Tell me is this a WOG thing?:-#

Ah ok so because they have longish surnames we dismiss the fact that they are Australians born in Australia, Nick Szkilnik the Polish background Operations & Events Assistant must be feeling out of place with all those bloody greeks that cant speak English! its a vpl club you muppet, everyone involved does it out of love and free time, are you expecting some hot shot business man to get involved? numpty

lets go back to the nsl days
http://www.smfc.com.au/news/198/big-australia-day-celebration-at-the-soccer/

im sure the surname of the South ceo would delight you, nothing like an aussie sounding name such as Patterson to get the juices flowing, how did the bloke get the job as ceo if he aint greek? im absolutely shocked and appaled, pfft sponsored by crazy johns, a greek club with a turkish backed sponsor, shame shame shame, ethnic, violent, non inclusive, kick them out of sokkah!
:lol:

SYDNEY FC has a totally JEWISH BOARD , what is you point?

there new CEO is jewish to?

I dont get what you are getting at here

The rovers dont have a backer is this the biggest joke ever, this club will fail and will we blame the ethnic clubs for this to?

I'm not getting involved in this, but he is implying the Board of Operations is GREEK, whereas you're talking about a Board of Directors being JEWISH. Um, sorry to break it to you pal, but one is a race of people and the other is a religion... Just sayin'.

I notice you still haven't popped your head in here - http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=37720 - you could learn a lot...

Being Jewish is also ethnicity moron.

Edited by spathi: 17/8/2010 06:19:08 AM

The reason for doing so is that annoying trolls keep starting threads in AF claiming that not having the ethnic clubs in the A-League is racist and discriminatory and "arguments" of that nature. I continually and rightly point out that the very basis of their clubs is racist and discriminatory. Since everyone that supports an A-League club seems to resent the 'new football'ers of the A-League and their non-ethnic-aligned clubs, why do they want so badly (to the point of obsession) to be part of it?

You have a place in Australian football: it's absolutely the right place, because the NSL excluded a large number of people that were passionate about football that didn't have an outlet for that passion. It's sad that supporters of old NSL clubs don't go and support the A-League very much, no wonder there's no reciprocation.

Claiming threads on certain subjects are boring, tedious and tiring, by starting another similar boring, tedious and tiring thread is quite sensible, isn't it?

There is obviously several posters who stir the pot to the detriment of their own argument. Fools And that goes for pro and con posters. Fools come in all flavours. However, there are many others that discuss sensibly and politely so all should not be tarred with the same brush by any stretch of the imagination.
Generalisations are made and stereotypes used that can only cause resentment.

You claim the principle of immigrant established football clubs is in itself racist. To be so, a policy of exclusion, official or otherwise, would need to be practised. There is no policy nor is any practised. Not a hint of it. On the contrary, and if more 'fair dinkum Aussies' would care to spend the time to find out, anyone and everyone is more than welcome and would be treated with the same respect you care to afford your hosts.

I often see the claim on here that some felt/feel unwelcome or uncomfortable attending a match at an 'ethnic' established club, but if you, I or anyone else feels uncomfortable around a collective of people of a different heritage then yourself, then you, I or anyone else has the problem mixing with others when not in the majority.

I'm of Welsh decent and have always been welcome and made feel so regardless of the ethnicity of the club I attend and the many hundreds of others i've known over decades of football, like me, have had the same experience. Maybe we didn't have a preconception we wouldn't be welcome because we're of a different heritage, maybe if we did it was soon shown as wrong by simply shaking a hand, saying g'day and treating people the way we'd expect for ourselves. Maybe we didn't tell them they had a 'shitty little ethnic club', look down our noses at them and then say 'I told ya so" if we didn't then feel comfortable.

I have no alliance to any state league or aleague club and haven't attended either for years as geography prevents it. My beef is with those that call for exclusion of 'Ethnic' immigrant established clubs at all levels of Australian football. Joe Blow is free participate in any way, shape or form he chooses, with the peers he chooses, regardless of heritage and without the active or passive exclusion of any.

If another Joe Blow has a problem of feeling uncomfortable around others, maybe Joe needs to look at his attitude towards those a little different from himself and think about moving just a little bit away from of his homogenised, preferential view of what Australia should be and explore the big grey are in between the black & white. You never know, Joe might even gain personal benefit from moving out of his comfort zone. Maybe, even some new friendships.



Edited by skeptic: 17/8/2010 10:27:44 AM

Sorry, but there's a difference between being made uncomfortable by "those a little different from yourself" and being made uncomfortable by violence, both actual and threatened, and by conflict transference.

Also, there is a policy of exclusion practiced by those clubs, whatever you and Benjamin and anyone else might pretend.

I do find the accusations of racism pretty galling and over the top. For what, not supporting an ethnic club I feel nothing for? If I'm racist, so are most A-League supporters, by your logic.

I'm off to a Chinese restaurant now that has Chinese writing everywhere... Scouse Roar, i'll come back and tell you how racially vilified and left out I was :D

It only takes a quick glance at the NSWPL finals thread to tell you exactly what I'm talking about.

By gee, your are an expert in nsl experiences for someone that has never been to an nsl game.
Yes, there would be a difference, however, if you were to use your brain, just a touch, you would be aware many have stated they felt uncomfortable, without any violence being present and based simply on the fact they were not themselves, ethnic, and that's what my comments were in regards to. One poster, for example, claimed to feel uncomfortable because he was stared at by others and there were groups of old men in the stands speaking Greek. You, sir, didn't even give yourself an opportunity to see for yourself how you would be accepted by never attending.

Please explain the practised policy of exclusion, with examples if you could. Yes, i'm aware you never attended an nsl game, but try nonetheless. Don't just throw dirt and hope most sticks. And the examples of violence you speak of that kept you away from your local games in Brisbane.

No claims of racism towards you from my direction, sunshine, so what's my logic have to do with your comment?

Edited by skeptic: 17/8/2010 11:27:34 AM

When did I say I never attended an NSL game? I went to quite a few Strikers games, as well as games in Sydney and Melbourne. Was appalled by the racism, bigotry and animosity shown at the games. Never felt comfortable going so I stopped.

You forgot the violence, riots and flare throwing.

And the answer to the above, is?

I went to a Sydney Croatia game. I was greeted in Croatian by the ticket seller. The chanting at the game was 95% Croatian. There was violence towards the opposition during the match.

Hmmmm.

And they serve Croatian food too.

Probably had Graham Arnold and Robbie Slater playing for them.

That would turm me off too.

scouser_roat would have been appalled with the amount of ethnic food at this game, like the Cevapi :D haha

FC Bossy have the best Cevapi though (awaits for all the Serbs and Cro's to go off at me)

I'd advise them to put a bit more vigour in their practised policy of exclusion if all they can come up with is a ticket seller at one of the games you attended not greeting you in English. I'd think all ticket sellers at all venues at all times should refuse to speak English and force a recital of Waltzing Matilda in the relevant ethnic language as a condition of entry. Now there's a real man's exclusion policy.

If your examples of a claimed practised policy of exclusion are limited to the paltry excuse for examples listed above, Mr Scouse, please excuse me if I shake my head at your readiness to publicly display the childish naivety required to think those comments could possibly be taken seriously.

Hmmmmmmm, indeed.



Edited by skeptic: 17/8/2010 01:19:11 PM

Hey, Spider says the best Cevapi in Sydney is at King Tom so end of story:p

You can say that if you wish - but I'm more than happy to invite any supporter of any ethnicity, race, colour, religion, accent, height, weight, sexual persuasion, disability, etc., to come down to a South Melbourne game next season (wherever we might be playing). They may be bored by the football, but I guarentee that they won't be excluded by the club, abused by the supporters, etc.

Do you really need me to paint you a complete picture of that particular day, and many others I have experienced, skeptic?

All we really need to know is that those dark days are in the past, and football is now a game for everyone, not just marginalised ethnic groups acting out their European domination fantasies and petty nationalistic rivalries on the stage of the NSL. I think it's time you stopped living in the past.

Our experiences are in the past, but there's a footballing future in our hands.

No, you do, Mr Scouse, to support up your claim of ethnic clubs having a practising policy of exclusion. You didn't need assistance to put your foot in your mouth and I'll not offer help to remove it.

"How do I come out of this smelling like roses and not looking the prat?", ponders Mr. Scouse. Humility isn't a trait you're at all familiar with, is it Mr Scouse?

Hmmmmm.


Edited by skeptic: 17/8/2010 02:32:03 PM

Edited by skeptic: 17/8/2010 02:35:18 PM

hmmmm

Damn 6 pages of this already..... its the never ending story:)

One comment on why Bossy have the best Cevapi

And this is the key point.

We don't want to live in the past.

We want to live in the future with the rest of you. We WANT to move forward, but we aren't allowed.

How exactly have I put my foot in my mouth? Please explain.