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NST potential EOI of 20+ clubs is getting me excited about as much as I got excited for the Aleague 15 interested bids back in 2018. 

Pretty much bugger all. 

Those that have been around football long enough know what I'm talking about. 

Putting in an EOI does not show us that there is an increase in investment in clubs to grow with the ambition of becoming professional and complying with the requirements. 
Most of the EOIs are due to egos or fomo. 

Most clubs would see the proposal, and know it's asking way too much. 
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Arthur - 24 Feb 2023 8:31 AM

My other concern is that many are saying have a closed league NST for 3-5 years. Absolutely NOT.

Maybe a one year grace period for pro/rel from NST to NPL that's the limit.
Otherwise we fall into the same trap.
Pro/Rel will always have the caveat that a Club comming up to the NST will be required to have the minimum criteria, its a given.
Having Pro/Rel after one year grace allows for ambition, investment and strategic planning from Clubs in the NPL to aspire to the NST, obvious I would have thought.

P/R to 'be considered' after  NST has 'matured'.  Both criteria decided by FA,

Nice to believe thats 1 year total but yes, we are falling into the same trap. This is the fundamental problem, being set up on a failed concept.

I'm of the mind that the best hope is that the ALM will collapse quicker and Townsend/Lederer will miraculously invent P/R for the good of the game

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bettega - 23 Feb 2023 11:21 PM
I didn't realise Brunswick Juventus was still a thing.

The matrix of Vic Italian clubs throughout the last 30 years may need an update. 
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EOI Submitted list CONFIRMED ONLY
1. Gold Coast Knights
2. Sunshine Coast
3. Peninsular Power
4. Sydney Olympic
5. Brisbane Olympic
6. Rockdale Illinden

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PGR - 23 Feb 2023 8:53 PM
Munrubenmuz - 23 Feb 2023 7:42 AM

Arguably the best 3 QLD clubs not interested? A worry for the NST.

Not sure where you get the idea that Strikers are part of the best 3 Qld clubs? Or Brisbane City for that matter. Are you suggesting these as the best 3 purely because they were in the old NSL at various stages?
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I would also get the notion that the NST is "Full Time Professional" across the board from players coaches and administrators is not a given.
The NPL CLubs have been constrained for two decades now, told they won't be on a National Platform, won't have a remote possibility of being in the ALM and siloed into NPL to produce players for the ALM and Socceroos, that's your role. Quite frankly they were neutralised.

Give the NST some time to get used to the idea of the chains being removed and work towards growth and capability. It's only logical.

I have consistantly said if we want to improve having an existing NST in the NPL, with over 120 clubs and 2,500 players was not going to cut it.

With a NST of 12-14 teams we will get better outcomes, even if part time initially. Clubs will be ambitious and wanting success, the way consistant success will come is naturally to become more professional.

So on a more professional footing yes, absolutely. Part time professional Yes to start.

My other concern is that many are saying have a closed league NST for 3-5 years. Absolutely NOT.

Maybe a one year grace period for pro/rel from NST to NPL that's the limit.
Otherwise we fall into the same trap.
Pro/Rel will always have the caveat that a Club comming up to the NST will be required to have the minimum criteria, its a given.
Having Pro/Rel after one year grace allows for ambition, investment and strategic planning from Clubs in the NPL to aspire to the NST, obvious I would have thought.
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Arthur - 23 Feb 2023 10:07 AM
Queensland
Peninsula Power
Olympic FC
Sunshine Coast Fire
Gold Coast Knights
Wynnum Wolves
Brisbane United (composite club) will confirm when known and not sure if this part of Brisbane Strikers or if Strikers have applied.
NSW
APIA
Marconi
Sydney Olympic
Sydney United
Wollongong Wolves
Victoria
Heidelberg United
Melbourne Knights
South Melbourne
Hume City
Preston Lions
Brunswick Juventus
Caroline Springs George Cross
Tasmania
South Hobart
South Australia
Adelaide City

Great start with EOI entries, really interesting is the number of Club in Queensland with the ambition to reach a higher level.
Their aspiration deserves a lot of credit, whether they make it or not.

Behind these Clubs, some clubs I've spoken to realise they aren't ready, they do want to reach the NST level. To achieve that goal they are already putting together 5 year strategic plans together.
It's becoming evident that having this new national platform is infuenceing clubs to plan, invest and aspire.

Add Rockdale Ilinden and a second Tasmanian Club (unknown at this stage)
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I can see the future of Australian club football unfurling before my eyes:

2024: NSD starts with 12-14 teams, A-League expands to 14 teams with Canberra and Auckland (for 24/25 season)
2025-26: NSD expands to 16 teams and introduces pro-rel with the NPL, A-League expands to 16 teams with Gold Coast and Tasmania (for 25/26 season)

Then the A-League's Paramount+ deal runs out after the 25/26 season, and the next deal looks like it will inevitably be a steep drop in value (potentially covering not much more than production costs), so the APL bites the bullet and switches to a winter calendar for the 2027 season, dropping the salary cap and offering promotion-relegation with the NSD.

Voilà, we have a fully integrated pyramid within 5 years from now and all our dreams are fulfilled!
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If 20 clubs really have submitted an eoi those clubs should be eligible for promotion if they dont make the nst from day 1
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I didn't realise Brunswick Juventus was still a thing.

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PGR - 23 Feb 2023 9:45 PM
libelous - 23 Feb 2023 9:37 PM

More realistic than P&R. I jest not.

Why would they pay in the millions when the NST is a lot cheaper to apply to and would have a great feel good factor in the first couple of seasons?
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LFC. - 23 Feb 2023 1:33 PM
20 hats in the ring from Arthurs list.
Sure some most likely won't make it but kudos for the ambition, only means they will try again next or following season in the meantime work on why they got knocked back.
Yer Qld ones are way more than expected but I also went "what" seeing the South Hobart EOI.
I suspect a few more yet to forward their EOI but a good base to work with so far.

Is anyone surprised Rockdale hasn't been mentioned to date ?
Perfect sized syn ground with cover one side and they always have reasonable backing.

Re Rockdale, speak of the devil, they’ve just announced their submission of an EOI. As has been noted in a few posts above, good to see so much ambition from various clubs around the country. maybe i’m just a being cynical, and obviously the clubs in question  know their finances better than I do, but it does seem like a huge leap for some of the clubs listed to go from being small to medium sized state league clubs to full time professionalism within a year. I can understand the likes of south Melbourne,  Marconi etc who have a history of playing in the national competition and were close to professional in the past, but with all due respect, how on earth are the likes of Wynnum wolves or George cross planning on being a fully professional football club in 12 months time. Time will tell I guess, good for them if they can 
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libelous - 23 Feb 2023 9:37 PM
PGR - 23 Feb 2023 8:49 PM

A League expansion? You jest obviously . 🤣🤣🤣

More realistic than P&R. I jest not.
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PGR - 23 Feb 2023 8:49 PM
Arthur - 23 Feb 2023 10:07 AM

So, it looks like Canberra will be one of the ALM expansion clubs

A League expansion? You jest obviously . 🤣🤣🤣
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Munrubenmuz - 23 Feb 2023 7:42 AM
No Strikers, no City, no Lions.

https://twitter.com/FrontPgFootball/status/1628187471585632257?t=fDAALIQsvy6MeETKYJ_N6A&s=19


FOUR Queensland clubs have expressed their interest in Football Australia's National Second Division.

- Peninsula Power
- Olympic FC
- Sunshine Coast Fire
- Gold Coast Knights

Arguably the best 3 QLD clubs not interested? A worry for the NST.
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Arthur - 23 Feb 2023 10:07 AM
Queensland
Peninsula Power
Olympic FC
Sunshine Coast Fire
Gold Coast Knights
Wynnum Wolves
Brisbane United (composite club) will confirm when known and not sure if this part of Brisbane Strikers or if Strikers have applied.
NSW
APIA
Marconi
Sydney Olympic
Sydney United
Wollongong Wolves
Victoria
Heidelberg United
Melbourne Knights
South Melbourne
Hume City
Preston Lions
Brunswick Juventus
Caroline Springs George Cross
Tasmania
South Hobart
South Australia
Adelaide City

Great start with EOI entries, really interesting is the number of Club in Queensland with the ambition to reach a higher level.
Their aspiration deserves a lot of credit, whether they make it or not.

Behind these Clubs, some clubs I've spoken to realise they aren't ready, they do want to reach the NST level. To achieve that goal they are already putting together 5 year strategic plans together.
It's becoming evident that having this new national platform is infuenceing clubs to plan, invest and aspire.

So, it looks like Canberra will be one of the ALM expansion clubs
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numklpkgulftumch - 23 Feb 2023 10:40 AM
theFOOTBALLlover - 23 Feb 2023 10:13 AM

Seems to be the list that SMFCMike tweeted as unconfirmed



Same source.
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theFOOTBALLlover - 23 Feb 2023 10:13 AM
Arthur - 23 Feb 2023 10:07 AM

All these clubs confirmed?

Yes
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numklpkgulftumch - 23 Feb 2023 11:23 AM
Arthur - 23 Feb 2023 10:07 AM

Strikers are a Basket case at the moment

Hard to believe they can show financial stability

https://twitter.com/CameronAtfield/status/1612338493069590528?s=20

Yes I've been reading Cameron's feed.

But this EOI is just the first step, if they can't meet the basic requirements they will be caught out.
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GDeathe - 23 Feb 2023 1:52 PM
LFC. - 23 Feb 2023 1:33 PM

why is it a surprise about the amount of QLD clubs considering most of those go up and down a state the size of QLD in the NPL going national is not a big as you think
NPL QLD is dead with the creation of NSD, BPL will probably take over its carcass



Yer don’t get me wrong - it’s great to see I’m just basing on hardly any talk of QNPL over the years in here for there’s hardly a mention barring Strikers and the past and the later issues what has been mentioned in recent years otherwise it’s all BR BR.
It’s great to see re the NST in turn I would hope the BPL lifts another level going ahead.



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Arthur - 23 Feb 2023 10:07 AM
Queensland
Peninsula Power
Olympic FC
Sunshine Coast Fire
Gold Coast Knights
Wynnum Wolves
Brisbane United (composite club) will confirm when known and not sure if this part of Brisbane Strikers or if Strikers have applied.
NSW
APIA
Marconi
Sydney Olympic
Sydney United
Wollongong Wolves
Victoria
Heidelberg United
Melbourne Knights
South Melbourne
Hume City
Preston Lions
Brunswick Juventus
Caroline Springs George Cross
Tasmania
South Hobart
South Australia
Adelaide City

Great start with EOI entries, really interesting is the number of Club in Queensland with the ambition to reach a higher level.
Their aspiration deserves a lot of credit, whether they make it or not.

Behind these Clubs, some clubs I've spoken to realise they aren't ready, they do want to reach the NST level. To achieve that goal they are already putting together 5 year strategic plans together.
It's becoming evident that having this new national platform is infuenceing clubs to plan, invest and aspire.

To me this is the really important thing. With a national second tier you will double the number of professional clubs in Australia. But more importantly you have other clubs that will aspire to do the same in the future. They may not be 'professional' in the short term but they will be lifting their game from where they are now.  
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LFC. - 23 Feb 2023 1:33 PM
20 hats in the ring from Arthurs list.
Sure some most likely won't make it but kudos for the ambition, only means they will try again next or following season in the meantime work on why they got knocked back.
Yer Qld ones are way more than expected but I also went "what" seeing the South Hobart EOI.
I suspect a few more yet to forward their EOI but a good base to work with so far.

Is anyone surprised Rockdale hasn't been mentioned to date ?
Perfect sized syn ground with cover one side and they always have reasonable backing.

why is it a surprise about the amount of QLD clubs considering most of those go up and down a state the size of QLD in the NPL going national is not a big as you think
NPL QLD is dead with the creation of NSD, BPL will probably take over its carcass



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20 hats in the ring from Arthurs list.
Sure some most likely won't make it but kudos for the ambition, only means they will try again next or following season in the meantime work on why they got knocked back.
Yer Qld ones are way more than expected but I also went "what" seeing the South Hobart EOI.
I suspect a few more yet to forward their EOI but a good base to work with so far.

Is anyone surprised Rockdale hasn't been mentioned to date ?
Perfect sized syn ground with cover one side and they always have reasonable backing.


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Arthur - 23 Feb 2023 10:07 AM

Brisbane United (composite club) will confirm when known and not sure if this part of Brisbane Strikers or if Strikers have applied.

Strikers are a Basket case at the moment

Hard to believe they can show financial stability

https://twitter.com/CameronAtfield/status/1612338493069590528?s=20

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Arthur - 23 Feb 2023 10:07 AM
Queensland
Peninsula Power
Olympic FC
Sunshine Coast Fire
Gold Coast Knights
Wynnum Wolves
Brisbane United (composite club) will confirm when known and not sure if this part of Brisbane Strikers or if Strikers have applied.
NSW
APIA
Marconi
Sydney Olympic
Sydney United
Wollongong Wolves
Victoria
Heidelberg United
Melbourne Knights
South Melbourne
Hume City
Preston Lions
Brunswick Juventus
Caroline Springs George Cross
Tasmania
South Hobart
South Australia
Adelaide City

Great start with EOI entries, really interesting is the number of Club in Queensland with the ambition to reach a higher level.
Their aspiration deserves a lot of credit, whether they make it or not.

Behind these Clubs, some clubs I've spoken to realise they aren't ready, they do want to reach the NST level. To achieve that goal they are already putting together 5 year strategic plans together.
It's becoming evident that having this new national platform is infuenceing clubs to plan, invest and aspire.


Will be interesting to see what happens to the squads at these clubs wanting to make the transition from semi professional to professional set ups. For instance from a  Marconi perspective you’ve got young ambitious players in the squad like domenic costanzo who have made it clear that their long term goal is to become a professional footballer, who would  likely grab the opportunity with both hands. And then on the other hand you’ve got a key player like Marko Jesic who is coming towards the end of their career and may or may not have “been there done that” with regards to professional sport and would rather be in a semi pro contract where he’d be free to supplement his income elsewhere.
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Welcome Glenardo from me too... Im absolutely foaming at resuming the Marconi rivalry... Was always one of my favourite opponents... These Green jersied beasts who came down to Middle Park were a formidable opponent back in the day. I hope to see that giant soccer ball at Marconi stadium next year :)

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numklpkgulftumch - 23 Feb 2023 10:40 AM
theFOOTBALLlover - 23 Feb 2023 10:13 AM

Seems to be the list that SMFCMike tweeted as unconfirmed



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Arthur - 23 Feb 2023 10:07 AM

All these clubs confirmed?

Seems to be the list that SMFCMike tweeted as unconfirmed



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