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+xAmazes me that a new club will need to resort to playing in Ballarat in front of 1500 people. Should have just been given a licence, guarantee to come into the comp in 3 years when the stadium is ready. Canberra should be the ones playing next season, or even South Melb. Yeah, the 3-year limbo is baffling when other options would be ready to go. I'd be very interested to hear what the FFA's justification is.
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Amazes me that a new club will need to resort to playing in Ballarat in front of 1500 people. Should have just been given a licence, guarantee to come into the comp in 3 years when the stadium is ready. Canberra should be the ones playing next season, or even South Melb.
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+x+x+xThis might not be popular, but I wonder if Western Melbourne will take a game or two to Morsehead Park in Ballarat during their time in Geelong? Some preseason or FFA Cup matches for sure. its my understanding that this is definitely an option, especially in January when Kardinia Park will probably be unavailable due to the BBL. Morsehead Park is quite a nice little upgraded Football facility. https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/stadiums.php?id=417Throw in some temp stands and it seems very workable. Pity they never finished the whole design:
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+x+xThis might not be popular, but I wonder if Western Melbourne will take a game or two to Morsehead Park in Ballarat during their time in Geelong? Some preseason or FFA Cup matches for sure. its my understanding that this is definitely an option, especially in January when Kardinia Park will probably be unavailable due to the BBL. Morsehead Park is quite a nice little upgraded Football facility. https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/stadiums.php?id=417Throw in some temp stands and it seems very workable.
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+xThis might not be popular, but I wonder if Western Melbourne will take a game or two to Morsehead Park in Ballarat during their time in Geelong? Some preseason or FFA Cup matches for sure. its my understanding that this is definitely an option, especially in January when Kardinia Park will probably be unavailable due to the BBL. Morsehead Park is quite a nice little upgraded Football facility.
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+xFirstly comes down to how much WMG can afford to lose year after on the P&L. My guess after stumping up $20Mill start up costs of $5Mill and annual losses of the HAL average $2.5Million pa they need minimum $32.5Million to see it through to their new stadium. Then it will be all about how many theatre goers they can get there. I can see a lot of fun times ahead. will give a whole new meaning to deep pockets
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+xFirstly comes down to how much WMG can afford to lose year after on the P&L. My guess after stumping up $20Mill start up costs of $5Mill and annual losses of the HAL average $2.5Million pa they need minimum $32.5Million to see it through to their new stadium. Then it will be all about how many theatre goers they can get there. I can see a lot of fun times ahead.
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Firstly comes down to how much WMG can afford to lose year after on the P&L. My guess after stumping up $20Mill start up costs of $5Mill and annual losses of the HAL average $2.5Million pa they need minimum $32.5Million to see it through to their new stadium. Then it will be all about how many theatre goers they can get there.
I can see a lot of fun times ahead.
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Playing a couple of matches at Ballarat for the first couple of seasons isn’t too bad of a move, given it’s apparently a catchment zone they want to appeal to (how successful that will be is another question).
Could also depend how good the deal is to use Kardinia Park will be. Lots of hard work ahead.
They seem to be saying all the right things, but at times Steve Horvat has sounded a bit too scripted. Nearly every interview seems to use the same lines, but I guess there’s very little they can confirm yet.
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+xThis might not be popular, but I wonder if Western Melbourne will take a game or two to Morsehead Park in Ballarat during their time in Geelong? Some preseason or FFA Cup matches for sure. FFA cup is unlikely (at least at the moment) as Ballarat City FC aren't very good (finished 2nd last in the NPL2). A friendly match or two wouldn't be out of the question though. If they played any HAL rounds in Ballarat they would certainly be played at Eureka Stadium.
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+xThis might not be popular, but I wonder if Western Melbourne will take a game or two to Morsehead Park in Ballarat during their time in Geelong? Some preseason or FFA Cup matches for sure. It makes more sense than Geelong
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This might not be popular, but I wonder if Western Melbourne will take a game or two to Morsehead Park in Ballarat during their time in Geelong? Some preseason or FFA Cup matches for sure.
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+x+xI'm trying to decipher your post So the AFL were going to get their hands on this gold mine called Tarneit, and at the same time, they lobbied hard so that Dandenong didn't get up, but in doing so, they lost out on the gold mine called Tarneit?? i am saying that because the government in Victoria (and in most other states as well as federally) are hostile towards football, the only way to get something done your way, and without the interference of others (like the AFL or the government) is to build it without any government funding. And there is little doubt in my mind that the AFL would have had some influence had the government decided to fund Dandenong stadium, or alternately, they did have some influence in the government choosing not fund it. call me a cynic or conspiracy theorist if you wish. Just fucking turn coat already. Change your name too.
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+xI'm trying to decipher your post So the AFL were going to get their hands on this gold mine called Tarneit, and at the same time, they lobbied hard so that Dandenong didn't get up, but in doing so, they lost out on the gold mine called Tarneit?? i am saying that because the government in Victoria (and in most other states as well as federally) are hostile towards football, the only way to get something done your way, and without the interference of others (like the AFL or the government) is to build it without any government funding. And there is little doubt in my mind that the AFL would have had some influence had the government decided to fund Dandenong stadium, or alternately, they did have some influence in the government choosing not fund it. call me a cynic or conspiracy theorist if you wish.
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+x+x+xHustled? I'm betting the afl will have a little word to Wyndham city council and voila itll be another footy oval. I live in Wyndham and the afl have massive pull with our council . Afl heavy weights come down to werribee and meet up with Joanne Ryan . But in saying that she is very supportive of the wmg not while Kate Roffey works for the Wyndham council. But you don't get it, don't you? This was done so the AFL can't get their dirty fingers all over the project. Which is what almost certainly would have happened had the funding for the Dandenong Stadium got the go ahead. in fact, it is quite plausible to suggest that the AFL may have used their influence with the government to pressure them into not providing the funding for Dandenong Stadium. I'm trying to decipher your post So the AFL were going to get their hands on this gold mine called Tarneit, and at the same time, they lobbied hard so that Dandenong didn't get up, but in doing so, they lost out on the gold mine called Tarneit?? Think you find the AFL found a gold mine in a little country called China, invented professional sport there. Some of you guys need to move out of Melbourne to see how small the AFL really is.
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+x+xHustled? I'm betting the afl will have a little word to Wyndham city council and voila itll be another footy oval. I live in Wyndham and the afl have massive pull with our council . Afl heavy weights come down to werribee and meet up with Joanne Ryan . But in saying that she is very supportive of the wmg not while Kate Roffey works for the Wyndham council. But you don't get it, don't you? This was done so the AFL can't get their dirty fingers all over the project. Which is what almost certainly would have happened had the funding for the Dandenong Stadium got the go ahead. in fact, it is quite plausible to suggest that the AFL may have used their influence with the government to pressure them into not providing the funding for Dandenong Stadium. I'm trying to decipher your post So the AFL were going to get their hands on this gold mine called Tarneit, and at the same time, they lobbied hard so that Dandenong didn't get up, but in doing so, they lost out on the gold mine called Tarneit??
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+xHustled? I'm betting the afl will have a little word to Wyndham city council and voila itll be another footy oval. I live in Wyndham and the afl have massive pull with our council . Afl heavy weights come down to werribee and meet up with Joanne Ryan . But in saying that she is very supportive of the wmg not while Kate Roffey works for the Wyndham council. But you don't get it, don't you? This was done so the AFL can't get their dirty fingers all over the project. Which is what almost certainly would have happened had the funding for the Dandenong Stadium got the go ahead. in fact, it is quite plausible to suggest that the AFL may have used their influence with the government to pressure them into not providing the funding for Dandenong Stadium.
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+x+x+xI see the whinging about all the infrastructure taking 5 - 10 years ( no one really knows at this point) however so what. Australia’s first football owned and purpose built stadium is a milestone. It’s the future with long term planning for once and should be commended. I wish West Melbourne well. Check the blueprint Foundations will probably be just about right for a Westfield before, during or after the stadium? (or in place of it?) Probably after 1st season at Kardashian
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+x+x+xAlso out good old friend girtxc is claiming this . Saying he had a big part in this Happy for him, but oh dear, that's classic girt. Must have been the sticker campaign Ah ! The stickers I had 200 "WE ARE FOOTBALL" when GC was taken out the back and knocked on the head. Straight to the bin.
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bettega
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+x+xI see the whinging about all the infrastructure taking 5 - 10 years ( no one really knows at this point) however so what. Australia’s first football owned and purpose built stadium is a milestone. It’s the future with long term planning for once and should be commended. I wish West Melbourne well. Check the blueprint Foundations will probably be just about right for a Westfield before, during or after the stadium? (or in place of it?)
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+xI see the whinging about all the infrastructure taking 5 - 10 years ( no one really knows at this point) however so what. Australia’s first football owned and purpose built stadium is a milestone. It’s the future with long term planning for once and should be commended. I wish West Melbourne well. Check the blueprint Foundations will probably be just about right for a Westfield
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I grew up in the outer south east and think a western Melbourne team is great in theory.
I have lived out west for many years and one thing is Geelong will not be associated with a Melbourne linked team. The AFL team and their supporters hate that they have to play games in Melbourne and are mostly anti Melbourne. I don't think many will jump at a half assed club that's real home will be Western Melbourne.
As for the stadium. It's great and long term thinking. Going to be a rough few years before they get in there though. Even once it's built will probably take 10 or so years to make it hub for the area. But once it's done should be a winner. Hopefully the owners stick around until then.
The Three Rivers name being thrown around is cool and may help to engage Geelong ( but I don't think will get many from there). They probably can't compete with victory as a "superclub" but might be able to go down the community route. But I don't know.
Hopefully the owners see it through. In 10 years it might be something great.
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+x+xAlso out good old friend girtxc is claiming this . Saying he had a big part in this Happy for him, but oh dear, that's classic girt. Must have been the sticker campaign
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Spoke with a Heart fan earlier today who was actually excited about West Melbourne and changing teams. He's as casual a fan as there is and I am not even sure he has been to a game. Also used to go to Victory games back in the day too. I guess a lot of these types who just haven't managed to get into the two existing Melbourne sides will make up a fair proportion of their support.
Early success though is key, as noted. I guess for me my first and second games were the Adelaide semi final and 6 nil GF, so I was hooked from then on.
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Agree with your points Hearts Fan. This would have been good if everything was ready in place and all you had to do is turn up to a brand new stadium, 5 minutes walk from the train station, grab a beer before the game etc and look forward to watching newly signed marquee Ibrahimovic (or someone of similar ilk). So easy to attract a crowd, create hype etc. Instead they're going to start off by asking potential fans to rock up to Geelongs AFL ground (cap 35k) and watch Scott Brown put in those bone crunching tackles. WSW is a success because they flew out of the gates, Gold Coast, Nth Q'land and Heart/City are flops because they screwed things up from the very start for fans. Very hard to win them over if you don't do it right from the start. The FFA should be concerning itself with football matters not long term property developments.
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They will bring in some big name players to act as ambassadors for the property development :)
Overall, the bid documents would have to have shown who these mysterious investors are, but let’s hope they do announce who they are soon.
The overall stadium precinct plan is apparently being released soon, which will include all infrastructure development requirements and other land uses that will be undertaken. I foresee some higher density apartments, entertainment, hotel, retail and commercial. A train station is set to be built at the site, which will likely see electrification of the line occur up to Wyndham Vale, it could could well be a major hub of the area when the land on the other side of the railway is developed too.
The area does need more to improve its overall community and services offering, which this could well be a catylist for, but the fact the football team won’t be playing there for a couple of years puts them on the back foot from day 1. They will have to rely on the Geelong public to turn up, as the numbers heading down from Wyndham to go to games likely won’t be that high.
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+xThis whole 'vision' crap being sold by the WMG is just a mirage. Watch them bail out once they've made their money on the cheap land they've hustled from the council and turned it into cramped, crappy townhouses that most of that area consists of. It is not soccer heartland out there. It's a suburban wasteland. Sunshine, St.Albans, Footscray, Sydenham, Deer Park is the true soccer heartland out west. Easier and more convenient to get to town than it is to Tarneit from those suburbs. I know, I grew up there. They're going to need tens of millions to keep their football investment a going concern before the first ball is kicked at their supposed new world class stadium. This whole project will probably take 10 years to complete. It's not just a matter of let's just build some roads, train station so people can get there. It's not that simple. Kardinia Park will look completely shit with 6-700 people there. It'll be a disaster and completely soulless. You need to hit the ground running and make a good impression from the absolute beginning with these type of franchisers. People aren't stupid, they have plenty of leisure choices to choose from in Melbourne. If it's a hassle and inconvenient then no one will bother. $20 million is a small price to pay however for the property swindle these guys have pulled off. Of course they're celebrating, no else is though. Just a stupid decision that has very little football merit but plenty of 'real estate' merit. they will also need to make some serious big name signings.
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Kewell would have to be on the radar, given he has some experience overseas now (hit and miss success though), but a profile that will bring attention.
Aloisi at Heart got the role because of the latter, but Kewell at least has more experience at this point that he did when he took the role.
Living down the Surf Coast for a couple of years wouldn’t be bad either, but getting a coach and players to want to live in the Wyndham area when they move won’t be as easy :)
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Will they be a club that wants to win at all costs like Victory or look to promote the best young talent like City? Or be a bit of both? Finding that identity will be the key.
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