Damn straight it will :) Keeping my powder well and truly dry on this though.... Lets see what happens.... if anything?

touch wood we get the news in that case after the coming GF.

GF is next Saturday @ 7:45pm. 
A proper announcement about the NSD would be fantastic next week. It gives us A-League fans something else to talk about during the off season. With the current NPL season well underway, It should give the NPL a bit of a boost and could get some dormant NSL era supporters interested again. Especially at those bigger clubs that are most likely going to be part of the NSD. 

The "theory" I heard from a well meaning fan at Olympic Village yesterday is that an announcement is going to be made the Monday AFTER the Aleague grand final whenever that is.... next week, the week after?

NSD in a number of articles from JJ and others have quoted for '23. Have no care what the APL does.
Where's that podcast you mention ? post it up.
https://www.espn.com.au/football/australian-a-league-men/story/4521449/fa-ceo-james-johnson-outlines-the-roadmap-to-promotion-and-relegation-in-australia

We have lived without a Tasmanian team since the A League started. Its a misnomer to think that we MUST HAVE a WA or QLD team in it. Its nice to support the ROAR, but if they were relegated I would still watch A League games on TV.

If in 20 years, the only teams in the the top flight are only melbourne and sydney based teams so be it. Honestly. My state or city has to work harder then with a different approach to climb up. 

I think you expand the A-League to 16 teams over the next 2-4 years while the NSD beds down and also expands from 12 to 16 teams. Then you introduce P/R. Expansion slots should be reserved for regional areas though.

I would particularly prioritise Canberra and Tasmania because they are presently lacking even a semi-pro club and it would basically be impossible for a team to be promoted from the ACT or TAS NPLs to a national-level league.

P&R can work here but as always, it needs to be managed well.

In terms of p&r the National Second-division League (NSL) and NPLs is far more important than ALM and NSL p&r because I think bar a few clubs being on a state level is big enough for them and would nope the fuck out of being included on a national stage like a QLD Lions or Gold Coast Knights so how do you make that situation work

We know the clubs that meet the AFC requirements for participation in the ACL.  They are assessed and the results published every year.  

Until a month or so ago the only thing the ALM clubs had to satisfy locally were spelt out in their participation agreements which to my knowledge haven't been made public.  Hopefully the requirements of the new ALM club licensing regulations will be made public.

The ALM clubs were struggling before covid and no doubt they are in a worse situation now but I am not too worried about that.  That is the APL and the club owners business.  What I don't want to see is clubs that have been around for a long time go to the wall trying to bridge across to the ALM when they aren't really ready.

Are you talking about the ALM, a competition where we don't know if the clubs currently competing in it comply with ANY club registration regulations, let alone FIFA proscribed ones? Where,  y all accounts, a minority of club owners are currently propping up, financially, the majority of clubs?

I'm talking about promotion to the ALM.  The NSD should be started as soon as possible.  For a club to be promoted they will have to meet all the criteria in the A-League Mens Club Registration Regulations that were recently released by FA.  If those regulations follow the FIFA Club Registration Regulations then a club may get provisional registration if they miss a criteria but the provisional registration states a date that the club has to satisfy that criteria or loose its license.  I haven't seen the FA regulations so I don't know if provisional registration is allowed.

I am concerned for the ongoing existence of promoted clubs that don't have the resources to operate a competitive club in the ALM.  What sort of support will they get if they keep losing possibly by large margins?  Will they send themselves broke trying?  Will they have the resources to operate their development teams down to U12?  Would a club failure make other clubs wary of chasing promotion?  I'd much rather wait for the NSD to settle in and build its revenue streams and improve its player development programs before moving to promoting clubs into the ALM.

The main task for our game is to improve the standard of football in each tier and in my view the standard in each tier is set by the top teams and how they lift the game by their excellence in all facets of the game.  In a P/R system the fight to stay up is important for the clubs involved and the battles can be compelling to watch and it will be good when we get those battles in the ALM but by O'Neils design the gap between the ALM and the next level of football is too great for it to bridged quickly so we might just have to wait until the NSD grows stronger.

Is the All Stars team one of the new expansion clubs?

Galatas said on a recent pod that the FA will select the teams for the NSD next season and it will come in the following season.
APL will not usher in two teams during this offseason. No way, not even one. Where are the official expressions of interest and the candidates to start with?

With the ALM moving to a 14 team competition next season and the NSD commencing with 10 teams, alignment of the pyramid can commence. 
A couple of seasons running in parallel will clarify the way forward for promotion/ relegation.

Football fans can look forward to very exciting times for our game.

Surely by now we have to at least have a crack? If we wait for every single duck to be in a row it will be decades if ever.

Better to set minimum requirements for promotion and let the cards fall where they may. If a club goes arse up during the season then rejig the draw and keep moving forward.

We have to do something. Look at the drama in the EPL and elsewhere at seasons end. We are  missing out on so many good stories.

The time for talking about is over. Set some minimum criteria for the NSD and lets get going.

I didn't say they would need $10m I said they would need to have closer to the $10m.  A club that's got to $5m, with the addition of the ALM distribution of $1.5m would have a total of $6.5m to work with.  I personally think that is short of the minimum needed.  I'd hate to see a club regularly struggle on the pitch and be embarrassed and/or struggle to survive financially.  With most of the talent development advantages of having an NSD met simply by it existing I don't see the need to rush with P/R.  I suppose the new club licensing regulations for the ALM will spell out the minimum non football criteria a club has to meet so the clubs seeking promotion should be able to get their budgets right.  As I said in my previous post promotion to the ALM might be a suck it and see issue initially to get a better understanding of the revenue required to be competitive.

Ok forget Somalia pick any of the other 180+ countries that have pro / rel.

Travel is a non-issue if the ALMs calve off, say $1.5 million per year from the TV deal and use that a centralised grant for travel. Any shortfall could be made up by the clubs.

Travel is a complete non-issue. Yes we are big, but our interstate transport infrastructure is very good and very affordable. In relation to the A-League and the future NSD, the league pays for the travel expenses not the individual clubs. If a NSD club one day gets promoted to the A-League, their travel expenses will be covered by the APL.

For the record;
I want to see P & R here. I think it can work. I want it to work.
It is something that no other sport in Australia (AFL/ NRL / Basketball / cricket / RU) has at the top level and would make us truly unique in the Australian sporting landscape.

BUT: We are unique. I know this is stated derisively on this forum at times, but that doesn't stop being it a fact. We are the 6th biggest country in the world by size but waaaayyy down the list in terms of population, or the amount of $$$ available to football. In most countries around the world, a team just needs to invest in a bus and they can get anywhere in a few hours (or a day at most). For an Australian state league team to promote to national level, it involves a huge increase in costs & overheads.
So it needs to be implemented carefully to ensure that teams, and the A-League and the new NSD all survive and eventually thrive under the system.

But to say it again:
I want to see P & R here. I think it can work. I want it to work.
It is something that no other sport in Australia (AFL/ NRL / Basketball / cricket / RU) has at the top level and would make us truly unique in the Australian sporting landscape.

BTW:
Muz, the Somali example isn't great. 9 of the 10 teams are from one city (Mogadishu, obviously), and the other is from a town 100 kms away. Even a 3rd-world country can manage that. To compare to Australia, imagine that Somalia stretched all the way west to the Gulf of Guinea, which is roughly the east-west width of Australia.
Would they have promotion and relegation in that case?

But to say it again:
I want to see P & R here. I think it can work. I want it to work.
It is something that no other sport in Australia (AFL/ NRL / Basketball / cricket / RU) has at the top level and would make us truly unique in the Australian sporting landscape.

Well said mate.

yep and Gyfox......

1. growing base levels/jnr/youth to Snrs should be the same right across the country, 1 system.
TD's/scouts/Development again same as above 1 system.
2. Elite levels is the big issue - ALM will not work with NSD - they have paid a motza they don't want to be part of the overall football eco system.
The only bright note it brought was "professionalism" which is great.
Whatever happens to them good on them, add a couple more Franchise's but I don't get how putting a club in a particular area gains the many invested fans it needs to grow.
WU/Bulls is perfect examples and the previous gone Franchise's.
Franchising just won't deliver the needs, the copious amounts of invested footballing families are not supporting AL/M for the past 5yrs and more, whats gonna change.
The NSD has far more chance of growing because its exisiting Clubs with a culture and following.
$3M is a good starting base the FA etc/Clubs have done the sums its a good base but I believe $5M is getable and should be the target sooner than later, $10M you have got to be kidding/dreaming at these early stages.
Yes alot above ticks the box's for growth/development and improve competition/quality and P/R is just the next piece of the puzzle, the carrot that triggers a Club admin we're vying for a Top4 spot and it also inspires and kicks those Clubs in relegation scenarios to work bloody hard those last games in avoiding the drop.
AL/M can do its own thing, FA has the plans for the level under NSD, perfecto, this will in the end be the true model introducing P/R.




 

Mate,I was only kidding about you pulling cones, relax its just a joke.... As for you saying English, Irish, Welsh, Scottish, Americans, Canadians are all the same....... seriously? 

Give it time and it will. 
Plus, I don't people would like the idea of a Kiwi club winning the Australia Cup though (there's a Maori inscription on their logo btw).

No not angry, ticked off earlier but I wasn't trying to rubbish anyone's view, you tend to do that man.

Is it a little hypocritical wanting traditional promotion/relegation and then also asking for modern "expansion" sides as opposed to promoted NPL clubs??

Do these expansion sides get a free ride into the NSD or do they start at the bottom of the pyramid in their state comps??

Gyfox, well said and I agree with pretty much all 3 points. Pro/Rel in and of itself is not the cure all and I agree that a degree of for-site needs to go into the predicted revenue capacity of eligible clubs. I think 10 million is reaching for the moon rather than being practical. The longer it takes to implement, the bigger the disparity hence mine, and others, urgency around it... In 10 years time any club outside the Aleague "tent" simply wont have the ability to join a national second tier let alone the fabled pro rel with Aleague.....  Aspiration is being choked out of these clubs at a steady pace... enough already.

Hahahah Any chance of a job Stensie? Can you help me contribute my taxes to society? Hahahahahahah I can make you a bowl of soup, sounds like you might be a little hangry?

Did you ever consider that there are thousands of clubs around Aus that would get investment and increased interest, not to mention additional resources for that dream that is tangible of joining the big league. 

How would major sponsors leave? The most popular sport in the country dishing up stories and engaging with the whole community at an unprecedented level. 

The sponsors would be lining up. Let's face it - they've already left!

I would genuinely be crying with happiness if my local club ever had the chance to be on a big stage. 

Let's face it - I follow the a-league and I do like it, but it is mostly boring as batshit. I have not watched one whole entire match all season that didnt have MV. I don't even look at the scores hardly of other's matches.