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Hi everyone. From the response the topic about FFA coaching badges received it has become obvious that there is a lack of information and/or the ability to attain such information about coaching courses and badges. A lot of the comments were in response to the prices of the FFA courses and the general curiosity about doing badges in other local, interstate and/or international locations. My hope for this thread is that we can pile together all and any information we know or we find about these courses, just to make a general resource for anybody to come and have a look at. If you are curious about anything that is not on this page, please request it as I'd be more than happy to find out for you. All said and done - I hope this can help whoever is looking for the help and information. Good luck on your coaching journey! *** The list is beginning to become quite long, which is great. It has the drawback of making things a little more difficult to find though. If you are curious about the situation in a specific country's federation, I suggest searching this page for the abbreviation of the country's federation name. So for instance, if you want to quickly find out about courses that are held in Sweden, you should search for SvFF. *** As many of the sites and information listed below will be in a language other than English, I recommend using either Google Translate to translate any of the information you are looking for, or to make life easier, download Google Chrome Browser to help you out as it has a built in translator for most of the world's major languages. I realise that most of the people that read this either only speak English, or speak English as their native language. To make it easier to find federations that offer courses in English on this page, simply search this page for (En), brackets included. Each federation that offers courses in English will have this mark next to it. Edited by Draupnir: 23/5/2012 01:32:49 AMEdited by Joffa: 23/5/2012 12:19:52 PM
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*************** AFC *************** General Information Official WebsiteAFC Coach Education Policy and Procedures - This one is well worth a read for anybody who is seriously considering doing their badges. It contains all the information about progressing through the ranks of the badges and what is to be expected. AFC Coaching Instructor Education Policy and Procedures - For coaching instructorsSpecific Course Information AFC Pro-Diploma BadgeAFC A BadgeAFC B BadgeAFC C BadgeAFC Level 1, 2 and 3 Goalkeeping BadgeAFC Level 1, 2 and 3 Futsal BadgesAFC Conditioning/Fitness CourseAustralia/FFA (En) General information There isn't a lot of information on the FFA site about individual coaching courses. I recommend viewing the pathways documents below to find more detailed information. Official WebsiteMinimum Coaching Requirements - Answers all your questions about what course or badge you need to have completed to be able to manage a team in any given Australian competition. Overseas Course/Certificate Conversion - The most important document to read if you plan on completing courses overseas for use in Australia. Covers information about converting certificates, analogue certificates and so on. Football Federation Australia National Curriculum - Great document. Has an overwhelming amount of information regarding coaching and playing pathways and methods and principles. Worth having a read through if you have the time. Specific Course Information Community Course Pathway List and Information - Lists, summaries and location information for all of the national community coaching courses. Good place to start! Advanced Pathway List and Information - For when you are ready to make the step up from the community based courses. Application forms and locational information. Australian States and Territories As the development of players in each state and territory is overseen by the FFA, I recommend viewing the documents listed above in conjunction with the relevant documents listed for your state federation. If no resource to determine when a course will be delivered in your region is provided below, check the FFA information above. Australian Capital Territory/CF Official WebsiteCourse CalendarCourse Information - Worth reading for anybody planning on doing an FFA community course inside or outside of the ACT. New South Wales/FNSW Official WebsiteDate and location overview of courses - Mainly relevant to Metropolitan Sydney areas. Player Curriculum - Ages 7 - 8 Player Curriculum - Ages 9 - 10 Player Curriculum - Ages 11 - 12 Player Curriculum - Ages 13 - 14 Player Curriculum - Ages 15 - 16 Note: The player curriculum guides are all offline at the moment. Northern Territory/FNT Official WebsiteCourse ScheduleQueensland/FFQ Official WebsiteCoach EducationCoaching ClinicsSouth Australia/FFSA Official WebsiteCoaching Courses Overview - Links to FFA documents. Tasmania/FFT Official WebsiteCourse ScheduleVictoria/FFV Official WebsiteFFV WorkshopsFFV Coaching FAQs - Well worth reading for everybody, even those outside of Victoria. Western Australia/FW Official WebsiteCourse ScheduleJapan/JFA General information As the JFA site and information is in Japanese, I recommend referring to my tips at the bottom of my first post. All course and badge applications are expected to be in Japanese. Official WebsiteCoaching Pathways OverviewJFA Coaching Philosophy and HistoryCoaching Course FAQSpecific Course Information JFA Class A - AFC A BadgeJFA Class B - AFC B BadgeJFA Class C - This link provides details of the regional and district federations as they provide training for the Class C course. JFA Class D - Same as the Class C procedure. Children's Training Workshop - Same as the Class C procedure. Goalkeeper Class A - Check the information under Goalkeeper Class A on this page, curses schedules are released once per year in March. Goalkeeper Class B (Youth - U18) Goalkeeper Class C (Youth - U15)Refresher and Retraining Courses Refresh Courses Summary - Information on locations and prices and summaries of each course. Provides a schedule for when refreshment courses need to be undertaken. Singapore/FAS (En) General information Official WebsiteCoach Development PathwayNational Football SyllabusSpecific Course Information Course guide/summary for FAS preliminary and AFC A, B and C badgesContact, price and course information for the FAS preliminary badge and AFC A Badge- Information about progressing through the ranks of the badges and what is to be expected of you. Note; Singaporean citizens and permanent residents are given priority access to these courses over other applicants. You will only be offered a place if there is an available slot that is not taken by a citizen or resident. *************** CONCACAF *************** General Information Official WebsiteConference ScheduleCanada/CSA (En) General information Simply said, there isn't a great deal of information available from the CSA on coaching courses. If I am honest, there situation seems lacking. Below are the few pages of information worthy of reading if you're interested in applying for any courses. Official WebsiteCoaching PathwaysCoach Education Program - Overview of the different coaching pathways available, as well as information and summaries of each level certification. National Curriculum - Part 1 - Style and Principles of Play National Curriculum - Part 2 - Concepts and Coaching Guidelines - Warning, large file. National Curriculum - Part 3 - Age Group Organization National Curriculum - Part 4 - Planning and Training - Warning, large file. Coaching PathwaysCourse Schedule ListingSpecific Course Information A LicenceB LicenceC LicenceD Licence - This course is administered by individual state federations. E Licence - This course is administered by individual state federations. Adult LicenceYouth LicenceFitness Level IGoalkeeping Licence - Compliments the A and B Licences *************** OFC *************** General Information Official WebsiteCoaching Level PyramidCourse ScheduleNew Zealand/NZF (En) General information Official WebsiteNew Zealand Football WoFP (Whole of Football Plan) - Document that provides a detailed overview of the coaching pathways NZF offers. Coaching, referring, admin and playing. Coaching Pathways OverviewNew Zealand Football Events Calendar - Information on matches as well as coaching courses. Specific Course Information Junior (Grassroots) Coaching Courses - These are run by local and district federations. Youth Coaching Courses - These are run by local and district federations. Senior Coaching Courses - These are run by regional bodies. *************** UEFA *************** General Information UEFA titled badges and courses are run by individual member federations and associations, and as such there is little to no information on UEFA's official website about coaching pathways. England/The FA (En) General information Official WebsiteFA Coaching Pathways - Analogous to the FFA pathway documents. This document simply provides information about starting points, finishing points and additional coaching courses that can be undertaken ranging from introductory youth modules to the UEFA Pro licence, as well as separate courses on specific positional play, disabled footballing and futsal. FA Coaching Pathways - A slightly more in depth overview between the relationships of the different pathway choices and how they interact. Specific Course Information FA Online Courses - Yes, you read it right. The English FA provides online courses that are both informative and more importantly, cheap. There are even a few that are free. There are specific football related courses like Laws of the Game, but also general courses that don't revolve around football as a whole, such as Introduction to Equality and Diversity. Some of these courses are more serious than others and require upwards of 20 hours of study, but with the amount of information on offer and a certificate from the FA that is received upon completion, I feel it's a decent investment. These online courses are either done directly through the FA website, which you'll need to create an account for, or they are done directly through local association websites, which you will need to sign up for a free account to get access. Whether you do it through the FA site or the local FA site doesn't matter and is determined by what course you intend to do. FA National Courses List - Location and price information for courses including the UEFA A, B, Pro Diploma courses and specialist courses like Psychology, First Aid and Fitness training courses. FA Local County Courses - This page is down at the moment. When it is up it contains location and price information about grassroots and community football courses. France/FFF General information As the FFF site and information is in French, I recommend referring to my tips at the bottom of my first post. All course and badge applications are expected to be in French. Official WebsiteSchedule of Courses and BadgesSchedule of Courses and Badges - General Training (Football Business) Grassroots courses are administered by local and district associations. Advanced level courses and badges are run by the FFF and/or INF (Football Training Institute), primarily at the famed Clairefontaine centre. Specific Course Information Initial Course I - Grassroots and children's coaching (6-11) course. Initial Course II - Youth team management and technical assistance. Senior Management CourseBEES 1 Diploma - UEFA B Badge - District League Version Professional Courses and Badges BEES 1 Diploma - UEFA B Badge - INF/FFF Version - Diploma I - UF1 - Formation and Tactical Knowledge Diploma II - UF2/UF3 - Advanced Formation and Tactical Knowledge Professional Coach Diploma - UEFA Pro DiplomaProfessional Coach Diploma - UEFA Pro Diploma - With focus on technical direction. Goalkeeping CertificateFitness Coach CertificateRefresher and Retraining Courses DEPF Continuation CourseThere are more courses available from the FFF that I will continue to update. If you are looking for speficic information about a course that isn't listed here, just post your question and I will get back to you. Germany/DFB General information As the DFB site and information is in German, I recommend referring to my tips at the bottom of my first post. All course and badge applications are expected to be in German. Official WebsiteOverview of Coaching PathwaysCalendar of Course and Badge EventsLicencing PrerequisitesSpecific Course Information Amateur Courses and Badges DFB Grassroots C CourseProfessional Courses and Badges DFB Pro DiplomaDFB A BadgeDFB B BadgeDFB C BadgeIreland/FAI (En) General information Official WebsiteSpecific Course Information Amateur Courses and Badges Kick Start 1 - Grassroots and children's (6-9) coaching. Kick Start 2 - Grassroots and children's coaching (9-12) Youth CertificateSenior IntroGoalkeeper IntroductionProfessional Courses and Badges UEFA Pro LicenceUEFA A BadgeUEFA B BadgeGoalkeeper A LicenceGoalkeeper B LicenceMedical Workshops - These courses are required for the UEFA B Badge, Goalkeeping B Licence and Youth Certificate. Small Sided Games WorkshopStrength and Conditioning CourseFutsal CourseDisability Football WorkshopNetherlands/KNVB General information As the KNVB site and information is in Dutch, I recommend referring to my tips at the bottom of my first post. Official WebsiteKNVB Coaches and Training Homepage - The first stop for all the information you'll be looking for. Links to all and any information about KNVB courses and study that you'll need. KNVB Academie - Homepage for the KNVB online studies. You will need to register to be able to login to this section of the website. Keep in mind that a lot of these courses require you to be able to participate in specifically planned training sessions in The Netherlands. In Dutch and English. Football Management Course (Business)Specific Course Information Amateur Courses and Badges The KNVB uses the terms "F-Pupillen", "E-Pupillen" and "D-Pupillen" which translate to "F, E and D pupils", respectively. Essentially these are children's categories where different techniques and abilities are taught. D-Pupils are the first group of young players that get to play with the offside rule and on a fully sized pitch. All of the below links contain information on prices and locations as well as course summaries. F Level Pupil CourseE Level Pupil CourseD Level Pupil CoursePupil Trainer - This course is a combination of the F, E and D courses. Youth Football Training CourseJunior Trainer (13-19)Technical Youth Coordinator IITechincal Youth Coordinator IIIG-Football - Training For Disabled PersonsGoalkeeping Level II CourseGoalkeeping Level III CourseProfessional Courses and Badges UEFA C Badge - KNVB Trainer Coach III for Senior Players CourseUEFA C Badge - KNVB Trainer Coach for Youth Players CourseUEFA B BadgeUEFA A Badge - Trainer Coach I for Senior PlayersUEFA A Badge - Trainer Coach I for Youth PlayersUEFA Pro DiplomaRefresher and Retraining Courses Dealing With Problem BehaviourDeveloping Playing StyleTraining FacilitationNorthern Ireland/IFA (En) General information Dirk has let us know that he's heard that the professional Irish courses and badges might be marked a little easier than else where. Check them out. Many of the Northern Irish courses and badge pages don't contain too much information, simply price, location and payment methods. The names are fairly self explanatory and if you're not sure, compare and contrast them to the closest UEFA badge. Official WebsiteIFA National Coaching Booklet - Document with information on the IFA coaching ladder and summaries of all the courses listed below. Amateur Courses and Badges IFA Level IIFA Level IIIFA Grassroots IntroductionGoalkeeping CertificateProfessional Courses and Badges IFA Level V - UEFA Pro Diploma (A Badge Part II)IFA Level IV - UEFA A Badge (A Badge Part I)IFA Level III - UEFA B BadgeGoalkeeping DiplomaIFA Youth CertificateLevel 2 Disabled AwardLevel I Disabled AwardNorway/NFF General information As the NFF site and information is in Norwegian, I recommend referring to my tips at the bottom of my first post. Norway is fairly accommodating to English speakers so it may be worth your time to get in contact with the federation if you would like to train for any courses or badges there. Official WebsiteClub Management Courses - Courses aimed at developing club management skills. From football philosophy to how to run a canteen. Amateur Courses and Badges "ABCs" Course - A very basic introduction to the rules of football for aspiring coaches and managers. NFF C Licence - Childrens and youth football. The starting point of the Norwegian coach training pyramid. Professional Courses and Badges UEFA Pro LicenceUEFA A LicenceUEFA B LicenceScotland/SFA (En) General information The Scottish FA provides a great amount of information and courses. Check out any one of the below links to get an idea. They do get a little pricey on the upper tiers. Official WebsiteNational Coaching Brochure - Coaching pathways information and summaries. Lists of locations, prices and courses. Specific Course Information Children's Level I - Early Touches Certificate Children's Level II - Coaching Young Footballers Children's Level III - Coaching in the Game Children's Level IV - Basic Children's Award Children's Level V - Advanced Children's Licence Youth Level I - Development Activities Certificate Youth Level II - Coaching Youth Footballers Certificate Youth Level III - Coaching in the Game Certificate Youth Level IV - Basic Youth Award Youth Level V - Youth Licence Adult Level I - Coach Education Adult Level II - UEFA Basic Licence Introduction (Equivalent to UEFA B Badge) Adult Level III - UEFA Basic Licence Assessment (Equivalent to UEFA B Badge) Adult Level IV - UEFA Advanced Licence Introductory and Assessment (Equivalent to UEFA A Badge) Adult Level V - UEFA Pro Diploma Goalkeeper Level IGoalkeeper Level IIGoalkeeper Level IIIGoalkeeper Level IVGoalkeeper Level VCoaching Footballers With DisabilitiesSpain/RFEF General information As the RFEF site and information is in Spanish, I recommend referring to my tips at the bottom of my first post. Official WebsiteCourse in Football Management (Business)Course in Sports Management (Business)Specific Course Information Amateur Courses and Badges Grassroots Courses - These are organised by local and district federations. Monitor Course - Required before enrolling in Coaching Course I. Professional Courses and Badges Coaching Course ICoaching Course II - Intermediate Coaching Course III - National Manager/Coach level Goalkeeping CourseSweden/SvFF General information As the SvFF site and information is in Swedish, I recommend referring to my tips at the bottom of my first post. Sweden, just as Norway is, is fairly accommodating to English speakers so it may be worth your time to get in contact with the federation if you would like to train for any courses or badges there. Sweden has some slightly different options open to aspiring coaches and managers than other countries - They have a multitude of university degrees on football in addition to the regular football courses and badges that are on offer. They provide excellent training and the same certificates as specific courses run by SvFF and local federations. If you find yourself to be a resident there as I did, it may well be worth your time looking into it. Official WebsiteCoaching Pathway OverviewGoalkeeping Coaching OverviewAmateur Courses and Badges These courses are all organised by district associations. Whilst they are called basic, they all lead up to a final "Diplomkurs bas", literally, "Basic Diploma Course", which is equivalent to the UEFA B Badge. Basic Diploma Course - UEFA B BadgeKick off - Childrens and grassroots course. Basic Leadership IBasic Leadership IIGame/Playing Understanding and Comprehension IGame/Playing Understanding and Comprehension IITechnique ITechnique IITraining Knowledge I - Coruse on how to run training sessions, warm up and down, health and nutrition for children. Training Knowledge II - Course on child development and injury prevention. Goalkeeping I - Introduction to goalkeeping for children. Teaches techniques and prepares them for match situations. Goalkeeping II - Focusses on training goalkeeping defensive and attacking play and introduces a goalkeeping development plan. Advanced Courses and Badges These courses lead up to the UEFA A Badge and Pro Diploma. Diploma Course - UEFA A BadgeCourse I - Leadership, Understanding and Technique. Course II - Understanding, Technique and Training Knowledge (Physical Training). Course III - Training Knowledge (Health and Nutrition, Planning Training, Injury Management), Understanding, Goalkeeping and Leadership. Pro DiplomaEdited by Draupnir: 8/6/2012 02:37:40 AMEdited by Draupnir: 9/9/2015 07:53:53 PM
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Good thread topic, Draupnir.
The AFC pyramid is different from the FFA.
The C Licence courses onwards are the same, considered Advanced Courses here.
Before that in Australia is:
Community Coaching.
Grass Roots Certicficate -2 hours 30 minutes.
Junior Licence - a day
Youth Licence - a few days
Senior Licence - a few days
One usually has to complete all these courses, in this order, before one can do a FFA C Licence.
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Thanks Decentric!
I am working on the Australian section right now. I'll put both the advanced and community information up.
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Hey Decentric - I was just having a look at the community courses and the prerequisites and.. Well, there don't seem to be any. I *know* you're right about the fact that one has to complete them in order to progress to the C license, but do you have a source so I can post it in here.
Best I can find is "It is recommended that candidates complete one or more Community Coaching Courses as ideal preparation for entering the Advanced Pathway".
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Draupnir wrote:Hey Decentric - I was just having a look at the community courses and the prerequisites and.. Well, there don't seem to be any. I *know* you're right about the fact that one has to complete them in order to progress to the C license, but do you have a source so I can post it in here.
Best I can find is "It is recommended that candidates complete one or more Community Coaching Courses as ideal preparation for entering the Advanced Pathway". No I don't, but it was stipulated in the past. I hope you are right, because I really don't want to do any more Community Coaching courses because the KNVB course has transcended them. I'm training FFA Community Coaching Course graduates at my club, so I know what they've covered.
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Worst you can do is try! If you hold one or more, well that seems like it is the requirements.
Good luck with the C course ;)
(Have you tried enrolling?)
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Read somewhere today that a coach had his state coaching badge and is currently completng his FFA 'A' level badge, I have never heard of these badges before can someone please claify?
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Draupnir wrote:Worst you can do is try! If you hold one or more, well that seems like it is the requirements.
Good luck with the C course ;)
(Have you tried enrolling?) No. I talk to the state TD regularly. There is no course till October.
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victory_12345678910 wrote:Read somewhere today that a coach had his state coaching badge and is currently completng his FFA 'A' level badge, I have never heard of these badges before can someone please claify?
Edited by victory_12345678910: 18/5/2012 07:15:16 AM State coaching badge is an old qualification. Often a state TD would have a state coaching badge. This would enable him to take community football coaching courses - Grassroots Certificates, Junior, Youth and Senior Licences. Advanced coaching courses are C , B, A and Pro Licences. A League senior coaches have to have a minimum of an A Licence.
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victory_12345678910 wrote:Read somewhere today that a coach had his state coaching badge and is currently completng his FFA 'A' level badge, I have never heard of these badges before can someone please claify?
Edited by victory_12345678910: 18/5/2012 07:15:16 AM these guys got converted to 'B' and having seen them in action you would have to question the coaching content of the FFA . But hey mint loads of qualified coaches and Berger cross etc must be doing a good job then.
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I've read somewhere that Draupnir is doing a FFA Senior Licence soon.
Good luck and provide plenty of detail in this thread about it.:)
I'm inquiring about KNVB for next year, but can't find any info on the KNVB site. There is a US travel group going to Holland for this August.
The KNVB run a training certificate with B and A Licence content in English for about 10 days once a year.
It will be interesting to compare my 7 day KNVB Youth Training Certificate with the FFA C Licence when I do it in October.
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dirkvanadidas wrote:victory_12345678910 wrote:Read somewhere today that a coach had his state coaching badge and is currently completng his FFA 'A' level badge, I have never heard of these badges before can someone please claify?
Edited by victory_12345678910: 18/5/2012 07:15:16 AM these guys got converted to 'B' and having seen them in action you would have to question the coaching content of the FFA . But hey mint loads of qualified coaches and Berger cross etc must be doing a good job then. We have a couple who occasionally post on here who are frustrated about not getting paid work. I've also been contacted by others via PM, who are in the same boat. There are not many paid jobs in football in Australia.
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Did the Senior License courses earlier this year. Wasn't that happy with it, got a little bit of advice on my communication but that's about it in terms of what I feel I got out of it. Plus I'm still waiting on the FFV to send me certificates and paper work and that's about 4 months down the track.
Would be quite interested in the AFC C license and taking part in a KNVB course, so this thread is great.
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krisskrash wrote:Did the Senior License courses earlier this year. Wasn't that happy with it, got a little bit of advice on my communication but that's about it in terms of what I feel I got out of it. Plus I'm still waiting on the FFV to send me certificates and paper work and that's about 4 months down the track.
Would be quite interested in the AFC C license and taking part in a KNVB course, so this thread is great. Hey krisskrash, thanks for the input. I have enrolled into both the senior certificates and license courses. They start in about 6 weeks. I am not exactly sure what to expect from them but I will post my opinions about them afterwards. How would you describe the assessment task for the senior license? I am a little nervous about it (slightly shy!). At the moment for this thread I am working with information from with English FA and the UEFA courses. Ironically the UEFA B residential course is cheaper and longer than the FFA C license.
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Post updated with English FA and KNVB information.
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Post updated with Swedish (SvFF) and French (FFF) information.
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Decentric wrote:dirkvanadidas wrote:victory_12345678910 wrote:Read somewhere today that a coach had his state coaching badge and is currently completng his FFA 'A' level badge, I have never heard of these badges before can someone please claify?
Edited by victory_12345678910: 18/5/2012 07:15:16 AM these guys got converted to 'B' and having seen them in action you would have to question the coaching content of the FFA . But hey mint loads of qualified coaches and Berger cross etc must be doing a good job then. We have a couple who occasionally post on here who are frustrated about not getting paid work. I've also been contacted by others via PM, who are in the same boat. There are not many paid jobs in football in Australia. If we could change the model for local clubs there would be a lot more paid jobs.
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krones3 wrote:Decentric wrote:dirkvanadidas wrote:victory_12345678910 wrote:Read somewhere today that a coach had his state coaching badge and is currently completng his FFA 'A' level badge, I have never heard of these badges before can someone please claify?
Edited by victory_12345678910: 18/5/2012 07:15:16 AM these guys got converted to 'B' and having seen them in action you would have to question the coaching content of the FFA . But hey mint loads of qualified coaches and Berger cross etc must be doing a good job then. We have a couple who occasionally post on here who are frustrated about not getting paid work. I've also been contacted by others via PM, who are in the same boat. There are not many paid jobs in football in Australia. If we could change the model for local clubs there would be a lot more paid jobs. It's a sad situation, but I really don't think the infrastructure is there for more (and higer) paid jobs to become available. When there are essentially 11 decently paying jobs for somebody who holds say, a UEFA Pro Diploma, in this country due to infrastructure.. Not much can be done.
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For those wanting an English speaking UEFA qualification , look at the Irish FA (northern ireland) . They are apparantly less difficult to pass, might explain Jim Magilton then.
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Updated with Spanish (RFEF) information.
Thanks for that information Dirk! I will start collecting the Irish FA/Northern Irish FA stuff right now.
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Draupnir wrote:Post updated with English FA and KNVB information. Thanks mate. I've just emailed the KNVB. If the French did one in English that would be good too.
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This is a brilliant thread for info on courses, Draupnir.=d>
I might submit a request that it becomes a sticky.
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Decentric wrote:Draupnir wrote:Post updated with English FA and KNVB information. Thanks mate. I've just emailed the KNVB. If the French did one in English that would be good too. No worries :) Would be amazing if the French had *any* courses in English! The English FA seem to be on the right track though. Time will tell :)
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Updated with Irish (FAI) and Northern Irish (IFA) information.
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Could some one please explain to me what actually takes place during the following courses. What type of assessment/ grading and also the pass/ failure rate. Also what is the cost to complete them. THANKS
Grass Roots Certicficate
Junior Licence
Youth Licence
Senior Licence
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Roar #1 wrote:Could some one please explain to me what actually takes place during the following courses. What type of assessment/ grading and also the pass/ failure rate. Also what is the cost to complete them. THANKS
Grass Roots Certicficate
Junior Licence
Youth Licence
Senior Licence
Edited by roar #1: 22/5/2012 10:17:58 PM Grass Roots Certificate - takes 2 - 2 hours 30 minutes. A certificate is awarded. There is no test. It costs nothing. Junior Licence- I'm not sure how long it takes. It costs money, probably about $100. Youth Licence - used to take three days. It used to cost about $150. Senior Licence - used to take four days. It would cost around $200. Advanced Courses cost a fortune. Centalised C Licences cost about $3500 to $5000. They take about 2 weeks. Locally organised C Licence only costs $1600.
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Roar #1 wrote:Could some one please explain to me what actually takes place during the following courses. What type of assessment/ grading and also the pass/ failure rate. Also what is the cost to complete them. THANKS
Grass Roots Certicficate
Junior Licence
Youth Licence
Senior Licence
Edited by roar #1: 22/5/2012 10:17:58 PM Grass Roots Certificate - takes 2 - 2 hours 30 minutes. A certificate is awarded. There is no test. It costs nothing. Junior Licence- I'm not sure how long it takes. It costs money, probably about $100. Youth Licence - used to take three days. It used to cost about $150. Senior Licence - used to take four days. It would cost around $200. Assessments usually comprise a set task- passing, shooting, dribbling. Then one has to prepare an exercise that deals with the coaching task. One often has to use other players in the course as the players in the assessment. Advanced Courses cost a fortune. Centalised C Licences cost about $3500 to $5000. They take about 2 weeks. Locally organised C Licence only costs $1600.
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Would just like to add to the info that Decentric provided that if you're looking at moving on to do the Advanced Courses Roar #1, there are no set prerequisites, it's only recommended that you complete at least one of the lower level courses. Best option would probably be to do all of them :)
I've just enrolled in the Senior Certificate I, II and Senior License as a bundle. It is held over 3 days and cost me $190.
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Thanks guys for the help so far. I am just starting to look at getting some formal qualifications. I have been coaching for the last 4 years, I am 20 now and I have been coaching my brothers div 1 club team (he is 3yrs younger then me) I am now coaching a team at my brothers school and I would like to take some courses so that I could eventually coach a top division 14/15 yr old club team. Just a couple more questions What level would the senior license allow me to coach at? Also would many top division junior coaches have say a C license or higher?
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Roar #1 wrote: Also would many top division junior coaches have say a C license or higher?
Good question. Not in Tasmania - yet. I've recently seen an accredited FFA B Licence coach do some unadulterated rubbish on the training track -total anathema to the National Curriculum - with a split state league men's senior team. One of the best local coaches I've seen, who is unknown to many, only has a FFA Senior Licence. He coaches a women's split state league senior team. His qualifications are two steps lower than the coach using awful stuff. I've picked up some excellent stuff from him.
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The senior license is intended for coaching amateur players and clubs. You should essentially see it as a stepping stone to the C license. The Senior License isn't so much a "formal qualification" as opposed to "training". Think of it as TAFE and university level degrees. While they have courses that focus on the same area, the amount of information and the assessment tasks are tailored to a higher level. Krisskrash mentioned on the first page that he completed the Senior License and wasn't too happy with it. Maybe he can shed some more light on his experiences?
When are you planning on doing the Senior License, Roar #1?
I would hazard a guess that not many top junior division coaches would have the C license, simply because it's a new thing, but I honestly don't know. Perhaps someone else in here knows a bit more about how common it is?
If you held a C license and planned to coach a top division junior side, I think you would be well on your way to being right up there with the highest qualified coaches in the junior league (Outside the A-League clubs, of course).
Contact your club (and other clubs in the division) and simply ask about what badges the managers and coaches for specific teams hold. It's a fair question and if anything they would want to advertise how qualified their coaches are :)
Good luck!
Edit: Thanks Decentric!
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Roar #1 wrote:Thanks guys for the help so far. If you have no FFA qualifications, I'd recommend the Grass Roots certificate. One gets a lot of info in the time, it is free and only takes two hours. They provide a handbook too.
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I dont think there are many part time youth coaches who hold advanced qualifications in Australia, from experience maybe 2-3 per age group in each state.
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Exactly victory, there wouldn't be much point in going for a position like that with advanced qualifications.
Post updated with New Zealand Football (NZF) information. Don't want to leave our lovely neighbours out :)
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Quote:When are you planning on doing the Senior License, Roar #1? I guess I might start working through them over the next couple of years. I am not really in any hurry. I will have a coaching position open for me at my brothers school for as long as I want it. Bonus is it pays $800 for 8 games and 8 training sessions. Quote:If you have no FFA qualifications, I'd recommend the Grass Roots certificate Yes I will work through all of the certificates. Quote:dont think there are many part time youth coaches who hold advanced qualifications in Australia, from experience maybe 2-3 per age group in each state Quote:Exactly victory, there wouldn't be much point in going for a position like that with advanced qualifications There are 2 main reasons I would go for an advanced qualification; firstly, Just my own personal enjoyment/ developement and secondly, gives me a better chance of moving onto higher level club and rep teams.
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As Decentric mentioned, the Grass Roots certificate goes for 2-3 hours only and is free. If you click on the Community Course Pathway List and Information provided in the FFA section in my post, it lists all of the certificates and courses that are being run.
There are quite a few Grass Roots courses being run in Queensland - There's one in Brisbane next month, on a Saturday. Check them out! Good luck :)
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Would be keen to find out the prerequisites for a VCL (Victorian Champions League) coach, If anyone could help me out?
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Decentric wrote:Roar #1 wrote:Thanks guys for the help so far. If you have no FFA qualifications, I'd recommend the Grass Roots certificate. One gets a lot of info in the time, it is free and only takes two hours. They provide a handbook too. Hey Decentric, I'd be careful recommending these Grass Roots certificate to just anyone, anywhere. The problem I have found is that what is presented and how is entirely dependent on the facilitator. Some are inclined to stay inside for a lot of it and use pictures, whiteboards or blackboards for demos, especially if the course is 'after hours'. The ideal presentation will be on the pitch, hands on (so to speak) for the entirety. Not many do this, I have heard that a Tasmanian Southern development officer does an excellent job. Check around and find out from a reputable source if the facilitator does a decent job, however if you have played and coached for a while skip the grassroots and go straight into the junior license and certificate. The grassroots could well be a waste of time for anyone that has done some practical coaching.
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victory_12345678910 wrote:Would be keen to find out the prerequisites for a VCL (Victorian Champions League) coach, If anyone could help me out? Hey victory, thanks for the question. Just had a look for you, and here is a direct quote from FFV. Quote: -Candidates applying to be: a junior competition coach (U13 – U17 age groups, boys or girls) must have a minimum FFA Youth Licence, or AFC ‘C’ Licence preferred; - a senior competition coach (U17 men’s or Open women’s teams) must have a minimum FFA Senior Licence, or AFC ‘C’ Licence preferred; - an assistant coach (at either junior or senior level) must have (at least) an FFA Youth Licence. -A candidate applying to be a senior level coach (for U17 men’s or women’s teams) will be considered if he/she currently holds an FFA Senior Licence or AFC ‘C’ Licence preferred. Candidates must provide a satisfactory ‘Working With Children Check’.
Desirable Criteria
a first aid certificate Note that if a coach (of any team at any level in the VCL) does not hold a first aid certificate, a suitably qualified first aid person must be in attendance at all games and training sessions. 2 years’ coaching experience; and computer literacy.
So it all depends on which position you are looking at going for. The FFA C Licence would be your best bet, but as it says, you can get away with a Youth or Senior licence depending on the position. If you have any other questions, fire away :)
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Number Fourteen wrote:Decentric wrote:Roar #1 wrote:Thanks guys for the help so far. If you have no FFA qualifications, I'd recommend the Grass Roots certificate. One gets a lot of info in the time, it is free and only takes two hours. They provide a handbook too. Hey Decentric, I'd be careful recommending these Grass Roots certificate to just anyone, anywhere. The problem I have found is that what is presented and how is entirely dependent on the facilitator. Some are inclined to stay inside for a lot of it and use pictures, whiteboards or blackboards for demos, especially if the course is 'after hours'. The ideal presentation will be on the pitch, hands on (so to speak) for the entirety. Not many do this, I have heard that a Tasmanian Southern development officer does an excellent job. Check around and find out from a reputable source if the facilitator does a decent job, however if you have played and coached for a while skip the grassroots and go straight into the junior license and certificate. The grassroots could well be a waste of time for anyone that has done some practical coaching. Good point. I'm disgusted with some of what you've said occurs in Grass Roots courses elsewhere. I'm not going to mention the Southern Tasmanian Development Officer's name, because I'm getting to know him. I think he is doing an outstanding job in most capacities he is involved in. Sometimes he has too much work on his plate. I'm not sure some of his state FFA colleagues now appreciate how tough his job is in schools. I did a session for two hours in a tough school yesterday to access migrant communities. I've been a teacher of 26-27 years experience. I had a shocker of a class first up. He does this every day without being a trained teacher. He has gone into all the other 17 or so tough schools too. If he does high schools as well one can add another dozen tough ones to his workload. We will probably be working together a bit in the imminent future too. I've covered his back to other organisations frustrated with state FFA. I'm very impressed with his work in SAP too. One had to drag his predecessor out of the FFA office. Our state FFA Development Officer's Grass Roots sessions are all hands on throughout the session. As a club TD I organised 14 coaches to do a Grass Roots course yesterday. Maybe we have a very good instructor down here. How come you know so much about Grass Root courses around the country? I have a feeling I know you in person.;) Edited by Decentric: 23/5/2012 10:35:15 PM
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Have just been in contact with the Football Association of Singapore (FAS) in regards to non-citizens enrolling in AFC courses there. Priority is given to Singaporean citizens and permanent residents and they will only offer course placements to non-citizens/non-residents if all spots have not been taken up.
Hoping to hear from some other associations in the near future about similar circumstances. Will update when I get any information.
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Your doing a great job in this thread Draupnir!
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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Thanks Ashnak! On a bit of a break from university stuff and I really want to get into coaching/management and realised that it was actually pretty difficult and/or time consuming to just get one's hands on the information. Hopefully this will just make it easier for everyone. I for one have already used it as a shortcut to find some things so that says enough I suppose :)
Are you interested in coaching/management? Have you done any courses?
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Have been in contact with the Malaysian Football Association (FAM) about the AFC C License. The C license is conducted on request of the State Associations, and you need to pass a 4 day "D" course to be admitted. They only have maximum 24 places for these courses and I'm not even sure if they do them in English, still waiting for a bit more information.
Will let you guys know!
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Draupnir wrote:Thanks Ashnak! On a bit of a break from university stuff and I really want to get into coaching/management and realised that it was actually pretty difficult and/or time consuming to just get one's hands on the information. Hopefully this will just make it easier for everyone. I for one have already used it as a shortcut to find some things so that says enough I suppose :)
Are you interested in coaching/management? Have you done any courses?
Edited by Draupnir: 24/5/2012 02:33:01 PM I am interested in doing the basic coaching badges, the ones run in SA I have heard pretty good things about and they are run regularly. I haven't done any coaching at this stage but I am fascinated by the tactics and techniques of football :) I honestly hope you are successful in your pursuit of a coaching career, well educated coaches are the missing link at the moment.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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General Ashnak wrote:Draupnir wrote:Thanks Ashnak! On a bit of a break from university stuff and I really want to get into coaching/management and realised that it was actually pretty difficult and/or time consuming to just get one's hands on the information. Hopefully this will just make it easier for everyone. I for one have already used it as a shortcut to find some things so that says enough I suppose :)
Are you interested in coaching/management? Have you done any courses?
Edited by Draupnir: 24/5/2012 02:33:01 PM I am interested in doing the basic coaching badges, the ones run in SA I have heard pretty good things about and they are run regularly. I haven't done any coaching at this stage but I am fascinated by the tactics and techniques of football :) I honestly hope you are successful in your pursuit of a coaching career, well educated coaches are the missing link at the moment. You should go along and do them, some of the ones here in NSW are actually free, even the senior license and youth license. When I get around to it, I'm going to update the main post with information about the individual state associations as they run the regional variants of the FFA C course, which is less than half price as well. Keep checking back! I was thinking about starting up some sort of tactics thread in the performance section because it seems to be completely missing. Lots of talk about technique and that kind of thing, but no actual "deep tactics" discussion is going on. I suppose it might be best left for the experts, but hey, my Championship/Football Manager profiles since CM03/04 aren't doing too badly, haha! Thanks for the well wishes. I've always been interested in the management side of football, so I guess we'll see if I am up to it! Hope you give it a go too! Hopefully the people (me included) will keep this thread updated on their progress, results and thoughts about the courses they've taken.
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General Ashnak wrote:Your doing a great job in this thread Draupnir! Agree.
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Draupnir wrote:General Ashnak wrote:Draupnir wrote:Thanks Ashnak! On a bit of a break from university stuff and I really want to get into coaching/management and realised that it was actually pretty difficult and/or time consuming to just get one's hands on the information. Hopefully this will just make it easier for everyone. I for one have already used it as a shortcut to find some things so that says enough I suppose :)
Are you interested in coaching/management? Have you done any courses?
Edited by Draupnir: 24/5/2012 02:33:01 PM I am interested in doing the basic coaching badges, the ones run in SA I have heard pretty good things about and they are run regularly. I haven't done any coaching at this stage but I am fascinated by the tactics and techniques of football :) I honestly hope you are successful in your pursuit of a coaching career, well educated coaches are the missing link at the moment. You should go along and do them, some of the ones here in NSW are actually free, even the senior license and youth license. When I get around to it, I'm going to update the main post with information about the individual state associations as they run the regional variants of the FFA C course, which is less than half price as well. Keep checking back! I was thinking about starting up some sort of tactics thread in the performance section because it seems to be completely missing. Lots of talk about technique and that kind of thing, but no actual "deep tactics" discussion is going on. I suppose it might be best left for the experts, but hey, my Championship/Football Manager profiles since CM03/04 aren't doing too badly, haha! Thanks for the well wishes. I've always been interested in the management side of football, so I guess we'll see if I am up to it! Hope you give it a go too! Hopefully the people (me included) will keep this thread updated on their progress, results and thoughts about the courses they've taken. It is really good what you've done here, Draupnir. This is becoming a pretty comprehensive resource for coaches. I've emailed the KNVB asking for details about the 2013 English Language course, but have heard nothing in response. I wonder whether my old contact there has retired as there have been no replies from his email address in the last few years.
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Decentric wrote:Draupnir wrote:General Ashnak wrote:Draupnir wrote:Thanks Ashnak! On a bit of a break from university stuff and I really want to get into coaching/management and realised that it was actually pretty difficult and/or time consuming to just get one's hands on the information. Hopefully this will just make it easier for everyone. I for one have already used it as a shortcut to find some things so that says enough I suppose :)
Are you interested in coaching/management? Have you done any courses?
Edited by Draupnir: 24/5/2012 02:33:01 PM I am interested in doing the basic coaching badges, the ones run in SA I have heard pretty good things about and they are run regularly. I haven't done any coaching at this stage but I am fascinated by the tactics and techniques of football :) I honestly hope you are successful in your pursuit of a coaching career, well educated coaches are the missing link at the moment. You should go along and do them, some of the ones here in NSW are actually free, even the senior license and youth license. When I get around to it, I'm going to update the main post with information about the individual state associations as they run the regional variants of the FFA C course, which is less than half price as well. Keep checking back! I was thinking about starting up some sort of tactics thread in the performance section because it seems to be completely missing. Lots of talk about technique and that kind of thing, but no actual "deep tactics" discussion is going on. I suppose it might be best left for the experts, but hey, my Championship/Football Manager profiles since CM03/04 aren't doing too badly, haha! Thanks for the well wishes. I've always been interested in the management side of football, so I guess we'll see if I am up to it! Hope you give it a go too! Hopefully the people (me included) will keep this thread updated on their progress, results and thoughts about the courses they've taken. It is really good what you've done here, Draupnir. This is becoming a pretty comprehensive resource for coaches. I've emailed the KNVB asking for details about the 2013 English Language course, but have heard nothing in response. I wonder whether my old contact there has retired as there have been no replies from his email address in the last few years. Thanks again Decentric, it's appreciated. Still a lot of work left to go though! It's a pity you can't get in contact with him, would be good to know what the deal is with the specifically English language courses over there. Let me know if you get a response or any information. I've mailed a few associations/federations in the last week and am awaiting replies. Mostly Asian federations (As it's a lot cheaper and quicker for Aussies to get over there and get them done), asking about the situation with English courses and requirements for non-citizens. No terribly great news as of yet - unsurprisingly local candidates are favoured over foreigners - but maybe a diamond in the rough will turn up. I might try and get in contact with someone from the KNVB about English courses, although I have absolutely no contacts over there.
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Still haven't heard from the KNVB. I'll send another email.
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Decentric wrote:Still haven't heard from the KNVB. I'll send another email. Let me know of the results (if any..) I sent one off to the KNVB last week. Got a reply but only to inform me that they had forwarded it to somebody a bit more relevant. Will post any information I get from the reply.
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Updated with (the very little) information from FNSW, FQ, FFV and FSA. Will add the others in a little while!
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Ironically this info has come to me through an FFA official. A number must visit this site because he asked me if I'd made a comment about FFA C Licence costs on here.
The regional FFA C Licences cost $1600 wherever they are. The one in West Australia is the same as the one in Tasmania. So if you do a regional C Licence in your state, rather than a centralised one, you will probably save $3000 or more.
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Thanks for that Decentric.
The one drawback about the regional C Licence is that I am quite sure the days are staggered over a number of weeks/months. That coupled with the fact that they are held in rural areas (travelling money, accommodation money) leads me to think that there wouldn't be a massive advantage after all. If you know of, or hear of a regional C licence course that isn't staggered (ie; residential) it'd be amazing if you let us know!
Good to hear that people off the forum are getting access to this!
PS; No reply from the KNVB yet. Frustrating!
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Draupnir wrote:Thanks for that Decentric.
The one drawback about the regional C Licence is that I am quite sure the days are staggered over a number of weeks/months. That coupled with the fact that they are held in rural areas (travelling money, accommodation money) leads me to think that there wouldn't be a massive advantage after all. If you know of, or hear of a regional C licence course that isn't staggered (ie; residential) it'd be amazing if you let us know!
Good to hear that people off the forum are getting access to this!
PS; No reply from the KNVB yet. Frustrating!
Edited by Draupnir: 1/6/2012 03:56:12 PM The course is only a few kilometres away from where I live. It is convenient. I'd prefer the staggered course. Apart from the KNVB course I did, I'm only too pleased when we reach the end of the day at most FFA courses. I think a lot more people check this website than you think. I know of two FFA staff coaches who do. We also had former FFA Technical Director and Perth Glory senior coach, Ron Smith, who posted a few comments on here.
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I did a FFA Goalkeeping Certificate a few weeks ago.
The FFA Goalkeeping Licence is the same except that you are assessed. We had both combined in the course I did.
If I had been assessed I would have struggled. I find it hard to focus on the keeper all the time, when a game is on. I can't help but watch general play, so I gave a number of incorrect observations.
The course was very technical. Some saves require a different grip from times of old. One thing I learnt was that 80% of keepers' touches are with the feet, not hands.
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I did a First Aid Certificate last weekend. This is a precursory qualification for a Sports Trainers Level 1 Certificate.
When Gregory Parker posted his training sessions, I realised I knew nothing about sports medicine and anatomy.
I have to do the CPR assessment again. I applied so much force, according to the instructor, I would have broken someone's ribs!:oops:
When I was doing the First Aid Certificate, I thought it is better to have someone being responsible for first aid instead of the coach combining the two roles. The instructor taking the course is paid as a sports trainer for aerial ping pong.
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I have been doing a little bit of research and came across a document saying that an AFC C license will be recognised the same as a UEFA C license. I then went on to research the UEFA C license but couldnt find any infomation on it, It was then brought to my attention that it was called a FA level 2 certificate in coaching. This course however looks the same as out senior license course with a duration of 75 hours and a 35 minute assessment , my question is how does this compare with a AFC C license which is more similiar to a UEFA B license?
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Too bad about the First Aid Certificate Decentric - I'm sure second time around you'll do it. I've got mine later this month so will let everyone know how I go :)
Victory - From what I have gathered, this is the basic structure of the licences.
UEFA Pro Diploma = AFC Pro Diploma UEFA A = AFC A = FFA A UEFA B = AFC B = FFA B UEFA C (FA Level 2, other nationally recognised badges) = AFC C = FFA C FA Level 1 = FFA Community Licences FA introductory courses = FFA Community Certificates
The C courses are the introductory courses for the advanced streams in the UEFA and AFC confederations. UEFA countries sort out their own individual prerequisites and attainment levels for the "C" courses, and only at the B level does it really become universally unified. The AFC C level is different in that it is unified throughout the entire region.
The FFA senior license is only a "grassroots" certification. It can help you land a job coaching a community team, school side, regional side, but to make the step up to state/national level you're going to need the official AFC/UEFA C badge minimum. I would compare any of the FFA community courses as on par (speaking solely of the recognitions) with the FA Level 1 badge - That is, they're where one has to work up from to get in to the C badges (Or FA Level 2).
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Just got this today. Thinking about it. But don't know if I can afford almost 2k in fees. Course Details: AFC/FFA 'C' Licence - Victoria Date(s) 19 October 2012 to 2 February 2013 Specifically October 2012 - 19th, 20th, 21st, 26th, 27th November 2012 - 2nd, 3rd, 16th, 17th, 18th, 20th, 22nd, 30th February 2013 - 1st, 2nd Time(s) Weeknights: 6pm – 9.30pm. Weekends: 9am – 5.30pm Location: State Football Centre – 281 Darebin Road, Thornbury, Victoria, 3071 Cost: $1,980 (including GST) Where to from here? 1. Check the above dates and times! Are you available to attend all sessions? Ensure you can attend on all dates and times from 6pm – 9.30pm on weeknights or 9am – 5.30pm on the weekends scheduled. You will not be allowed to proceed with the course if you miss part of it – NO EXCEPTIONS – you will need to go on a future course if this happens. 2. Confirm your availability to attend the course by COB Wed 20 June, 2012 via return email to Anthony Grima – agrima@footballfedvic.com.au. We will need to know how many of the current applicants are available for selection before deciding on which candidates will be included in the course. 3. Wait for a decision! After the application process closes on July 27, we will contact all applicants with a decision. There is no pre-requisite to apply for this course but if the course becomes over-subscribed (i.e. there are more applicants that places), then coaches with greater playing and/or coaching experience will be given preference. If you are not successful in getting a place on the course, we will endeavor to place you on a future course, but there are no guarantees. All applicants will receive communication of a decision either way. 4. How to pay for the course (if selected) After July 27 and if you are successful in achieving a place on the course, then you will be expected to pay for the course, prior to commencement. The cost of the course is $1,980 (incl GST). For most of you, this cost would be different than the previous course fee of $1,650 which was advertised before the price change by FFA.
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Thanks for that info Kriss. It's pretty pricey. Is Thornbury hard to get to from Melbourne?
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Not at all, maybe 20 minutes out of the CBD. Plus everyone involved in football has either played their, coached a game their, or watched a game their at least once.
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krisskrash wrote:Not at all, maybe 20 minutes out of the CBD. Plus everyone involved in football has either played their, coached a game their, or watched a game their at least once. You should go for it if you can get the cash! Thread updated with more information about the OFC. Official websites for federations added.
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Updated state level information and Australian information. There's now a link to a document in the Australian section describing what course/badge is required to manage or coach at any given level within Australia. Check it out.
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Latest England FA UEfA B course, all 17 candidates failed. Either they have shit coaches or more likely very piss poor coach educators and assessors.
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dirkvanadidas wrote:Latest England FA UEfA B course, all 17 candidates failed. Either they have shit coaches or more likely very piss poor coach educators and assessors. Wow! Do you have a link to an article or anything? I am going over to England in September/October to do a few courses (Emergency First Aid, Children's Safety, FA Level 1) so I will report back on it then. All of those are community courses though, so not the same assessors.
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WOW! What an excellent thread Draupnir. You have done a fantastic job on finding all that information.
I just discovered this "sticky" today, I can only forgive myself as you started it while I was away.
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krisskrash wrote:Just got this today. Thinking about it. But don't know if I can afford almost 2k in fees. Course Details: AFC/FFA 'C' Licence - Victoria Date(s) 19 October 2012 to 2 February 2013 Specifically October 2012 - 19th, 20th, 21st, 26th, 27th November 2012 - 2nd, 3rd, 16th, 17th, 18th, 20th, 22nd, 30th February 2013 - 1st, 2nd Time(s) Weeknights: 6pm – 9.30pm. Weekends: 9am – 5.30pm Location: State Football Centre – 281 Darebin Road, Thornbury, Victoria, 3071 Cost: $1,980 (including GST) Where to from here? 1. Check the above dates and times! Are you available to attend all sessions? Ensure you can attend on all dates and times from 6pm – 9.30pm on weeknights or 9am – 5.30pm on the weekends scheduled. You will not be allowed to proceed with the course if you miss part of it – NO EXCEPTIONS – you will need to go on a future course if this happens. 2. Confirm your availability to attend the course by COB Wed 20 June, 2012 via return email to Anthony Grima – agrima@footballfedvic.com.au. We will need to know how many of the current applicants are available for selection before deciding on which candidates will be included in the course. 3. Wait for a decision! After the application process closes on July 27, we will contact all applicants with a decision. There is no pre-requisite to apply for this course but if the course becomes over-subscribed (i.e. there are more applicants that places), then coaches with greater playing and/or coaching experience will be given preference. If you are not successful in getting a place on the course, we will endeavor to place you on a future course, but there are no guarantees. All applicants will receive communication of a decision either way. 4. How to pay for the course (if selected) After July 27 and if you are successful in achieving a place on the course, then you will be expected to pay for the course, prior to commencement. The cost of the course is $1,980 (incl GST). For most of you, this cost would be different than the previous course fee of $1,650 which was advertised before the price change by FFA. It is still only $1650 here. I spoke to the state FFA TD about people coming from other states. He seemed quite keen, but given it is now being broken up into so many separate days it is not feasible for coaches to travel interstate. I can see too many weekend days being taken up with it. I'm still going to do it though, although I've already spent 4 days doing FFA Grass Roots, FFA Goalkeeping Certificate, First Aid and Sports Trainer Level 1 this year. I'm already sick of them. The Grass Roots has easily been the best. Conversely, I did 8 days of KNVB Youth Certificate and every day was brilliant. The instructors, methodology and course content was light years in front of anything else I've done. I think First Aid and Sports Trainer should be done by someone involved in a club who is not coaching. There is a lot of responsibility and it hasn't helped as much with coaching as I was hoping it would. My main concern is helping older players warm up and warm down, all with a ball, but without causing injury.
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[quote= My main concern is helping older players warm up and warm down, all with a ball, but without causing injury.[/quote] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Warm-Ups-Soccer-Dynamic-Approach/dp/1591640288/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340685148&sr=1-1gets given out on FFF course
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Just attended a FFA Community Skills Acquisition and Mentoring Program 90 minute session put on by state FFA. There was no cost.
It was taken by one of the biggest name coaches, third in the national FFA hierarchy - Norm Boardman. I've always had a soft spot for Norm for failing 442's, in fact football forums across Australia's top troller, in his refresher FFA Youth Licence!=d>
Some of NB's session had been covered in the state SAP trainer's coaching sessions. This is a pilot session being shown around Australia to encourage coaches to do the SAP courses/licences which will be offered later in the year.
It was one of the best sessions I've attended this year through FFA. Unfortunately, we only had about 6 coaches attending. This is appalling and a reflection of an ignorant attitude from too many local coaches.](*,) There was a lot of work on warm ups through dribbling and juggling, covered in Alfred Galustian's Skill Drills in this Performance section. Then there was some 1v1 shooting attacking and defending exercise. This is where they were too many inactive players, which the state TD also fully endorsed.
One comment I posed to NB is that he had players inactively standing in lines. I suggested that they do stationary ball techniques whilst waiting for active play. He took it on board and said that that had been something he learnt from the session. As a corollary, he said that coaches should see every session as a learning opportunity. Fair play to him. He asked me what my occupation was, then stated that teaching provided great insight into football coaching.
There was some useful 3v3 SSGs in channels coaching. It is early difficult to explain on here, but I'll keep a look out for it in Dirk's Academy Sessions.
Of the courses I've done this year, I'd recommend this session to any other coaches if it is offered near you. One thing that has become very apparent is that now I'm a TD, my club officials send me all sorts of info about imminent FFA courses. When I was operating outside the FFA system, I often missed events because I didn't know they were on.
If you find it difficult to access your local SAP trainer's sessions, then this community SAP and Mentoring session is worthwhile. Then again, we have an excellent SAP trainer down here. They may not be as good elsewhere.
I can see massive changes for the better with Han Berger's tenure. Unfortunately, it will only be appraised on the results of our top 20 or so players. I think it may be very difficult to match Japan, Korea and China in the coming years from what FFA staff coaches say they see in these countries. We probably have the best coaching system in the English as a first language speaking world, now, but it may not be enough to guarantee success.
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Decentric wrote:Just attended a FFA Community Skills Acquisition and Mentoring Program 90 minute session put on by state FFA. There was no cost.
It was taken by one of the biggest name coaches, third in the national FFA hierarchy - Norm Boardman. I've always had a soft spot for Norm for failing 442's, in fact Australian football forums' top troller, in his refresher FFA Youth Licence!=d>
Some of NB's session had been covered in the state SAP trainer's coaching sessions. This is a pilot session being shown around Australia to encourage coaches to do the SAP courses/licences which will be offered later in the year.
It was one of the best sessions I've attended this year through FFA. Unfortunately, we only had about 6 coaches attending. This is appalling and a reflection of an ignorant attitude from too many local coaches.](*,) There was a lot of work on warm ups through dribbling and juggling, covered in Alfred Galustian's Skill Drills in this Performance section. Then there was some 1v1 shooting attacking and defending exercise. This is where they were too many inactive players, which the state TD also fully endorsed.
One comment I posed to NB is that he had players inactively standing in lines. I suggested that they do stationary ball techniques whilst waiting for active play. He took it on board and said that that had been something he learnt from the session. As a corollary, he said that coaches should see every session as a learning opportunity. Fair play to him. He asked me what my occupation was, then stated that teaching provided great insight into football coaching.
There was some useful 3v3 SSGs in channels coaching. It is early difficult to explain on here, but I'll keep a look out for it in Dirk's Academy Sessions.
Of the courses I've done this year, I'd recommend this session to any other coaches if it is offered near you. One thing that has become very apparent is that now I'm a TD, my club officials send me all sorts of info about imminent FFA courses. When I was operating outside the FFA system, I often missed events because I didn't know they were on.
If you find it difficult to access your local SAP trainer's sessions, then this community SAP and Mentoring session is worthwhile. Then again, we have an excellent SAP trainer down here. They may not be as good elsewhere.
I can see massive changes for the better with Han Berger's tenure. Unfortunately, it will only be appraised on the results of our top 20 or so players. I think it may be very difficult to match Japan, Korea and China in the coming years from what FFA staff coaches say they see in these countries. We probably have the best coaching system in the English as a first language speaking world, now, but it may not be enough to guarantee success.
Edited by Decentric: 3/7/2012 07:18:56 PM Interesting views decentric. So are you trying to say that regardless of these changes happening, it wont make a difference when challenging with Japan, Korea in the future?
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Thanks to the efforts of Bill and ken Mitchell the coaching has improved up here since the departure of you know who. But today i was talking with some coaches today and one major problem we are having is getting the players to use skills (ie step overs) in a game. How are you going with that decentric?
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Barca4Life wrote:Decentric wrote:Just attended a FFA Community Skills Acquisition and Mentoring Program 90 minute session put on by state FFA. There was no cost.
It was taken by one of the biggest name coaches, third in the national FFA hierarchy - Norm Boardman. I've always had a soft spot for Norm for failing 442's, in fact Australian football forums' top troller, in his refresher FFA Youth Licence!=d>
Some of NB's session had been covered in the state SAP trainer's coaching sessions. This is a pilot session being shown around Australia to encourage coaches to do the SAP courses/licences which will be offered later in the year.
It was one of the best sessions I've attended this year through FFA. Unfortunately, we only had about 6 coaches attending. This is appalling and a reflection of an ignorant attitude from too many local coaches.](*,) There was a lot of work on warm ups through dribbling and juggling, covered in Alfred Galustian's Skill Drills in this Performance section. Then there was some 1v1 shooting attacking and defending exercise. This is where they were too many inactive players, which the state TD also fully endorsed.
One comment I posed to NB is that he had players inactively standing in lines. I suggested that they do stationary ball techniques whilst waiting for active play. He took it on board and said that that had been something he learnt from the session. As a corollary, he said that coaches should see every session as a learning opportunity. Fair play to him. He asked me what my occupation was, then stated that teaching provided great insight into football coaching.
There was some useful 3v3 SSGs in channels coaching. It is early difficult to explain on here, but I'll keep a look out for it in Dirk's Academy Sessions.
Of the courses I've done this year, I'd recommend this session to any other coaches if it is offered near you. One thing that has become very apparent is that now I'm a TD, my club officials send me all sorts of info about imminent FFA courses. When I was operating outside the FFA system, I often missed events because I didn't know they were on.
If you find it difficult to access your local SAP trainer's sessions, then this community SAP and Mentoring session is worthwhile. Then again, we have an excellent SAP trainer down here. They may not be as good elsewhere.
I can see massive changes for the better with Han Berger's tenure. Unfortunately, it will only be appraised on the results of our top 20 or so players. I think it may be very difficult to match Japan, Korea and China in the coming years from what FFA staff coaches say they see in these countries. We probably have the best coaching system in the English as a first language speaking world, now, but it may not be enough to guarantee success.
Edited by Decentric: 3/7/2012 07:18:56 PM Interesting views decentric. So are you trying to say that regardless of these changes happening, it wont make a difference when challenging with Japan, Korea in the future? According to FFA staff coaches, who I'm getting to know quite well since I've become TD at a club, because this is such a small state, in Japan players train three times per day. I think I'm correct, or it may be twice a day at the very least. What they are saying is that they are training a lot more than our players, which is why so many Japanese players are sound technicians. Japan and Korea are pretty rich countries too, with a lot more money to spend on football, without egg ball codes, cricket, etc, soaking up sponsorship dollars. From reading Soccernomics, China has all the ingredients to become the Asian superpower in football. The Middle-east shouldn't improve as much relatively. Iran and Iraq may improve with more economic prosperity. Essentially, Arabs don't have the incredible work ethic they do in the cited east Asian countries. I doubt they have the capacity to train as much as the Japanese. Even though we may have better coaching methodology than Ireland, Canada, Wales, Scotland, South Africa, Caribbean countries, New Zealand, England, and possibly the USA, Japan's may be better. Alf Galustian, world head of Coerver, told Australian coaches they should look to Japan for football expertise. With the USA, they have their college system, with hundreds of thousands professional type players. It may not be as good as our elite of elite, but they have incredible depth with hundreds of thousands playing at a more professional level than our state leagues. One Aussie player at a US college thinks the coach at that player's college is decidedly better than the NTC coach that player had in one particular state. Edited by Decentric: 4/7/2012 12:36:12 AM
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krones3 wrote:Thanks to the efforts of Bill and ken Mitchell the coaching has improved up here since the departure of you know who. But today i was talking with some coaches today and one major problem we are having is getting the players to use skills (ie step overs) in a game. How are you going with that decentric?
Edited by krones3: 3/7/2012 10:40:26 PM It depends on the player. Ask them to try things in practice SSGs, 1v1s are very good for this too. If a player can body swerve on the left and right side, this is all most A League players use in matches. The body swerve is the same move as when Robbie Slater talks about specific players 'dropping the shoulder'. I can add a video if you are not sure what it is. Norm Boardman was talking about this tonight - that some technically superb players (Viduka) just don't have sufficient acceleration/pace to go past players. This would also apply to many other Socceroos too. One Nepalese player who has joined my club through CFP, keeps doing Brazilian rolls with both feet. I'm asking him to add a reverse step over to do in a move called the Ronaldo in Brazilian Soccer Schools, seen in Cristiano Ronaldo's flashy repertoire. If he can do this on both sides, he will really intimidate players. Whilst other players are practising Matthews Cuts with their favourite foot, I'll request him to do them with his left foot, keeping his head up, plus trying the BSS Ronaldos as well. Another player performs the Cruyff Cut very well in games. Looking at the club team at Norm Boardman's SAP session they are another level up from our club teams. They've been members of Ken Morton's Soccer School for some years, with a lot of former state/rep/NTC/SAP/Skillaroos players. Edited by Decentric: 4/7/2012 12:34:45 AMEdited by Decentric: 4/7/2012 12:39:04 AM
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Decentric wrote:krones3 wrote:Thanks to the efforts of Bill and ken Mitchell the coaching has improved up here since the departure of you know who. But today i was talking with some coaches today and one major problem we are having is getting the players to use skills (ie step overs) in a game. How are you going with that decentric?
Edited by krones3: 3/7/2012 10:40:26 PM It depends on the player. Ask them to try things in practice SSGs, 1v1s are very good for this too. If a player can body swerve on the left and right side, this is all most A League players use in matches. The body swerve is the same move as when Robbie Slater talks about specific players 'dropping the shoulder'. I can add a video if you are not sure what it is. Norm Boardman was talking about this tonight - that some technically superb players (Viduka) just don't have sufficient acceleration/pace to go past players. This would also apply to many other Socceroos too. One Nepalese player who has joined my club through CFP, keeps doing Brazilian rolls with both feet. I'm asking him to add a reverse step over to do in a move called the Ronaldo in Brazilian Soccer Schools, seen in Cristiano Ronaldo's flashy repertoire. If he can do this on both sides, he will really intimidate players. Whilst other players are practising Matthews Cuts with their favourite foot, I'll request him to do them with his left foot, keeping his head up, plus trying the BSS Ronaldos as well. Another player performs the Cruyff Cut very well in games. Looking at the club team at Norm Boardman's SAP session they are another level up from our club teams. They've been members of Ken Morton's Soccer School for some years, with a lot of former state/rep/NTC/SAP/Skillaroos players. Edited by Decentric: 4/7/2012 12:34:45 AMEdited by Decentric: 4/7/2012 12:39:04 AM They will do it at practice all day it is in games that they will not use.
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Krones3 sometimes the kids don't use their full range of skills due to fear. They are afraid of making a mistake. I see this often and sometimes find the need to tell kids it's a game relax and have fun.
Solutions, plenty of encouragement, plenty of games (futsal too)and plenty more practice.
Sorry I can't offer a silver bullet solution.
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Arthur wrote:Krones3 sometimes the kids don't use their full range of skills due to fear. They are afraid of making a mistake. I see this often and sometimes find the need to tell kids it's a game relax and have fun.
Solutions, plenty of encouragement, plenty of games (futsal too)and plenty more practice.
Sorry I can't offer a silver bullet solution.
Thanks mate i will give it a go Still can not understand fear in 10 year olds what is it that makes them so afraid to try? actually makes me sad because the only thing i can think off is fear is taught. aut viam inveniam aut faciam
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krones3 wrote:Arthur wrote:Krones3 sometimes the kids don't use their full range of skills due to fear. They are afraid of making a mistake. I see this often and sometimes find the need to tell kids it's a game relax and have fun.
Solutions, plenty of encouragement, plenty of games (futsal too)and plenty more practice.
Sorry I can't offer a silver bullet solution.
Thanks mate i will give it a go Still can not understand fear in 10 year olds what is it that makes them so afraid to try? actually makes me sad because the only thing i can think off is fear is taught. aut viam inveniam aut faciam Beleive it or not I have had direct experience with kids at 10yo who have General Anxiety. While fear of making mistakes at that age can also come from peers.
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Hey guys, I am finally back from South East Asia so things should be back to normal (hopefully lots of updates from me, heh) until I go off to Europe in 4-6 weeks. During the time that I am back, I'll be doing my Senior Certificates and Senior License so I'll give my opinions on how they go. I am also looking at doing a few short courses over in England, but time will tell about those. If I enrol in any I'll naturally post updates. Arthur wrote:WOW! What an excellent thread Draupnir. You have done a fantastic job on finding all that information.
I just discovered this "sticky" today, I can only forgive myself as you started it while I was away.
Thanks Arthur! Hope it comes in handy!
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Decentric I have never seen you so speechless ^ :d . I have the following link which I have been told is the AFC 'C' License Prac book. http://www.footballwidebay.com.au/uploads/Part%205%20-%20Curriculum%20Practices.pdfDraupnier if this is correct maybe you can add this as an addition to the FFA C license, and I will remove this post if you do. Cheers
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Has anyone here done any of FFA Advanced pathway courses?
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tjwhalan wrote:Has anyone here done any of FFA Advanced pathway courses? I've done a KNVB Youth Certificate, which apparently equates to current FFA B and C Licence content. I think I finish my FFA C Licence in February. At the moment it seems the FFA C Licence is more preoccupied with the numbering system. Arthur spoke about this on his trip to France. The French teams did the same thing. Andy Jackson, I think the person who conceived this section of 442, has a FFA B Licence. Gregory Parker, who wrote training ground modules for 442 has a FFA C Licence. He may be studying for his B Licence. Edited by Decentric: 17/9/2012 07:42:05 AM
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Numbering system?
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Just finished reading and wish I had access to this earlier. These sorts of manuals surely need to be made public. The Youth Licence provides nowhere near this sort of detail to training sessions in the manuals. Anyway thanks Arthur, will definetly be going through this a few more times. Edited by tjwhalan: 17/9/2012 08:54:48 PM
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tjwhalan wrote:Numbering system? This is where players' positions are described by the numbers on their back, instead of the positions they play. The FFA NC uses the 1-4-3-3 with the midfield triangle with two screeners and one shadow striker. I thought the KNVB were more fluid with changing the 1-4-3-3 into the different variations of the shape.
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Yeah but I just read that C licence prac PDF that Arthur linked, and it looks at both versions of the triangle. And whats the FFA NC?
EDIT: Also If you have a look at the C Prac PDF that Arthur put up, on page 43 (closing down) the pressuring team is taught to show the fullback the line and allow him to get behind them. The goal is in the centre of the pitch which explains why in this instance you would, but this seems irrelevant as in a real game would you ever want to allow the fullback in behind. Maybe im looking at this wrong but to me for a FFA endorsed game it looks counter productive.
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tjwhalan wrote:Yeah but I just read that C licence prac PDF that Arthur linked, and it looks at both versions of the triangle. And whats the FFA NC?
EDIT: Also If you have a look at the C Prac PDF that Arthur put up, on page 43 (closing down) the pressuring team is taught to show the fullback the line and allow him to get behind them. The goal is in the centre of the pitch which explains why in this instance you would, but this seems irrelevant as in a real game would you ever want to allow the fullback in behind. Maybe im looking at this wrong but to me for a FFA endorsed game it looks counter productive.
Edited by tjwhalan: 18/9/2012 01:55:23 PM the purpose of that exerciser and the one above it, is to teach players how to pressure/close depending on the situation. When and where exactly a team will close is dependant on the coaches philosophy. For example a lot of coach like their players to force the opposition central in the attacking and middle thirds, but show them outside when the other team is in the final defensive third (approaching your goal). Nonetheless, showing someone the line does not mean you are allowing them in behind, rather that you are encouraging them to move in that direction.
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Dimi wrote:tjwhalan wrote:Yeah but I just read that C licence prac PDF that Arthur linked, and it looks at both versions of the triangle. And whats the FFA NC?
EDIT: Also If you have a look at the C Prac PDF that Arthur put up, on page 43 (closing down) the pressuring team is taught to show the fullback the line and allow him to get behind them. The goal is in the centre of the pitch which explains why in this instance you would, but this seems irrelevant as in a real game would you ever want to allow the fullback in behind. Maybe im looking at this wrong but to me for a FFA endorsed game it looks counter productive.
Edited by tjwhalan: 18/9/2012 01:55:23 PM the purpose of that exerciser and the one above it, is to teach players how to pressure/close depending on the situation. When and where exactly a team will close is dependant on the coaches philosophy. For example a lot of coach like their players to force the opposition central in the attacking and middle thirds, but show them outside when the other team is in the final defensive third (approaching your goal). Nonetheless, showing someone the line does not mean you are allowing them in behind, rather that you are encouraging them to move in that direction. Yeah your right I've looked at it again and the player is only showing the line it was late when I read it and for some reason I thought he was allowing the fulback to get in behind him lol. Edited by tjwhalan: 20/9/2012 08:01:38 PM
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The regional C Licences take ages to complete. I'd prefer it that way, but over summer a lot of weekends will be lost.:cry:
In cricket we have a Test match in December. Two of those days will be taken up by the C Licence.:roll:
Then in January we have an A League roster game in Launceston. Now the C Licence will be moved to Launceston for that weekend! I can't believe that FFA always manage to have big events clashing.:roll:
I suppose we will go the the A League game and do a match analysis. Most of us would prefer to just sit back and watch the game as a spectator.
We have one rostered A League game per year.
We have one Test match.
The FFA C Licence clashes with both.:roll:
I couldn't care a less if the C Licence clashed with an AFL game.
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Surely these arn't the only passing drills that they provide AFC C license coaches?
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Decentric wrote:tjwhalan wrote:Numbering system? This is where players' positions are described by the numbers on their back, instead of the positions they play. The FFA NC uses the 1-4-3-3 with the midfield triangle with two screeners and one shadow striker. I thought the KNVB were more fluid with changing the 1-4-3-3 into the different variations of the shape. The way this concept has been explained to me is that it is strictly for development purposes and, as the players get older and more accustomed to various roles, the use of a solitary #10 (attacking midfielder/trequartista/etc.) becomes much more flexible and open to other variations, such as one holding midfielder (#6) and two central midfielders (#8 & #10). The idea behind it is purely for younger ages. I'm not sure of the FFA's exact age to when it becomes less strict, but let's say - for the same of argument - it's up to 14 years of age. As players are less likely to understand individual roles and as the FFA wants to develop more creatively-gifted players, they want to keep that #10 role isolated, allowing the player and those around him to understand the exact nature of that position, without the confusion that may come with two players in that role. As players become more accustomed to that role, that midfield triangle can change a bit more; two attacking midfielders, two central midfielders, two defensive midfielders. This is something I doubt is genuinely being explained across the FFA advanced coaching courses (or any of them, for that matter) and I don't think it's something that should really be skimmed over. The depth in which it's explained will entirely depend on the instructors and the questions asked by course attendees. To anyone wanting to take these courses, make sure you ask questions.
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Steelinho wrote:Decentric wrote:tjwhalan wrote:Numbering system? This is where players' positions are described by the numbers on their back, instead of the positions they play. The FFA NC uses the 1-4-3-3 with the midfield triangle with two screeners and one shadow striker. I thought the KNVB were more fluid with changing the 1-4-3-3 into the different variations of the shape. The way this concept has been explained to me is that it is strictly for development purposes and, as the players get older and more accustomed to various roles, the use of a solitary #10 (attacking midfielder/trequartista/etc.) becomes much more flexible and open to other variations, such as one holding midfielder (#6) and two central midfielders (#8 & #10). The idea behind it is purely for younger ages. I'm not sure of the FFA's exact age to when it becomes less strict, but let's say - for the same of argument - it's up to 14 years of age. As players are less likely to understand individual roles and as the FFA wants to develop more creatively-gifted players, they want to keep that #10 role isolated, allowing the player and those around him to understand the exact nature of that position, without the confusion that may come with two players in that role. As players become more accustomed to that role, that midfield triangle can change a bit more; two attacking midfielders, two central midfielders, two defensive midfielders. This is something I doubt is genuinely being explained across the FFA advanced coaching courses (or any of them, for that matter) and I don't think it's something that should really be skimmed over. The depth in which it's explained will entirely depend on the instructors and the questions asked by course attendees. To anyone wanting to take these courses, make sure you ask questions. Makes sense seeing as the FFA is so obsessed with developing Riquelme type players. I dont see the point personally, just means if anything that you will see less players of the Maldini mold. But again I dont beleive it makes a diffrence one way or another. Edited by tjwhalan: 11/10/2012 04:00:48 PM
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Steelinho wrote: As players become more accustomed to that role, that midfield triangle can change a bit more; two attacking midfielders, two central midfielders, two defensive midfielders.
This is something I doubt is genuinely being explained across the FFA advanced coaching courses (or any of them, for that matter) and I don't think it's something that should really be skimmed over. The depth in which it's explained will entirely depend on the instructors and the questions asked by course attendees. To anyone wanting to take these courses, make sure you ask questions.
If one has an instructor who feels threatened, due to insecurity, they don't like questions. I note this is your first post, Steelinho. Welcome to 442.:)
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tjwhalan wrote:Makes sense seeing as the FFA is so obsessed with developing Riquelme type players. I dont see the point personally, just means if anything that you will see less players of the Maldini mold. But again I dont beleive it makes a diffrence one way or another.
Edited by tjwhalan: 11/10/2012 04:00:48 PM I think the kind of player developed will still depend on the kind of coaching they receive and, as such, the kind of coach. The curriculum won't necessarily change any of that; it won't stop restrictive coaches from being too restrictive, cutting off a player's creativity. Those able to develop creativity will still do that while those that develop "Maldini-type" players will still do that. I don't personally see the outline of the curriculum as the definitive answer - nor necessarily near it - but I can understand how they are trying to guide coaches towards being more prepared to develop a better variety of player, perhaps more "utility" players. (Either an attempt at a modern-day Cruyff or just trying to get more Rhys Williams-types playing for the Socceroos.) As for Decentric's comment, that's true; there will be instructors who aren't confident in their knowledge or simply don't like curveballs thrown in their direction, but I'd still encourage it as neither students nor instructors will learn/grow without being challenged. Also, thanks. It's only my first post because I hadn't had much else to say!
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Steelinho wrote:
As for Decentric's comment, that's true; there will be instructors who aren't confident in their knowledge or simply don't like curveballs thrown in their direction, but I'd still encourage it as neither students nor instructors will learn/grow without being challenged. Also, thanks. It's only my first post because I hadn't had much else to say!
Keep posting, Steelhinho. Good stuff.=d> Which FFA courses have you completed? I have had a few vociferous discussions with three successive state FFA TDs. THey don't like hearing it, but the calibre of the KNVB instructors and their program was infinitely superior to any local or nationally acclaimed FFA coaches I've worked with. One particular FFA instructor completed the same KNVB course I did, but I think he missed an essential aspect of the KNVB methodology. Having said that, this particular FFA instructor and high level coach, suggests that we can all learn something from any course we do. Fair comment. I have also been convinced by a number of FFA coaches/instructors in the value of constantly undertaking coach education to update one's knowledge and keep abreast of changes in the game.
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Not many FFA courses, to be honest. I'm most of the way through a C Licence that will end by December. Other than that, the community courses except for Senior. (That was before the new certificate/licence structure.)
Most of my personal credentials are through actual experience and talking to peers amongst the coaching community, so this C Licence is a big step for me towards getting that balance. Especially in Australia, where I have no reputation or "network of contacts" to speak of, these will come in handy when I look to return to coaching seriously in the next year.
I always seem to miss out on courses like the one provided by KNVB for one reason or another. They're something that genuinely interest me.
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Steelinho wrote:Not many FFA courses, to be honest. I'm most of the way through a C Licence that will end by December. Other than that, the community courses except for Senior. (That was before the new certificate/licence structure.)
Most of my personal credentials are through actual experience and talking to peers amongst the coaching community, so this C Licence is a big step for me towards getting that balance. Especially in Australia, where I have no reputation or "network of contacts" to speak of, these will come in handy when I look to return to coaching seriously in the next year.
I always seem to miss out on courses like the one provided by KNVB for one reason or another. They're something that genuinely interest me. I finish the FFA C Licence in February. Are you doing a centralised or regional one, Steelinho? Apparently the KNVB Youth Certificate I did has content that equates to B and C Licence, according to a state FFA Game Development Officer. I was going to study more in Holland, but it is difficult accessing the info. Also, our state TD suggested that I should study in the country I live and coach in, even though the training may not be as good. it is The regional licences are cheaper though. The more coaches that gain Advanced Coaching qualifications the better in Australia. Japan has 50 Advanced Coaches to every 1 in Australia!
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Decentric wrote:I finish the FFA C Licence in February. Are you doing a centralised or regional one, Steelinho?
Apparently the KNVB Youth Certificate I did has content that equates to B and C Licence, according to a state FFA Game Development Officer. I was going to study more in Holland, but it is difficult accessing the info.
Also, our state TD suggested that I should study in the country I live and coach in, even though the training may not be as good. it is The regional licences are cheaper though.
The more coaches that gain Advanced Coaching qualifications the better in Australia. Japan has 50 Advanced Coaches to every 1 in Australia! I'm on a regional one. Considering a central B licence when I get to that, but depends on how the dates fall. Before applying for the course, I was extremely sceptical as past FFA courses had been worthless due to the quality of instructor, though I've warmed up more to this one. It's not perfect - for all the focus of the curriculum on development, there's no actual discussion of it in this course, for example - but a lot better than I'd expected, which I can put down at least in part to having a better instructor, who's also been very open to questions both during and outside course hours. Having said that, I'm still very sceptical about courses here, but I suppose it's going to be a while before things become a lot less hit-and-miss as time produces better understandings and better quality instructors. There would be some merit to study only in the country in which you coach, but I think having a vast array of tools/education can also help if you're smart enough to understand and use those that are genuinely beneficial to the specific culture. Culture plays a bigger part in development than many people probably realise. I've coached and know several coaches still working in Japan. It's a very different state of affairs there than it is here and its development benefits greatly from its history as well. One example is how much importance is put on the sport in high schools, where annual national tournaments are huge. The amount of outside influences they have is also a big factor. (Comic books, for example, have a huge impact on Japanese youth culture - and we can look at Captain Tsubasa as a great example - than it would here, as they're nowhere near as mainstream or influencial.)
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Steelinho wrote:
Before applying for the course, I was extremely sceptical as past FFA courses had been worthless due to the quality of instructor, though I've warmed up more to this one. It's not perfect - for all the focus of the curriculum on development, there's no actual discussion of it in this course, for example - but a lot better than I'd expected, which I can put down at least in part to having a better instructor, who's also been very open to questions both during and outside course hours.
I was dreading working with the instructors for the regional C Licence. Pertinently, I've just had access to them at the state conference as well as the early stages of the C Licence. One is an excellent coach on the pitch and quite a good presenter, with an intimidatory style. Fine if one is confident. The second is peerless as a football lecturer in Australia. A trained teacher, he is very good at presenting, listening and instigating discussion. I've seen a lot of him on the training track 5 years ago. I learnt some good stuff from him that I still use, but also there were a lot of practices that were pulled apart by the KNVB instructors. I imagine he has improved immeasurably as a coach in the last five years. He has coached in the W League. I'm enjoying my instruction from both of them. Edited by Decentric: 7/11/2012 07:39:27 PM
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Steelinho wrote: I'm on a regional one. Considering a central B licence when I get to that, but depends on how the dates fall.
i had no intention whatsoever of doing the B Licence. Now I've found out it will be offered as a regional course, rather than having to do it centrally for about three times the cost. I'm now interested in the B Licence. The only problem with this C Licence course, is I feel like I'm giving up half my summer weekends. Edited by Decentric: 28/11/2012 09:34:50 PM
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Interesting that you've got two instructors. The one I'm doing has just the one instructor; this is his first time instructing an advanced course since completing the Futuro III, but he's been fantastic and he's a reputable coach. Very articulate, good at creating examples and he's open to questions, very willing to give advice and has made sure that everyone knows he can be contacted outside of course hours, even after the course has finished.
The state TD also sits in on some of the modules and also gives some information from his own experience. He's been quite good in several parts and he led the instruction for the FFA's V+P game training sessions.
Found out recently from the TD that there's a regional B Licence scheduled here for March, so I'll probably put my hand up for that one. The football conditioning part isn't really covered well in the C Licence and, after getting a taste for it, I feel like I need more.
The only problem I've found is the elitism amongst some of the participants. The country's full of football cliques and I think that's something we'll struggle with for a while longer at state level and below.
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Hey guys, thanks for keeping this thread going! Sorry I haven't been around for a while. Been busy in Sweden and completing my Master's Degree so wasn't much time for researching other certificates. I'll update the posts with any additional info that you guys have supplied!
Going back to Sweden again in two weeks, for 2-3 months, hopefully I'll be able to post a bit more whilst gone.
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I've been flat out doing coaching courses, coaching players and football organisation in the last few weeks, so I haven't been able to post on here much.
Interesting as the C Licence is evolving.
The course instructors are keen to make local state league -V League senior coaches - think in the same terms I do. That is, to analyse games using the four main moments - Ball Possession, Ball Possession Opposition, defensive and attacking transitions. They think it is a lot more effective to be succinct at half-time match talks.
Conversely, I'm pretty impressed with the ability of some of these very, very experienced guys to analyse games in an untrained, or less academic way than the KNVB match analysis, or now FFA Advanced Coaching courses, try to inculcate in coaches.
For a lot of the course so far, it has seemed that the KNVB training has made the C Licence easier, almost like revision. The KNVB Youth Certificate appears to be vastly superior to the FFA Community courses, that FFA instruct - Senior, Youth, Junior, Grass Roots. However, today we did a different proforma for planning training sessions:
1. Passing or warm up. 2. Conditioning games. 3. Game training. 4. Training game.
I'm sure this is the French Clairefontaine methodology. This is more thorough than anything we did in KNVB. It is more academic too.
I feel stuffed after trying to absorb the different and new methodology today.:?
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Steelinho wrote:Interesting that you've got two instructors. We have three now. One is the under 20s national assistant coach to Paul Okon or Alistair Edwards. He is the current Tassie NTC boys coach. The other is the Tassie women's NTC coach and former temporary W League Melbourne Victory coach. We also have the state FFA TD taking sessions too. He was the Young Socceroo captain. The latter two are locals and I think they are the best I've had in Australia. They are not far behind Schans and Derkson from KNVB. Yet they are only just qualifying, or have qualified recently to take Advanced Coaching courses, although one is a trained teacher which helps a lot. Edited by Decentric: 26/11/2012 12:58:38 AMEdited by Decentric: 26/11/2012 01:06:47 AM
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Steelinho wrote: Found out recently from the TD that there's a regional B Licence scheduled here for March, so I'll probably put my hand up for that one. The football conditioning part isn't really covered well in the C Licence and, after getting a taste for it, I feel like I need more.
I was never going to do a FFA B Licence, but I think I will now, since we should have a locally based one starting in 2014. I like the stimulation of coach education. A few years ago we had to go interstate, cram in a course in a few weeks, then leave to return home. Or, instructors would come here, instruct, assess and disappear. Now we have locally based FFA instructors, which is great for ongoing advice and to get them out on the training track at your club, or with your team. Before I used to have to correspond with the KNVB in Holland. Edited by Decentric: 26/11/2012 11:52:23 PM
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Decentric wrote:I was never going to do a FFA B Licence, but I think I will now, since we should have a locally based one starting in 2014. I like the stimulation of coach education.
A few years ago we had to go interstate, cram in a course in a few weeks, then leave to return home. Or, instructors would come here, instruct, assess and disappear.
Now we have locally based FFA instructors. which is great for ongoing advice and to get them out on the training track at your club, or with your team. Before I used to have to correspond with the KNVB in Holland. The B Licence here will be run by an instructor from the FFA, as there are currently no local instructors qualified for that level and, seeing as it's the first one being done here, I guess they want someone with experience. The course information has only just been posted on the federation website; two separate 6-day separated by two whole months. Yikes. Worse still, it's in one of the most distant locations. Curious to know what's covered in the B Licence. I know there's more regarding football conditioning as the C Licence portion was bite-sized, but I was also expecting a lot more about development rather than such a heavy focus on U-17-Seniors from the C Licence. Participants were split around 70-30 in favour of coaching younger ages, so would've helped a bit more. Understand a lot of that it's discussed, to some extent, in pre-course material, but few are likely to absorb the key messages.
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Steelinho wrote:
The only problem I've found is the elitism amongst some of the participants. The country's full of football cliques and I think that's something we'll struggle with for a while longer at state level and below.
There seems to be little in the way of cliques at our C Licence. Too many old men for that to occur. We have a few State League coaches who know each other well, but they are friendly blokes. I've done five FFA courses this year - all devoid of cliques. The same with the KNVB course in Canberra - no cliques. Having said that, a few of our club coaches feel they can be ostracised by bigger club officials at FFA courses. Edited by Decentric: 27/11/2012 12:14:26 AM
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Steelinho wrote:
Curious to know what's covered in the B Licence. I know there's more regarding football conditioning as the C Licence portion was bite-sized, but I was also expecting a lot more about development rather than such a heavy focus on U-17-Seniors from the C Licence.
There will be a new C Licence soon where a coach has to choose whether to specialise in Youth or Seniors. I think I will do a FFA Junior SAP Certificate after the C Licence.
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Decentric wrote:Steelinho wrote:
Curious to know what's covered in the B Licence. I know there's more regarding football conditioning as the C Licence portion was bite-sized, but I was also expecting a lot more about development rather than such a heavy focus on U-17-Seniors from the C Licence.
There will be a new C Licence soon where a coach has to choose whether to specialise in Youth or Seniors. I think I will do a FFA Junior SAP Certificate after the C Licence. I know and I think that could be a poor idea. How many people will take that youth specialisation over the senior equivalent compared to how many will actually be in those development positions at clubs? The better idea, if they're going to go down this path, would be to have supplementary licences that work in tandem with the actual advanced courses. (i.e. A "Youth C" Licence that adds extra modules to and has a pre-requisite of already holding a C Licence. Then B, A licences following that.)
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Here is the real deal Do all the coaching courses you like (they will only improve you) But more importantly find a football philosophy don't just say it believe it If you are coaching a style you don't believe in get out. Coach your philosophy not someone else s.
Ange v Rado Vidošić
Ange wins.
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krones3 wrote:Here is the real deal Do all the coaching courses you like (they will only improve you) But more importantly find a football philosophy don't just say it believe it If you are coaching a style you don't believe in get out. Coach your philosophy not someone else s.
Ange v Rado Vidošić
Ange wins. ATM FFA encourages every coach to state one's philosophy as a coach, then to stick it. It means within a framework though. We've done a lot of stuff in the FFA Regional conference and the C Licence about Barcelona's possession game. I'm happy to say that I want my teams to play like them, as far as it is possible.
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Must say I am enjoying the C Licence immensely. Another member from 442 suggested I wouldn't learn much from the FFA C Licence. He completed a course about 4 years ago. The content has changed immeasurably even in that short period of time. I feel like I have learnt heaps so far, but unlike when I did KNVB and was out of my depth for about 5 days, I feel like I have an excellent theoretical base.
Since I haven't completed a recent FFA Senior or Youth Licence, I can't speak for how useful they are as a precursor for a FFA C Licence.
The difference is that there are some former C Licence holders from many years ago in a different era in FFA, and others who have done Senior licences. This is applicable to many V League (state league ) senior coaches for next season.
It is interesting to note how we have different backgrounds. In the classroom I feel like I've been very well-trained in theory through the KNVB. Conversely, a lot of these boys have had massive experience in coaching, without the theory.
With many of the coaches in the course they don't visualize practices much in the classroom context from diagrams and computer generated training practices. However, as soon as we get out on the pitch with game related practices and drills, they are able to make valuable input into training ground practices. They don't seem to have been trained/inculcated in thinking about the game, compartmentalised into the four main moments of football. That is the two transitions, BP and BPO.
I must say, if anyone is thinking about doing a C Licence course, and you can get to do a regional one at a third of the cost, it will probably be beneficial. We are lucky to have a very good instructor as our principal presenter and a good bunch of 23 coaches, devoid of cliques.
I think I'm becoming addicted to coaching courses.
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Has anyone found at coaching courses that older participants, I'm 56, struggle on the pitch with the younger guys? The sessions are all supposed to be conducted at slow pace, but the course participant conducting a training session, always wants more intensity or to play a higher line, etc. Good if one is young, but it doesn't work if one is old!!!
In a prac session, players are needed for the pitch. When we get out there and one plays with former national, pro and state team players, particularly the younger ones, one is chasing balls they play in front of you that one could've reached 25 years ago, but not the present.
The old crocks have been pulling muscles and injuring themselves galore!!
We are a bit older than average, but not that much.
What have others found?
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Did the FFA C Licence this year. Did it 6 years ago too. There certainly is a difference in the way they go about things these days. On another note great to find this section of the forum. Some good coaching stuff on here too.
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With the Laws Of The Game online test, I got into it once, did some of it and have been unable to regain entry with my password. The system won't even let me submit a password. Has anybody else had this problem?
I cannot even access what I've passed so I can print it as a record.
I've spoken to state FFA about it.
One can waste so much time on these sorts of IT issues.](*,)
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not sure if already posted here New Advanced Coaching Courses:Youth C Licence This year we are very excited to be releasing the YOUTH C Licence. The Youth C Licence is for coaches of talented players aged 9-17. This course is open to Coaches 18 years of age and older, the course gives candidates an understanding of the National Curriculum and the FFA Vision and Philosophy. Course participants will be exposed to the key aspects relevant to coaching players in both the Skill Acquisition (9-13 years old) and the Game Training (13-17 years old) Building Blocks. At the conclusion of the course, successful candidates will be able to design football sessions and construct annual training plans to develop football players according to the FFA Vision and Philosophy. Candidates will be assessed for competency against the following: · Planning practical sessions for the Skill Acquisition and Game Training phases · Conducting a Practical Session · Annual Planning · Demonstrating a knowledge of the National Curriculum · The Laws of the Game The previously run C licence is now known as the Senior C Licence and is for coaches of Senior Amateur Teams and Talented players aged 17 and older. This course is open to Coaches 18 years of age and older focusing on the 11 v 11 aspects of the game and familiarising candidates with the National Curriculum, Building Blocks, the FFA Vision and Philosophy and the Game Training Model. At the conclusion of the course, successful candidates will be able analyze football problems and design football sessions to improve football performance. They will be able to plan a periodised pre-season programme to develop their team and have an understanding of how to communicate effectively with their players and key stakeholders. Candidates will be assessed for competency against the following: - · Planning a practical session using the Game Training Components · Conducting a Practical Session · Planning a 6 Week (1 Cycle) Programme · Demonstrating a knowledge of the National Curriculum · The Laws of the Game Coaches will learn in an interactive environment through workshops, practical sessions and distance learning to develop their skills in the key competencies of Training, the Match and Management. In this open learning environment coaches will develop their Football Knowledge and gain an understanding of the FFA Vision and Philosophy. If you have attended an FFA C licence from 2010 onwards then you are entitled to attend the Youth Course at a reduced cost or for free if you attend in 2013. Please head to our website to download the application form which contains all the relevant pricing information for our centrally run course. Please contact your Member Federation for courses being run in your specific area. National Football Curriculum Refresher Course (NFCRC) The second new course we are excited to release this year is the National Football Curriculum Refresher Course which will be held over an intensive 4 days. To apply for the FFA National Football Curriculum Refresher Course applicants apply by the same process as a standard Advanced Coaching Course by downloading the application form from our website. The NFCRC is designed to allow you to develop your understanding of the FFA Coaching Expertise Model and its incorporation into our Advanced Coaching courses. There are two situations which you may fall in to which may indicate you would like/need to attend this course: · You need to gain your 100 points of revalidation to keep your Advanced licence valid. (Not sure when your licence expires? Login here to find out) · You are wishing to attend an FFA ‘A’ licence course. These two options are explained further below. Revalidation Opportunity FFA extended the revalidation window, for Coaches who had attained their Licence in or before 2009, through until the 31st December 2013. All candidates have a 4 year period to gain the 100 points required to revalidate their Advanced Coaching Licence e.g. an FFA B licence gained in 2011 means you have until 31st December 2015 to revalidate. The FFA National Football Curriculum Refresher Course will be added to the annual calendar as a means for all coaches who hold an Advanced Licence to gain the 100 points required to revalidate. This now presents a regional and central means for coaches to gain the 100 points to revalidate their Licence. 2 x Regional Conference (50 points per conference) 1 x FFA National Football Curriculum Refresher Certificate Course (100 points) Coaches who have already accrued 50 points by attending a Regional Conference who choose to attend the National Football Curriculum Refresher Certificate will be required to attend the whole 4 days of the course to gain their 100 points. Candidates cannot bank points to carry forward into the next 4 year period. Both methods will involve 4 days of learning and attract similar costs. Attending an ‘A’ Licence Candidates wishing to access the FFA ‘A’ Licence who will be required to attain the FFA National Football Curriculum Refresher Certificate will be: - Holders of an FFA B Licence who attended their course prior to 2010 - Those who did not attend an FFA B Licence course, but gained the FFA B Licence by conversion of an old FFA State Licence - Holders of a UEFA B Licence – must have been recognised by FFA in accordance with Form 9 - Holders of an AFC B Licence (issued by a nation other than Australia) – must have been recognised by FFA in accordance with Form 9 The FFA National Football Curriculum Refresher Certificate will be held every year. The course will include a written exam and on-course tasks leading to certification. Licence Revalidation Do you know when your licence expires? Why not log in and check it out because a lot expire at the end of this year. Whilst you are there make sure you update your details. If you have any login issues please contact your Member Federation. Does your licence expire soon? If it does you have the following options to revalidate your licence: · Attend a higher level course i.e. if you have a C licence then attending a B licence will revalidate your C licence regardless of your results · Attend 2 X State coaching conferences – contact your Member Federation for information · Attend the NFCRC mentioned above in this email to gain the require 100 points of revalidation. If at the end of the four-year accreditation period you have not accumulated the required number of points or the next level of Advanced licence, your current Advanced licence will expire and you will then be considered to have no accreditation Full list of centrally Run Advanced Coaching Courses for 2013 This list indicates all the centrally run FFA Advanced Coaching courses for 2013. This list does not include any regionally run C licences in your state. 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dirkvanadidas wrote: New Advanced Coaching Courses:Youth C Licence This year we are very excited to be releasing the YOUTH C Licence.
The Youth C Licence is for coaches of talented players aged 9-17.
This course is open to Coaches 18 years of age and older, the course gives candidates an understanding of the National Curriculum and the FFA Vision and Philosophy. Course participants will be exposed to the key aspects relevant to coaching players in both the Skill Acquisition (9-13 years old) and the Game Training (13-17 years old) Building Blocks.
At the conclusion of the course, successful candidates will be able to design football sessions and construct annual training plans to develop football players according to the FFA Vision and Philosophy.
Candidates will be assessed for competency against the following:
· Planning practical sessions for the Skill Acquisition and Game Training phases
· Conducting a Practical Session
· Annual Planning
· Demonstrating a knowledge of the National Curriculum
· The Laws of the Game
The previously run C licence is now known as the Senior C Licence and is for coaches of Senior Amateur Teams and Talented players aged 17 and older.
This course is open to Coaches 18 years of age and older focusing on the 11 v 11 aspects of the game and familiarising candidates with the National Curriculum, Building Blocks, the FFA Vision and Philosophy and the Game Training Model.
At the conclusion of the course, successful candidates will be able analyze football problems and design football sessions to improve football performance. They will be able to plan a periodised pre-season programme to develop their team and have an understanding of how to communicate effectively with their players and key stakeholders.
Candidates will be assessed for competency against the following: -
· Planning a practical session using the Game Training Components
· Conducting a Practical Session
· Planning a 6 Week (1 Cycle) Programme
· Demonstrating a knowledge of the National Curriculum
· The Laws of the Game
Coaches will learn in an interactive environment through workshops, practical sessions and distance learning to develop their skills in the key competencies of Training, the Match and Management. In this open learning environment coaches will develop their Football Knowledge and gain an understanding of the FFA Vision and Philosophy.
If you have attended an FFA C licence from 2010 onwards then you are entitled to attend the Youth Course at a reduced cost or for free if you attend in 2013. Please head to our website to download the application form which contains all the relevant pricing information for our centrally run course. Please contact your Member Federation for courses being run in your specific area.
Unfortunately, because I've just done my C Licence, there is no specific youth specialisation in the 2012- 2013 C course. The intent by FFA is to train coaches coaching state league senior teams ( V League) or elite youth rep teams. It would have been good to have the youth specialisation option for this year.
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I've just completed a two day FFA Skills Acquisition Program course. I thought it would be easy after the C Licence.
Wrong.#-o It was really intense. I learnt an incredible amount in a very short time. There was a lot on player actions, player cues and posing questions.
Another benefit is that it was free of charge.
Sadly, there were only 11 coaches attending. There were 30 odd coaches invited too.
One phenomenon that differed from the C Licence is that when we constructed planning sessions, we had to do a three stage system, but with a theme of one of the four core skills identified by FFA.
First touch (the most important core skill).
Striking the ball.
Running with the ball.
1v1 (defensive and attacking).
1v1 has been altered with a visit to Germany by some FFA coaches. The Germans thought that 1v1 needed to be broken down into attacking and defensive 1v1 skills.
I found the C Licence easier in a way. That is because when we devised training ground exercises, based on identified match problems, we had the freedom to identify what we wanted.
With the SAP course, having to devise training ground practice, in three stages, made it more difficult. The explicit instruction had to always be done in relation to the core skill in every stage. Any identified problems also had to be coached in relation to the core skill too.
The SAP trainer we have down here who took the course is a fantastic training ground coach educator. He makes players and coaches think all the time about how to focus questions for the players to think for themselves. It was mentally exhausting.
The idea of these courses, which should be run around Australia, is to disseminate the SAP beyond just a few SAP trainer squads. The thought process is to spread the content/know how to all elite progams from under 15 down to under 10.
The next step will be to spread SAP into clubs.
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If anybody reading this needs a C Licence prac. assessment, contact me ASAP. From one coach talking to me via PM, he may not have organised an assessment.
PM me. I may be able willing to help organise an assessment on March 11th.
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Can anybody tell me where and when the first of these new Youth C Licences will be taking place? I heard that the content will be finalised by about March/April but I can't see any courses in Australia until about October in Canberra.
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Hi Guys,
I've been invited to attend the internal FFA roll out of the Youth specific C license as an observer at the AIS from Mar 2-8. This is where the content gets rolled out to FFA employed coaches/state TDs/instructors etc
I'll be producing a feature for the magazine on it and will be updating my experiences of the week as it happens on Twitter (@Jacko442)
Cheers Andy
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Andy Jackson wrote:Hi Guys,
I've been invited to attend the internal FFA roll out of the Youth specific C license as an observer at the AIS from Mar 2-8. This is where the content gets rolled out to FFA employed coaches/state TDs/instructors etc
I'll be producing a feature for the magazine on it and will be updating my experiences of the week as it happens on Twitter (@Jacko442)
Cheers Andy I'll be looking forward to your updates, Andy. Wish they'd do this for more current C Licence or higher coaches; I've got interests in what they're doing for several reasons.
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I’ve been asked as to what content I’ll use for the C licence prac exam. I’ll post it on here. It will be phase 3 of four phase training, Game Training.
The main us criteria used to assess will be: : Team Task : Player actions : Cues
There will also be an emphasis on: SOAAUSS. I’m not too bad at this, but weak on players’ actions and cues.
This may have changed from when the guy who asked what I was doing in this C licence prac compared to his C Licence in 2008. I know it is different because one of the guys who did it with him with is now a FFT staff coach.
The main assessment criteria, is my greatest weakness, like most coaches. All the structure and organisation is standard KNVB and teaching practice.
In the past coaches were given certain topics to prepare for assessment at FFA courses. In 2013 we had to observe Australia v Germany at WC 2010. Coaches were split into 2 groups. One had to identify a problem that needed fixing from an Australian perspective. The other had to do it from a German perspective. In the KNVB we had to do a live Australian game and evaluate the performance from a defensive perspective.
The problem I identified for Australia, was lack of combination play in midfield. The training ground session is designed to improve combination play in midfield, through opening passing lanes by creating diamonds and triangles. This is done with the NTC team for assessment.
I will lay out a 7v6 (with keeper for the 6) in a 2m x 2m with cones. Then I will lay out the same shape on the life size pitch with numbered bibs.
The focus team will be the first team midfield and attacking line. They will be supported by a CB. They will play the defensive midfield triangle in a 1-4-3-3, but this will manifest as a 1-3-3. Initially the defensive team will be a keeper, the back four and the two screeners – 1-4-2. If the attacking team improves in the session objective, I will add the number 10 or attacking mid to the defensive team, to make it 7v7 on the pitch. There is a dilemma here. The KNVB may start with a 7v4 to enable the attacking team to have initial success, then build up from there. The FFA NC pushes to make it real, hence, closer to 7v7.
The coaching cues players actions (I’m still not sure of the difference), will be, “ Is my body shape conducive to playing forwards if I receive the ball?”
This intervention will be take place if its not apparent on the training track. This is where most of us are weak, apart from a young teenager who has come through the NTC program. His coach is the Australian assistant under 20 coach, who is very good. He has learnt from his excellent coaching over a few years.
Others, depending on the performance of the NTC can take the form of:
“Can you get beyond the second line of the opponents quickly?”
"Can you distribute to a team-mate who is in a position to move or play forwards?
‘Can you provide support?”
“How can we move the ball more quickly?”
Last time we had to analyse the NTC playing a game against each other with mixed gender. It was easy to pull the team apart from a perspective of distancing between the central midfield and central defensive lines and where they were out of position and losing their team shape. The key problem players were the two CBs, 3 and 4, and the two central mids 6 and 8. The lack of communication between them was a problem. It was reviewed as being a very technical analysis.
I will show the team the team task by a diagram with cones in a 2m x 2m area. Then I will put the numbered bibs out on the training track, to demonstrate the team shape. Did this a few weeks a go with a state league senior team and it was a resounding success. What wasn’t a success was finding appropriate interventions as they did it well!
If anyone can think of any more interventions, fire away. There are a number of members on this forum, who have gone a lot further down the FFA coach education path.
Other cues can be asking players without the ball to: Show for the ball by opening their arms. Players point to where they want the ball from ball carrier. Shouting for the ball. Open a diagonal passing lane within a triangle of diamond.
Players with the ball at their feet can: Play to feet. Look to establish eye to eye contact.
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One disturbing issue within FFA is that some coaches who have attended centralised Advanced Coaching courses, have not been assessed at the course, due to disorganisation/time constraints.
One coach I know is still waiting for an assessment a year after finishing his course work for the B Licence.
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I'm going to do some nitpicking and hope it helps you out with your assessment (and constructing the session plan itself). First of all, before even putting the problem on paper, draw the situation. Place players of both teams on the pitch in relation to the problem you are trying to solve. If the 6 and 8 were in line, make sure they are in your drawing. If your 9 and 10 were out of position, they're out of position in the picture. We were told about this at the start of the B Licence and it's a fantastic thing to do, because you can immediately draw out the GT (Game Training) and it helps you see better what you can do for the PP (Passing Practice) and PG (Positioning Game). Makes things much quicker. Decentric wrote:The problem I identified for Australia, was lack of combination play in midfield. The training ground session is designed to improve combination play in midfield, through opening passing lanes by creating diamonds and triangles. This is done with the NTC team for assessment. Based on the FFA Curriculum terminology, that doesn't sound to me like combination play. Combinations are one-twos; stuff to get past defenders, typically. Sounds more like you're working on structured possession in midfield. Being able to create space, width, depth and support in the middle third. I'd suggest conforming to their terminology for the sake of assessment, regardless of whether you use it post-course or not. (I don't know how strict your instructor is on this, but I know that the likes of Rob Sherman will pull you up every time.) Decentric wrote:I will lay out a 7v6 (with keeper for the 6) in a 2m x 2m with cones. Then I will lay out the same shape on the life size pitch with numbered bibs.
The focus team will be the first team midfield and attacking line. They will be supported by a CB. They will play the defensive midfield triangle in a 1-4-3-3, but this will manifest as a 1-3-3. Initially the defensive team will be a keeper, the back four and the two screeners – 1-4-2. If the attacking team improves in the session objective, I will add the number 10 or attacking mid to the defensive team, to make it 7v7 on the pitch. There is a dilemma here. The KNVB may start with a 7v4 to enable the attacking team to have initial success, then build up from there. The FFA NC pushes to make it real, hence, closer to 7v7. The most important part of all of this is to make it as real to the game as possible with the numbers you're using. If the objective you've given the opposition is to get it through to their 9 (whether there's a physical person there or just an area behind the play) and they're just lobbing it over into the space, ask them whether they think the 3/4 wouldn't get to that ball. They need to be playing as if it were the real game, so put real life restrictions on them. Of course, don't encourage them to NOT do something if it could work in a real match. If the objective is to play through the midfield, although they could play directly to their 9, let them. Don't stop them from having options if they're not wrong in doing so. Another thing I'd recommend, in framing the session or showing them the layout, is to again draw out the entire pitch - with every player - so they can see how their positions relate to others on the pitch. This will also help them to see the actual problem and how it's part of the big picture and not just "any old training session." Decentric wrote:The coaching cues players actions (I’m still not sure of the difference), will be, “ Is my body shape conducive to playing forwards if I receive the ball?”
This intervention will be take place if its not apparent on the training track. This is where most of us are weak, apart from a young teenager who has come through the NTC program. His coach is the Australian assistant under 20 coach, who is very good. He has learnt from his excellent coaching over a few years.
Others, depending on the performance of the NTC can take the form of:
“Can you get beyond the second line of the opponents quickly?”
"Can you distribute to a team-mate who is in a position to move or play forwards?
‘Can you provide support?”
“How can we move the ball more quickly?” The way I've interpreted each part is this: Team Task: The actual objective of the GT Player Actions: What they can do to achieve the result Coaching Cues: How (and in what situations) they can perform the actions ( "If, then" ) I wouldn't suggest using these - because I don't know how you plan on conducting your session - but a few examples of what I could say in yours: (Assuming you use two 6s and a 10 as your midfield trio) Team task: I want you to try to get the ball to the 9 with either a direct pass or playing through the midfield. (You don't want it to be restrictive as to how their options as to how they can achieve an objective.) Player actions: 6/8, can you receive the ball from the 3/4 in a position to play forward? 10, try to make space so the 9 can receive a forward pass. 3, can you play to the feet of the 9 with your first ball? (Suggestions, seeing whether they need to know how to do particular things.) Coaching cues (in relation to the above player actions): 6/8, if the 3/4 (CB with ball) is narrow, move wide and onto the shoulder of your opponent (space to play forward while receiving the ball -- if CB wide, come narrow, etc.) 10, if the 9 moves into a wide area, can you move the opposite way to pull a defender away from him? 3, if the 9 is not available, can you look for another player that can receive the ball to play forward? (Guidance on how to make those suggestions happen or what they can do instead.) Etc., etc. There are a lot of variations and a lot of them will depend on how you see the game ( your "Football Knowledge" ). Coaching cues are best demonstrated through live clipping (stopping the play and demonstrating), then restarting play from the last/second-last ball and having them play out the movement.
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Thanks, Steelinho.
I'll clarify with the FFA assessor what is meant by combination play. You may have made an excellent point.
The nitpicking, or constructive criticism, is exactly what I hope this forum will evolve to.
You've also made me aware of a few issues I was unaware of. These could adversely effect assessment. You have certainly assisted me to clarify some points I need to know in weaknesses I have.
I think the draw the situation is a strength of mine, from the KNVB.
Didn't realise Rob Sherman was pedantic. He worked very well with our group.
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I've noticed things like actions and cues are difficult for a lot of people on these courses, whether it's just understanding the differences or just coming up with the basics. The idea is to, essentially, avoid limiting them to just one or two options in a game and make it more about guidance then forced instructions.
I wouldn't say Rob is pedantic, rather he's just following the curriculum down to its exact definitions. It might be something that's just more important in the B than the C Licence, though, because I don't recall it being that strict in the first course, either.
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Criteria where we are assessed?
It is in Game Training, the third stage of a the four stage plan in the FFA pro forma, where most of the coaching occurs.
Team Task: Setting a logical one of the team in relation to the problem identified from observing Australi aplayin gGermany at the last World Cup. I had to find a problem from an Australian perspective.
Player Actions: Such as , " Can my body shape assist me to receive the ball to playing forwards?"
Cues: These help players active actions using, as, if, when ,where.
This is to clarify a point, I hope, for someone to respond to on here.
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Steelinho wrote:I've noticed things like actions and cues are difficult for a lot of people on these courses, whether it's just understanding the differences or just coming up with the basics. The idea is to, essentially, avoid limiting them to just one or two options in a game and make it more about guidance then forced instructions.
. Another bloke, who did the C Licence some years ago, is surprised how onerous the assessment criteria is now. I'm amazed you managed to go straight into the B Licence so quickly after completing the C Licence. You must have done well in your C course!=d> There is a statement from FFA, saying that coaches need to coach senior or elite youth for two years, before they should apply to do a B Licence. I've also heard a state youth coach say that he may not worry about upgrading from a C to B Licence, because B and beyond is all about senior players, devoid of youth training content. He has completed a B course. Edited by Decentric: 1/3/2013 01:12:40 PM
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The other criteria for C Licence assessment are SOAAUSS.
Start: The session should start pretty quickly with minimal detail. Organisation: The session should be well organised. Bibs out on pitch in correct place, I also used a 2m x 2m square to demonstrate a smaller version of the exercise with cones out onto pitch, knowing you own plan/script. ( This is basic teaching stuff for me). Ability: Are the players able to carry out the task with their TIC ability? Attitude: Are the players in the right frame of mind? Focused? Understanding: Do the players understand the rules of the practice? Their roles? Shape: Are the players in realistic positions relative to the way we play? Self: Am I in the right frame of mind? Clear gasp of my script? Team task ready?
I will be expected to address different issues that may arise on the pitch, than my script.
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Steelinho wrote:Decentric wrote:The problem I identified for Australia, was lack of combination play in midfield. The training ground session is designed to improve combination play in midfield, through opening passing lanes by creating diamonds and triangles. This is done with the NTC team for assessment. Based on the FFA Curriculum terminology, that doesn't sound to me like combination play. Combinations are one-twos; stuff to get past defenders, typically. Sounds more like you're working on structured possession in midfield. Being able to create space, width, depth and support in the middle third. I'd suggest conforming to their terminology for the sake of assessment, regardless of whether you use it post-course or not. (I don't know how strict your instructor is on this, but I know that the likes of Rob Sherman will pull you up every time.) Thanks for the advice about structured possession as opposed to combination play.I went over this with an assessor yesterday. You are right. Combination play takes the form of one/twos and third man runs. It has also been suggested I simplify the topic.
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Decentric, this is a well laid out session. I agree with Steelhinoin in that the examining criteria must be well understood and the topic well defined. Some comments: I would find it difficult to improve combination play of midfielders in the front third with out a defined area to create these situations. Consider the setup outlined in this link: http://au.fourfourtwo.com/blogs.aspx?CIaBEID=2625Here the midfield has an aim of forward passing to the centre forward. Combination play can be made with the outside players (wingbacks or wing forwards) to assist in creating these situations. The players in the middle can be changed to 3v3 or 4v3 overload situation. The outside players can only play with the attacking team. The situation can be manipulated and progressed at your descretion. eg allow the centre forward to slide along the back area or define the area he can move in. Add Gks, rules and methods of scoring. eg combination play within the midfield only is worth 2 points, 1 point for combination play with wide players etc, Once an improvement is seen you can progress play without boundaries with your 7v6 situation quite quickly. Add or remove players in the 1-4-3-3 system to achieve your goal. Perhaps the first part with progression is all that is required for a C Licence exam. This all may seem a little complex for a C Licence course however I am not privvy to the contraints of the practical. Just a thought.
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Football Forever wrote:Decentric, this is a well laid out session. I agree with Steelhinoin in that the examining criteria must be well understood and the topic well defined. Some comments: I would find it difficult to improve combination play of midfielders in the front third with out a defined area to create these situations. Consider the setup outlined in this link: http://au.fourfourtwo.com/blogs.aspx?CIaBEID=2625Here the midfield has an aim of forward passing to the centre forward. Combination play can be made with the outside players (wingbacks or wing forwards) to assist in creating these situations. The players in the middle can be changed to 3v3 or 4v3 overload situation. The outside players can only play with the attacking team. The situation can be manipulated and progressed at your descretion. eg allow the centre forward to slide along the back area or define the area he can move in. Add Gks, rules and methods of scoring. eg combination play within the midfield only is worth 2 points, 1 point for combination play with wide players etc, Once an improvement is seen you can progress play without boundaries with your 7v6 situation quite quickly. Add or remove players in the 1-4-3-3 system to achieve your goal. Perhaps the first part with progression is all that is required for a C Licence exam. Great advice and the link is excellent with superb, diagrammatic illustrations. For the computer experts viewing this, they are power point aren't they? I did the C Licence assessment two days ago. Whether I have passed or failed, apparently I made so many interventions, the assessors said I'd wear the battery out of the earphones, I have improved immeasurably as a coach from doing the new C Licence. Interestingly, I pulled the male NTC team apart in the assessment. They made so many mistakes, I didn't know here to start. This was what I wanted. My concern was finding little to coach, like when I took a senior female V League team for a session a few weeks ago. The cues and player actions seem to be coming all the time on the training pitch now with the rep team I coach. Luckily, I have some great role models to observe at SAP and NTC level. The state FFA coach educators are keen to mentor other coaches too. The major frustration with the C Licence assessment, was the refereeing online site. I could not for the life of me answer the assistant referee and and throw in questions correctly. This may be my Achilles heel in obtaining the C Licence. This is your first post, welcome to the forum, Football Forever.
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I have passed the Advanced B and Advanced A Licence.
Some comments relating to it been directed at Seniors is incorrect. To pass an A Licence practical you need to use guided discovery, this method is very well suited to all ages. This means you have to study every little detail within your session objective. Once you have all this information you can use from 9s to Seniors because the information is the technical details and the tactical details. Once you have the technical details you can create smaller games or technical sessions for younger players.
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possessionfootball wrote:I have passed the Advanced B and Advanced A Licence.
Some comments relating to it been directed at Seniors is incorrect. To pass an A Licence practical you need to use guided discovery, this method is very well suited to all ages. This means you have to study every little detail within your session objective. Once you have all this information you can use from 9s to Seniors because the information is the technical details and the tactical details. Once you have the technical details you can create smaller games or technical sessions for younger players.
Edited by possessionfootball: 13/3/2013 07:38:49 PM Guided Discovery is also used in the FFA C Licence and the FFA SAP course. Roughly it equates to a heuristic or constructivist approach in contempoary teaching methodology. That is where students discover for themselves. This is the opposite to a didactic mode of instruction, where students are told how to do something. In our KNVB course, there was considerable onus setting up the correct games, SSGs, with width and depth. The rationale was that the game would be the teacher. Would you agree, mate? After observing many sessions taken by our head Skills Acquisition Program instructor, he provided many scenarios where he asked players to provide a solution to a problem they were encountering in a particular session. I could see he was creating thinking players by intervening. I am now coaching some of his former prodigies. They have phenomenal game sense compared to other players who have not had access to the SAP. I knew this was a weakness in my coaching about 8 months ago and desperately wanted to do something about it. What I didn't know, was what specifically this weakness was, in terms of specific football terminology. After doing the C Licence and the SAP course, I know these terms are player actions and coaching cues. These should be provided by the coach. This has greatly improved my coaching. I have improved immeasurably just over the last three weeks, becoming more familiar with these concepts and observing some top coaches using them on the training track. This should not be mistaken that I consider the FFA C Licence to be superior to the KNVB Youth Certificate. What the C Licence did, was really go into depth in a four stage coaching pro forma/module and augment pre-existing knowledge. I still think the KNVB Youth Certificate was decidedly superior in providing a broad methodology about what to coach at which ages. It also provided better instruction on how to set up a team in a defensive structure, how to set up teams in a 1-4-3-3 and how to analyse games from a defensive perspective. it also provided kinaesthetic structures as an excellent precursor to what the FFA C Licence termed Words and Pictures. I believe FFA considered that all coaches participating in C Licence courses have a thorough background in imparting technique and setting up the 1-4-3-3. They don't. The KNVB and FFA Skills Acquisition course provide a very important background for the FFA C Licence. I believe the FFA SAP 2 day course was almost as useful as the 13 day C Licence, from my perspective of already having completed the KNVB Youth Certificate before studying the two FFA courses. I suggest the FFA SAP 2 day course should be compulsory for all coaches, regardless of which age group coaches coach. It really was an excellent course from just two days instruction. I'd call SAP Coerver with game sense.When SAP really consolidates, we should be a pretty good football nation after 10 years implementation. One small concern I have, in all the FFA coaches I've met and been under the tutelage of in clinics/courses, other than Norm Boardman, and to a lesser extent our local SAP trainer, nobody within FFA alludes to minimum numbers of touches in training sessions. At any level 600 is considered a minimum. In CFP, club and rep teams I take, we have never been under 660 touches per session. No other session from other coaches I've seen, comes anywhere near these figures. Arsene Wenger likes 1000 touches minimum, which in 90 minutes, I sometimes struggle to reach. Edited by Decentric: 20/3/2013 06:15:01 PM
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One small concern I have, in all the FFA coaches I've met and been under the tutelage of in clinics/courses, other than Norm Boardman, and to a lesser extent our local SAP trainer, nobody within FFA alludes to minimum numbers of touches in training sessions.
At any level 600 is considered a minimum.
Have you asked the other FFA coaches why their isn't a focus on the amount of touches in training sessions? Since our technical ability is well below most asian nations, i would of thought a great deal of attention would be placed on this.
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Decentric wrote:possessionfootball wrote:I have passed the Advanced B and Advanced A Licence.
Some comments relating to it been directed at Seniors is incorrect. To pass an A Licence practical you need to use guided discovery, this method is very well suited to all ages. This means you have to study every little detail within your session objective. Once you have all this information you can use from 9s to Seniors because the information is the technical details and the tactical details. Once you have the technical details you can create smaller games or technical sessions for younger players.
Edited by possessionfootball: 13/3/2013 07:38:49 PM Guided Discovery is also used in the FFA C Licence and the FFA SAP course. Roughly it equates to a heuristic or constructivist approach in contempoary teaching methodology. That is where students discover for themselves. This is the opposite to a didactic mode of instruction, where students are told how to do something. In our KNVB course, there was considerable onus setting up the correct games, SSGs, with width and depth. The rationale was that the game would be the teacher. Would you agree, mate? After observing many sessions taken by our head Skills Acquisition Program instructor, he provided many scenarios where he asked players to provide a solution to a problem they were encountering in a particular session. I could see he was creating thinking players by intervening. I am now coaching some of his former prodigies. They have phenomenal game sense compared to other players who have not had access to the SAP. I knew this was a weakness in my coaching about 8 months ago and desperately wanted to do something about it. What I didn't know, was what specifically this weakness was, in terms of specific football terminology. After doing the C Licence and the SAP course, I know these terms are player actions and coaching cues. These should be provided by the coach. This has greatly improved my coaching. I have improved immeasurably just over the last three weeks, becoming more familiar with these concepts and observing some top coaches using them on the training track. This should not be mistaken that I consider the FFA C Licence to be superior to the KNVB Youth Certificate. What the C Licence did, was really go into depth in a four stage coaching pro forma/module and augment pre-existing knowledge. I still think the KNVB Youth Certificate was decidedly superior in providing a broad methodology about what to coach at which ages. It also provided better instruction on how to set up a team in a defensive structure, how to set up teams in a 1-4-3-3 and how to analyse games from a defensive perspective. it also provided kinaesthetic structures as an excellent precursor to what the FFA C Licence termed Words and Pictures. I believe FFA considered that all coaches participating in C Licence courses have a thorough background in imparting technique and setting up the 1-4-3-3. They don't. The KNVB and FFA Skills Acquisition course provide a very important background for the FFA C Licence. I believe the FFA SAP 2 day course was almost as useful as the 13 day C Licence, from my perspective of already having completed the KNVB Youth Certificate before studying the two FFA courses. I suggest the FFA SAP 2 day course should be compulsory for all coaches, regardless of which age group coaches coach. It really was an excellent course from just two days instruction. I'd call SAP Coerver with game sense.When SAP really consolidates, we should be a pretty good football nation after 10 years implementation. One small concern I have, in all the FFA coaches I've met and been under the tutelage of in clinics/courses, other than Norm Boardman, and to a lesser extent our local SAP trainer, nobody within FFA alludes to minimum numbers of touches in training sessions. At any level 600 is considered a minimum. In CFP, club and rep teams I take, we have never been under 660 touches per session. No other session from other coaches I've seen, comes anywhere near these figures. Arsene Wenger likes 1000 touches minimum, which in 90 minutes, I sometimes struggle to reach. Edited by Decentric: 20/3/2013 06:15:01 PM always remember "A touch is a touch, even a bad one" - Bert-Jan Heijmans - The dutchUK football school
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dirkvanadidas wrote:Decentric wrote:possessionfootball wrote:I have passed the Advanced B and Advanced A Licence.
Some comments relating to it been directed at Seniors is incorrect. To pass an A Licence practical you need to use guided discovery, this method is very well suited to all ages. This means you have to study every little detail within your session objective. Once you have all this information you can use from 9s to Seniors because the information is the technical details and the tactical details. Once you have the technical details you can create smaller games or technical sessions for younger players.
Edited by possessionfootball: 13/3/2013 07:38:49 PM Guided Discovery is also used in the FFA C Licence and the FFA SAP course. Roughly it equates to a heuristic or constructivist approach in contempoary teaching methodology. That is where students discover for themselves. This is the opposite to a didactic mode of instruction, where students are told how to do something. In our KNVB course, there was considerable onus setting up the correct games, SSGs, with width and depth. The rationale was that the game would be the teacher. Would you agree, mate? After observing many sessions taken by our head Skills Acquisition Program instructor, he provided many scenarios where he asked players to provide a solution to a problem they were encountering in a particular session. I could see he was creating thinking players by intervening. I am now coaching some of his former prodigies. They have phenomenal game sense compared to other players who have not had access to the SAP. I knew this was a weakness in my coaching about 8 months ago and desperately wanted to do something about it. What I didn't know, was what specifically this weakness was, in terms of specific football terminology. After doing the C Licence and the SAP course, I know these terms are player actions and coaching cues. These should be provided by the coach. This has greatly improved my coaching. I have improved immeasurably just over the last three weeks, becoming more familiar with these concepts and observing some top coaches using them on the training track. This should not be mistaken that I consider the FFA C Licence to be superior to the KNVB Youth Certificate. What the C Licence did, was really go into depth in a four stage coaching pro forma/module and augment pre-existing knowledge. I still think the KNVB Youth Certificate was decidedly superior in providing a broad methodology about what to coach at which ages. It also provided better instruction on how to set up a team in a defensive structure, how to set up teams in a 1-4-3-3 and how to analyse games from a defensive perspective. it also provided kinaesthetic structures as an excellent precursor to what the FFA C Licence termed Words and Pictures. I believe FFA considered that all coaches participating in C Licence courses have a thorough background in imparting technique and setting up the 1-4-3-3. They don't. The KNVB and FFA Skills Acquisition course provide a very important background for the FFA C Licence. I believe the FFA SAP 2 day course was almost as useful as the 13 day C Licence, from my perspective of already having completed the KNVB Youth Certificate before studying the two FFA courses. I suggest the FFA SAP 2 day course should be compulsory for all coaches, regardless of which age group coaches coach. It really was an excellent course from just two days instruction. I'd call SAP Coerver with game sense.When SAP really consolidates, we should be a pretty good football nation after 10 years implementation. One small concern I have, in all the FFA coaches I've met and been under the tutelage of in clinics/courses, other than Norm Boardman, and to a lesser extent our local SAP trainer, nobody within FFA alludes to minimum numbers of touches in training sessions. At any level 600 is considered a minimum. In CFP, club and rep teams I take, we have never been under 660 touches per session. No other session from other coaches I've seen, comes anywhere near these figures. Arsene Wenger likes 1000 touches minimum, which in 90 minutes, I sometimes struggle to reach. Edited by Decentric: 20/3/2013 06:15:01 PM always remember "A touch is a touch, even a bad one" - Bert-Jan Heijmans - The dutchUK football school I am not at liberty to disclose who said what, but some FFA big wigs think of "quality touches". In one of my last sessions, the assistant coach had counted 490 touches at the 10 minute mark. There were 630 at the end of Warm Up, or Passing Practice as FFA would term it. The KNVB call it the technique phase to work on the weakness identified from the game. These touches in the Warm Up are done with no pressure from other players. The 'quality touches' can be seen in the following: In Positioning Games, Game Training and Training Games, the same player accrued a further 174 touches to make a total of 804. The 174 touches were achieved against opposition in Positioning Games - Player In Soups, 4v1 and 5v2 from Dirk's Academy Sessions the sticky at the top of this page. Then Game Training ( 7v7 the defence and midfield against the attack and midfield with keepers). KNVB uses 7v7 with keepers in this phase, but always with strict allocated positions that replicate the formation of the team in games. Then Training Game 8v8 including keepers. I feel that most of the C Licence trained coaches were still unaware of the mandatory 600 touches at the end of the course. However, if they had been at the Skills Acquisition Program course, they would have inadvertently made the 600 touches each training session. Only four 2013 C Licence graduates and two from last year's course were there. Edited by Decentric: 20/3/2013 10:13:54 PM
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switters wrote:One small concern I have, in all the FFA coaches I've met and been under the tutelage of in clinics/courses, other than Norm Boardman, and to a lesser extent our local SAP trainer, nobody within FFA alludes to minimum numbers of touches in training sessions.
At any level 600 is considered a minimum.
Have you asked the other FFA coaches why their isn't a focus on the amount of touches in training sessions? Since our technical ability is well below most asian nations, i would of thought a great deal of attention would be placed on this.
Switters, it is a good point. See the aforementioned point about what are considered quality touches by FFA coaches made under pressure from opposition players in SSGs. Norm Boardman is about 4th or 5th in the FFA hierarchy, so he would be passing this 600 touches on to a lot of coaches. He took the SAP roadshow for FFA around Australia last year. What concerns me is that a number of club coaches tell me what they think are the technical limitations of a player aged 12, 13 or 14 and up to adults . To me, if a player works hard and has the correct instruction, they will improve immeasurably. If they play a lot of SSGs at school, before school, at recess and lunch, plus play futsal, there will be an improvement. This happened in rep selections this year. I told some parents that other players may have worked much harder in the off season. Hence, their game improved and they were selected in a rep team, that some players selected last year missed out on. Edited by Decentric: 20/3/2013 10:14:31 PM
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So now that there is a new 212 page curriculum, does anybody know how to get there hands on a copy? I would assume that they would be handed out at Advanced licence courses and refresher courses but I can not find a C licence anywhere that starts before September this year. Any advice would be great.
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I'm starting the second part of the B Licence course in about two weeks; I fully expect to receive information about it at that time.
If they're continuing with the old curriculum, just because it was active at the time of the first half of the course, it's going to be a big let down.
We haven't had any emails regarding the update. Actually, all I've seen in regards to it - from the FFA or any other state federation - is Capital Football (ACT) providing a free seminar run by Han Berger. You'd hope they'd be more actively pushing this update.
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Steelinho wrote:I'm starting the second part of the B Licence course in about two weeks; I fully expect to receive information about it at that time.
If they're continuing with the old curriculum, just because it was active at the time of the first half of the course, it's going to be a big let down.
We haven't had any emails regarding the update. Actually, all I've seen in regards to it - from the FFA or any other state federation - is Capital Football (ACT) providing a free seminar run by Han Berger. You'd hope they'd be more actively pushing this update. It will be a big let down. The changes are occurring so quickly.
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Hey Guys - if you're referring to my article in the new mag - it's not a new curriculum. It's a expanded second version of the existing curriculum - I tried to make the clear in my piece.
All the building blocks are unchanged - there is just much more detail and model sessions for each phase.
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The one thing I'm confused about is why does the FFV schedule C license course dates on a Saturday. Majority of games at least senior men's games anyway are played on Saturdays. Rules me out of doing the course as I'll be coaching.
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krisskrash wrote:The one thing I'm confused about is why does the FFV schedule C license course dates on a Saturday. Majority of games at least senior men's games anyway are played on Saturdays. Rules me out of doing the course as I'll be coaching. They did ours in the off season. Initially, it was supposed to be October and November, but it ended up being late November to early March. Missed out on a lot of social occasions and cricket watching.:cry:
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Draupnir wrote:krisskrash wrote:Did the Senior License courses earlier this year. Wasn't that happy with it, got a little bit of advice on my communication but that's about it in terms of what I feel I got out of it. Plus I'm still waiting on the FFV to send me certificates and paper work and that's about 4 months down the track.
Would be quite interested in the AFC C license and taking part in a KNVB course, so this thread is great. Hey krisskrash, thanks for the input. I have enrolled into both the senior certificates and license courses. They start in about 6 weeks. I am not exactly sure what to expect from them but I will post my opinions about them afterwards. How would you describe the assessment task for the senior license? I am a little nervous about it (slightly shy!). At the moment for this thread I am working with information from with English FA and the UEFA courses. Ironically the UEFA B residential course is cheaper and longer than the FFA C license. No problems, I wasn't a huge fan of the certificates. You basically just work through the drills in the handbooks given, you'll end up running other people in the group through these drills. The most useful part I found was the advice given on how I was talking to people and communicating with the group. In terms of the assessment you'll be fine. Just take on board the advice given during the certificate session from the presenter, and be loud and assertive with your instructions. They want the training sessions you run to answer these question. Does it look like football? (So it must be game based, not shooting drills with people lined up etc.) Are the players engaged in the drill quickly? (So you can't stand around and talk forever, you've got two minutes to say your instructions and have them partaking in the drill.) Do the players respond in a positive manner? (So are they all actively involved and getting something out of it.) Can you modify the drill in a productive manner to help achieve your outcome? (Eg- if it's a possession drill and the players are turning the ball over too quickly, how can you modify it to help the players retain possesion (make the area bigger, give one team an extra player etc)) The one thing I didn't like was the instructors were not a big fan of ideas that weren't going along with the curriculum. One example would be that I'm not a huge fan of ball work for a warm-up (for senior men, I think juniors are a different story), I find two things can happen my players either wouldn't take it seriously and end up not warm, plus wouldn't do their dynamic stretches when off the ball. Or they'd go too hard and end up straining something during the warmup. My preferred option is 4 laps around the pitch as a team (works on every together as a unit, plus I nominate a different player each session to build up a sense of leadership), with dynamic stretches in between jogging, sprinting and jumping has the players warm, stretched and ready to begin ball work at a good level of intensity. I know it's not FFA approved but it's what I find works with my group of players and achieves the results I need in terms of warming them up. So I had a bit of an argument with the instructor about warm ups.
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Andy Jackson wrote:Hey Guys - if you're referring to my article in the new mag - it's not a new curriculum. It's a expanded second version of the existing curriculum - I tried to make the clear in my piece.
All the building blocks are unchanged - there is just much more detail and model sessions for each phase.
Cheers Andy Sorry Andy, you are correct. I shouldn't have written 'new curriculum' I should say expanded curriculum. I can't wait to get my hands on it so if any of you know how to get a hold of it (if it has been approved as yet) and/or the Football Coaching Process + FFA coaching expertise model please let me know.
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hi mate
I don't believe anyone has it as yet - we were working through it as a beta test - testing all the model sessions during the week...as far as I know the release time was being slated for 2 months after this. I'll speak to FFA for an update.
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Decentric wrote:dirkvanadidas wrote:Decentric wrote:possessionfootball wrote:I have passed the Advanced B and Advanced A Licence.
Some comments relating to it been directed at Seniors is incorrect. To pass an A Licence practical you need to use guided discovery, this method is very well suited to all ages. This means you have to study every little detail within your session objective. Once you have all this information you can use from 9s to Seniors because the information is the technical details and the tactical details. Once you have the technical details you can create smaller games or technical sessions for younger players.
Edited by possessionfootball: 13/3/2013 07:38:49 PM Guided Discovery is also used in the FFA C Licence and the FFA SAP course. Roughly it equates to a heuristic or constructivist approach in contempoary teaching methodology. That is where students discover for themselves. This is the opposite to a didactic mode of instruction, where students are told how to do something. In our KNVB course, there was considerable onus setting up the correct games, SSGs, with width and depth. The rationale was that the game would be the teacher. Would you agree, mate? After observing many sessions taken by our head Skills Acquisition Program instructor, he provided many scenarios where he asked players to provide a solution to a problem they were encountering in a particular session. I could see he was creating thinking players by intervening. I am now coaching some of his former prodigies. They have phenomenal game sense compared to other players who have not had access to the SAP. I knew this was a weakness in my coaching about 8 months ago and desperately wanted to do something about it. What I didn't know, was what specifically this weakness was, in terms of specific football terminology. After doing the C Licence and the SAP course, I know these terms are player actions and coaching cues. These should be provided by the coach. This has greatly improved my coaching. I have improved immeasurably just over the last three weeks, becoming more familiar with these concepts and observing some top coaches using them on the training track. This should not be mistaken that I consider the FFA C Licence to be superior to the KNVB Youth Certificate. What the C Licence did, was really go into depth in a four stage coaching pro forma/module and augment pre-existing knowledge. I still think the KNVB Youth Certificate was decidedly superior in providing a broad methodology about what to coach at which ages. It also provided better instruction on how to set up a team in a defensive structure, how to set up teams in a 1-4-3-3 and how to analyse games from a defensive perspective. it also provided kinaesthetic structures as an excellent precursor to what the FFA C Licence termed Words and Pictures. I believe FFA considered that all coaches participating in C Licence courses have a thorough background in imparting technique and setting up the 1-4-3-3. They don't. The KNVB and FFA Skills Acquisition course provide a very important background for the FFA C Licence. I believe the FFA SAP 2 day course was almost as useful as the 13 day C Licence, from my perspective of already having completed the KNVB Youth Certificate before studying the two FFA courses. I suggest the FFA SAP 2 day course should be compulsory for all coaches, regardless of which age group coaches coach. It really was an excellent course from just two days instruction. I'd call SAP Coerver with game sense.When SAP really consolidates, we should be a pretty good football nation after 10 years implementation. One small concern I have, in all the FFA coaches I've met and been under the tutelage of in clinics/courses, other than Norm Boardman, and to a lesser extent our local SAP trainer, nobody within FFA alludes to minimum numbers of touches in training sessions. At any level 600 is considered a minimum. In CFP, club and rep teams I take, we have never been under 660 touches per session. No other session from other coaches I've seen, comes anywhere near these figures. Arsene Wenger likes 1000 touches minimum, which in 90 minutes, I sometimes struggle to reach. Edited by Decentric: 20/3/2013 06:15:01 PM always remember "A touch is a touch, even a bad one" - Bert-Jan Heijmans - The dutchUK football school I am not at liberty to disclose who said what, but some FFA big wigs think of "quality touches". In one of my last sessions, the assistant coach had counted 490 touches at the 10 minute mark. There were 630 at the end of Warm Up, or Passing Practice as FFA would term it. The KNVB call it the technique phase to work on the weakness identified from the game. These touches in the Warm Up are done with no pressure from other players. The 'quality touches' can be seen in the following: In Positioning Games, Game Training and Training Games, the same player accrued a further 174 touches to make a total of 804. The 174 touches were achieved against opposition in Positioning Games - Player In Soups, 4v1 and 5v2 from Dirk's Academy Sessions the sticky at the top of this page. Then Game Training ( 7v7 the defence and midfield against the attack and midfield with keepers). KNVB uses 7v7 with keepers in this phase, but always with strict allocated positions that replicate the formation of the team in games. Then Training Game 8v8 including keepers. I feel that most of the C Licence trained coaches were still unaware of the mandatory 600 touches at the end of the course. However, if they had been at the Skills Acquisition Program course, they would have inadvertently made the 600 touches each training session. Only four 2013 C Licence graduates and two from last year's course were there. Edited by Decentric: 20/3/2013 10:13:54 PM What drills do you do in your warmup to get so many touches?
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tjwhalan wrote:Decentric wrote:dirkvanadidas wrote:Decentric wrote:possessionfootball wrote:I have passed the Advanced B and Advanced A Licence.
Some comments relating to it been directed at Seniors is incorrect. To pass an A Licence practical you need to use guided discovery, this method is very well suited to all ages. This means you have to study every little detail within your session objective. Once you have all this information you can use from 9s to Seniors because the information is the technical details and the tactical details. Once you have the technical details you can create smaller games or technical sessions for younger players.
Edited by possessionfootball: 13/3/2013 07:38:49 PM Guided Discovery is also used in the FFA C Licence and the FFA SAP course. Roughly it equates to a heuristic or constructivist approach in contempoary teaching methodology. That is where students discover for themselves. This is the opposite to a didactic mode of instruction, where students are told how to do something. In our KNVB course, there was considerable onus setting up the correct games, SSGs, with width and depth. The rationale was that the game would be the teacher. Would you agree, mate? After observing many sessions taken by our head Skills Acquisition Program instructor, he provided many scenarios where he asked players to provide a solution to a problem they were encountering in a particular session. I could see he was creating thinking players by intervening. I am now coaching some of his former prodigies. They have phenomenal game sense compared to other players who have not had access to the SAP. I knew this was a weakness in my coaching about 8 months ago and desperately wanted to do something about it. What I didn't know, was what specifically this weakness was, in terms of specific football terminology. After doing the C Licence and the SAP course, I know these terms are player actions and coaching cues. These should be provided by the coach. This has greatly improved my coaching. I have improved immeasurably just over the last three weeks, becoming more familiar with these concepts and observing some top coaches using them on the training track. This should not be mistaken that I consider the FFA C Licence to be superior to the KNVB Youth Certificate. What the C Licence did, was really go into depth in a four stage coaching pro forma/module and augment pre-existing knowledge. I still think the KNVB Youth Certificate was decidedly superior in providing a broad methodology about what to coach at which ages. It also provided better instruction on how to set up a team in a defensive structure, how to set up teams in a 1-4-3-3 and how to analyse games from a defensive perspective. it also provided kinaesthetic structures as an excellent precursor to what the FFA C Licence termed Words and Pictures. I believe FFA considered that all coaches participating in C Licence courses have a thorough background in imparting technique and setting up the 1-4-3-3. They don't. The KNVB and FFA Skills Acquisition course provide a very important background for the FFA C Licence. I believe the FFA SAP 2 day course was almost as useful as the 13 day C Licence, from my perspective of already having completed the KNVB Youth Certificate before studying the two FFA courses. I suggest the FFA SAP 2 day course should be compulsory for all coaches, regardless of which age group coaches coach. It really was an excellent course from just two days instruction. I'd call SAP Coerver with game sense.When SAP really consolidates, we should be a pretty good football nation after 10 years implementation. One small concern I have, in all the FFA coaches I've met and been under the tutelage of in clinics/courses, other than Norm Boardman, and to a lesser extent our local SAP trainer, nobody within FFA alludes to minimum numbers of touches in training sessions. At any level 600 is considered a minimum. In CFP, club and rep teams I take, we have never been under 660 touches per session. No other session from other coaches I've seen, comes anywhere near these figures. Arsene Wenger likes 1000 touches minimum, which in 90 minutes, I sometimes struggle to reach. Edited by Decentric: 20/3/2013 06:15:01 PM always remember "A touch is a touch, even a bad one" - Bert-Jan Heijmans - The dutchUK football school I am not at liberty to disclose who said what, but some FFA big wigs think of "quality touches". In one of my last sessions, the assistant coach had counted 490 touches at the 10 minute mark. There were 630 at the end of Warm Up, or Passing Practice as FFA would term it. The KNVB call it the technique phase to work on the weakness identified from the game. These touches in the Warm Up are done with no pressure from other players. The 'quality touches' can be seen in the following: In Positioning Games, Game Training and Training Games, the same player accrued a further 174 touches to make a total of 804. The 174 touches were achieved against opposition in Positioning Games - Player In Soups, 4v1 and 5v2 from Dirk's Academy Sessions the sticky at the top of this page. Then Game Training ( 7v7 the defence and midfield against the attack and midfield with keepers). KNVB uses 7v7 with keepers in this phase, but always with strict allocated positions that replicate the formation of the team in games. Then Training Game 8v8 including keepers. I feel that most of the C Licence trained coaches were still unaware of the mandatory 600 touches at the end of the course. However, if they had been at the Skills Acquisition Program course, they would have inadvertently made the 600 touches each training session. Only four 2013 C Licence graduates and two from last year's course were there. Edited by Decentric: 20/3/2013 10:13:54 PM What drills do you do in your warmup to get so many touches? Some of them I don't have videos for, but I will link you to ones where you do get a lot of touches. I will do this over time.
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TJ Whalan, I'll start a thread on this.
That is, how to accrue high numbers of touches in a session.
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Outside of the final assessment (which nobody has yet completed as it will be through video review), I've completed the B Licence. It was fairly intense.
From the C to the B Licence, there is a lot of refinement of training methods and, in some cases - particularly the conditioning cycle - you have to forget some of the stuff you were told in the C Licence course as it's replaced by alternate practices in this one.
On the last day of the course, I still found myself refining session plans (more the wording of various things, such as team tasks) that had already been submitted, so the rift of quality and refinement between the C and B Licences becomes quite apparent. The fact that we each got to conduct our GT sessions and have video reviews helped us all immensely, especially with peer assessment. It's interesting to get perspectives of your sessions (both what you have on paper and how you performed on video) and how different they probably are from your own.
Having never coached a full team before the course, things like match day timelines and other such details were initially over my head somewhat, but the detail we went into after some presentations was really useful (and slightly daunting for most at the course).
Many who went through the old courses and were handed a C Licence by default struggled with certain parts of the course, as it was basically thrown at them without warning. Conditioning and the Game Training parts were the notorious culprits, but those who discussed this and asked questions to other participants, Rob Sherman and Airton Andrioli (the state technical director) seemed to get a grasp of at least the basics by the end of the course. There were a lot of "We're so far behind," comments in the first week of the course by these people, who realised just how much has changed in terms of coaching practices.
One of the problems in going from the course to real life coaching is how much of it can actually be applied to many coaches' situations. I recently took on a team (U17) which was picked before my joining; only getting 5-7 of these players out to training means that little of what I would like to implement from these courses can actually be used (where real-life situations cannot be genuinely replicated without at least a few more players) and the sessions really become nothing more than skill development and SSG nights; something that they should theoretically have moved away from a few years ago. Thankfully, as a coaching coordinator, I've been able to assist the other coaches with their sessions and give them advice (particularly the reserves team, where I've been able to apply a lot of things from the courses).
I've been asked to start coaching one of the STIC groups, which I started this week. They're a young group (U12s), but the healthy numbers and enthusiasm of the group means a lot of what I've picked up can finally be put into practice, even while adjusting it to that age.
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Steelinho, you did very well to go so quickly from the C Licence to B Licence.=d>
Congratulations.
A coach I know won FFA amateur coach of the year in Australia a few months ago, but still didn't pass his B Licence.
He did the old C lIcence by default, when a senior Licence was converted into a C LIcence.
Nobody from our C Licence would have been deemed anyway near good enough to go straight onto the B licence.
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Congratulations Steelinho!
What are your plans for moving towards to A license?
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Thanks, guys. Not quite finished (that final video assessment hasn't been done by anyone on the course yet), but appreciate it.
Interesting thing about this assessment is that we have two full years to complete it, meaning you can be assessed up to three times by December 31, 2015. I have serious doubts that anybody would be leaving it that late, but I suppose it gives people ample time to find the players/team they need, if their team isn't suitable to perform all the actions required (i.e. if they're a coach of very young juniors). It's a relatively comprehensive assessment. I'll be looking for a team to use other than my own two fairly soon; one of my groups is an U12 STIC side and the other is a group of U17 girls that hardly ever show up to training, so neither are really suitable.
As for the A Licence, Draupnir, I'm a little bit up in the air. Next course won't start until mid-next year (goes in two year cycles), so I have time to think about it, if I were to go for that one. My original intention was to go through the courses in rapid succession, meaning completing the A Licence by 2015 (the next cycle). There are one or two others from my B Licence course that also intend on doing the same, but they're currently coaching at higher levels (i.e. Adelaide United) and therefore would have a much better - as in, more readily available - support network. I could bounce ideas off them, because they've become good friends, but I want to make sure I'm suitably prepared and have everything (i.e. my own "Football Vision & Philosophy," which is actually a separate assessment for the course) prepared.
So, for now, I'm not quite sure when I'll be doing it - I definitely will at some point - but I have just over a year to work that out. I'd love to get back to the point I was at two years ago, but patience is a virtue.
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Steelinho wrote: I'll be looking for a team to use other than my own two fairly soon; one of my groups is an U12 STIC side and the o ther is a group of U17 girls that hardly ever show up to training, so neither are really suitable. . You really need to work with adult players and get some serious hours in. Are your local zone/state able to assist in finding suitable teams to coach?
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dirkvanadidas wrote:Steelinho wrote: I'll be looking for a team to use other than my own two fairly soon; one of my groups is an U12 STIC side and the o ther is a group of U17 girls that hardly ever show up to training, so neither are really suitable. . You really need to work with adult players and get some serious hours in. Are your local zone/state able to assist in finding suitable teams to coach? I don't disagree with you at all. To be honest, I sometimes wonder why I even bother with a team where I only get 5-7 players out to training (and the club can't arrange more than 12 players for my team in total). The fact that they're now also being messed around at their school teams doesn't help the cause, either. I don't think there are a lot of people around the traps that actually understand the licencing system. I saw one reserves position saying the minimum was a "Senior Licence (Asian B)" and another person, when I responded to a question by saying I had a C Licence (at the time), asked me what that was. Both looking for coaches for their teams. There doesn't seem to be any real knowledge beyond the community certificates. It still appears to be a boys' club when it comes to coaching appointments at club level, according to people I met on the courses in those kinds of jobs; I was grateful the State TD offered me the STIC coaching job without applying. (Applications were a couple of months ago.) I anticipate myself enjoying that role and it should help me get a little bit of experience in using the curriculum structure, opposed to how I've been forced to operate with the girls' team. As for them helping me find a more senior position somewhere; I suppose it's worth a shot, but I don't think I'll be holding my breath. More likely I'll have to bide my time and wait until the end of the season or for a position to become vacant.
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Steelinho wrote:dirkvanadidas wrote:Steelinho wrote: I'll be looking for a team to use other than my own two fairly soon; one of my groups is an U12 STIC side and the o ther is a group of U17 girls that hardly ever show up to training, so neither are really suitable. . You really need to work with adult players and get some serious hours in. Are your local zone/state able to assist in finding suitable teams to coach? I don't disagree with you at all. To be honest, I sometimes wonder why I even bother with a team where I only get 5-7 players out to training (and the club can't arrange more than 12 players for my team in total). The fact that they're now also being messed around at their school teams doesn't help the cause, either. It still appears to be a boys' club when it comes to coaching appointments at club level, according to people I met on the courses in those kinds of jobs; I was grateful the State TD offered me the STIC coaching job without applying. (Applications were a couple of months ago.) I anticipate myself enjoying that role and it should help me get a little bit of experience in using the curriculum structure, opposed to how I've been forced to operate with the girls' team. We have some common ground. Last year I was giving technical direction. However, a number of players I was coaching, didn't really want it. Essentially, they were social players. A bit like either Neverwozzwa or TJ Whalan. That is, a team was having success from working hard to improve. They told a few mates who came along. The 'mates' were a problem to coach. Then I spent alot of time in FFA courses. When doing the C Licence, I thought I really needed to put a lot of it into practice. I applied for assistant coach, co - coach, head coach for all rep teams who played 11 a side from under 12 to under 14, with under 14 being the top job. Some junior associations were using' name' current players, with little coaching background, about 30 years younger than me. I thought I wasn't going to get a job. Then I was offered the highest of all the jobs with state FFA. Now it is living with high pressure. It is fine coaching players from clubs, but to have to coach half a dozen guys who just missed out on NTC, coached by one of the best SAP/Skilleroo coaches in Australia, is a hard act to follow. #-o Nearly all the parents are trained coaches, and, the players have the disappointment of me coaching them after being under the tutelage of a veritable supercoach, possibly every bit as good as the assistant Matilda and assistant Socceroo coaches who live here. He is one of the FFA NC writers.#-o We have 4 staff coaches with state FFA, plus the two NTC assistants, who are so much more advanced than the rest of the coaching fraternity, with the notable exceptions being one or two state league senior coaches. At SAP/Skilleroo coach is very willing to have me along to his training sessions to observe. He provides gratuitous advice and explanations too, and is willing to answer my many boring questions about his exemplary practice. It is a massive challenge to improve, fast, and, to live with the pressure of underperformances in big tournaments. These tournaments are used to determine NTC selection. This is better than trying to motivate social players to practice at all.:)
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Huge congratulations on the STIC position by the way Steelinho. The boys' club is really a pity, but not a surprise.
If you're having trouble finding players/teams in general, what do you guys think about approaching high schools? Apart from the elite sporting high schools, I can't really see many teachers having any licenses at all. I know you have a lot of experience with working in schools Decentric, so what do you think of this idea? I have no experience there at all, but from an outsider's perspective it would seem like a readily available source of always available players?
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Hey again guys. Is anyone here looking at doing the Central C license in October? I will be heading along to that one. I can't justify the extra $1200 in accommodation/food fees for a single room at the AIS, so I think I'll probably just rough it at a YHA close by, or maybe a decent hotel that's around. Anybody got any recommendations? Edit; Application and detail form hereEdited by Draupnir: 16/5/2013 03:22:50 AM
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Draupnir wrote:Huge congratulations on the STIC position by the way Steelinho. The boys' club is really a pity, but not a surprise.
If you're having trouble finding players/teams in general, what do you guys think about approaching high schools? Apart from the elite sporting high schools, I can't really see many teachers having any licenses at all. I know you have a lot of experience with working in schools Decentric, so what do you think of this idea? I have no experience there at all, but from an outsider's perspective it would seem like a readily available source of always available players? Thanks. Technically started doing that on Monday, but we just the group of 28 play a game and we moved players between teams and positions to find a balance and make two teams of 14 for us two coaches to work on separately. Based on the players I've been "given" through that game, I'm somewhat excited about this coming Monday, which will be the first real session for us. As for schools, they can be great for getting numbers, but there's a risk you end up with a chasm in quality and understanding amongst your group, which could lead to you focusing a lot/too much of your time on bringing them up to speed. (Playing style, numbering system, etc., etc.) Also, you'd have to make sure you get enough out that you're essentially having another set of trials - making sure there are no personality clashes is a big part of making sure the players will be mentally switched on. A lot of schools, I've noticed, are now developing their own football programs, which is good as it turns out schools take priority over clubs (at least for women's football in this state); if both a club and a school have a game on at conflicting times, the club has to hand its players over to the school. Coaches at schools apparently get paid fairly well - I hear it can be around $35/hr at private schools for someone without an advanced coaching licence - so they can attract people to help out. I think it's a very good sign for the future, so long as the right people at the schools are making the right decisions regarding who coaches the children.
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Draupnir wrote:Hey again guys. Is anyone here looking at doing the Central C license in October? I will be heading along to that one. I can't justify the extra $1200 in accommodation/food fees for a single room at the AIS, so I think I'll probably just rough it at a YHA close by, or maybe a decent hotel that's around. Anybody got any recommendations? Edit; Application and detail form hereEdited by Draupnir: 16/5/2013 03:22:50 AM Yeah im looking at doing the youth part, I was hoping to do the senior community license first though no one at North Coast football seems to want to talk to me. I'm the same no way Id be paying 1200 for accommodation.
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That's actually somewhat appealing. Great excuse for me to go to Canberra and see what they're doing with the Youth Course. Draupnir, are you planning on doing the senior or youth course?
I hear that taking the accommodation option is valuable for the B Licence (and I'd have to agree from my own experiences of the regional version), but I don't think it's really necessary for the C Licence. Main reason it's important on the B Licence is the amount of group work you have to do and how difficult it can be to organise that "off-site."
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Hey guys. I am looking at doing the senior course. I've done a few other small youth courses overseas and I want to get my licenses at senior level I suppose. Why are you going for the youth course TJ?
The youth course and senior course are run together for the first three days and everybody gets separated on days 4-7, so there's plenty of overlapping material.
I can imagine that the accomodation option comes in handy for both group work and as well as making connections, but like you say Steelinho, for a C license at an extra $1200 it's a bit of a stretch. I had a look at a few other options and there's a few budget hotels around that also include breakfast, nothing spectacular - What are the rooms at the AIS like?
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Draupnir wrote: If you're having trouble finding players/teams in general, what do you guys think about approaching high schools? Apart from the elite sporting high schools, I can't really see many teachers having any licenses at all. I know you have a lot of experience with working in schools Decentric, so what do you think of this idea? I have no experience there at all, but from an outsider's perspective it would seem like a readily available source of always available players?
Working in schools, taking football clinics can involve a lot of work and not gaining many players, particularly from age 10 upwards. Most in these age groups are already playing football in clubs if they want to. Teachers love coaches taking clinics. They watch someone else do all the work! I must admit I really enjoy more experienced, elite coaches coaching my team. I use the same football plan for the next session to reinforce what they are attempting to impart to the players.:)
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Steelinho wrote: Coaches at schools apparently get paid fairly well - I hear it can be around $35/hr at private schools for someone without an advanced coaching licence - so they can attract people to help out. I think it's a very good sign for the future, so long as the right people at the schools are making the right decisions regarding who coaches the children.
I'm sure they don't earn that in this state.
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I think that sounds about right for a high end private school in Sydney, from what I've heard anyway (Scots College, Barker, etc).
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Decentric wrote:Draupnir wrote: If you're having trouble finding players/teams in general, what do you guys think about approaching high schools? Apart from the elite sporting high schools, I can't really see many teachers having any licenses at all. I know you have a lot of experience with working in schools Decentric, so what do you think of this idea? I have no experience there at all, but from an outsider's perspective it would seem like a readily available source of always available players?
Working in schools, taking football clinics can involve a lot of work and not gaining many players, particularly from age 10 upwards. Most in these age groups are already playing football in clubs if they want to. Teachers love coaches taking clinics. They watch someone else do all the work! Thanks for the advice. I assumed it'd be the case that everyone already had a club but for me I was thinking it might be a nice entry point if you can get into a school with a decent footballing program.
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Hey guys. I found a nice official UEFA document that lists the number of coaches in each national association that hold B, A and Pro Diploma licenses. I found it pretty interesting so I thought I'd link it. Here it is - http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Tech/uefaorg/General/01/93/37/96/1933796_DOWNLOAD.pdfI found it interesting that SO many Spanish coaches have the Pro Diploma. It really speaks for itself in terms of results I think. Compare the nations with the most educated coaches with recent success and you may see a pattern like I did. That one that stands out in an unusual way is the relatively high amount of Pro Diplomas that Czech coaches have. Maybe a sign for the future? Was surprised that France is quite low. Edited by Draupnir: 27/5/2013 10:47:41 AM
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Decentric wrote:Steelinho wrote: Coaches at schools apparently get paid fairly well - I hear it can be around $35/hr at private schools for someone without an advanced coaching licence - so they can attract people to help out. I think it's a very good sign for the future, so long as the right people at the schools are making the right decisions regarding who coaches the children.
I'm sure they don't earn that in this state. I take the under 15's at the private school I finished at 3 years ago. I get paid $700 for a 7 week season with 1 training a week and no real preseason. I would do it for free, but it's still nice to receive that at the end of the season. I think the coach of the first team get $2000 for the same length of season but a few more trainings and extra cup games.
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Roar #1 wrote:Decentric wrote:Steelinho wrote: Coaches at schools apparently get paid fairly well - I hear it can be around $35/hr at private schools for someone without an advanced coaching licence - so they can attract people to help out. I think it's a very good sign for the future, so long as the right people at the schools are making the right decisions regarding who coaches the children.
I'm sure they don't earn that in this state. I take the under 15's at the private school I finished at 3 years ago. I get paid $700 for a 7 week season with 1 training a week and no real preseason. I would do it for free, but it's still nice to receive that at the end of the season. I think the coach of the first team get $2000 for the same length of season but a few more trainings and extra cup games. That isn't shabby at all! What licenses do you have mate?
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Draupnir wrote:Roar #1 wrote:Decentric wrote:Steelinho wrote: Coaches at schools apparently get paid fairly well - I hear it can be around $35/hr at private schools for someone without an advanced coaching licence - so they can attract people to help out. I think it's a very good sign for the future, so long as the right people at the schools are making the right decisions regarding who coaches the children.
I'm sure they don't earn that in this state. I take the under 15's at the private school I finished at 3 years ago. I get paid $700 for a 7 week season with 1 training a week and no real preseason. I would do it for free, but it's still nice to receive that at the end of the season. I think the coach of the first team get $2000 for the same length of season but a few more trainings and extra cup games. That isn't shabby at all! What licenses do you have mate? None at the moment, I haven't had time to do any, been busy with Uni and other things. I definitely want to start working through them, i need to sit down and look at dates and information.
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That's great though mate. Congratulations on the position anyway, it gives hope to others, heh.
Are you going to go for a community course first or an elite one?
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Draupnir wrote:That's great though mate. Congratulations on the position anyway, it gives hope to others, heh.
Are you going to go for a community course first or an elite one? I guess I'll try a community course first, just to get the feel for them. Then move on through the elite courses.
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Nice! If you get that done in time, you should come and possibly join tjwhalan, Steelinho and I for the Central C license in Canberra this October.
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That could be interesting meeting some of the guys from here face to face. I'll look into it.
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Draupnir wrote:Nice! If you get that done in time, you should come and possibly join tjwhalan, Steelinho and I for the Central C license in Canberra this October. Steelinho already has his C Licence. He is currently doing his B Licence.
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Decentric wrote:Draupnir wrote:Nice! If you get that done in time, you should come and possibly join tjwhalan, Steelinho and I for the Central C license in Canberra this October. Steelinho already has his C Licence. He is currently doing his B Licence. I know, I'm jealous! He said a few pages back that he'd be up for doing the Youth C license which is run in conjunction with the Senior C license. Edited by Draupnir: 29/5/2013 06:18:33 PM
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Roar #1 wrote:Draupnir wrote:That's great though mate. Congratulations on the position anyway, it gives hope to others, heh.
Are you going to go for a community course first or an elite one? I guess I'll try a community course first, just to get the feel for them. Then move on through the elite courses. Even though I've done the C Licence and KNVB Youth Certificate, I feel like I know absolutely nothing[/i[i]] about football compared to the local FFA staff coaches and the NTC assistant coaches. Most of these guys take the local FFA courses, including the regional FFA Advanced Coaching C Licences and the imminent regional B Licence.
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I should also say that one of my instructors has said the new FFA NC C LIcences are possibly harder than old A Licences a decade ago.
The courses are getting more difficult all the time. FFA want Australian coaching courses to be world renowned. Apparently only Japan and Australia are able to construct the content of their own licences that are different to the Asian Confed generic licences.
A few years ago in Europe only Holland, France and Italy were able to formulate their own national courses that differed from the generic UEFA licences.
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the cost of doing all these courses must be quite pricey. I mean if they keep revising the course content after you have finished it, isn't it going to be a financial burden? Im curious because i was thinking of doing these courses just like you guys but work and paying off the mortgage have limited any free time i have.
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switters wrote:the cost of doing all these courses must be quite pricey. I mean if they keep revising the course content after you have finished it, isn't it going to be a financial burden? Im curious because i was thinking of doing these courses just like you guys but work and paying off the mortgage have limited any free time i have. It really is a bit of a stretch. TJ and I mentioned a page back that the prices for the central C license including accommodation is ridiculous at $2640. Taking into account that the C license basically doesn't even exist in the UEFA confederation it's massively disappointing. Sure, it's an investment into your own future, but what can the average C license holder be expected to be paid in a position where a C license is required? The Pro Diploma being so expensive (I think it's around $5k+) kind of makes sense as you need multiple years of high level experience, so there'd be plenty of time to save up for that - Unless you're on a great salary at an A League club or they pay for it. It might be worth looking at doing them regionally switters, if you live anywhere near where they offer it of course. Decentric will be able to let you know more about that route, but it's held over a number of days over a couple of months so it's easier to plan things around it. Edited by Draupnir: 29/5/2013 07:11:16 PM
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The FFA keep saying they deliver the courses as cheaply as possible for its participants but that's hard to believe when you see the difference in prices for this C License. The accommodation is nowhere near that much for a week, it's more like a third of that usually for state teams that stay there.
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Has anyone else looked at the Youth C in Canberra in October
I asked the NNSW TD and he said there would be a regional one next year but their Idea of Regional is Newcastle which is basically just as expensive even if it is a little closer.
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tjwhalan wrote:Has anyone else looked at the Youth C in Canberra in October
I asked the NNSW TD and he said there would be a regional one next year but their Idea of Regional is Newcastle which is basically just as expensive even if it is a little closer.
Edited by tjwhalan: 5/8/2013 10:03:52 AM I may go to some of this. This will have the Youth Component of the new C Licence. The one I did earlier this year was for Senior players. I thought the C Licence was excellent, but I think Possession Football would agree with me, the KNVB Youth Training Certificate we did was excellent augmenting the FFA Advanced Courses. I also found the Skills Acquisition Program 2 day course invaluable for coaching technique. The FFA state Regional conference was also good for emphasising the value of rondos. Underpinned by these other three courses, the C Licence was a very good course. However, only 4 of our intake of 24, did the SAP 2 day course. I think the other 20 needed the SAP course as well as the C Licence. Without the underpinning courses, I'm not so sure about the value of the FFA C Licence. However, I didn't do the FFA Senior Licence as a precursor. I've done some coaching this year with a football mate's state league club senior team. He has a FFA Senior Licence. I'm surprised how he lacks confidence with the 1-4-3-3. He is a brilliant player manager though. Edited by Decentric: 5/8/2013 11:49:46 PM
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tjwhalan wrote:Has anyone else looked at the Youth C in Canberra in October
I asked the NNSW TD and he said there would be a regional one next year but their Idea of Regional is Newcastle which is basically just as expensive even if it is a little closer.
Edited by tjwhalan: 5/8/2013 10:03:52 AM I will be attending the Senior C in October in Canberra. It's run in conjunction with the Youth module for much of it and they overlap a bit from what I've read and asked/been told. I will be in Sydney by the time it starts so Canberra or Newcastle is fine with me.. Probably cheaper for Newcastle but more of a hassle for me as it will be staggered days instead of a residential week..
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Draupnir wrote:Decentric wrote:Draupnir wrote:Nice! If you get that done in time, you should come and possibly join tjwhalan, Steelinho and I for the Central C license in Canberra this October. Steelinho already has his C Licence. He is currently doing his B Licence. I know, I'm jealous! He said a few pages back that he'd be up for doing the Youth C license which is run in conjunction with the Senior C license. Edited by Draupnir: 29/5/2013 06:18:33 PM There is an expectation in this state, that those of us working with youth, do the Youth part of the C Licence. That is even for those guys who did the C Licence this year, where there was only a Senior component. It is free for us. However, the local dates don't suit. I have a few music events and other social events to attend. I have relatives in the ACT, so I' ll start making contact with Capital Football about the C Licence. It would be intersting to meet up with you, TJ Whalan and Steelinho. I think Rob Sherman is one of the instructors. We had him in Hobart, as a guest instructor. He was good. Edited by Decentric: 11/8/2013 04:40:07 PM
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Am thinking of doing my Senior Football Certs and Licence this upcoming October. https://coaching.footballaustralia.com.au/public/coaching/course.asp?UDF35=219&courseID=58464&courseFull=0Do you need to be an official coach of a team to do it? I have been unofficially helping a guy coach a juniors team (currently under 15s) for 2-3 years now, I take a large amount of my senior teams trainings when our coach can't make it, and have 5 years or so of state league football experience playing. There'd be no issues me signing up to this, yeah?
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pv4 wrote:Am thinking of doing my Senior Football Certs and Licence this upcoming October. https://coaching.footballaustralia.com.au/public/coaching/course.asp?UDF35=219&courseID=58464&courseFull=0Do you need to be an official coach of a team to do it? I have been unofficially helping a guy coach a juniors team (currently under 15s) for 2-3 years now, I take a large amount of my senior teams trainings when our coach can't make it, and have 5 years or so of state league football experience playing. There'd be no issues me signing up to this, yeah? No you would be fine, they want as many people around football as possible taking these courses so they would be glad to have you there.
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I just got confirmation of entry in the Central C license and just skimming over the readings (one document has over 250 pages) I am very impressed with the content. One of the topics I found interesting was the exercises requiring analyzing several photos of team shape during matches, firstly describing what is wrong (in accordance to you footballing philosophy) and then going on to implement desired changes in a training session. I wont have time to read through it all until uni finishes but I cant wait, it looks like it will be an extremely detailed course.
I might upload some of the content here for discussion as I haven't seen any advanced pathway material on here. I'm assuming it wouldn't infringe any copyright law, would it?
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tjwhalan wrote:I just got confirmation of entry in the Central C license and just skimming over the readings (one document has over 250 pages) I am very impressed with the content. One of the topics I found interesting was the exercises requiring analyzing several photos of team shape during matches, firstly describing what is wrong (in accordance to you footballing philosophy) and then going on to implement desired changes in a training session. I wont have time to read through it all until uni finishes but I cant wait, it looks like it will be an extremely detailed course.
I might upload some of the content here for discussion as I haven't seen any advanced pathway material on here. I'm assuming it wouldn't infringe any copyright law, would it?
When is the FFA going to finally release the Revised NC? Its been a while....
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The revised curriculum as I understand it will just go in greater detail on how to implement the curriculum objectives. I heard a few months ago it was later this year so it must be soon.
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tjwhalan wrote:The revised curriculum as I understand it will just go in greater detail on how to implement the curriculum objectives. I heard a few months ago it was later this year so it must be soon. Ok thanks mate, i just realised this after going through this thread earlier i actually wonder why its taken so long anyway lol.
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I'm attending the Senior and Youth C License in Sutherland from Saturday. Anyone here attending?
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theFOOTBALLlover wrote:I'm attending the Senior and Youth C License in Sutherland from Saturday. Anyone here attending? God, FNSW organizes coach education poorly, I would have definitely gone to that one if I knew it was on.
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tjwhalan wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:I'm attending the Senior and Youth C License in Sutherland from Saturday. Anyone here attending? God, FNSW organizes coach education poorly, I would have definitely gone to that one if I knew it was on. There's a lady called Tricia at FNSW - find her email and ask her to put you on the email list for coaching courses. She emails the people on her list information every time something comes up.
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I was going to attend the C Licence and do the Youth content in Canberra. However, we have a big club Gala Day on the 13th, which clashes with the Canberra C Licence.
I've only done the senior C Licence as the youth component wasn't available earlier this year. The new youth Regional C Licence course clashes with social events.:cry:
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Southampton academy documentaryGood documentary on Southamptons academy, also the website its from isa really goodsource for articles and videos.
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Just completed a MiniRoos course. Very interesting and informative.
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TheSelectFew wrote:Just completed a MiniRoos course. Very interesting and informative. Never heard of it. Is that the official name?
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theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Just completed a MiniRoos course. Very interesting and informative. Never heard of it. Is that the official name? Grassroots discovery phase. 3-9 year olds. FFV sanctioned.
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TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Just completed a MiniRoos course. Very interesting and informative. Never heard of it. Is that the official name? Grassroots discovery phase. 3-9 year olds. FFV sanctioned. Awesome. What did they go through and what did you learn?
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Just signed up for another coaching course. they are a good thing everyone should do them but from what i have seen it wont make a good coach from a bad one. JMO
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krones3 wrote:Just signed up for another coaching course. they are a good thing everyone should do them but from what i have seen it wont make a good coach from a bad one. JMO What course? I'm currently doing the B licence at FNSW.
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just a skills acquisition workshop.
Im not too impressed with the trainer nor the fact that the same old coaches with the same old attitudes are still in control of football. Just parrots if you ask me. signed up to get fresh ideas. what i realy want to know about is motivation, competitive attitude and determined aggression. development.
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theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Just completed a MiniRoos course. Very interesting and informative. Never heard of it. Is that the official name? Grassroots discovery phase. 3-9 year olds. FFV sanctioned. Awesome. What did they go through and what did you learn? The way they structure kids education is fantastic. Engagement. The key word. It's amazing.
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krones3 wrote:just a skills acquisition workshop.
Im not too impressed with the trainer nor the fact that the same old coaches with the same old attitudes are still in control of football. Just parrots if you ask me. signed up to get fresh ideas. what i realy want to know about is motivation, competitive attitude and determined aggression. development.
Edited by krones3: 1/5/2016 08:31:55 AM Motivation, competitive attitude and determined aggression is something you can't teach. As a coach, you have to find ways that work for certain types of players. I've been coaching for 4 years and when I first started I expected every player to be highly motivated. Definitely not true but as a coach, you need to find out what makes your players tick.
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TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Just completed a MiniRoos course. Very interesting and informative. Never heard of it. Is that the official name? Grassroots discovery phase. 3-9 year olds. FFV sanctioned. Awesome. What did they go through and what did you learn? The way they structure kids education is fantastic. Engagement. The key word. It's amazing. I've never coached kids that young and to be honest I don't think I'd do it well. Very different set of skills to coaching 13's, 14's, 15's, 16's and 18's (which is what I've coached). Edited by theFOOTBALLlover: 2/5/2016 10:59:10 PM
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theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Just completed a MiniRoos course. Very interesting and informative. Never heard of it. Is that the official name? Grassroots discovery phase. 3-9 year olds. FFV sanctioned. Awesome. What did they go through and what did you learn? The way they structure kids education is fantastic. Engagement. The key word. It's amazing. I've never coached kids that young and to be honest I don't think I'd do it well. Very different set of skills to coaching 13's, 14's, 15's, 16's and 18's (which is what I've coached). Edited by theFOOTBALLlover: 2/5/2016 10:59:10 PM Why is that?
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TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Just completed a MiniRoos course. Very interesting and informative. Never heard of it. Is that the official name? Grassroots discovery phase. 3-9 year olds. FFV sanctioned. Awesome. What did they go through and what did you learn? The way they structure kids education is fantastic. Engagement. The key word. It's amazing. I've never coached kids that young and to be honest I don't think I'd do it well. Very different set of skills to coaching 13's, 14's, 15's, 16's and 18's (which is what I've coached). Edited by theFOOTBALLlover: 2/5/2016 10:59:10 PM Why is that? I enjoy working on the structure of the team - playing as a team. Coaching Miniroos is skills based.
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theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Just completed a MiniRoos course. Very interesting and informative. Never heard of it. Is that the official name? Grassroots discovery phase. 3-9 year olds. FFV sanctioned. Awesome. What did they go through and what did you learn? The way they structure kids education is fantastic. Engagement. The key word. It's amazing. I've never coached kids that young and to be honest I don't think I'd do it well. Very different set of skills to coaching 13's, 14's, 15's, 16's and 18's (which is what I've coached). Edited by theFOOTBALLlover: 2/5/2016 10:59:10 PM Why is that? I enjoy working on the structure of the team - playing as a team. Coaching Miniroos is skills based. Where do you think they start learning the structures of the game.
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TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Just completed a MiniRoos course. Very interesting and informative. Never heard of it. Is that the official name? Grassroots discovery phase. 3-9 year olds. FFV sanctioned. Awesome. What did they go through and what did you learn? The way they structure kids education is fantastic. Engagement. The key word. It's amazing. I've never coached kids that young and to be honest I don't think I'd do it well. Very different set of skills to coaching 13's, 14's, 15's, 16's and 18's (which is what I've coached). Edited by theFOOTBALLlover: 2/5/2016 10:59:10 PM Why is that? I enjoy working on the structure of the team - playing as a team. Coaching Miniroos is skills based. Where do you think they start learning the structures of the game. Ages 9-12 in SAP. Why?
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theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Just completed a MiniRoos course. Very interesting and informative. Never heard of it. Is that the official name? Grassroots discovery phase. 3-9 year olds. FFV sanctioned. Awesome. What did they go through and what did you learn? The way they structure kids education is fantastic. Engagement. The key word. It's amazing. I've never coached kids that young and to be honest I don't think I'd do it well. Very different set of skills to coaching 13's, 14's, 15's, 16's and 18's (which is what I've coached). Edited by theFOOTBALLlover: 2/5/2016 10:59:10 PM Why is that? I enjoy working on the structure of the team - playing as a team. Coaching Miniroos is skills based. Where do you think they start learning the structures of the game. Ages 9-12 in SAP. Why? Theyre learning about the game. You dont put them in 442 structures etc but you give them roles and you alternate to learn about the game.
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theFOOTBALLlover wrote:krones3 wrote:Just signed up for another coaching course. they are a good thing everyone should do them but from what i have seen it wont make a good coach from a bad one. JMO What course? I'm currently doing the B licence at FNSW. Found the Periodisation a pain when I did it. In the A Licence the mini-thesis was arduous.
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Brew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:krones3 wrote:Just signed up for another coaching course. they are a good thing everyone should do them but from what i have seen it wont make a good coach from a bad one. JMO What course? I'm currently doing the B licence at FNSW. Found the Periodisation a pain when I did it. In the A Licence the mini-thesis was arduous. How many words and whats it all about?
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Does anyone know what the situation is in regards to transferring a coaching licence to England?
I have my Level 2 in England (C Licence). I shall be living in Australia for a few years and plan on taking my B licence in Australia, can this be transferred over to Uefa if I move back to England so I could go straight for my Uefa A or will I have to take the B course again back in England because they do not recognise the Australian B licence?
Thanks for any help
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Brew wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:krones3 wrote:Just signed up for another coaching course. they are a good thing everyone should do them but from what i have seen it wont make a good coach from a bad one. JMO What course? I'm currently doing the B licence at FNSW. Found the Periodisation a pain when I did it. In the A Licence the mini-thesis was arduous. Periodisation is fantastic though. The difference it makes in the performance of a team is incredible.
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andybram wrote:Does anyone know what the situation is in regards to transferring a coaching licence to England?
I have my Level 2 in England (C Licence). I shall be living in Australia for a few years and plan on taking my B licence in Australia, can this be transferred over to Uefa if I move back to England so I could go straight for my Uefa A or will I have to take the B course again back in England because they do not recognise the Australian B licence?
Thanks for any help http://www.thefa.com/st-georges-park/discover/coaching/fa-education-faqs/international-coaching-qualifications
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dirkvanadidas wrote:andybram wrote:Does anyone know what the situation is in regards to transferring a coaching licence to England?
I have my Level 2 in England (C Licence). I shall be living in Australia for a few years and plan on taking my B licence in Australia, can this be transferred over to Uefa if I move back to England so I could go straight for my Uefa A or will I have to take the B course again back in England because they do not recognise the Australian B licence?
Thanks for any help http://www.thefa.com/st-georges-park/discover/coaching/fa-education-faqs/international-coaching-qualifications bad new s old chap AFC Courses Downgrade by one level e.g. AFC A Licence = UEFA B Licence Unable to be uploaded to your FAN As per equivalent level You will be required to submit your certificate to FA Education. Once this has been received the home association will be contacted to confirm validity. which is quite amusing having attended CPD events with UEFA 'A' tutors.
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I am pencilled in for the B Licence in Canberra in October but I have worked out that it is going to cost me a minimum of $4,310. Is there a better way I could spend that money if I am not too worried about the actual licence part but more interested in learning as much as I can and if so, what?
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nffc2 wrote:I am pencilled in for the B Licence in Canberra in October but I have worked out that it is going to cost me a minimum of $4,310. Is there a better way I could spend that money if I am not too worried about the actual licence part but more interested in learning as much as I can and if so, what? I'm currently doing my regional B licence in Sydney and it was only about $2400. Going to Canberra is a lot of money. Is there a regional B licence course you could do?
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The closest capital to me is Brisbane and the B licence starts in late January each year and I work in a College so the timing is rotten. All staff are back the same week as the first 6 days of the course but you are absolutely correct that it is a much cheaper option.
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