Maybe it's a Melbourne thing, but woggy thing (especially against the southern Europeans) that you feel discriminated against, doesn't happen in Sydney since the 1970s.

Maybe you right, I do agree that it's small minority, but a Greek person I hope seeing a Nth Macedonia's flag in the NSD doesn't spark any deep feeling or a Serbian seeing a Croatian flag> I hope & pray fro the sake of the game in Australia hope you are right.

I agree, just stating that the only thing i (personally) know about Cronulla is to associate them with the race riots.

Im sorry your right, I don't get what you are trying to say (but trying to ask respectfully) I have never met anyone trying to fight their father's fights or homeland fights? What ARE they? Ive been in a few scuffles at the soccer (many many many moons ago, looking back shamefully now) and never thought to associate a past war against the Croatian's for example to our hatred of Melbourne Knights???? I dont think there ever has been a "homeland fight" to be honest, most Croatian Australian people I have met are genuine, warm, funny, welcoming people??? No Croatian EVER told me to "fuck off back to my own country" or to not speak my "woggy language in public"

We had a rivalry with george Cross but, apart from maybe the Byzantines invading Malta in the 1300s hundreds (I think) I cant think of ANY animosity between us.
Maybe Italy invading Greece in World War 2 I suppose but after they capitulated, and the fact it was 80 years ago, and we are so farkin similar I think noboday even remembers it these days... With the North Macedonians, sure there was some tension in the early 90s but I don't think anyone really cares anymore (I certainly don't) .. did I leave anyone out that we are supposed to be fighting our "father's wars"??? 

Don't get suckered into the "propaganda" mate, honestly.... 

Thats a contusing counter argument Paulie... the actual title of the article you posted even says that Sydney Croatia WON'T be banned from second division and the door was "never closed" to them??? Ar you SURE you know whats going on in FA? 

"I think the FA are onto to it. No way will Sydney Croatia get in the NST, just no way. Same will apply to a select others" PGR wisdom March 2023

Really, show where and what I've said that is racist?

Here are the racists you're trying to defend.....

https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/racist-fans-wont-ban-clubs-from-a-league-second-division-the-door-was-never-closed-591724

So be it, accept that it will be back to the future with plenty of fire works on the 6.00 pm news.

Can't see it getting around this specific FA criteria however.....

Such additional criteria as Football Australia may determine are in the best interests of football in Australia. 

Don't give that racist idiot oxygen

And what if they do get selected? What then?

I think the FA are onto to it. No way will Sydney Croatia get in the NST, just no way. Same will apply to a select others.

 
Then why is Sutherland sharks so poorly supported? Only family members of the players go support them. 
The only thing good is the junior participation. 

Fact is, Cronulla is NRL and nothing else. 

That joint bid is a joke. 

Except strangely affluent

It's Penrith or Mt Druitt by the Sea. 

The riot was a bit like pre WW1 Europe. Powder keg just waiting to go off. That the group in question chose to attack a surf life saver..... if you were a Bond villain planning something, you couldn't design it any bettter. Add in the reacts from radio shock jocks and some very, very committed locals (before social media) who fanned the thing by texting "wog bashing day" to all a sundry (at 10 cents a text in those days)... surprised the crowd wasn't double. 

High numbers of Europeans across the Sutherland Shire, which includes suburbs such as Cronulla, Caringbah, Gymea/Bay, Sutherland etc
Without going into the riots issue of the day, the perceived 'non Australian' element caused contiuous trouble. over a long period of time down the beach and it went from there. The perpetrators were not from the Shire, without pointing out the areas they were infact from. It happened in and around Cronulla Beach because the beach attracts all sorts, the good, bad and then some. 
Sutherland area has a massive soccer interest, for many years, with thet highest number of junior teams in a given area. This is the area that would accomodate an A League team easily. Sydney fc are about an hour or more away from this basin, as they train at Ryde, N/E of Sydney. Allianz Stadium is in the City East area, nowhere near the Southern Suburbs of Cronulla Sutherland. 

That was not at a football ground. It was also rightly condemned.

You unfortunately will never get it, it's not the effnick clubs, it's the fans fighting their fathers or homeland fights.

Fair enough.

For what it’s worth Frankston is actually pretty nice too in parts, there are many multi million dollar properties down there  

Cronulla is not a bogan hellhole though. Really nice part of Southern Sydney. Very big football area.

Those fuckheads involved in the riot were whipped up and egged on by right wing nutjobs for weeks before any of that shit went down. And whilst they were a bunch of fuckheads for carrying on the way they did the lebs that were going down to the beaches causing a ruckus every weekend didn't do themselves any favours.

I remember when someone on here suggested the next A League franchise should be called the Cronulla Riots - classic!

Think the Frankston of Sydney. Southern most suburb of the city, Physically a nice place, but the water, but stereotypically a similar demographic. These days a fair bit of money in the area though, as is the case in vast swaths of Sydney tbh 

Same.

Thats good mate, Ive never been there the only thing I know about Cronulla is the riots.

Yes I can imagine that win will live on in the memory of all Liverpool fans 7 nil against your biggest rival is massive.

Maybe just me, yes distance was always an effort, maybe if my old man felt the need to go out to Fraser park when I was a kid so he could stand with his cronies & watch football & talk of days gone by I may have felt different, but I never felt the need. I always thought from even a young age I would cheer for Socceroos over Portugal anyway.
Again, maybe because I didn't live near any other Portuguese people (only family) I became an Aussie fairly quickly & it wasn't till my 20s that I really felt my Portuguese heritage a bit more. However in football that just meant I just understood the history of Eusebio & then followed Futre, Figo, Deco & then the great one King Ronnie. Just never needed a Fraser park like club.

I think most people have moved on from that.
What we don't don't understand is the Sydney United fans (the Nazi ones) & why is Sth Melbourne hellas v Preston Macedonia a grudge match in Australian Football (no not AFL, which is not football to me).

People (not referring to Butler) not from here don't remember how/when United came about or the fact we pre-date all this bullshit NSL effniks vs new dawners crap.

Ha ha oh trust me I hated them for many many years after I was dropped.
Not going to go into it coz I genuinely still get angry at how that went down aha
But I have a tiny soft spot and drive past there every morning on my way to work

too true re the history Flytox.
Crying shame but how the cards have fallen, so many old scares and recent ones.
Both entities have caused much harm in the big picture moving ahead with all the background intel and hindsight 2023 I sure hope the FA have a farfar better grip and understanding how to structure the NST and below work alot more co hesive and inclusive so every sector knows where they stand and direction.
Sure we're gonna have some speed humps and roundabouts over the 1st year and more but please be ready for corrective actions from the get go and less talk when it matters.

Agreed, these NSL bitters however were/are the driving force behind getting this thing off the ground as there was definitely no appetite for it in the old FFA and open hostility towards it by the current APL.... 

FWIW I think Cronulla model is a good one... Like Bohemia states above, getting funding of the Leagues club behind their push is a little different than the old abominations of Carlton SC and Collingwood Warriors....  I just hope the local Cronulla population has moved on from their bogan effnik bashing riot days.

Forget this in bold for sometime or never, it just won't be open and should be left alone and any AL Club being demoted, there's nothing about this going to ocur, focus is on the NST and its surrounds.

my pref would be Seymour Shaw - their home ground but I can see what may occur.
One use Shark Park but we're playing in the winter as does the NRL.
Those grounds get chopped up as we know if games are on post NRL game, that sucks imo besides using Seymour keeps the shire DNA of Sutho's home ground.
Though I can see there may a push to play @ Shark Park and leave Seymour for their next level below teams.

haha the win of the century will forever keep giving :)

Ah ok re Fraser was just curious plus the geography makes that a bit of an effort, going to relos a different storey.
We're all Aussie in the big picture (well those that are officially) :)