National second division format announce! Expressions of interest due within a month


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libelous - 17 Jul 2024 5:50 PM
Butler99 - 17 Jul 2024 5:22 PM

I don’t have a ‘beef’ with you personally, obviously our opinion of James Johnson differ and that’s fine. We will have to see what transpires in the next few days.

That's good. 
It's all purely my opinion on the information I've gathered. 
I still want a NST to be in place. I don't think it can be fully professional. Those expectations, along with other requirements blew clubs out of the water. That's where the compromise needed to be. 

And yes. Let's see what transpires. 
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Lupi33 - 17 Jul 2024 5:56 PM
Butler99 - 17 Jul 2024 5:45 PM

A champions league format is just as pointless as the knockout comp.  Its just for bragging rights, it doesn't achieve anything materially in improving the pathway infrastructure for Australian football.  Once again, a proper second tier would be great, I just don't see it happening in this country any time soon, not at a professional level. Not for several decades.

Would you accept a semi-pro second tier? 
Give clubs some minimum standards regarding contracting.
But let them determine how "professional" they can go. 
This is where the compromise on financials needed to occur in my opinion. 
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Butler99 - 17 Jul 2024 6:09 PM
Lupi33 - 17 Jul 2024 5:56 PM

Would you accept a semi-pro second tier? 
Give clubs some minimum standards regarding contracting.
But let them determine how "professional" they can go. 
This is where the compromise on financials needed to occur in my opinion. 

Yeah resistance to this is where im baffled

Id love the nst to pay efl wages and the a league to pay epl wages. But if there are clubs that can manage it at their own risk without raising junior costs, what is the harm in just letting do whatever standard they can manage. There is a potential upside of growth with no downside for the fa since they arent covering the cost?
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grazorblade - 17 Jul 2024 6:18 PM
Butler99 - 17 Jul 2024 6:09 PM

Yeah resistance to this is where im baffled


Is there much resistance, though? I see a lot of "it won't work", but can't say that I've seen "I hope it fails". One is just opinion, the other is bias.

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HappyGuus - 17 Jul 2024 6:30 PM
grazorblade - 17 Jul 2024 6:18 PM

Is there much resistance, though? I see a lot of "it won't work", but can't say that I've seen "I hope it fails". One is just opinion, the other is bias.

Been a few saying they are against it no matter what and a larger cohort saying a high bar or nothing (you can see the breakdown of opinion on the reddit poll)
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Butler99 - 17 Jul 2024 6:09 PM
Lupi33 - 17 Jul 2024 5:56 PM

Would you accept a semi-pro second tier? 
Give clubs some minimum standards regarding contracting.
But let them determine how "professional" they can go. 
This is where the compromise on financials needed to occur in my opinion. 

It was a model I favoured for a long time but now I think it would be a lot more difficult to be viable in 2025 than 1977.  There are a lot more expenses that exist with time and travel and there's less TV money available.  That model began failing in the late 90s/00s in any case.  eg a club like Adelaide City could no longer afford to participate in the NSL but remains in the NPLSA.
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grazorblade - 17 Jul 2024 6:38 PM
HappyGuus - 17 Jul 2024 6:30 PM

Been a few saying they are against it no matter what and a larger cohort saying a high bar or nothing (you can see the breakdown of opinion on the reddit poll)

Yeah at the time I only saw the one comment (now two) for option 1, although, it does have a lot of votes. One of the "option 1" comments said they would love it to work but can't see it happening... that's not resistance. And the rest of the 60+ comments are fine and just opinion.

Option 2 is for people who think the bar was already set with the eight clubs signing up, and lowering that bar is possibly headed for failure.

Option 3 is for people who could accept one or two clubs falling over for the greater good of getting the league going.

Option 4 is for people who have no idea about risk and how to run anything and would watch the whole thing go down in a blaze of glory. You'll find them in casinos.

Option 5 is for the brainstormers and spitballers haha.

It's a good poll with honest answers. It's just opinion, don't take it as "resistance". Real resistance would be APIA wanting to call it off for another 12 months!

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Monoethnic Social Club - 17 Jul 2024 4:32 PM
RoyalDave - 17 Jul 2024 3:45 PM

There is NO pro/rel to Aleague and never has it been on the table... Financial modelling and criteria where laid out in November last year so not sure what has changed since then economically in your view?

I know it hasn't been - I badly wrote my bit because a lot of people on here, in their excitement at the proposal of the NST, have been more or less demanding P/R to the A league in the not too distant future. And this is before it even got off the ground.
Point being there's no money...
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HappyGuus - 17 Jul 2024 11:48 PM
grazorblade - 17 Jul 2024 6:38 PM

Yeah at the time I only saw the one comment (now two) for option 1, although, it does have a lot of votes. One of the "option 1" comments said they would love it to work but can't see it happening... that's not resistance. And the rest of the 60+ comments are fine and just opinion.

Option 2 is for people who think the bar was already set with the eight clubs signing up, and lowering that bar is possibly headed for failure.

Option 3 is for people who could accept one or two clubs falling over for the greater good of getting the league going.

Option 4 is for people who have no idea about risk and how to run anything and would watch the whole thing go down in a blaze of glory. You'll find them in casinos.

Option 5 is for the brainstormers and spitballers haha.

It's a good poll with honest answers. It's just opinion, don't take it as "resistance". Real resistance would be APIA wanting to call it off for another 12 months!

As i said no one has been a jerk but there does seem to be resistance. Option 5 has a few that were really option 1 when explained. So that was non trivial resistance. I do see option 2 as resistance too since it is a bit weird to me to not want any flexibility at all

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RoyalDave - 18 Jul 2024 1:04 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 17 Jul 2024 4:32 PM

I know it hasn't been - I badly wrote my bit because a lot of people on here, in their excitement at the proposal of the NST, have been more or less demanding P/R to the A league in the not too distant future. And this is before it even got off the ground.
Point being there's no money...

I don't think many or any been demanding P/R to APL, infact far from it by the regular posters.
I sure don't want for it, most have been applauding starting NST and talk of in time setting up below NST so as P/R can evolve all in good time.
First and foremost need to see that NST gets going and see how it goes and tweak.
The APL being its own entity and all the contractual restraints and agreements involved has to run its own course and see where it ends up........



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grazorblade - 17 Jul 2024 5:49 PM

That sounds pretty positive

But why on earth would a tv deal prefer a cl model over a h and a model

Short answer is a CL would be able to be sold to a broadcaster at a far lower price as there would be far fewer games than a regular home/away league. Far easier sell.
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RoyalDave - 18 Jul 2024 1:04 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 17 Jul 2024 4:32 PM

I know it hasn't been - I badly wrote my bit because a lot of people on here, in their excitement at the proposal of the NST, have been more or less demanding P/R to the A league in the not too distant future. And this is before it even got off the ground.
Point being there's no money...

Point being, any money will dry up without P/R asap

We've already seen what a Closed Competition with nothing to play for has to resort to try and keep fans awake

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