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Wmg should poach Ronaldo, he is a 30 something now..
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Has the shovel ready stadium started yet?

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I think wmg will bring in Mario balloteli
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Heart_fan - 3 Jan 2019 12:42 AM
https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/we-ll-re-ignite-the-a-league-s-spark-claim-western-melbourne Same, same really for the most part, but the info about playing up to 4 games in ‘suburban centres’ was interesting. Does that refer to locations in the western suburbs, or a strange interpretation of saying a regional city like Ballarat? As has previously been discussed, maybe it will look at the Whitten Oval in Footscray, Knights Stadium in Sunshine or at a stretch trying to play a match at Avalon Airport Stadium in Werribee. Surely it doesn’t intend to play at AAMI Park. Would all depend on what the FFA and Foxtel allow too, considering the reasoning given as part of the winning bid press conference about top class stadiums.

Curious, will be interesting to see where that goes.
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https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/we-ll-re-ignite-the-a-league-s-spark-claim-western-melbourne

Same, same really for the most part, but the info about playing up to 4 games in ‘suburban centres’ was interesting.

Does that refer to locations in the western suburbs, or a strange interpretation of saying a regional city like Ballarat?

As has previously been discussed, maybe it will look at the Whitten Oval in Footscray, Knights Stadium in Sunshine or at a stretch trying to play a match at Avalon Airport Stadium in Werribee. Surely it doesn’t intend to play at AAMI Park.

Would all depend on what the FFA and Foxtel allow too, considering the reasoning given as part of the winning bid press conference about top class stadiums.




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Gyfox - 18 Dec 2018 2:57 PM
What we have in Australia is a quite low take up of the game.  In the big countries with a well developed football culture 8-10% of the population are registered players.  In Australia it averages 2.2%.  In NSW and the ACT it's 4.0% while in the rest of the country it averages 1.5% with only Tasmania above 2.0%.

If the quality of our elite players is going to match the well developed countries then we need to quadruple the number of registered players we have and develop our player pathways to cope with the number of talented players that will bring.  Thats a task that will take decades to achieve (if ever).

The question that needs to be discussed is how do we grow the whole football ecosystem for us to become a regional and world football power?  I'd suggest that the A-League has a big role as the shop front of the game and that we need to consider moving part of that shop front out of the centres of the major cities to the suburbs where appropriate and we need to include major regional cities as well.  We also need to understand that each market is different so the strategies for growth need to be targeted for each market.  Of course the A-League is only a part of the ecosystem and the strategies for the rest of the game need to be specific for the needs of each market as well.

Australia's football stats are similar to Sweden in many ways.
From registered players to crowd figures and so on.
We are more inline to a football nation with a pop of 8-9 million such as Sweden
The other 16 million Australians are either hostile or indifferent so shouldn't be a part of the conversation .Unfortunately the FFA has spent too much time trying to court the other 16 mill and neglected the population already engaged in football to some degree.
When people say Syd FC's crowds are terrible for a city of 5 mill what does that mean.How many follow sport?How many follow football? how many don't follow WSW?
All of a sudden it doesn't look so bad and is similar to Malmo FC
Strategies need to be based around this



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'West Melbourne', or 'Western Port Phillip and Corio', might  geographically capture the target market. Otherwise Western Districts? 
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What we have in Australia is a quite low take up of the game.  In the big countries with a well developed football culture 8-10% of the population are registered players.  In Australia it averages 2.2%.  In NSW and the ACT it's 4.0% while in the rest of the country it averages 1.5% with only Tasmania above 2.0%.

If the quality of our elite players is going to match the well developed countries then we need to quadruple the number of registered players we have and develop our player pathways to cope with the number of talented players that will bring.  Thats a task that will take decades to achieve (if ever).

The question that needs to be discussed is how do we grow the whole football ecosystem for us to become a regional and world football power?  I'd suggest that the A-League has a big role as the shop front of the game and that we need to consider moving part of that shop front out of the centres of the major cities to the suburbs where appropriate and we need to include major regional cities as well.  We also need to understand that each market is different so the strategies for growth need to be targeted for each market.  Of course the A-League is only a part of the ecosystem and the strategies for the rest of the game need to be specific for the needs of each market as well.
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Melbcityguy - 18 Dec 2018 1:45 PM
could west melbourne possibly have a marquee player lined up?

Maybe they promised ffa they could get a big fish and that's one of the reasons they got chosen 

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could west melbourne possibly have a marquee player lined up?

Maybe they promised ffa they could get a big fish and that's one of the reasons they got chosen 
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southmelb - 17 Dec 2018 9:23 PM

speaking from a Melbourne perspective, all of the suburban AFL grounds closed in the 80s and 90s and centralised into 2 stadiums. In that time, metro Melbourne has expanded considerably. Werribee wasn't even considered part of metro melbourne 25-30 years ago. It was a country town.

The HAL now has a great chance to reverse this trend by decentralising and bringing professional sports backs to the burbs, or "growth corridors" as they now call it. there is a unique opportunity for football here and I am wrapped that the FFA are looking to take advantage of it. its the best way to bring new fans to our game as the demographic are generally young familes and usually have a higher percentage of immigrants who love football.

MSWS fits this bill as well. I read somewhere that the Wests Tigers are relocating to the new stadium in Parramatta. are there any other tenants at campbelltown stadium now apart form MSWS? or will MSWS now have the stadium to themselves? 

Growth corridor is stupid though. It doesn't reward sporting merit, rather commercial merit.


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southmelb - 17 Dec 2018 9:23 PM
Will the game ever reach a point where we never have to hear the words “growth corridor” spoken again?

speaking from a Melbourne perspective, all of the suburban AFL grounds closed in the 80s and 90s and centralised into 2 stadiums. In that time, metro Melbourne has expanded considerably. Werribee wasn't even considered part of metro melbourne 25-30 years ago. It was a country town.

The HAL now has a great chance to reverse this trend by decentralising and bringing professional sports backs to the burbs, or "growth corridors" as they now call it. there is a unique opportunity for football here and I am wrapped that the FFA are looking to take advantage of it. its the best way to bring new fans to our game as the demographic are generally young familes and usually have a higher percentage of immigrants who love football.

MSWS fits this bill as well. I read somewhere that the Wests Tigers are relocating to the new stadium in Parramatta. are there any other tenants at campbelltown stadium now apart form MSWS? or will MSWS now have the stadium to themselves? 
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it will be about as interesting as going out to any other housing estate
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melbourne_terrace - 18 Dec 2018 12:44 PM
You'd hope that part of this development includes a couple of bars in the area because it looks pretty bleak getting a drink anywhere else in the area and having a couple of good bars is important to a good match day culture. Have a feeling though that even if they do, it'll end up being like those soul sucking venues around Homebush.

There'll be a whole commercial development around it including office buildings, so I'm sure there'll be facilities like that, hopefully they don't feel too soulless as you mention.
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You'd hope that part of this development includes a couple of bars in the area because it looks pretty bleak getting a drink anywhere else in the area and having a couple of good bars is important to a good match day culture. Have a feeling though that even if they do, it'll end up being like those soul sucking venues around Homebush.

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southmelb - 17 Dec 2018 9:23 PM
Will the game ever reach a point where we never have to hear the words “growth corridor” spoken again?

using an expression like "growth corridor" allows them to avoid what they really want to say:  we don't want no effniks!!

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I can't believe that you of all people are basing an argument on the idea that the FFA wouldn't contradict themselves.

True,

but has this what it has come to ?

We are now assuming that the FFA CEO is lying about everything and we need to debate the opposite

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Will the game ever reach a point where we never have to hear the words “growth corridor” spoken again?
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https://www.a-league.com.au/news/gallop-reveals-why-winning-expansion-bids-were-successful

FFA CEO David Gallop said the high-quality facilities and growth corridors that bids from both Western Melbourne Group and Macarthur South West Sydney represented were the key factors in them winning licences into the Hyundai A-League.

FFA announced on Thursday that Western Melbourne Group would enter the Hyundai A-League in the 2019/20 season, with Macarthur South West Sydney to follow the season after.

Western Melbourne Group’s promise to build a privately funded 15,000-seat stadium - joined by a training and administration complex - was a key plank of their bid.

And Gallop said the prospect excited him on what he described as a “great news day for Australian football and the A-League”.

“This is going to set the A-League up for long-term sustainability in these locations but importantly, as well, the decisions have taken us to a point where we can ensure that the new clubs are in high-quality facilities from day one,” Gallop said.

“Obviously with West Melbourne, there’s an opportunity to do something quite unique and something that we’ve seen successful in football globally, which is to have a purpose-built football stadium.

“West Melbourne is a growth corridor and the prospect of having our own stadium built out there is exciting indeed.”

Western Melbourne Group will play out of Geelong’s Kardinia Park for their first two Hyundai A-League seasons as their purpose-built stadium in Tarneit - 25km west of Melbourne and 50km north-east of Geelong - is built.

Gallop said that during that period the team would still “be in a facility that will present the game well and have a playing surface that is comfortable for our players.”


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Buggalugs 2.0 - 17 Dec 2018 4:57 PM
azzaMVFC - 17 Dec 2018 4:50 PM

Who says they do ?

FFA say they won't.  I've seen nothing to the contrary

I can't believe that you of all people are basing an argument on the idea that the FFA wouldn't contradict themselves.
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azzaMVFC - 17 Dec 2018 4:50 PM
Amazes me that a new club will need to resort to playing in Ballarat in front of 1500 people. Should have just been given a licence, guarantee to come into the comp in 3 years when the stadium is ready. Canberra should be the ones playing next season, or even South Melb. 

Yep it's really arse about. No sensible person is doubting the value that stadium ownership brings to the bid, but firing the gun before that bullet is loaded makes the whole thing go off half-cocked. Much better to show some imagination, courage and leadership and plan at least a few years ahead and award them a licence as a 13/14th or 15/16th club once they're ready rather than saying "right, in you go" with no home a few months from kickoff. Compared to Japan's 100 year plan that's nothing.
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azzaMVFC - 17 Dec 2018 4:50 PM
Amazes me that a new club will need to resort to playing in Ballarat in front of 1500 people. 

Who says they do ?

FFA say they won't.  I've seen nothing to the contrary

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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azzaMVFC - 17 Dec 2018 4:50 PM

Yeah, the 3-year limbo is baffling when other options would be ready to go. I'd be very interested to hear what the FFA's justification is. 

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azzaMVFC - 17 Dec 2018 4:50 PM
Amazes me that a new club will need to resort to playing in Ballarat in front of 1500 people. Should have just been given a licence, guarantee to come into the comp in 3 years when the stadium is ready. Canberra should be the ones playing next season, or even South Melb. 

Yeah, the 3-year limbo is baffling when other options would be ready to go. I'd be very interested to hear what the FFA's justification is. 
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Amazes me that a new club will need to resort to playing in Ballarat in front of 1500 people. Should have just been given a licence, guarantee to come into the comp in 3 years when the stadium is ready. Canberra should be the ones playing next season, or even South Melb. 
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Burztur - 17 Dec 2018 1:43 PM
Feed_The_Brox - 17 Dec 2018 1:17 PM

https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/stadiums.php?id=417

Throw in some temp stands and it seems very workable.

Pity they never finished the whole design:


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Feed_The_Brox - 17 Dec 2018 1:17 PM
paladisious - 17 Dec 2018 11:14 AM

its my understanding that this is definitely an option, especially in January when Kardinia Park will probably be unavailable due to the BBL. Morsehead Park is quite a nice little upgraded Football facility. 

https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/stadiums.php?id=417

Throw in some temp stands and it seems very workable.
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paladisious - 17 Dec 2018 11:14 AM
This might not be popular, but I wonder if Western Melbourne will take a game or two to Morsehead Park in Ballarat during their time in Geelong? Some preseason or FFA Cup matches for sure.

its my understanding that this is definitely an option, especially in January when Kardinia Park will probably be unavailable due to the BBL. Morsehead Park is quite a nice little upgraded Football facility. 
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