I think it is time to ban the Roman Catholic Church. 
It is a corrupt, money making business which fronts itself as a religion, but just exploits those who are conned into having faith in its fake religion. 
It is a haven for child molesters and will continue to attract them with its rule that priests must be celibate. 

So we live in North Korea now?

What gives you the right to want to ban any group and where can we draw the line once this dangerous precedence against freedom and democracy is set?

Good luck with that one! Might as well do an about face, walk up to a wall, and start headbutting it. Takes some photos and post them here for our amusement please.

Of course it is not going to happen but lots of things that should happen are never going to happen.

Why should a organisation which makes money by fraud be allowed to exist?
Why should a organisation which employees paedophiles and allows them molest children be allowed to exist?

Lot's of things should happen hey!

No problem Adolf!

By Adolf do you mean the Pope supported Adolf Hitler?

No!

I mean you and Adolf are the same. You are advocating after all the for the banning of a religious institution that is adhered to by about 1 billion followers globally. What makes you think it is ok for you to insinuate such stupidity against the rights of so many people?

Persecution of Jews, now persecution of Roman Catholics.

The Pope was a friend of the NAZI's and Adolf Hitler, he supported the persecution of the Jews and you have the cheek to say I am like Hitler. You really have lost the plot and have no clue about anything.

Was he?

And what about all the Catholic Resistance Fighters in France and elsewhere.

And what about Saint Mary of Paris who was a Catholic Nun, and who converted to Orthodoxy and lied to the Germans saying she was a particular Jew so that the real one who was a Mother of 4 survived. She ended up at Auschwitz and in the Gas Chamber but was canonized as a Saint.

Correct. Stalin or Mao is probably more like it.

Shit troll btw. You know exactly what you are doing.

I don't agree with monf  most of the times.  But he is correct.  You can't bam the Catholic church and ignore every other organisation that has predators. 

You can't ban any organization or associate an organization just because they had individuals who allegedly sexually harassed or molested vulnerable children. Otherwise might as well ban all Education Departments around the country as well.

The vast majority of the Catholic Church does not condone this behaviour and are of course disgusted.

And you can't persecute an organization that is so important to about 30% of Australians and plays an important role in Australia's Irish roots.

I think it is time to ban Islam from Australia. 
It is a corrupt, totalitarian extremist political ideology which fronts itself as a religion, but just exploits those who are conned into having faith in its fake religion. 
It is a haven for paedophilia, homobhobia, anti-semitism and actual misogyny and will continue to attract people with such views with its' rigid doctrines.

^ Imagine the outrage from the same types of people going "Ban the Catholic church and seize its' assets!" if you went around saying this...

That sounds like most religions tbh.

You have to treat all religions the same. You either allow them all or you ban them all (which is anti-freedom and would nearly be impossible to enforce). You can't pick and choose and ban the ones you don't like and keep the ones you do like.

So let's get back to banning Catholicism then and Islam!

We are waiting!

How would you like to live in a country that bans your religion? How bad would that be? Won't they just go underground anyway? My religion was underground for the first 4 Centuries and from the 15th Century till the 20th century as we dodge mass genocides against our people. We are still around!

Why not ban the Cat's association? How about banning the Dogs association as well for crapping on the sidewalks (Disgusting stuff)?

How about we ban Conservative commentators as well for being against same sex marriage, abortion, and just for disagreeing with you.

How about we ban you from this forum for having a low IQ! After all, we are all dumber now for reading your posts!

What??????

I have no idea what your point is but I think you completely misread what I said.

I said you have to treat all religions the same. Either allow them all to exist or ban them all which would be nearly impossible to do and I think banning religion would be a compete waste of time and resources.

I am not saying ban the religion of Roman Catholicism, I am saying ban the corrupt organisation behind it which has little to do with religion but is just a corrupt money making business which has accrued. Everyone is free to believe whatever religion they want but money making faith exploiting businesses should be banned.

The organisation is the religion. There really isn’t anything else. There is the organisational structure of the Church and its adherence. The sacraments are bestowed by the Pope for the Catholic Church and by the the Patriarch of Constantinople and Jerusalem for the Orthodox Tradition.

You can’t practice the sacraments without the authority of the Patriarchate (which was given to him by The Holy Spirit). If you do, it is unofficial and schismatic. The Orthodox Tradition has Apostolic Ascension from the Apostles. The Catholics also claim to have this but they split from the main body during The Great Schism of 1054 resulting in Orthodoxy having the only connection to the Apostles and Jesus Christ but the Catholics disagree with this saying they still have Apostolic Ascension.

It’s like Royalty. Jesus Christ being the true King and the Pope His representative for the Catholics and the Patriarchate for the Orthodox.

You can’t remove the “organisation” or ban it and get rid of it. Or say it is a money making enterprise. They have title to all the Churches globally and hence do have a lot of money which was raised through its adherence and hence belongs to the body or the Church for its various activities which also include massive charity.

It will always remain to the end of times. Or until the next coming of Christ and judgement!

The prophecy also states that before the next coming, the 2 Churches (Catholic and Orthodox) will re-unite by The Power of the Holy Spirit.

The Church is much larger than Pell, the Pope or any Government on earth.

What beautiful revisionist stories to suit your own fascist agenda.  Fuck off mouth breather.

Not that it'll ever happen because it's a stupid idea, however I'm just curious to know if you had it your way would you ban the Roman Catholic church or the whole religion, so basically every single Christian religion out there?

I'd like to see all religions die out.  

But seeing they won't anytime soon they should, at the very least, do away with their tax free status.

If the religions stopped funding Private Hospitals, aged care and respite centers, schools, and Early Learning Centers, the Australian Education system, Health System, Child Care, and Aged Care would be up shit creek even more than it is already.

Therefore, don't bet on it because the vast majority of their Activities go to funding community projects for the wider community to use and they give a lot to charity as well.

So won't happen.

Uh huh...And in progressive secular countries like Norway, Sweden and Denmark etc none of those things are even an issue.

Those countries do not tax religions either. Religions are tax exempt because they are non-profit organizations.

What they make is all invested in creating more infrastructure such as Private Schools, Hospitals, Medical Centers, Respite Centers, Aged Care Facilities, Child Care Centers and Early Learning Centers and also shelters for the homeless and battered or abused women.

Other money goes to the administrative running of these facilities, wages and maintenance and also to charitable Organizations such as Salvation Army etc.

You can't tax such an organization, and even if you did it would be fruitless because they won't show any profit anyway and hence will not pay tax other than GST when they buy or pay for services which they are not exempt from.

They would just send money to the administrative arms of the Vatican or Patriarchate.

Here is another thing many of you imbeciles are ignoring. Religions such as the Catholic Church and others are responsible for so many great things in this country when you consider their contributions to society. No other organizations contribute anywhere near as much as these religions do. So, your little crusade is fruitless and self defeating too. 

They contribute all right.  Contribute to the the abuse suffered by 10's of thousands of children in their care over decades if not centuries resulting in broken homes, wrecked families and marriages, suicides and dysfunctional relationships.  Not to mention the pyschological trauma inflicted on women who would 'burn in hell' should they get a divorce or wanted to use contraception or weren't 'chaste' or had a child out of wedlock.  How many ruined people have wasted their lives worrying in fear over the consequences of some bunch of bullshit written by desert dwelling arabs thousands of years ago?

Fuck off with your sanctimonious bullshit about all the 'good' they do.

If the church stopped existing tomorrow other organisations would fill the gaps left over without a doubt and the world would be better for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_by_country

Even poor bloody nuns.  
http://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-headed-for-another-sex-abuse-scandal-as-nunstoo-speak-up-111539 
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/the-irish-woman-who-exposed-abuse-of-nuns-by-priests-25-years-ago-1.3788555

And before you crap on about picking on the Catholic Church I am 100% positive that this sort of thing happens across most, if not all, religions.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/apr/25/middle-east-child-abuse-pederasty

Filthy scum.  

Contribute to the suffering of 10,000s of people. Are you serious.

The reverse is true. The Catholic Church and other religions offer thousands of hospital beds, educate hundreds of thousands of Primary and Seconday School students, look after thousands in Child Care Centers and Early Learning Centers, look after thousands of elderly and shelter hundreds of homeless and abused and make thousands of meals for the needy every day.

One more thing. I am not at all convinced that Pell is guilty. He is a scapegoat. If he was a Pedophile, there would be dozens of victims over a prolonged period and not just 2 Choir Boys which could be fabricated. He was found guilty on hearsay and an early jury found him innocent 10 to 2. Something isn't right here. I am not saying he can't be guilty. Clearly he could, but that is not something to hold against an entire religion. It is George Pell on rial, not Catholicism or Christianity in general.

Sounds just like scientology (apart from priests must be celibate!)

The Catholic Church does much good as well, much more good than it does bad.  Shame the media only reports the juicy scandals.

Even if you don’t like the church, the idea that you can just throw the ban stick at it is complete fucking madness, yet a distinct possibility.

Guys don't waste your time on this flop, he just loves to trash talk Christianity as much as he can, then you make one little comment based off an opinion on football that he doesn't agree with you on and he'll cry and carry on like a bitch non stop.
This dog hates Christianity that bad he'll simply blame everything on Christians and deep down inside he hates anyone who believes in God because according to him no one should believe. In his ideal world everyone would be a flop like him, otherwise they'd deserve to get locked up, oh but may I add he hates dictators and believes people should be free to believe in what they want, well except for Christianity.

Yes, the guy has an agenda because he blatantly disregards all the contributions from Christian Religions such as the Catholic Church, Anglican Church, Lutherans and Orthodox. If you literally ban them, then you wipe out a lot more than they care to think or worry about. Australian Education will be in tatters for a start.

I agree with you and rusty 100% but like I said there's no point with Muz. He had his mind set on one thing which is fine, but then expects us all to think like he does which isn't fine. 
Best thing you can do is not give a shit about his pathetic biased opinions. 
Trust me don't even waste your time mate. 

I think you might be right.

A good solution is to not pay any attention to him and give him a platform for his intolerance towards religion.

Yeah better to deny and cover up institutional abuse.

Well , if you're ok with that.

I don't disregard them at all.  Are you seriously denying that the church hasn't abused 10's of thousands of people over many decades? 

What I find incredible is that you can sit there with a straight face and go 'well who cares about all that look at all the good they do'.

Talk about cognitive dissonance.



And I never said they should be banned.  I said they should be taxed

Yes I am denying that the Catholic Church has abused 10s of thousands of people.

oof
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

Unbelievable!

You are equating the 15th Century to now when everyone thought the earth was flat.

LOL you guys are so stupid!

Secondly, it's not the religion itself that is corrupt. It's the man within the religion. The religion itself is still full of wonderful people, who are God Fearing and donate their time to help others in need. They do this altruistically without wanting any reward or recognition.

The Orthodox Religion was for a long time a persecuted tradition. We were the Christians that were thrown to the Lions and lived throughout the Middle East suffering Islamic invasion after invasion and genocide. But we survive and follow the word of Christ even if it costs us our lives because we know there is no bigger reward than to be a Martyr for the Lord. In our religion, Martyrdom in the Lord's name is pretty much automatic sainthood. Myracles occur in your name and you are canonized. We do have a Martyrs Day that celebrates them all. And they are automatically in paradise. This is why Mary of Egypt took the place of a Jewish Mother of 3, was sent to the Gas Chambers in Auschwitz and died. This is how those that were thrown to the lions in the Colosseum, walked into the arena with smiles, including children. They were given this strength to do this by the Holy Spirit that came down to them as they were dismembered and eaten. Angels were watching and crying and also celebrating because the Kingdom of God inherited their souls.

This is what faith is all about. It's about understanding that there is a higher power and authority. That we must try to be good people and love others. That we must help others and be humble. That we must look to the Lord and try and be like Him.

Some of you mock this right now. But some of you will discover how wrong you are later in life hopefully and find your way. We pray that you do. When you do, you become more confident and powerful because you are given more strength by you know who. The Holy Spirit. The part of the trinity that comes to earth from the Father.

"dog, flop, bitch'.

Triggered much Rob?  All because I called out your misogyny in a matildas thread.  Look at you go.

Your ramblings are a prime example of an ad hominen attack.  (You might need to google that.)

I could call you worse names, like I said you hate all Christians and you know it. 
And again there's nothing mosogyny about saying a men's kit from the past was ugly, and the current female kit based off that same ugly kit is still in fact ugly. You're that far up yourself you couldn't even apologize for being wrong. There's absolutely nothing wrong with me not being interested in watching woman's football. You would have had a case if I was against watching any female sport but unfortunately for you I actually do watch UFC as one example and enjoy it just as much as many of the men's fights. Again even with that in mind you won't admit you jumped the gun and completely rocked yourself. Like I said you're too up yourself to apologize which is one of the reasons you're a piece of shit, dog, flop, but yeh most of all just a whinging bitch. 
As for hominem attack well you got that right I don't know what it means and believe me I wouldn't spend a second looking it up because I couldn't care less and wouldn't use that word in future anyways 😂
Anyways good luck like with your hate for Christians, regardless of what denomination they are from. 

Again, because comprehension is obviously something you're not well versed in, you implied that anyone liking that kit was a fraud or disingenuous or a virtue signaller based on your wrong assumption that everyone hated the first one.  You've got past form ragging on women's football. 

Good for you, you don't like it or women's football and that's fine by me.  What I objected to you was your implication that because it was a women's kit that was the only reason people were rating it.

So mate if you can't separate out the difference in your head between what you think I said and what I actually said then that's a problem with you, not me.

As for Christians, or Muslims or Calathumpians you can believe what you want to believe but don't try and pretend they haven't all been guilty of grave abuses now and in the past like mouflon/aikhme is trying to.  He can't even acknowledge that these things have happened.  What does that tell you about the intellectual honesty of his arguments?

It's funny how you claim comprehension is something I'm not well versed in. I didn't imply everyone hated the old kit I'm talking about majority. There is a reason why that kit was labeled the spew kit. Wake the fuck up and realise the obvious that it was voted by majority as being one of the worst regardless of your fucking opinion. 
So based on that all I said was that it's funny how it was ugly then, yet a great kit today as a female kit. If ugly for the men then it's ugly for the woman too. And then my next comment about not being too fussed about it was the simple fact that unlike the Men's world cup where I buy the kits I'm not to fussed about the woman's world cup because I'm not into it. So which ever way you look at it in your fucked up delusional mind there's nothing mysogonist in my comments. 
Then you say I have past form ragging about woman's football. This is why I have zero respect for dickheads like you. I've never talked shit about woman's football yet you make up a lie. You're seriously delusional. I don't even remember commenting on woman's football to begin with. Just because I don't watch it that doesn't mean I have to hate it or be against it. 
Now as for Christians I simply told the others not to waste their time on you because you're one thick human who won't admit anything so why bother. Basically I'm saying you hate Christians, so why on earth even pretend you don't? What benefit is there in that? Be a fucking man and admit it, judged by every single previous post of yours it's pretty fucking clear you hate God and don't believe in God so again where am I wrong there in saying that you hate the idea of religion, and Christianity above all?
Am I wrong there?
But as I said you still won't apologise for clearly being in the wrong, and you're that delusional that you'll make up lies and put words in my mouth about certain matters even when all I'm commenting on is football. And I'm supposed to respect you? Fuck off!

I didn't ask for your respect champ.  I'm not particularly fussed one way or the other.  You're clearly triggered big time over something.  Perhaps a lie down will help you calm down?

Yeh triggered just like you were when I didn't like your most beloved spew kit, great call 👍

 👍

Just so I understand this masterclass in logical reasoning:

people who do bad things in name of religion = people bad
people who do good things in name of religion = religion good

Any bad person can use things like religion to gain power and trust and still have non pure thoughts and evil actions. Just like people can also use Government or become a School teacher and do bad things.

Man is fallen. We are all fallen. We need to redeem ourselves first by our works and faith in the Lord. Not everyone is going to do this. And some of those people will take advantage of others.

No man has the Grace of God. We need to work for this, strive for it and we might not get there either. But God doesn't want perfection either. He knows we have our flaws but at the same time expects us to carry our own cross according to our own measure and ability. Some people will carry a big cross, whilst others a small one, and others like you no cross at all for the time being. God made his own Son carry his cross. He did it to save us. Such is the love.

What everyone needs to do is TRY.

So would it be fare to say America is a terrorist country for invading Iraq on false information of them having WMD? Does it mean because the actions of George Bush and his party going to war it is fair to claim every American is a terrorist?
I say this because some people in general have the opinion that if there is a priest who does wrong then he represents the whole chuch, every other denomination which he doesn't belong to and last but not least God himself.
 

Has anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile?

Yes there is a crusade going on against the Catholic Church.

And after the Catholics, it will be the Anglicans, Lutherans and Orthodox.

In fact it has been written as a prophecy in the revelations that before the end of times, Christianity will come under attack. Christianity will be persecuted. We are not even close to this yet, but when it happens vigilantes will be burning Church's, sacking Christians from jobs etc.

This will mark the beginning of the evil one's reign on earth for 7 years. Then we will be graced with our Lord's presence who will come back in glory to defeat the evil one. The dead will awake, and both the living and dead will be judged.

The dead have only fallen asleep.

God has already determined that we as Christians will also carry our cross like Jesus did and we must accept it like Jesus did! In fact we as Christians look forward to it and will embrace our cross with great love. We are not afraid or scared.

We look upon our cross as a gift from God.

Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. 
It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. 
None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%.
Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. 

Because he was found guilty in a court of law.

Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out.  It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes.

So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. 
The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. 
Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. 

There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them.

Regardless there's an appeal so there's still more to come. 

And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun.

They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true.

When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed.

The evidence that was displayed to the jury ffs.

That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims.

The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look.

I didn't make this up at all.

This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed.

There are also the testimonies of many people who claim that Cardinal Pell was never alone at any time when performing the sacraments as Archbishop, either before or after mass. There are testimonies that there were literally hundreds of people present.

But apparently he is accused of being a Pedophile but all his offences were only in a 2 week period. Who do you think your kidding?

Provide a source then.

You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side.

https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557

In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan.

One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws.

Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any.

https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187