighting over the same patch. We got a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. Your/the APL will forever go through highs/lows, snakes and ladders. No different to its heydays but now at a lower base, whereas the game below will remain constant, consistant and survive week in week out year on decades on....... The Australia Cup is just a piece of the game that us invested supporters enjoy but its not the be all end all. Me wonders how many APL devotees even care go and support their local Club's Australia Cup games as a matter of interest and support of the game as a thought for the rare times I have checked in on that insidious reddit all most do is pay out on anything under the artificial world. IMO this is like people who are brand followers thats just my opinion. I don't see how having two parties is an issue, one in charge of Football & the in charge of the Top tier of football can work, this is how it works in England. Hopefully the 2 parties can work together & unite football & work under one Pyramid of pro/reg going forward. Brand supporters, what is that? I see on social media some PL team supporters including Liverpool supporters showing pictures on social media of fans clearly not from Liverpool or their local area & having a go that tickets are scarce at Anfield why do these 'Brand Supporter' get 'our' tickets? Are you a diehard or Brand supporter, the fact that you get up at ungodly hours to cheer on Klopp & the boys but you have never been to Liverpool apart from visiting Anfield & you don't drink the local ale & talk about days around the Mersey or the Merrill or talk with a scouser accent? I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble. As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK. The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level. Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible. Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations. We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture. Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in. Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours. Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club) We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct...... You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours. APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not. You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same. Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ? He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead. The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up. There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above. Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough. Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters. This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it. I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies. I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL. I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle. As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside. Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC. So you "have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football" but also think that if these clubs are involved the NSD will fail? Have I got that about right? Like I said you put words into my mouth. Re read it again mate. If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows. If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided. Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole. No words in your mouth Robbo, just trying to clarify your stance. In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) : "I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble." Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up) is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already. One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella... Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh? OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC. Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s. We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there. Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know. Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh?
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+xLynchy junior certainly has a neat turn of phrase :) as for less games... wow thats no good.... lol no chance. Still.. it sucks canberra isnt the 14th side in.
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+x+xSome clubs have been advised that they will only have 12 home games. It makes sense with a balanced home and away (except one home game will be the in the Unite round and not at home). so 12 home games, 13 away games and the Unite Round for most clubs. 13 home and 13 away for the club/city hosting Unite round. Arent their only going to be 13 clubs in the Aleague next year??? How does that work mate? 13 home and 13 away against 12 other clubs? Yep - you're right. I know we have 12 home games.so looks like 24 games across 26 rounds o
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This article tells us nothing more than what we already know but with more words
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