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+x+x+x+x+x+xI hope that one day you do open your eyes and heart and strive to learn. You have nothing to lose. Go to Israel and follow the steps of the Lord, feel the power, the love, and learn the history. It is the greatest advice anyone can give you. Let go of the earthly things and yearn to be a spiritual person. Psychiatry is a powerful word and has much greater meaning than most people know or even care about. It's a Medical Science - with religious connotations. Psyche in Ancient Greek means soul. Today we talk about mental health but we have lost the meaning of what is necessary to be mentally healthy. We have even lost its meaning. It's the health of the soul. Our Lord is the greatest Physician to have walked the planet. Today we have record levels of suicide and mental illness. I don't give a fuck. Stop preaching your bullshit to me. No one is preaching to you or trying to change you. You need to do this yourself and want to change. It would be incredibly remiss of me if I do not show you love no matter how disrespectful and obnoxious you are. That is what the Lord teaches us. The irony of you calling someone disrespectful and obnoxious. You have been preaching to me and Muz on multiple occasions in this thread. Yes you are disrespectful, and obnoxious. You are also full of hatred and sarcasm. But I am still suppose to extend a warm and loving hand towards you and I will do that without reservation. Love your enemy... I only disrespect and hate people who strawman and move the goal posts because they can't win a debate fairly. I also hate pedo apologists and pedo defenders. There are no straw-men here mate. Just pure love towards you and prayer! Even if you do continue to make false accusations against us.
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+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. It's not a question of not believing the victims. The evidence was purely hearsay. The public wanted a conviction so Pell became the scapegoat.. Pell may have been handed his cross by God. This may be the cross he needs to bear. We will never know. But do not be surprised that this conviction could be overturned. Cui Bono! He has been accused as being a Pedophile. And yet he is only accused of abusing 2 boys in a very brief period. I find this very hard to believe. There would surely be more victims but there are none. Also, a Jury had previously found him NOT GUILTY 10 votes to 2, before this Jury was dismissed by the crown and another set up. Why?In addition, if he was guilty, he would not have come to Australia and face the charges. He came because he thought he could defend his reputation. In addition, the Vatican has not dismissed Cardinal Pell either, which to me indicated they are not impressed. I believe Pell is innocent. That's simply not true so stop lying. It has been rumoured that the jurors in the mistrial were split 10-to-two in favour of Pell. Is this right?This is an unverified rumour with no credible source. There have been plenty of other rumours about the split in the mistrial, including that it was more even. The weight of the split makes no difference. The law requires a unanimous or 11-to-one verdict, and anything else results in a mistrial. The chief judge is not told of the split and he made it clear he did not want to know. Any juror who reveals the split breaks the law.The mistrial split is also irrelevant in the appeal court. In the retrial, both parties may learn from their mistakes, change their approach and refine their arguments. It would be unfair to then judge the verdict in a retrial against the verdict in the mistrial. In Pell’s retrial, witnesses were dropped by mutual agreement of both parties, and Richter added a power point presentation to his defence. One new witness was added. It was similar, but not the same, as the first.https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/02/cardinal-george-pells-conviction-the-questions-that-remain You can run to The Guardian but you can't hide. The Vatican has the best lawyers and the ability to hang you all by your petards! https://catholiccitizens.org/news/82669/the-case-against-cardinal-george-pell-new-details-emerge/
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187
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+x+x+x+x+xI hope that one day you do open your eyes and heart and strive to learn. You have nothing to lose. Go to Israel and follow the steps of the Lord, feel the power, the love, and learn the history. It is the greatest advice anyone can give you. Let go of the earthly things and yearn to be a spiritual person. Psychiatry is a powerful word and has much greater meaning than most people know or even care about. It's a Medical Science - with religious connotations. Psyche in Ancient Greek means soul. Today we talk about mental health but we have lost the meaning of what is necessary to be mentally healthy. We have even lost its meaning. It's the health of the soul. Our Lord is the greatest Physician to have walked the planet. Today we have record levels of suicide and mental illness. I don't give a fuck. Stop preaching your bullshit to me. No one is preaching to you or trying to change you. You need to do this yourself and want to change. It would be incredibly remiss of me if I do not show you love no matter how disrespectful and obnoxious you are. That is what the Lord teaches us. The irony of you calling someone disrespectful and obnoxious. You have been preaching to me and Muz on multiple occasions in this thread. Yes you are disrespectful, and obnoxious. You are also full of hatred and sarcasm. But I am still suppose to extend a warm and loving hand towards you and I will do that without reservation. Love your enemy... I only disrespect and hate people who strawman and move the goal posts because they can't win a debate fairly. I also hate pedo apologists and pedo defenders.
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+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. It's not a question of not believing the victims. The evidence was purely hearsay. The public wanted a conviction so Pell became the scapegoat.. Pell may have been handed his cross by God. This may be the cross he needs to bear. We will never know. But do not be surprised that this conviction could be overturned. Cui Bono! He has been accused as being a Pedophile. And yet he is only accused of abusing 2 boys in a very brief period. I find this very hard to believe. There would surely be more victims but there are none. Also, a Jury had previously found him NOT GUILTY 10 votes to 2, before this Jury was dismissed by the crown and another set up. Why?In addition, if he was guilty, he would not have come to Australia and face the charges. He came because he thought he could defend his reputation. In addition, the Vatican has not dismissed Cardinal Pell either, which to me indicated they are not impressed. I believe Pell is innocent. That's simply not true so stop lying. It has been rumoured that the jurors in the mistrial were split 10-to-two in favour of Pell. Is this right?This is an unverified rumour with no credible source. There have been plenty of other rumours about the split in the mistrial, including that it was more even. The weight of the split makes no difference. The law requires a unanimous or 11-to-one verdict, and anything else results in a mistrial. The chief judge is not told of the split and he made it clear he did not want to know. Any juror who reveals the split breaks the law.The mistrial split is also irrelevant in the appeal court. In the retrial, both parties may learn from their mistakes, change their approach and refine their arguments. It would be unfair to then judge the verdict in a retrial against the verdict in the mistrial. In Pell’s retrial, witnesses were dropped by mutual agreement of both parties, and Richter added a power point presentation to his defence. One new witness was added. It was similar, but not the same, as the first.https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/02/cardinal-george-pells-conviction-the-questions-that-remain
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. There are also the testimonies of many people who claim that Cardinal Pell was never alone at any time when performing the sacraments as Archbishop, either before or after mass. There are testimonies that there were literally hundreds of people present. But apparently he is accused of being a Pedophile but all his offences were only in a 2 week period. Who do you think your kidding?
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+x+x+x+xI hope that one day you do open your eyes and heart and strive to learn. You have nothing to lose. Go to Israel and follow the steps of the Lord, feel the power, the love, and learn the history. It is the greatest advice anyone can give you. Let go of the earthly things and yearn to be a spiritual person. Psychiatry is a powerful word and has much greater meaning than most people know or even care about. It's a Medical Science - with religious connotations. Psyche in Ancient Greek means soul. Today we talk about mental health but we have lost the meaning of what is necessary to be mentally healthy. We have even lost its meaning. It's the health of the soul. Our Lord is the greatest Physician to have walked the planet. Today we have record levels of suicide and mental illness. I don't give a fuck. Stop preaching your bullshit to me. No one is preaching to you or trying to change you. You need to do this yourself and want to change. It would be incredibly remiss of me if I do not show you love no matter how disrespectful and obnoxious you are. That is what the Lord teaches us. The irony of you calling someone disrespectful and obnoxious. You have been preaching to me and Muz on multiple occasions in this thread. Yes you are disrespectful, and obnoxious. You are also full of hatred and sarcasm. But I am still suppose to extend a warm and loving hand towards you and I will do that without reservation. Love your enemy...
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+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. Well if you can disagree with the fact that the church has been complicit and active in the abuse and covering up of abuse over decades (if not centuries) despite all evidence to the contrary as Aikhme has then you can easily disagree with just about anything. I've never said the Roman Catholic church hasn't covered up. Again you put words into my mouth. I've previously said to you that the Roman Catholic church doing wrong doesn't make it right to ban all religions like is your wish. I'm not Roman Catholic so it would be unfair on my church to suffer what you wish upon them based off their cover up that has zero to do with my church and more importantly God. And same for the Roman Catholics themselves. There are millions within their church that wouldn't touch a kid and do more good in life than evil. But let's paint them all with the same brush. As for Pell himself I truly believe he's innocent in this case based off the evidence I've read of and the interview I've watched of Pell being interviewed by the police. Anyone who looks at the testimonies and evidence understands that the court was a Kangaroo Court. I'm with you. The evidence against Pell is extremely weak.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence ? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. The evidence that was displayed to the jury ffs.
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+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. Well if you can disagree with the fact that the church has been complicit and active in the abuse and covering up of abuse over decades (if not centuries) despite all evidence to the contrary as Aikhme has then you can easily disagree with just about anything. There is no evidence that the Church covered anything up. The Church is never going to answer to you or anyone. That will never happen.
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+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed.
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+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. It's not a question of not believing the victims. The evidence was purely hearsay. The public wanted a conviction so Pell became the scapegoat.. Pell may have been handed his cross by God. This may be the cross he needs to bear. We will never know. But do not be surprised that this conviction could be overturned. Cui Bono! He has been accused as being a Pedophile. And yet he is only accused of abusing 2 boys in a very brief period. I find this very hard to believe. There would surely be more victims but there are none. Also, a Jury had previously found him NOT GUILTY 10 votes to 2, before this Jury was dismissed by the crown and another set up. Why? In addition, if he was guilty, he would not have come to Australia and face the charges. He came because he thought he could defend his reputation. In addition, the Vatican has not dismissed Cardinal Pell either, which to me indicated they are not impressed. I believe Pell is innocent.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. Well if you can disagree with the fact that the church has been complicit and active in the abuse and covering up of abuse over decades (if not centuries) despite all evidence to the contrary as Aikhme has then you can easily disagree with just about anything. I've never said the Roman Catholic church hasn't covered up (1). Again you put words into my mouth. I've previously said to you that the Roman Catholic church doing wrong doesn't make it right to ban all religions like is your wish. (2) I'm not Roman Catholic so it would be unfair on my church to suffer what you wish upon them based off their cover up that has zero to do with my church and more importantly God. And same for the Roman Catholics themselves. There are millions within their church that wouldn't touch a kid and do more good in life than evil. But let's paint them all with the same brush. As for Pell himself I truly believe he's innocent in this case based off the evidence I've read of and the interview I've watched of Pell being interviewed by the police. (1) I didn't say you did. (2) And I never called for them to be banned so, as you say 'stop putting words in my mouth'. I said I wish they'd die out. You'd have to have rocks in your head if you thought only the Catholic church are guilty what's transpired. You can bet every other religion would have skeletons piled a mile high in their collective closets. You basically proved my point in number 2 there lol. And when you say you could bet your life lol omg I can't help but laugh. Based off zero evidence you have claimed my church is guilty of molesting children even though till this day there's been zero claims from anyone lol wow just wow. And even if you're right that still would mean that individual priest did wrong not the whole church. There's cases of teachers who have molested kids so what's your idea on teachers? Yeh mate let's ban teachers at schools from teaching our kids because some molest our kids, let's stop government funding of our schools because they are evil. Our police officers have committed some crimes too when really they are there to b protect us, you know what let's ban police and cut the funding. Honestly just put some thought into your comments. It really helps. Well what is your church Rob? Let's do a little bit of googling and find out shall we? And when you find zero articles on Google what will you then claim? Will you change your mind? No! Will I get an apology? No! Tell you what Rob if your religion is not guilty of abuses then I will apologise to your religion. I trust you will offer me the same courtesy? Honestly Muz I highly doubt you'll apologize and you'll come up with some invalid excuse not to. Go do your research on Assyrian Church of the East. One of the oldest Christian religions. But again even though I'm sure there isn't a case against my church I'm still supporting many other Christian religions that can claim the same thing. There's plenty of orthodox churches both eastern and western who I'd believe won't have many articles. But overall you ignore the main thing here that not all cases against the Roman Catholic church are true, just like not all cases of rape by woman against men are true. And those guilty are human beings themselves so you can't go and blame God ( not that you believe God exists ) for their actions and expect all followers of that faith to be okay with child molestation. They too are disgusted in the actions of those who do wrong but they don't need to turn away from faith because of the actions of someone evil. Well Rob a quick cursory look seems to place you on good ground. Congratulations I unreservedly apologise for casting aspersions on your religion. 😲 wow I'm impressed 😂 I guess I was wrong about getting an apology from you.
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+x+x+xI hope that one day you do open your eyes and heart and strive to learn. You have nothing to lose. Go to Israel and follow the steps of the Lord, feel the power, the love, and learn the history. It is the greatest advice anyone can give you. Let go of the earthly things and yearn to be a spiritual person. Psychiatry is a powerful word and has much greater meaning than most people know or even care about. It's a Medical Science - with religious connotations. Psyche in Ancient Greek means soul. Today we talk about mental health but we have lost the meaning of what is necessary to be mentally healthy. We have even lost its meaning. It's the health of the soul. Our Lord is the greatest Physician to have walked the planet. Today we have record levels of suicide and mental illness. I don't give a fuck. Stop preaching your bullshit to me. No one is preaching to you or trying to change you. You need to do this yourself and want to change. It would be incredibly remiss of me if I do not show you love no matter how disrespectful and obnoxious you are. That is what the Lord teaches us. The irony of you calling someone disrespectful and obnoxious. You have been preaching to me and Muz on multiple occasions in this thread.
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+x+xI hope that one day you do open your eyes and heart and strive to learn. You have nothing to lose. Go to Israel and follow the steps of the Lord, feel the power, the love, and learn the history. It is the greatest advice anyone can give you. Let go of the earthly things and yearn to be a spiritual person. Psychiatry is a powerful word and has much greater meaning than most people know or even care about. It's a Medical Science - with religious connotations. Psyche in Ancient Greek means soul. Today we talk about mental health but we have lost the meaning of what is necessary to be mentally healthy. We have even lost its meaning. It's the health of the soul. Our Lord is the greatest Physician to have walked the planet. Today we have record levels of suicide and mental illness. I don't give a fuck. Stop preaching your bullshit to me. No one is preaching to you or trying to change you. You need to do this yourself and want to change. It would be incredibly remiss of me if I do not show you love no matter how disrespectful and obnoxious you are. That is what the Lord teaches us.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. Well if you can disagree with the fact that the church has been complicit and active in the abuse and covering up of abuse over decades (if not centuries) despite all evidence to the contrary as Aikhme has then you can easily disagree with just about anything. I've never said the Roman Catholic church hasn't covered up (1). Again you put words into my mouth. I've previously said to you that the Roman Catholic church doing wrong doesn't make it right to ban all religions like is your wish. (2) I'm not Roman Catholic so it would be unfair on my church to suffer what you wish upon them based off their cover up that has zero to do with my church and more importantly God. And same for the Roman Catholics themselves. There are millions within their church that wouldn't touch a kid and do more good in life than evil. But let's paint them all with the same brush. As for Pell himself I truly believe he's innocent in this case based off the evidence I've read of and the interview I've watched of Pell being interviewed by the police. (1) I didn't say you did. (2) And I never called for them to be banned so, as you say 'stop putting words in my mouth'. I said I wish they'd die out. You'd have to have rocks in your head if you thought only the Catholic church are guilty what's transpired. You can bet every other religion would have skeletons piled a mile high in their collective closets. You basically proved my point in number 2 there lol. And when you say you could bet your life lol omg I can't help but laugh. Based off zero evidence you have claimed my church is guilty of molesting children even though till this day there's been zero claims from anyone lol wow just wow. And even if you're right that still would mean that individual priest did wrong not the whole church. There's cases of teachers who have molested kids so what's your idea on teachers? Yeh mate let's ban teachers at schools from teaching our kids because some molest our kids, let's stop government funding of our schools because they are evil. Our police officers have committed some crimes too when really they are there to b protect us, you know what let's ban police and cut the funding. Honestly just put some thought into your comments. It really helps. Well what is your church Rob? Let's do a little bit of googling and find out shall we? And when you find zero articles on Google what will you then claim? Will you change your mind? No! Will I get an apology? No! Tell you what Rob if your religion is not guilty of abuses then I will apologise to your religion. I trust you will offer me the same courtesy? Honestly Muz I highly doubt you'll apologize and you'll come up with some invalid excuse not to. Go do your research on Assyrian Church of the East. One of the oldest Christian religions. But again even though I'm sure there isn't a case against my church I'm still supporting many other Christian religions that can claim the same thing. There's plenty of orthodox churches both eastern and western who I'd believe won't have many articles. But overall you ignore the main thing here that not all cases against the Roman Catholic church are true, just like not all cases of rape by woman against men are true. And those guilty are human beings themselves so you can't go and blame God ( not that you believe God exists ) for their actions and expect all followers of that faith to be okay with child molestation. They too are disgusted in the actions of those who do wrong but they don't need to turn away from faith because of the actions of someone evil. Well Rob a quick cursory look seems to place you on good ground. Congratulations I unreservedly apologise for casting aspersions on your religion.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. Well if you can disagree with the fact that the church has been complicit and active in the abuse and covering up of abuse over decades (if not centuries) despite all evidence to the contrary as Aikhme has then you can easily disagree with just about anything. I've never said the Roman Catholic church hasn't covered up (1). Again you put words into my mouth. I've previously said to you that the Roman Catholic church doing wrong doesn't make it right to ban all religions like is your wish. (2) I'm not Roman Catholic so it would be unfair on my church to suffer what you wish upon them based off their cover up that has zero to do with my church and more importantly God. And same for the Roman Catholics themselves. There are millions within their church that wouldn't touch a kid and do more good in life than evil. But let's paint them all with the same brush. As for Pell himself I truly believe he's innocent in this case based off the evidence I've read of and the interview I've watched of Pell being interviewed by the police. (1) I didn't say you did. (2) And I never called for them to be banned so, as you say 'stop putting words in my mouth'. I said I wish they'd die out. You'd have to have rocks in your head if you thought only the Catholic church are guilty what's transpired. You can bet every other religion would have skeletons piled a mile high in their collective closets. You basically proved my point in number 2 there lol. And when you say you could bet your life lol omg I can't help but laugh. Based off zero evidence you have claimed my church is guilty of molesting children even though till this day there's been zero claims from anyone lol wow just wow. And even if you're right that still would mean that individual priest did wrong not the whole church. There's cases of teachers who have molested kids so what's your idea on teachers? Yeh mate let's ban teachers at schools from teaching our kids because some molest our kids, let's stop government funding of our schools because they are evil. Our police officers have committed some crimes too when really they are there to b protect us, you know what let's ban police and cut the funding. Honestly just put some thought into your comments. It really helps. Well what is your church Rob? Let's do a little bit of googling and find out shall we? And when you find zero articles on Google what will you then claim? Will you change your mind? No! Will I get an apology? No! Tell you what Rob if your religion is not guilty of abuses then I will apologise to your religion. I trust you will offer me the same courtesy? Honestly Muz I highly doubt you'll apologize and you'll come up with some invalid excuse not to. Go do your research on Assyrian Church of the East. One of the oldest Christian religions. But again even though I'm sure there isn't a case against my church I'm still supporting many other Christian religions that can claim the same thing. There's plenty of orthodox churches both eastern and western who I'd believe won't have many articles. But overall you ignore the main thing here that not all cases against the Roman Catholic church are true, just like not all cases of rape by woman against men are true. And those guilty are human beings themselves so you can't go and blame God ( not that you believe God exists ) for their actions and expect all followers of that faith to be okay with child molestation. They too are disgusted in the actions of those who do wrong but they don't need to turn away from faith because of the actions of someone evil.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. Well if you can disagree with the fact that the church has been complicit and active in the abuse and covering up of abuse over decades (if not centuries) despite all evidence to the contrary as Aikhme has then you can easily disagree with just about anything. I've never said the Roman Catholic church hasn't covered up (1). Again you put words into my mouth. I've previously said to you that the Roman Catholic church doing wrong doesn't make it right to ban all religions like is your wish. (2) I'm not Roman Catholic so it would be unfair on my church to suffer what you wish upon them based off their cover up that has zero to do with my church and more importantly God. And same for the Roman Catholics themselves. There are millions within their church that wouldn't touch a kid and do more good in life than evil. But let's paint them all with the same brush. As for Pell himself I truly believe he's innocent in this case based off the evidence I've read of and the interview I've watched of Pell being interviewed by the police. (1) I didn't say you did. (2) And I never called for them to be banned so, as you say 'stop putting words in my mouth'. I said I wish they'd die out. You'd have to have rocks in your head if you thought only the Catholic church are guilty what's transpired. You can bet every other religion would have skeletons piled a mile high in their collective closets. You basically proved my point in number 2 there lol. And when you say you could bet your life lol omg I can't help but laugh. Based off zero evidence you have claimed my church is guilty of molesting children even though till this day there's been zero claims from anyone lol wow just wow. And even if you're right that still would mean that individual priest did wrong not the whole church. There's cases of teachers who have molested kids so what's your idea on teachers? Yeh mate let's ban teachers at schools from teaching our kids because some molest our kids, let's stop government funding of our schools because they are evil. Our police officers have committed some crimes too when really they are there to b protect us, you know what let's ban police and cut the funding. Honestly just put some thought into your comments. It really helps. Well what is your church Rob? Let's do a little bit of googling and find out shall we? And when you find zero articles on Google what will you then claim? Will you change your mind? No! Will I get an apology? No! Tell you what Rob if your religion is not guilty of abuses then I will apologise to your religion. I trust you will offer me the same courtesy?
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Or maybe you'll simply claim they are just too good at covering up right? That sounds more like you.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. Well if you can disagree with the fact that the church has been complicit and active in the abuse and covering up of abuse over decades (if not centuries) despite all evidence to the contrary as Aikhme has then you can easily disagree with just about anything. I've never said the Roman Catholic church hasn't covered up (1). Again you put words into my mouth. I've previously said to you that the Roman Catholic church doing wrong doesn't make it right to ban all religions like is your wish. (2) I'm not Roman Catholic so it would be unfair on my church to suffer what you wish upon them based off their cover up that has zero to do with my church and more importantly God. And same for the Roman Catholics themselves. There are millions within their church that wouldn't touch a kid and do more good in life than evil. But let's paint them all with the same brush. As for Pell himself I truly believe he's innocent in this case based off the evidence I've read of and the interview I've watched of Pell being interviewed by the police. (1) I didn't say you did. (2) And I never called for them to be banned so, as you say 'stop putting words in my mouth'. I said I wish they'd die out. You'd have to have rocks in your head if you thought only the Catholic church are guilty what's transpired. You can bet every other religion would have skeletons piled a mile high in their collective closets. You basically proved my point in number 2 there lol. And when you say you could bet your life lol omg I can't help but laugh. Based off zero evidence you have claimed my church is guilty of molesting children even though till this day there's been zero claims from anyone lol wow just wow. And even if you're right that still would mean that individual priest did wrong not the whole church. There's cases of teachers who have molested kids so what's your idea on teachers? Yeh mate let's ban teachers at schools from teaching our kids because some molest our kids, let's stop government funding of our schools because they are evil. Our police officers have committed some crimes too when really they are there to b protect us, you know what let's ban police and cut the funding. Honestly just put some thought into your comments. It really helps. Well what is your church Rob? Let's do a little bit of googling and find out shall we? And when you find zero articles on Google what will you then claim? Will you change your mind? No! Will I get an apology? No!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. Well if you can disagree with the fact that the church has been complicit and active in the abuse and covering up of abuse over decades (if not centuries) despite all evidence to the contrary as Aikhme has then you can easily disagree with just about anything. I've never said the Roman Catholic church hasn't covered up (1). Again you put words into my mouth. I've previously said to you that the Roman Catholic church doing wrong doesn't make it right to ban all religions like is your wish. (2) I'm not Roman Catholic so it would be unfair on my church to suffer what you wish upon them based off their cover up that has zero to do with my church and more importantly God. And same for the Roman Catholics themselves. There are millions within their church that wouldn't touch a kid and do more good in life than evil. But let's paint them all with the same brush. As for Pell himself I truly believe he's innocent in this case based off the evidence I've read of and the interview I've watched of Pell being interviewed by the police. (1) I didn't say you did. (2) And I never called for them to be banned so, as you say 'stop putting words in my mouth'. I said I wish they'd die out. You'd have to have rocks in your head if you thought only the Catholic church are guilty what's transpired. You can bet every other religion would have skeletons piled a mile high in their collective closets. You basically proved my point in number 2 there lol. And when you say you could bet your life lol omg I can't help but laugh. Based off zero evidence you have claimed my church is guilty of molesting children even though till this day there's been zero claims from anyone lol wow just wow. And even if you're right that still would mean that individual priest did wrong not the whole church. There's cases of teachers who have molested kids so what's your idea on teachers? Yeh mate let's ban teachers at schools from teaching our kids because some molest our kids, let's stop government funding of our schools because they are evil. Our police officers have committed some crimes too when really they are there to b protect us, you know what let's ban police and cut the funding. Honestly just put some thought into your comments. It really helps. Well what is your church Rob? Let's do a little bit of googling and find out shall we?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. Well if you can disagree with the fact that the church has been complicit and active in the abuse and covering up of abuse over decades (if not centuries) despite all evidence to the contrary as Aikhme has then you can easily disagree with just about anything. I've never said the Roman Catholic church hasn't covered up (1). Again you put words into my mouth. I've previously said to you that the Roman Catholic church doing wrong doesn't make it right to ban all religions like is your wish. (2) I'm not Roman Catholic so it would be unfair on my church to suffer what you wish upon them based off their cover up that has zero to do with my church and more importantly God. And same for the Roman Catholics themselves. There are millions within their church that wouldn't touch a kid and do more good in life than evil. But let's paint them all with the same brush. As for Pell himself I truly believe he's innocent in this case based off the evidence I've read of and the interview I've watched of Pell being interviewed by the police. (1) I didn't say you did. (2) And I never called for them to be banned so, as you say 'stop putting words in my mouth'. I said I wish they'd die out. You'd have to have rocks in your head if you thought only the Catholic church are guilty what's transpired. You can bet every other religion would have skeletons piled a mile high in their collective closets. You basically proved my point in number 2 there lol. And when you say you could bet your life lol omg I can't help but laugh. Based off zero evidence you have claimed my church is guilty of molesting children even though till this day there's been zero claims from anyone lol wow just wow. And even if you're right that still would mean that individual priest did wrong not the whole church. There's cases of teachers who have molested kids so what's your idea on teachers? Yeh mate let's ban teachers at schools from teaching our kids because some molest our kids, let's stop government funding of our schools because they are evil. Our police officers have committed some crimes too when really they are there to b protect us, you know what let's ban police and cut the funding. Honestly just put some thought into your comments. It really helps.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. Well if you can disagree with the fact that the church has been complicit and active in the abuse and covering up of abuse over decades (if not centuries) despite all evidence to the contrary as Aikhme has then you can easily disagree with just about anything. I've never said the Roman Catholic church hasn't covered up (1). Again you put words into my mouth. I've previously said to you that the Roman Catholic church doing wrong doesn't make it right to ban all religions like is your wish. (2) I'm not Roman Catholic so it would be unfair on my church to suffer what you wish upon them based off their cover up that has zero to do with my church and more importantly God. And same for the Roman Catholics themselves. There are millions within their church that wouldn't touch a kid and do more good in life than evil. But let's paint them all with the same brush. As for Pell himself I truly believe he's innocent in this case based off the evidence I've read of and the interview I've watched of Pell being interviewed by the police. (1) I didn't say you did. (2) And I never called for them to be banned so, as you say 'stop putting words in my mouth'. I said I wish they'd die out. You'd have to have rocks in your head if you thought only the Catholic church are guilty what's transpired. You can bet every other religion would have skeletons piled a mile high in their collective closets.
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+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. Regardless there's an appeal so there's still more to come.
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+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. Well if you can disagree with the fact that the church has been complicit and active in the abuse and covering up of abuse over decades (if not centuries) despite all evidence to the contrary as Aikhme has then you can easily disagree with just about anything. I've never said the Roman Catholic church hasn't covered up. Again you put words into my mouth. I've previously said to you that the Roman Catholic church doing wrong doesn't make it right to ban all religions like is your wish. I'm not Roman Catholic so it would be unfair on my church to suffer what you wish upon them based off their cover up that has zero to do with my church and more importantly God. And same for the Roman Catholics themselves. There are millions within their church that wouldn't touch a kid and do more good in life than evil. But let's paint them all with the same brush. As for Pell himself I truly believe he's innocent in this case based off the evidence I've read of and the interview I've watched of Pell being interviewed by the police.
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