do i have to start pulling out youtube videos and newspaper links to violence in the A-league, i really can't be bothered, but I will do it, lol:-$



And this is exactly why you're a no body in football. Clubs like Bankstown Lions and Bonnyrigg White Eagles, have ALWAYS been in the State League, and didn't even participate in the NSL, and you expect them to be thrown out cause you're a racist fuck?



Precisely correct, the violence is not much different as well. Especially in the last 10 years of the NSL, it what probably even better then what it is now.



And even so, Olympic changed it's Club name, even before it became (racially) compulsory.



And how exactly does it make it better if 20-30 people start chanting in English, rather then in Cro/Greek? How does it improve Australian football? I can think of MANY more ways that Australian football can improved, like better funding for grass root football, clinics, overhauls of State League hierarchy, BUT NO! THE ANSWER TO IMPROVE AUSTRALIAN FOOTBALL, IS TO GET 20 CROATS IN MELBOURNE, 20 CROATS IN SYDNEY, AND 20 GREEKS IN SYDNEY TO CHANT IN ENGLISH :oops: ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) you are THE biggest moron I have ever come across in a forum.



maybe some of these Clubs are content with where they are. Bonnyrigg had a chance to join the NSL, and would have been one of the biggest Clubs in it, but declined to do so. So i really dont see what your point is?



So you expect a Club to throw away of 50 years of History and Culture to meet your racist demands? Once again, this is why you are a no body in Australian football.



And when you also walk in the Bonnyrigg Sports Club, directly to the left is a Chinese restautant ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) LOL!

Get over it, they can chant Sydney Croatia, and we can chant Pan-Ellinio - it is the old name to our Clubs, football Clubs all over Europe in there chants often use previous names of the Club, and I can only see this being an issue for you if you're a racist, which I would have MORE respect to you, if you just openly admitted you're a racist.



I very much highly doubt that people were staring at you as you walked in :roll: [/quote]

Racist fuck?having a ethnic only club in another country is racist to all its inhabitants you fucking idiot:)

How about you prove any of these clubs are ethnic only before you go on another hollow rant about how they shouldn't be allowed in Australia. How about you prove that these clubs turn away people that aren't of a certain ethnicity, prove that they turn away players that aren't of a certain ethnicity and when you can do that go on all the rants you want.

Again, missing the point. It is not about clubs excluding players and fans, it is the alienation felt by fans not belonging to that ethnic culture.

No, his point was that these clubs are racist and only for ethnics and that they exclude players and fans of other nationalities when it's just not true. He's an idiot who just throws about claims of racism and that these clubs should not be allowed to play on Australia.

I find it funny that going by Glory_recruits views on what's racist, the man most people praise for starting the A-League, Frank Lowy, is a racist than :lol:

I dont think the clubs themselves are racist, and by saying waht I am gonna say next, I am not calling you one, but...... Would you support a Serbian club??
A serious question.

If I was brought up supporting them like I was with United than probably wouldn't have a problem with it. But I don't think I could pick it up once I'm
on my teens.

please post a-league violence videos so we can pass them all over the a-league

What a crying shame that these small-time racist clubs are still trying to destroy the game in this country. You'd think they'd have learned that that is not the way forward.

it was the way forward till Lowy's beloved Hakoah went broke and left the NSL.

Would love it if you could explain how we are (a) racist, (b) trying to destroy the game.

Just one shred of evidence to support either argument, please. Actually, sod the evidence, just give me a logical theory.

the only person who seems to be racist is you mate

Mmmm:-k

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for me the nsl trully represented our country, we had a mix of australian clubs formed by hard working immigrants mixed in with your new clubs as well, every type of club in an inclusive national league setup, if these clubs were such racists they would have done everything possible to ensure that clubs like perth glory never got a look in, if we are being brutally honest its a more racist setup today.

+1 =d>

I find it funny that the first opportunity you got to call me racist you did it lol.you think unaustralian is racist because i said its unaustralian to have ethnic only clubs lol?.i find it funny your a little cry baby and a drama queen.

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just a bunch of whiney bitches cause they cant have there ethnic only clubs in the A league.

They talk about what there clubs have done for football in australia yet demographically if they had the format clubs have now it would of been alot more successful and there clubs would still be in the top level.but no they choose to alienate people and go for ethnicitys=racist=unaustralian.

and whys it racist? because its disrespectful to ALL people living in australia because they cant/wouldnt want to go to a football match where they feel alienated and most importantly this is australia.

not crotia or greece or italy etc.

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oops.

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Canadians, nor New Zealanders seem to have a problem embracing ethnic Club, only your red neck type do, aka, majority of A-league supporters.

Yes, the destructive, crushing segregation where race isn't part of the club or it's identity at all.

DAMN YUO LOWY YOU RACIST!

Once again for the noisy kids at the back who won't (or can't) listen... The only people who refer to these clubs as 'ethnic only' are those who don't like them. There is no exclusion. I feel extremely strongly about this because I am a non-'ethnic' who supports one of these supposedly 'ethnic only' clubs and I've never had so much as a raised eyebrow in my direction at any match in the NSL or VPL.

If we want an inclusive national league the door should be open for all clubs just like the nsl days, so yes with the current hal setup being a closed shop designed to keep certain clubs out that is a more racist setup.

i agree with the premise that the A-League should be open for all and I do not have a problem with a Broadbased State League or former NSL club being in the competition. I think the some of the concerns raised are valid, whether they are based on ignorance or not, it is reasonable for concerns to be talked through constructively.

My aim is to see the game grow and that is why I have advocated for a regionally based second tier and for an Australia cup comp...and if you recall I think a third tier based on the State Leagues could also be viable and inclusive.

Excluding clubs out hand is silly in exactly the same casually dismissing peoples concerns is also silly.

We all support the one code and we all want football to succeed in Australia and New Zealand...now where's the common ground.

you can support them now, but not back then??

mmm yer makes sense doesnt it...:roll:

Why are un-aligned clubs, Anglo clubs?? I dont see a Union Jack or British colours being incoporated into any A-League clubs emblem, or strip.
The only one that comes close to having an ethnic affiliation is the Roar, but they dont chant in Dutch.

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South Melbourne is truly a multicultural club. Why just look at their board memebers! :roll: :roll: :roll:

President
Leo Athanasakis

Chairman
Nick Galatas

Secretary
George Koukoulas

Treasurer
Peter Parthimos

Board of Management
Ange Dallas - Director of Football
Dr George Triantos - Corporate Sales, Marketing & Events
Tony Margaritis - General Business / Merchandise
Tom Kalas – Youth Development
George Koukoulas - Venue Management
Lucky Chrisomalidis - Sales

Administration
Nicki Tsourekis - Operations Manager
George Kouroumalis - Media & Communications Manager
Michael Dimoudis - Web Site Manager
John Kyrou - Club Historian
Paul Zarogiannis - Video Production
Nick Szkilnik - Operations & Events Assistant

Great pathways for those involved in the club but dont have a greek background hey.

With the words being used such as segregation, exclusion, assimilation, un-Australian, integrate, and such questions as "can you read English?", this thread has much more in common with a One Nation speech to the party faithful.

Scouse, you claim to be bored of this subject, yet you bring it up once again and contribute with vigour. Give people credit for an inkling of intelligence please. Do you think the premise for doing so isn't transparent?

I doubt I'll see a substantial acceptance of the many hundreds, if not thousands of immigrant founded clubs around the country nor a compromise at the national level in my lifetime by many in the game. It took 50 years to rid the 'Ethnics' of any influence in the national game and it will now be clung to with a white knuckle fist. As can be seen in this forum, there's those that even call for 'Ethnic' founded clubs to be excluded from all levels of Australian football.

A renouncing of your ancestry, a name change by deed poll, a Mr. Smith, Jones and Brown on your board, speaking English with a nasal Aussie accent and a lighter shade of skin bleaching might be enough to please some, but what's worth paying that price?

Is that the best you can do?

Whenever there are operational gaps and open for criticism - thus exposing the whole Franchise model - ethnic arguments are a welcomed distraction for a competition that is operating just slightly above the poverty line.....ppppfffffffttt - getting all to repetitive

the latest shit being trolled around is that smfc is jeopordising the 2022 WCB because we are in dispute with the FFV

#-o

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