Here you go, TheKAT, PAOKTZI etc.

Talk about your shitty ethnic clubs here and stay out of the section where we discuss real clubs.

Maybe you can even dream your unattainable dreams of being part of the A-League.

Cheers.

you are unaustralian!!!!!!!!!!!!

you are a troll and a manipulator of fact in an attempt to hoodwink the rest of the non Olympic supporting Universe.

I also doubt you are old enough to have attended any NSL matches.

I love the constant cycle the ethnic supports have of "bash A-League for being 10 times worse than the NSL" then "whine about being left out" over and fucking over.

Make up your mind.

Is this thread necessary? seriously on both sides of the coin some of you are morons, thank god we still have afl footy in this country.

hahaha

Every Queenslander has one annoying and delusional New South Whales supporter mate that he has to put up with, A-league fans have NSL football extreemists they have to deal with...

how many games has your franchise played :oops: :oops: :oops:

This is from one of our Olympic lads FB page:

R.E AEK Training @ Belmore "WELL ALL MUST GO THIS GUYS, WE WANT A-LEAGUE WE NEED TO SHOW IT TO PEOPLE"

Then this "fuck the gay league is the worst comp going around the NSWPL is heaps better to watch"

"Sydney FC versus Central Coast Mariners crowd 1,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FARK YOUR A-LEAGUE CANTS to those 10-15 greeks who want to pretend to support the jews fark you to"

Hmmmm seems like a little bit of a contradiction Alex.......need to pick a viewpoint and stick to it. Least you can manage to maintain your commitment to hating Jews.

It's all so tedious and circuitous.

I don't understand it at all. I mean I make the same thread over and over with slight variations, and the same posts over and over with slight variations, and the same phrases over and over with slight variations, but not on exactly the same topic.

Soccer's Debt to New Australians - 1954
Tuesday, 29 July 2008 22:08
SPORTING LIFE - JUNE 1954

Migration has given Australian Soccer its greatest boom in the history of the sport. No longer is this, the national game of most countries, a 'paddock pastime' in the land of rugby and Australian Rules.

It has progressed so much in the past seven years, with the influx of new Australians into the Commonwealth, that dyed-in-the-wool rules and Rugby administrators are becoming worried.

With the advent of enclosed grounds in most captials the drawing power of the sport has increased. As the crowds get bigger, finances of the clubs becomes healthier and the standard of the game improves.

Seven years ago, the standard of soccer in Australia, with the possible exception of New South Wales, was lamentably low. The industrial areas around Newcastle and the South Coast were always strong, again with a large active following of migrant, mostly British and Irish, population.

While NSW has also improved in the past few years - it recently won the Interstate Championship Trophy in Adelaide - it is in the other States that the improvement has been most marked. And it is the new settlers that have caused the improvement. It is not their own playing ability which has given the boost to the game so much but the tactics they have taught the older Australians.

The attendance figures at Soccer matches in NSW tell the story of increased interest in the sport in a nutshell. In 1952 the aggregate attendances for club matches was 132,306 according to the president of the association, Mr. G. L. Smith. In 1953 the attendance for club matches was 234,782 - an increase of 102,476 persons. And what is more the figures for 1954 already show that record will be substantially broken again.

The increase in the following in NSW is no different from that of other States. Infact, in some cases the calculated increase is higher.

In Victoria the national clubs such as Juventus, J.U.S.T., Hakoah, Polonia, George Cross and Maccabi have lifted the sport out of the doldrums.

The same clubs function in most other States as well.


Only two years ago, there were no enclosed grounds for Soccer in Victoria, with the exception of Olympic Park. But although Olympic Park has been lost temporarily for Olympic Games reconstruction, Soccer now boasts of five enclosed grounds with overworked turnstiles.

And they are not pokey grounds. The Italian team Juventus under the managership of ex-Italian Olympic cycling star and now successful Mel- bourne businessman, Nino Borsari, has its headquarters at the Melbourne Showground.

By next season, every first division club in Victoria will have an enclosed home ground.

Money is no object to the sport. Early this season the Prahran Club offered the local council £800 rental for Toorak Park, the headquarters of the Prahran Association Australian Rules team.

The council, pro Australian Rules in the majority, refused the offer to the anger of the local ratepayers' association. What upset the ratepayers was that the offer was just £775 more than the rental paid by the Australian Rules Club.

The Brighton City Council was not going to be placed in the same position with its ratepayers, when the Brighton Soccer Club made them an offer of £300 for the use of Elsternwick Park on alternate Saturdays to the Brighton Association Australian Rules team.

The council demanded £600, hoping to frighten off the club. The money was handed over on the spot and another stadium came into the grip of Soccer.

The migrant Soccer player is not necessarily a recruit for his own rational team. In fact, most of them are keen to play with other teams and there is not a club which has not got several European stars in its eleven.

Western Australia reports its best season ever, and attributes the im- provement in the standard of play to migrants from Soccer-playing countries and coaching. More people watched Soccer last season than ever before in the history of the W A Association. Premiers in Western Australia last season was the Italian Azzurri team, led by Guiseppe Scarparolna, with a record of 26 matches for 0 defeats.

In Western Australia, as in other States, the game is also catching on in the country. Wherever there is an influx of migrants into a particular district, it is not long before clubs and :fistrict associations spring up. There are seven teams playing in the Latrobe Valley Association in Victoria, and in a team of 11 at Sale there are 10 different nationalities. There are also three other country associations in Victoria.

The Latrobe Valley is the scene of huge new electrical undertaking schemes Government sponsored with migrant labor . The influence of the migrants on Australian Soccer can be seen in some of the State teams at the recent Australian carnival in Adelaide.


South Australia: C. Rittosa, L. Karsteds, S. Gennari, M. O'Malley, K. Lange L. Szuchanek, M. Busidoni, N. Scalamera, R. Lee, J. Freckleton, A. Kitas, A. Beattie, L. Toth, J. Keleman, Z. Kracmera, D. Pozza, G. Giglio, A. Godrik.

Western Australia: R. Oswald, J. Bevridge. C. Malec, C. Purser, M. Lucchesi R. Adair, W. Adair, V. Coccia. M. Casotti, F. Franchi, G. Nobbs. D. di-Loddo, D. McArdle. Z. Szymanski, J. Duggan, J. Masiero.

Victoria: S. Czauderna (pictured right), T. Jack, P. Clarke, B. Zablocki, S. Thomas, J. Lachmann, P. Schipper- heyn, J. Cottesman, R. Wemyss, L. Stott, R. Walker, A. Drennan, N. Garncarczylk, R. McKenzie. H. Sutherland, M. Vesovic, R. Strah ran.

The percentage of migrants in the NSW, Queensland and Tasmanian teams was not so great. Both States, with their older established clubs, have not been forced to draw on the new talent, but it will not be long before those new names will appear in carnival sides.

With the influx of new blood, Australian Soccer is reaching the standard, where it will be able to take its place in international competition without embarrassment. Several recent touring sides to visit Australia have noticed the marked improvement in standard of play and some Australians have been signed for leading football association clubs in England.

The secretary of the British Football Association, Mr. S. F. Rous, is talking in terms of regular matches between England and Australia. The fact that Australian Soccer bodies are not afraid to spend money to get new blood, especially coaches from overseas, will be a big factor in the future of Soccer in this country.

It was only last year that the Illawarra Leagues' Club cabled an offer of a £5000 sterling signing on fee. £500 a year for five years, plus a job at £20 a week to English Soccer idol, Stanley Matthews. Although Matthews declined the offer, it shows that there are businessmen in Australia willing to keep with the growing pace of Soccer in Australia. (It should also be noted that Victorian club Moreland, during the 1958 tour of Blackpool, reached a verbal agreement with Matthews to return to coach the team. Ed)

Victoria had better success. Early in May, Len Young, one of the seven qualified Football Association A grade coaches in England, arrived in Melbourne to coach for five years. The terms of his appointment were a house, fares to and from Australia for his wife and three children, plus a salary of £1250 a year.

With Australia's immigration policy still in full swing, new recruits are being added to Australian Soccer ranks and the game cannot help going ahead.

Whether it will be at the expense of other winter sports being played in Australia, yet remains to be seen. But there is one thing certain. If any sport is going to suffer it won't be Soccer.

How times change.

But what a rich, vibrant and colourful history our game has in this country.

We should celebrate the past, present and future.

Agreed completely.

My comment was in regard to the fact that an article written in traditionally politically incorrect times when a spade really did get called a spade, was so openly positive about the effect of immigrants on the Aussie sporting landscape. No feeling of 'their' competition being threatened, or of 'ethnics' taking over, just a plain and simple - thank God these people are around.

As I say, compare that to the press in the 80s, 90's and 00's, and you see how times have changed. Everything is a threat now.

Shitty clubs?

Show some repect you cunt.

"these Shitty Ethnic Clubs" have done more for soccer in australia then your plastic franchise rabble...& they still are the backbone of soccer in australia

these ethnic football clubs, are the real football clubs...a franchise isnt considered a real club...:oops:

you a footballing fan after 2005? seems so. :oops:

Yes, shitty clubs. Can you read English?

I'm not sure who's in the top Australian league, can you remind me?

I was not supportive of football in Australia (outside the Socceroos) pre-2005, because ethnic clubs like yours alienated football fans like me and made it impossible to go to games without feeling intimidated and fearful.

And that same culture pervades even now, which is why there's such pitiful attendances and such low interest in your pissant little clubs.

Enjoy!

Have a cry baby.

It did make for an enjoyable atmosphere to play in though!

When you're getting frustrated by people starting threads you don't like, leading to arguments you don't like, going and started a similar thread and entering into the inevitable argument that follows is a little... Erm... Dumb. Wouldn't you say?

What can I say? I've been bored today. ;)

I was a loose football fan until 2005, always "followed" Marconi as I did EPL, but never was connected with one. Now I go for, and attend, Marconi AND Mariners games.

Can't we all just get along?

Don't be stupid, football would be even more boring if not for the petty arguments, stupid comments and extreme opinions people make. :lol:

Elliot Gould wouldn't get bored. You should try to be more like him.

So your main arguement here is because you didnt fit in...? complex or what...:lol:

feeling intimidated and fearful, of what a few thousand ethnics? this is gold, cant make this shit up :lol:

as for my pissant little club its been around for over 50 years, & 50 years to come (maybe you should take a look at your roster and see where most of your players come from)your franchise is barely 6 years old, ohh and we never had the FFA to bail us out of trouble, but i guess thats the benefit of being a franchise & not a real club...

Football Fan since 05...
:lol:

There's a reason why mono-ethnic clubs don't have broad-based appeal, and that's because they're mono-ethnic.

I'm not Croatian, therefore I would not be welcome at your club. I'm not Greek, so I wouldn't be welcome at Olympic. Unfortunately, that's the way you set your clubs up, in a racist, elitist way which excluded the majority of football fans. The amount of violence which surrounded the NSL was very real and it did involve a lot of conflict transference - lots of tension between ethnic groups. It was like a war zone every match day.

If I wanted to enter a war zone, I'd go to Afghanistan. If I want to watch football, I'm going to go support my A-League club.

Perhaps if you weren't such a closed-minded c**t you'd be able to appreciate this - but clearly, you're just transferring your Balkan conflict over here in miniature and pretending I'm a Bosniak or Serb.

The point is how would the croatians like a serbian ethnic club in there league? i mean really its disgraceful the god damn federal goverment should of stepped in lol.

these clubs shouldnt even be allowed in state league imo or any for that matter.

ofcourse though if they change there ethnic ties(like there names and logos) then they can stay and even join the a league.

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Usually you're a good bloke Scouse but some of this shit is so far wide of the mark. As for not being welcome, I can't speak for other clubs but you would be welcome at United. As far as I know no club actively turns away fans who aren't a certain ethnicity, they'd be stupid if they did, and I know United don't do this. The clubs were set up in the 50's as social clubs for immigrants from Europe, somewhere for them to meet up with people from back home and to feel connected to something. Those social clubs eventually grew beyond what most of them ever would have dreamed of. The amount of violence that surrounded the NSL was a whole lot less than was portrayed. There was not a whole lot more violence around the NSL than there is today, it's just back then football was seen as a sport just for wogs and they were portrayed as hooligans who couldn't go to a football game without fighting when that is just not true. Even now in the NSWPL there is no violence, no war zone as you described.

19-SU-58's main gripe here is with you insulting these clubs that helped make Australian football what it is today. People complain when people insult A-League clubs but it's a two street. There is shit being flung both ways and I'm fucking sick of it, it's fucking pathetic.

Um we do have a Serbian Club in our league#-o

So where would you propose these clubs go then, if not in the state league.

The only 2 that still have ethnic ties in their name are Marconi and Sydney Olympic.

Names with ethnic ties is one thing, but supporters that chant in any other language that is not English is another. The sooner these clubs assimilate the better for Australian football.

so its a serbian club based in croatia? not a serbian club based in serbia?

and these clubs have nowhere to go unless they can come up with a proper bid and from memory dont south melbourne have the greek stripes?the melbourne knights still have crotian colours.and most of its players are crotian.how does this make football in australia move forward?

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Most of these clubs have given up on trying to get into the A-League and are perfectly content with playing State league. SMFC iirc are the only ones who would try to, most of the clubs didn't bother trying after the requirements for entry were announced just before the A-League started.

Knights wear red shirts, white shorts and blue socks as do United, the only Croatian thing about it is the colour's red white and blue. Does this mean Gold Coast are a Brazilian club because they were Yellow and Blue or that Brisbane are a Dutch club.

As for Croatian players. There is a massive difference between having players that are Croatian and players that are Australian with Croatian heritage and United and Knights both have more of the latter. You make it out as if these clubs only sign players who are Croatian, which couldn't be further from the truth.

The difference between gold coast and knights is that the knights wear red white and blue for crotia.

and according to wikipedia that is the truth.(melbourne knights)

They have been wearing it for 50 odd years without any problems now suddenly the colours they wear are a problem. I could understand it if they were wearing the checks like the Croatian national team jersey but it's just a colour scheme.

It's pretty understandable that them and United would wear that colour scheme since they were set up as Croatian social clubs so it makes sense that they would wear those colours. Obviously they've grown from that and I see no reason why they should change it, they've worn it for 50 years and will continue to wear it for another 50 years. Like I said if they were wearing the checks then I could understand changing it but them wearing a combination of red white and blue isn't hurting anyone.

This is true, however walk into Bonnyrigg sports club (which im guessing you never would :P) and you're greeted with a giant poster of "AVALA FC"

Even at the Blacktown V Sydney United semi last weekend, the United supporters were chanting "Sydney Croatia" and even spoke in that language.

One question I want to ask is how would Rovers go in uniting these teams? Marconi, Olympic, United, Bonnyrigg, Bankstown etc. I guess it'll be known next season.

Well that posters probably still from when they were Avala, and couldn't afford to replace it:lol:

Most of them chant Sydney Croatia because they've been brought up calling the club Sydney Croatia and many still recognise it as Sydney Croatia not Sydney United, and most of them speak Croatian because again that's how they were brought up.

As for Rovers trying to unite these fans, It's been suggested a few times but creating partnerships with these clubs, defined pathways for players to follow to the A-League. Get training clinics going at all of them not just one. Next pre-season play a whole host of pre-season friendlies against these teams and let the State League clubs keep most of the gate proceeds. Have fan days and let the kids meet who will hopefully become their heroes. A massive one is getting out to schools. The schools in Western Sydney especially in the Farifield-Liverpool area have produced more socceroos than anywhere and will continue to do, we need to feed off that, schools like Fairfield Pats, Westfields and Bossley Park High have the potential to become a major part of Rovers future.

The biggest one imo is offering tickets at discounted prices to people who are members of these State League clubs. Make them feel welcome. Say ' We don't want you to stop supporting your club, just come support us in the summer'.

That's what I'd do at least.

Whats the matter with you, trying to use commonsense please.

Sydneycroatia, I think you are missing the point. Yes, Sydney United fans chant "Sydney Croatia" and speak in Croatian because that is how they were brought up, but do you not realise that this alienates anyone that does not speak Croatian??
I used to go to a few Olympic games every season. Not because I am of Greek heritage, but because they played good football and were devloping the likes of Emmo and Nick Carle at the time. I would not go to any game thet there was a chance of the rivalries extending off the pitch. But the games I did go to, I was stared at as I would walk in with my family. The stands were filled with old Greek men, making no attempt to integrate into Australia, because they were more comfortable in their Greek surroundings. One time, going to buy some food, they had to go and get someone that could understand english!! How is this type of atmosphere going to attract non-greeks to the club en-mass?? I went to Sydney United and Marconi games as well, to find pretty well the same atmosphere, and I did not feel welcome.
Out of all the NSL games I attended, I felt the most welcome at Parramatta Power games. Why is this?? No ethnic affiliation meant a broad spectrum of supporters.

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do i have to start pulling out youtube videos and newspaper links to violence in the A-league, i really can't be bothered, but I will do it, lol:-$



And this is exactly why you're a no body in football. Clubs like Bankstown Lions and Bonnyrigg White Eagles, have ALWAYS been in the State League, and didn't even participate in the NSL, and you expect them to be thrown out cause you're a racist fuck?



Precisely correct, the violence is not much different as well. Especially in the last 10 years of the NSL, it what probably even better then what it is now.



And even so, Olympic changed it's Club name, even before it became (racially) compulsory.



And how exactly does it make it better if 20-30 people start chanting in English, rather then in Cro/Greek? How does it improve Australian football? I can think of MANY more ways that Australian football can improved, like better funding for grass root football, clinics, overhauls of State League hierarchy, BUT NO! THE ANSWER TO IMPROVE AUSTRALIAN FOOTBALL, IS TO GET 20 CROATS IN MELBOURNE, 20 CROATS IN SYDNEY, AND 20 GREEKS IN SYDNEY TO CHANT IN ENGLISH :oops: ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) you are THE biggest moron I have ever come across in a forum.



maybe some of these Clubs are content with where they are. Bonnyrigg had a chance to join the NSL, and would have been one of the biggest Clubs in it, but declined to do so. So i really dont see what your point is?



So you expect a Club to throw away of 50 years of History and Culture to meet your racist demands? Once again, this is why you are a no body in Australian football.



And when you also walk in the Bonnyrigg Sports Club, directly to the left is a Chinese restautant ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) LOL!

Get over it, they can chant Sydney Croatia, and we can chant Pan-Ellinio - it is the old name to our Clubs, football Clubs all over Europe in there chants often use previous names of the Club, and I can only see this being an issue for you if you're a racist, which I would have MORE respect to you, if you just openly admitted you're a racist.



I very much highly doubt that people were staring at you as you walked in :roll:

Without wanting to over-simplify the issue - can I just say "absolute bollocks, mate".

I am English. Born and raised in the north-east, didn't arrive in Australia til I was 29. The closest I've been to visiting Greece was a two hour layover at Athens airport. I can't speak a single word of Greek. Yet, strangely, I've never had a single problem with attending South Melbourne games. I've never been so much as looked at sideways. I never felt threatened at an NSL or a State League match.

I suspect that, deep down, the reason I don't have a problem whilst those who grew up here do (perhaps), is that the first time I went along to South Melbourne I honestly had no idea that it was a 'Greek' club, so I went with no pre-conceptions, no fears, etc. So when I got there I was relaxed, looking forward to a game. By the time I figured out what was going on I was already in the middle of it, and hadn't been threatened, intimidated or even ignored.

Your argument that non-Greeks are not welcome at traditionally Greek clubs, etc., is complete bullshit. An easy and convenient way out.

Live and let live, mate.

May I ask what year that was Ben? Who was playing? Your first impression of Australian football? The supporters?

So if I was Macedonian, or Turkish, or Croat, I'd have no problems being a SMFC member?

I think not.

I want my club to be a big umbrella that excludes nobody - and that just didn't happen in the NSL.

What past do Greeks and Croats have to hate each other?

Sydney Olympic have had Maso and Turkish players playing for them.

Last season Aytec Genk was our coach, and Ozbey was our player.

I am fairly certain South Melb have had a Maso or a Turkish Captain(!!!)

so quit with your bullshit. You clearly have no idea, yeah?

your missing my point..:oops:

i have no respect for people that would dish out on my club when they have done so much for soccer in this country, and yes United is up there in terms of that...

These clubs were of "ethnic background" but over my time i meet alot of Australians and Maltese people who loved our club...so the only closed minded C**T would be you...

there were many "anglo saxon" teams in the NSL, why didnt you choose to support any of them?

can we not get into that conversation...

they usually dodge the question or play the card they were 'scared' of ethnic teams.

I can tell you why...it because the NSL was inbred, violent, dangerous, it was all about supporting the motherland, and ethnic violence, and flares and riots and was dangerous for normal everyday Aussies to go anywhere near those ethnic enclaves with their wogs and poofters....

Now of course most of that is baloney...but perceptions are hard to change and the reality is to many Aussies the NSL was seen as a closed shop where we weren't welcome...we are experiencing the same problems to a lesser degree with the A-League now.

A-League supporters and NSL/State League club supporters have more in common than we realise...many of just don't know it.

With that statement, you have just put your argument back quite a way. Why should anyone be limited to the choice of club they support purely on ethnicity?? That point of view is the whole point of the argument against ethnically aligned clubs.
At the "anglo saxon" teams, I sat between and amongst people of many different ethnicities, but becasue the club itself had not aligned with anyone, everyone was accepted.

I very much highly doubt that people were staring at you as you walked in :roll: [/quote]



Oh, so you were there.....??? I am a very pale skinned red head, and I stick out a mile amongst those of mediteranean decent. So yes, I got stared at every single time.

inbred?:oops:

yes the NSL had its moments of violence, but there is violence in the A-league today, only a deluded fan would say otherwise, ive noticed alot of these new born fans like to sweep the violence under the rug...

my question was to scouse, i stated that i meet alot of aussie and maltese etc of Sydney United Fans along the years...now scouse said he isnt cro, greek etc and called us pissant clubs...now id say he is the narrow minded C**T...

Thats why i asked the question if you felt threatened by these "ethnic background" clubs then why didnt you go to an ang sloaxon aussie team, simple question really.....

Lets be honest if your very pale with red hair your probably going to get stared at wherever you go..

It was late in 2000, and I'm pretty sure it was against your boys. Full stadium and a cracking atmosphere. There was a nasty flavour in the air, but no worse than I'd felt when at Leeds, West Ham or Millwall, or in a S'land-Newcastle derby match.

The standard of football wasn't the best, but it wasn't awful either. A lot like watching a game in the old English 3rd division, I'd say.

Looking back on that atmosphere, it's funny that people jump on the ethnic thing, because this was Greek vs Greek according to the mono-ethnic theories, yet there was no love lost. It seems that (perhaps) it's rivalry rather than ethnicity that is the key to problems.

Why is the thread in grass roots the problem is with the clubs in the national comp atm.

Please move to general thread

You Joffa are bad for the game, you are a racist pig, who comes on here and continues to put shit on the mother clubs of australian football, you are a disgrace to the game.

There is more violence in the a-league then the NSL had

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I take it you didn't read my post you ignoramus!

Hey moron 2 of our last 3 captains are players with Turkish backgrounds. Their families are often seen in the crowd. Tansel Baser and our current captain Ramazan Tavsancioglu are easily 2 of the most popular players to have ever pulled on a South shirt.
I can't think of any player from any type of 'nationality or background' that hasn't played for South over the years.
Couldn't give a stuff who wants to be a member, everyone's cash is welcome.

You're the ignorant moron with a problem. Full of fear, paranoia, beleiving all the ethnic violence/tension bullshit that is used by todays new order to discredit the traditional clubs in order to make their 'investments' and role in the game somewhat more appealing.

Amazing how the supporters of these mono-ethnic clubs feel the need to aggressively defend their borders.

Hmmmmm.....

Coming from the fucktard who continually posts racist propoganda on both this forum and his facebook page. If only they'd legalize involuntary euthanasia, you'd be a prime candidate.

And the simple answer to your simple question is...... Why should he have to??

do i have to start pulling out youtube videos and newspaper links to violence in the A-league, i really can't be bothered, but I will do it, lol:-$



And this is exactly why you're a no body in football. Clubs like Bankstown Lions and Bonnyrigg White Eagles, have ALWAYS been in the State League, and didn't even participate in the NSL, and you expect them to be thrown out cause you're a racist fuck?



Precisely correct, the violence is not much different as well. Especially in the last 10 years of the NSL, it what probably even better then what it is now.



And even so, Olympic changed it's Club name, even before it became (racially) compulsory.



And how exactly does it make it better if 20-30 people start chanting in English, rather then in Cro/Greek? How does it improve Australian football? I can think of MANY more ways that Australian football can improved, like better funding for grass root football, clinics, overhauls of State League hierarchy, BUT NO! THE ANSWER TO IMPROVE AUSTRALIAN FOOTBALL, IS TO GET 20 CROATS IN MELBOURNE, 20 CROATS IN SYDNEY, AND 20 GREEKS IN SYDNEY TO CHANT IN ENGLISH :oops: ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) you are THE biggest moron I have ever come across in a forum.



maybe some of these Clubs are content with where they are. Bonnyrigg had a chance to join the NSL, and would have been one of the biggest Clubs in it, but declined to do so. So i really dont see what your point is?



So you expect a Club to throw away of 50 years of History and Culture to meet your racist demands? Once again, this is why you are a no body in Australian football.



And when you also walk in the Bonnyrigg Sports Club, directly to the left is a Chinese restautant ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) LOL!

Get over it, they can chant Sydney Croatia, and we can chant Pan-Ellinio - it is the old name to our Clubs, football Clubs all over Europe in there chants often use previous names of the Club, and I can only see this being an issue for you if you're a racist, which I would have MORE respect to you, if you just openly admitted you're a racist.



I very much highly doubt that people were staring at you as you walked in :roll: [/quote]

Racist fuck?having a ethnic only club in another country is racist to all its inhabitants you fucking idiot:)

How about you prove any of these clubs are ethnic only before you go on another hollow rant about how they shouldn't be allowed in Australia. How about you prove that these clubs turn away people that aren't of a certain ethnicity, prove that they turn away players that aren't of a certain ethnicity and when you can do that go on all the rants you want.

Again, missing the point. It is not about clubs excluding players and fans, it is the alienation felt by fans not belonging to that ethnic culture.

No, his point was that these clubs are racist and only for ethnics and that they exclude players and fans of other nationalities when it's just not true. He's an idiot who just throws about claims of racism and that these clubs should not be allowed to play on Australia.

I find it funny that going by Glory_recruits views on what's racist, the man most people praise for starting the A-League, Frank Lowy, is a racist than :lol:

I dont think the clubs themselves are racist, and by saying waht I am gonna say next, I am not calling you one, but...... Would you support a Serbian club??
A serious question.

If I was brought up supporting them like I was with United than probably wouldn't have a problem with it. But I don't think I could pick it up once I'm
on my teens.

please post a-league violence videos so we can pass them all over the a-league

What a crying shame that these small-time racist clubs are still trying to destroy the game in this country. You'd think they'd have learned that that is not the way forward.

it was the way forward till Lowy's beloved Hakoah went broke and left the NSL.

Would love it if you could explain how we are (a) racist, (b) trying to destroy the game.

Just one shred of evidence to support either argument, please. Actually, sod the evidence, just give me a logical theory.

the only person who seems to be racist is you mate

Mmmm:-k

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for me the nsl trully represented our country, we had a mix of australian clubs formed by hard working immigrants mixed in with your new clubs as well, every type of club in an inclusive national league setup, if these clubs were such racists they would have done everything possible to ensure that clubs like perth glory never got a look in, if we are being brutally honest its a more racist setup today.

+1 =d>

I find it funny that the first opportunity you got to call me racist you did it lol.you think unaustralian is racist because i said its unaustralian to have ethnic only clubs lol?.i find it funny your a little cry baby and a drama queen.

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just a bunch of whiney bitches cause they cant have there ethnic only clubs in the A league.

They talk about what there clubs have done for football in australia yet demographically if they had the format clubs have now it would of been alot more successful and there clubs would still be in the top level.but no they choose to alienate people and go for ethnicitys=racist=unaustralian.

and whys it racist? because its disrespectful to ALL people living in australia because they cant/wouldnt want to go to a football match where they feel alienated and most importantly this is australia.

not crotia or greece or italy etc.

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oops.

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Canadians, nor New Zealanders seem to have a problem embracing ethnic Club, only your red neck type do, aka, majority of A-league supporters.

Yes, the destructive, crushing segregation where race isn't part of the club or it's identity at all.

DAMN YUO LOWY YOU RACIST!

Once again for the noisy kids at the back who won't (or can't) listen... The only people who refer to these clubs as 'ethnic only' are those who don't like them. There is no exclusion. I feel extremely strongly about this because I am a non-'ethnic' who supports one of these supposedly 'ethnic only' clubs and I've never had so much as a raised eyebrow in my direction at any match in the NSL or VPL.

If we want an inclusive national league the door should be open for all clubs just like the nsl days, so yes with the current hal setup being a closed shop designed to keep certain clubs out that is a more racist setup.

i agree with the premise that the A-League should be open for all and I do not have a problem with a Broadbased State League or former NSL club being in the competition. I think the some of the concerns raised are valid, whether they are based on ignorance or not, it is reasonable for concerns to be talked through constructively.

My aim is to see the game grow and that is why I have advocated for a regionally based second tier and for an Australia cup comp...and if you recall I think a third tier based on the State Leagues could also be viable and inclusive.

Excluding clubs out hand is silly in exactly the same casually dismissing peoples concerns is also silly.

We all support the one code and we all want football to succeed in Australia and New Zealand...now where's the common ground.

you can support them now, but not back then??

mmm yer makes sense doesnt it...:roll:

Why are un-aligned clubs, Anglo clubs?? I dont see a Union Jack or British colours being incoporated into any A-League clubs emblem, or strip.
The only one that comes close to having an ethnic affiliation is the Roar, but they dont chant in Dutch.

Edited by villaboy: 15/8/2010 09:45:33 PM

South Melbourne is truly a multicultural club. Why just look at their board memebers! :roll: :roll: :roll:

President
Leo Athanasakis

Chairman
Nick Galatas

Secretary
George Koukoulas

Treasurer
Peter Parthimos

Board of Management
Ange Dallas - Director of Football
Dr George Triantos - Corporate Sales, Marketing & Events
Tony Margaritis - General Business / Merchandise
Tom Kalas – Youth Development
George Koukoulas - Venue Management
Lucky Chrisomalidis - Sales

Administration
Nicki Tsourekis - Operations Manager
George Kouroumalis - Media & Communications Manager
Michael Dimoudis - Web Site Manager
John Kyrou - Club Historian
Paul Zarogiannis - Video Production
Nick Szkilnik - Operations & Events Assistant

Great pathways for those involved in the club but dont have a greek background hey.

With the words being used such as segregation, exclusion, assimilation, un-Australian, integrate, and such questions as "can you read English?", this thread has much more in common with a One Nation speech to the party faithful.

Scouse, you claim to be bored of this subject, yet you bring it up once again and contribute with vigour. Give people credit for an inkling of intelligence please. Do you think the premise for doing so isn't transparent?

I doubt I'll see a substantial acceptance of the many hundreds, if not thousands of immigrant founded clubs around the country nor a compromise at the national level in my lifetime by many in the game. It took 50 years to rid the 'Ethnics' of any influence in the national game and it will now be clung to with a white knuckle fist. As can be seen in this forum, there's those that even call for 'Ethnic' founded clubs to be excluded from all levels of Australian football.

A renouncing of your ancestry, a name change by deed poll, a Mr. Smith, Jones and Brown on your board, speaking English with a nasal Aussie accent and a lighter shade of skin bleaching might be enough to please some, but what's worth paying that price?

Is that the best you can do?

Whenever there are operational gaps and open for criticism - thus exposing the whole Franchise model - ethnic arguments are a welcomed distraction for a competition that is operating just slightly above the poverty line.....ppppfffffffttt - getting all to repetitive

the latest shit being trolled around is that smfc is jeopordising the 2022 WCB because we are in dispute with the FFV

#-o

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Tell me is this a WOG thing?:-#

Ah ok so because they have longish surnames we dismiss the fact that they are Australians born in Australia, Nick Szkilnik the Polish background Operations & Events Assistant must be feeling out of place with all those bloody greeks that cant speak English! its a vpl club you muppet, everyone involved does it out of love and free time, are you expecting some hot shot business man to get involved? numpty

lets go back to the nsl days
http://www.smfc.com.au/news/198/big-australia-day-celebration-at-the-soccer/

im sure the surname of the South ceo would delight you, nothing like an aussie sounding name such as Patterson to get the juices flowing, how did the bloke get the job as ceo if he aint greek? im absolutely shocked and appaled, pfft sponsored by crazy johns, a greek club with a turkish backed sponsor, shame shame shame, ethnic, violent, non inclusive, kick them out of sokkah!
:lol:

SYDNEY FC has a totally JEWISH BOARD , what is you point?

there new CEO is jewish to?

I dont get what you are getting at here

The rovers dont have a backer is this the biggest joke ever, this club will fail and will we blame the ethnic clubs for this to?