Quite false, that lady in America who said she identifies as African-American when she is clearly white.

You can't pick and choose as it suits you.

Bolded the bit in question, since you seem to be a bit slow.

And none of this matters. As I've said, it may suck to not be able to express your dislike for a player based on legitimate reasons but the plain and simple fact of the matter is that it now feeds into racism regardless of why you are personally doing it. Even if 90% of the people booing are doing it for no consciously or subconsciously racist reason (which is complete trash, given the voluminous increase in abuse since the race fiasco) the simple matter is there is a racial undertone that has formed the narrative of that abuse. Once you have been told that it is there, consciously choosing to continue to boo is consciously choosing to support and enable that racist element. You cannot boo Goodes and claim to be separate from the racial abuse now, and that isn't Goodes' fault- it is the racist element's fault. Goodes didn't take away your right to boo, white trash racist shitheads did.

Think about how you would feel about someone using the swastika and claiming to be separate from the Nazi reading of the symbol? It's not so far removed, really.

I got a mate who posted up saying hamish mcintosh retired and not becasue of booing. I have no idea why some people are jumping on the bandwagon
Hell i got people on my fb who have no inkling for the afl and are saying goodes is a sook .who use dani alves mario ballotelli as examples of players who didnt react.

Scoll, just out of curiosity do you follow AFL?

More than most sports, less than football. I like the sport, but don't watch it religiously. I was a lot more into it when I was younger, but I do feel I am currently more informed than your generic non-follower sports fan due to being surrounded by massive AFL fans.

I am, however, also a passionate leftist scumbag ;)

Lets hope the hoopla and goodes can move on. Itll be a sad day if the idiots who are using this to call goodes a monkey and go back to the zoo win. The boos at the start were about h being a dirty player but now have become anything else. It needs to stop. We called out the indians who moneky called andrew symonds. We shake our heads when mario ballotelli gets called out.we gasp as dani alves gets a banana thrown at him. We mock iuteage when frimpong gets suspended for two games when he responds to the russian idiots who monkey chanted him. But if goodesy does dance we get all uppity.

:lol:

Yeah, I didn't want to sound as though I was discounting your knowledge at all. Unlike everyone else ITT I just couldn't remember seeing anything anti or pro AFL in the past from you so I was genuinely curious.

TBH I don't begrudge Goodes the right to do that as I don't see it as being any different to any other sort of player interaction with opposition fans, but when you do something like that towards opposition supporters they're entitled to a response and honestly I think a boo is a perfectly fine response in that instance. I don't see it as any different to Archie giving shit back to Heart fans after a derby goal, I love seeing that stuff actually, but fans have every right to give it back in these cases IMO.

Obviously the booing has evolved past that but I just mean in direct response to the war dance, I don't think that doing it or booing it is a bad thing.

Ironic :lol:

Agree 100%, and I don't recall Goodes having a problem with the crowd response during the celebration either - it was perfectly normal. It was all the carry-on afterwards about whether it was "inciting" the crowd, whether it was "appropriate" and such by boofhead pundits who needed to fill airtime, and journalists needing clickbait. As soon as it became about the acceptability of the "war dance" it became about race, and the media fuelled a negative reaction to it that was inherently racist. Continuing to boo him for what amounts to embracing his non-anglocentric background is all-round poor form.

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Rachel Dolezal had no African-American heritage, thus your example is completely off topic.

You also clearly don't understand irony*, but that's unsurprising since hardly anyone on the internet does.

*unless your posts are part of some Machiavellian plot to redefine racism and some hypothetical external parties are aware of its brilliance and complexity but I, and others in this thread, are not.

Edited by Scoll: 29/7/2015 06:41:01 PM

I'm also flabbergasted that no-one has called me out on Godwin's Law yet, though maybe that's because the comparison was apt? :lol:

Why aren't the disliked white players being booed as vociferously?

Like the svastika? And its continual use today is asia. .. where it originates and does not have the negative connotations.

Well in Richmond.

OMG! Now we have people comparing booing an opposition player at the footy to wearing a swastika :shock: . This just shows to what ridiculous lengths this thing has got to.

As for the main part of your post - It's not the vast majority's fault either but the vast majority of opposition fans are ALL now being called racists for ever booing Goodes. And AFL officialdom scratch their heads and wonder why fans have arced up and taken offence after falsely being accused of being racists and now out of spite boo Goodes even louder and whenever he gets the ball.

It was hardly a comparison, it was an analogy. But hey, if you have no actual points to make, it makes sense that you attack something as petty as that.

if you boo someone and then are informed that it is being viewed as racist behaviour, so the next time you get the opportunity you boo louder, you are literally proving yourself to be racist.

Absolutely great stuff from the Tigers=d>

Nicky Winmar and Michael Long challenged those assumptions. They weren't booed afterwards. They changed attitudes of footy supporters proactively.


Because as he's got older and slower, he's resorted to dirty acts, poor sportsmanship and because he's become an arrogant pompous judgemental sook! You see most fans can judge players as individual players based on their actions. The mass booing didn't start after the schoolgirl incident in 2013. The mass booing has grown over this current season. He publicly sulked about being booed and idiotically called ALL opposition fans that boo him racists. Geez, I wonder why he is being booed louder and by more people after he makes offensive sweeping generalised statements about the whole footy supporter base :roll:.

Okay the next time Goodes remonstrates with a Tiger player and runs up to the umpire and falsely makes out Alex Rance slid knees first into Buddy to try to get a free or worse a report (as he did a month ago at the SCG), I'll sit silent and not boo Goodes even though he's a cheat :roll:.

So I can assume you will boo Joel Selwood, Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell, Brent Harvey and Jack Riewoldt every time they touch the ball for the rest of their careers? Or is there something different about them perhaps:-k

Not Jack. Don't boo my own team's players. Selwood not really - only when he gets those dodgy frees for too high. Brett Harvey definitely - another older player who has resorted to dirty acts, sooking and cheating for frees to stay in the game longer. Ballantyne is the worst one for his past thuggish acts followed by Lindsay 'diving' Thomas.

All you left wing extremists are quite odd.

You get mad when the bogans from reclaim Australia say all Muslims are terrorists because there's a few bad ones. Doesn't that same logic apply to booing Adam Goodes? Sure some people may use racism, but you can't say that everyone who boos him is a racist.

That's a huge genralisation, also a big contradiction.

This is quality

Just wanted to say I appreciate what you're trying to do :lol

Didn't answer the rest of the question ;)

That's because I'm so extreme, I don't think it warrants a response ;)

So now the mother of that child said adam should man up and apolgise. She stated that if he didnt carry on none of this would be going on. I shake my head sometimes.

I win this round ;)