NST Phase 3 - Assessment and recommendation


NST Phase 3 - Assessment and recommendation

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Monoethnic Social Club - 20 Aug 2024 3:19 PM
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Sorry mate I am not sure.... I dont know Nick personally but have seen him around the club... My understanding was that yesterdays meeting was only NST clubs and FA (of which AAFC is now at least provisionally on the board) ... could be wrong though. 

I think you’re right about the meeting being between the NST clubs and FA but the comments I quoted led me to believe a discussion was had about a range of issues. 
Maybe it’s intuition (ha ha) or just wishful thinking 🤔.

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Monoethnic Social Club - 20 Aug 2024 3:19 PM
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Sorry mate I am not sure.... I dont know Nick personally but have seen him around the club... My understanding was that yesterdays meeting was only NST clubs and FA (of which AAFC is now at least provisionally on the board) ... could be wrong though. 

what board are you talking about ?
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My concern is that this is too far down the road to turn back but out of desperation all we agree to some sort of champions league model so they can say something has been produced.

If we dont get a proper league it needs to be binned.
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numklpkgulftumch - 20 Aug 2024 3:00 PM
More sweet nothings

Sydney Olympic FC

NST FOUNDATION CLUBS MEET WITH FOOTBALL AUSTRALIA TO DISCUSS COMPETITION’S FUTURE

Following yesterday’s meeting between Football Australia and the National Second Tier (NST) Foundation Clubs, I am excited and pleased to announce that significant progress is being made to progress the competition and ensure a timely launch.

Discussions were incredibly productive, showcasing a strong commitment from all parties to collaborate effectively and build a sustainable and dynamic competition that will benefit the entire Australian football community.

The collective passion and shared vision among the clubs reaffirms Sydney Olympic FC’s dedication to this important initiative.

Thank you all for your patience and support throughout this process.

I look forward to sharing more details with you as soon as possible.

Damon Hanlin, Club President

nick galatas and this maybe be almost devoid of info, but they do seem happy which is information. If it was "champions league or nothing" or "no budging on entry requirements" I doubt we get statements like this

Vince R making fun of how they sound like chat gtp, but a league has been pretty similar. 
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numklpkgulftumch - 20 Aug 2024 3:51 PM
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what board are you talking about ?

Correct me if I'm wrong mono, but he is referring to the AAFC being a qualifying member on the pathway to provisional member. (They might be a provisional member now, and the site hasn't been updated)

From the Football Australia website:
Football Australia also has the following qualifying and provisional members who are on the path to becoming a full member:
Qualifying Members

  1. Association of Australian Football Clubs Ltd
  2. Newcastle Jets Football Club Pty Limited
Provisional Members
  1. Football Coaches Australia Incorporated
  2. WMG Football Club Ltd t/a Western United FC
  3. MSW No.1 Pty Limited t/a Macarthur FC


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grazorblade - 20 Aug 2024 4:09 PM
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nick galatas and this maybe be almost devoid of info, but they do seem happy which is information. If it was "champions league or nothing" or "no budging on entry requirements" I doubt we get statements like this

Vince R making fun of how they sound like chat gtp, but a league has been pretty similar. 

Yep, this is better than what we expected. Nick has publicly stated the Championship model is not what the 8 clubs signed up for. There seems to be an alignment on the direction (hopefully h&a) just need to do more work to get the $$$ to stack up… easy for us to take pot shots from afar without knowing the details however my reading of the play is that everyone is invested to make it nst h&a work, just need corporate backing or more teams….





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Haralambos - 20 Aug 2024 5:38 PM
grazorblade - 20 Aug 2024 4:09 PM

Yep, this is better than what we expected. Nick has publicly stated the Championship model is not what the 8 clubs signed up for. There seems to be an alignment on the direction (hopefully h&a) just need to do more work to get the $$$ to stack up… easy for us to take pot shots from afar without knowing the details however my reading of the play is that everyone is invested to make it nst h&a work, just need corporate backing or more teams….





we also don't know what is happening in the board room. Joe Lewis' article cited apl needing cash as an issue and the CL model was floated after APIA had wobbles and the APL distribution was cut. Diplomatic advocacy, apathy, soft sabotage are all equally likely in my eyes with our lack of info
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grazorblade - 20 Aug 2024 5:44 PM
Haralambos - 20 Aug 2024 5:38 PM

we also don't know what is happening in the board room. Joe Lewis' article cited apl needing cash as an issue and the CL model was floated after APIA had wobbles and the APL distribution was cut. Diplomatic advocacy, apathy, soft sabotage are all equally likely in my eyes with our lack of info

Where do I find Joe Lewis’s article?
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And Graz, I think we have learnt Rugari isn’t worth any cred so wouldn’t bother reading what he says.

Love Football

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libelous - 20 Aug 2024 6:18 PM
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Where do I find Joe Lewis’s article?

Got his name wrong

https://www.espn.com.au/football/story/_/id/40593508/tensions-rise-second-division-potential-champions-league-switch
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grazorblade - 20 Aug 2024 6:42 PM
libelous - 20 Aug 2024 6:18 PM

Got his name wrong

https://www.espn.com.au/football/story/_/id/40593508/tensions-rise-second-division-potential-champions-league-switch

Okay thanks, I did read that article but I thought that the one you mentioned was something I had missed.
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LFC. - 20 Aug 2024 6:21 PM
And Graz, I think we have learnt Rugari isn’t worth any cred so wouldn’t bother reading what he says.

I'm glad there is any football media at all, even if he is a bit of a sean hannity lately
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yes agree we need more football media out there but he's only looking out for one league and debunks what could or more so should happen for the game.
Journo's and the few lacking regards to our code should at least be more open and show support for anything to advance our game/systems.


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someguyjc - 20 Aug 2024 4:12 PM
numklpkgulftumch - 20 Aug 2024 3:51 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong mono, but he is referring to the AAFC being a qualifying member on the pathway to provisional member. (They might be a provisional member now, and the site hasn't been updated)

From the Football Australia website:
Football Australia also has the following qualifying and provisional members who are on the path to becoming a full member:
Qualifying Members

  1. Association of Australian Football Clubs Ltd
  2. Newcastle Jets Football Club Pty Limited
Provisional Members
  1. Football Coaches Australia Incorporated
  2. WMG Football Club Ltd t/a Western United FC
  3. MSW No.1 Pty Limited t/a Macarthur FC


Thanks jc, yeah I believe AAFC has been granted observer status now, not sure if they have a legitimate vote yet.
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grazorblade - 20 Aug 2024 8:34 PM
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I'm glad there is any football media at all, even if he is a bit of a sean hannity lately

He's too busy trying to flog his Ange Postecoglou book, while spending the better part of the last 5-6 years slagging off the club he is writing about... (I assume he makes some mention of the first 30 odd years of Anges life in a biography?  I would never buy anything produced by that fraud).

In a way I dont blame him selling out, the APl gives him access to the message they want to push ut out so he can't be seen to bite the hand that feeds him ... We all saw what happened to old mate Janakan and his fake slavic ex NSL financial wizard... hahahahahahahah 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 21 Aug 2024 10:10 AM
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Thanks jc, yeah I believe AAFC has been granted observer status now, not sure if they have a legitimate vote yet.

Even as observer is a positive for our game.
This transparency can hold people accountable even without voting shenanigans.
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southmelb - 20 Aug 2024 4:09 PM
My concern is that this is too far down the road to turn back but out of desperation all we agree to some sort of champions league model so they can say something has been produced.

If we dont get a proper league it needs to be binned.

Have they ever stated WTF a CL model is? I mean if its juts a re-hash of the old NPL Australian finals series then no need for financial guarantees, club licensing agreements and the like, its first past the post gets to compete in an end of season comp.... 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 21 Aug 2024 10:10 AM

Thanks jc, yeah I believe AAFC has been granted observer status now, not sure if they have a legitimate vote yet.

My understanding is only full members have voting privileges. 
Not sure how it works with the new members. I'm guessing they would need to expand the voting pool.
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Love this post by a guy on a different site...sorta puts many of my thoughts in a single paragraph...

Australian football just doesn’t know what kind of sporting mentality they want to adopt, they’re caught in their own AFL/NRL way or the American Franchise way or the European Football meritocracy way and this is reflected in their fanbase, look at the comments on this website for evidence. Until they sort out this dichotomy of what football in Australia should be, then I fear you’ll be having these kinds of debates about governance, rather than what’s happening on the pitch.

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Monoethnic Social Club - 21 Aug 2024 10:17 AM
grazorblade - 20 Aug 2024 8:34 PM

He's too busy trying to flog his Ange Postecoglou book, while spending the better part of the last 5-6 years slagging off the club he is writing about... (I assume he makes some mention of the first 30 odd years of Anges life in a biography?  I would never buy anything produced by that fraud).

In a way I dont blame him selling out, the APl gives him access to the message they want to push ut out so he can't be seen to bite the hand that feeds him ... We all saw what happened to old mate Janakan and his fake slavic ex NSL financial wizard... hahahahahahahah 

Yeah, i was thinking the same, banging the club yet grabs an opportunity to cash in from one of its most famous.... Puzzling... 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 21 Aug 2024 10:21 AM
southmelb - 20 Aug 2024 4:09 PM

Have they ever stated WTF a CL model is? I mean if its juts a re-hash of the old NPL Australian finals series then no need for financial guarantees, club licensing agreements and the like, its first past the post gets to compete in an end of season comp.... 

Not to my knowledge.
If it's just a cup comp with the foundation members, then that's kinda dumb and doesn't make much sense.
If it's a cup comp with the top level NPL winners, then if it was to run this year then Preston Lions would miss out as they are not a top level NPL team.
If it's the latter, then does all the work/money the foundation clubs have put in just get binned?

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Haralambos - 21 Aug 2024 10:23 AM
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Yeah, i was thinking the same, banging the club yet grabs an opportunity to cash in from one of its most famous.... Puzzling... 

No different than many others in the media.... any media really... He writes what his handlers tell him too and what his audience wants to read... 

He will be the first to wear an Marconi or APIA jersey in the launch party photo of the NST ..... and not see the irony in it either..... 
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someguyjc - 21 Aug 2024 10:30 AM
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Not to my knowledge.
If it's just a cup comp with the foundation members, then that's kinda dumb and doesn't make much sense.
If it's a cup comp with the top level NPL winners, then if it was to run this year then Preston Lions would miss out as they are not a top level NPL team.
If it's the latter, then does all the work/money the foundation clubs have put in just get binned?

EXACTLY.. SMFC would be the ONLY NST foundation club that would play in it this year :P
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Love this post by a guy on a different site...sorta puts many of my thoughts in a single paragraph...

Australian football just doesn’t know what kind of sporting mentality they want to adopt, they’re caught in their own AFL/NRL way or the American Franchise way or the European Football meritocracy way and this is reflected in their fanbase, look at the comments on this website for evidence. Until they sort out this dichotomy of what football in Australia should be, then I fear you’ll be having these kinds of debates about governance, rather than what’s happening on the pitch.

100000% astute observation Mid... Ive asked you this before too,

"WHAT DO WE SEE AS SUCCESS?"
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Monoethnic Social Club - 21 Aug 2024 10:10 AM
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Thanks jc, yeah I believe AAFC has been granted observer status now, not sure if they have a legitimate vote yet.

No idea what observer status is 

Takes minimum 4 years to get to Voting status

Perth will be back at the start of the Queue this Novembers AGM.  Not sure about Newcastle
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We all saw what happened to old mate Janakan and his fake slavic ex NSL financial wizard... hahahahahahahah 

What on earth is this about? I have to hear about this one haha! I'm here for storytime with Mono 🤓

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What on earth is this about? I have to hear about this one haha! I'm here for storytime with Mono 🤓

https://forum.insidesport.com.au/2970986/JAccuse-Janakan-Seemampillai#bm2975332

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Monoethnic Social Club - 21 Aug 2024 10:21 AM
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Have they ever stated WTF a CL model is? I mean if its juts a re-hash of the old NPL Australian finals series then no need for financial guarantees, club licensing agreements and the like, its first past the post gets to compete in an end of season comp.... 

If the NST league gets the green light, I wouldn't be surprised if we still see a CL but for the 3rd tier (what would be 8/9 NPL feds). Whether it's one or two teams from each, or maybe a number of slots via ranking/coefficients in groups, the idea would be for the best NPL clubs to connect and improve standards to get closer and ready for NST entry. Could even be used for promotion to NST when that becomes available. The group format would be shorter and cheaper and can run during their season.

And what I'd like to see for NST and A-League is a league cup, groups then knockout format. Having 16 teams from each league would be perfect, ends up 8 groups of 4.

I'm dreaming again, aren't I?

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Monoethnic Social Club - 21 Aug 2024 10:21 AM

If the NST league gets the green light, I wouldn't be surprised if we still see a CL but for the 3rd tier (what would be 8/9 NPL feds). Whether it's one or two teams from each, or maybe a number of slots via ranking/coefficients in groups, the idea would be for the best NPL clubs to connect and improve standards to get closer and ready for NST entry. Could even be used for promotion to NST when that becomes available. The group format would be shorter and cheaper and can run during their season.

And what I'd like to see for NST and A-League is a league cup, groups then knockout format. Having 16 teams from each league would be perfect, ends up 8 groups of 4.

I'm dreaming again, aren't I?

You are mate, but is a good dream :)


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numklpkgulftumch - 21 Aug 2024 10:59 AM
HappyGuus - 21 Aug 2024 10:54 AM

https://forum.insidesport.com.au/2970986/JAccuse-Janakan-Seemampillai#bm2975332

Guus,

this thread is even better, it has the original article too.. Enjoy mate.... 

https://forum.insidesport.com.au/2970062/Axe-8216terrible8217-ALeague-2nd-division-plans-says-former-NSL-star-turned-economist-Comments

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