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Monoethnic Social Club - 17 Feb 2023 3:16 PM
Davide82 - 17 Feb 2023 3:13 PM

Yeah mate, probably

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I always knew it.
Between the Liverpool support, the going against P/R the second your club gets a chance etc etc etc

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Davide82 - 17 Feb 2023 3:25 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 17 Feb 2023 3:19 PM

I don't get it. You made it sound like this was a tv deal?

Wishful thinking I guess.... :)
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Davide82 - 17 Feb 2023 3:27 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 17 Feb 2023 3:16 PM

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I always knew it.
Between the Liverpool support, the going against P/R the second your club gets a chance etc etc etc

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Oh FFS. hahahahahahahahha at least make me a little taller. hahahahahahahaha
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Monoethnic Social Club - 17 Feb 2023 3:31 PM
Davide82 - 17 Feb 2023 3:27 PM

Oh FFS. hahahahahahahahha at least make me a little taller. hahahahahahahaha

ha ha no!
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Davide82 - 17 Feb 2023 3:35 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 17 Feb 2023 3:31 PM

ha ha no!
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Not sure if this is the right thread for it, but a 16 team A-league is just way too many.

There is not enough talent in this country to keep this league at a high level whilst populating 16 professional teams. 

14 should be the absolute maximum in the top flight.

Also, i presume the two teams being added in 24/25 and the two teams being added in 25/26 means a 30 round season. When is this being played?? It rules out summer entirely as you can't squeeze this many games into this schedule over summer. You will be starting and finishing during AFL and NRL seasons.

Start season 23/24 earlier and finish earlier, and then even earlier again in 24/25 and then have a proper winter season from 2025 onwards.

You are entirely better off ripping off the bandaid and going fully winter. Align the season with Jleague, Kleague and the MLS.

This league needs to stop trying to be something its not, at the detriment of something it could be
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Monoethnic Social Club - 17 Feb 2023 1:58 PM
ErogenousZone - 17 Feb 2023 1:53 PM

Exactly..... Just like his 3 month Youth League res-erection idea..... its all reactionary stuff to stop this "rival" league at any cost.... Good news is that the more noise they make the more fear they must have of it succeeding :)

To be fair the NYL existed pre COVID. 
And there has been a big push by the club's to get it reinstated. 
To give the younger player a full 12 calendar of football. 
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Butler99 - 17 Feb 2023 4:42 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 17 Feb 2023 1:58 PM

To be fair the NYL existed pre COVID. 
And there has been a big push by the club's to get it reinstated. 
To give the younger player a full 12 calendar of football. 

At the clubs request the NYL was cut back from an 18 round competition with a finals series to an 8 round conference style competition with a grand final 4 years before covid stopped it.  The reason for cutting it back was twofold.  The first was to reduce travelling costs and the second was that it wasn't needed now the clubs had teams in the NPL.  After covid the APL decided to defer restarting it.  The only push to restart it now appears to have come since the EOI for the winter season NST was announced.  One wonders why there was a change of mind.
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Flytox - 17 Feb 2023 5:28 PM
Butler99 - 17 Feb 2023 4:42 PM

At the clubs request the NYL was cut back from an 18 round competition with a finals series to an 8 round conference style competition with a grand final 4 years before covid stopped it.  The reason for cutting it back was twofold.  The first was to reduce travelling costs and the second was that it wasn't needed now the clubs had teams in the NPL.  After covid the APL decided to defer restarting it.  The only push to restart it now appears to have come since the EOI for the winter season NST was announced.  One wonders why there was a change of mind.

Incorrect. 
There has definitely been a push for it from the club's. 
Especially the football departments.  
Players that don't play need the game time and the youth players need the extra games in the NYL. 

This has occurred since normality has resumed and the COVID stupidity has finally ended. 
But it was too soon and still some uncertainty for it to be implemented for 22/23 season.  

But yes. The 22-30 NPL games they get plus 8-10 NYL games is ideal for the youth players. 
Internally the club's believe this is a requirement. 


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Barca4Life - 17 Feb 2023 11:27 AM
This feels like a cluster****, on one side the FA are going on with the NSD process and on the other side the APL are wanting to expand the league to 16 teams?

What about a blueprint for the future of the professional game instead? Which should include the prospect of introducing promotion and relegation with all parties working together to grow the game rather than each one doing its own thing?

This badly needs direction, but once again Australian football in a confused state with not only with a lack of direction but also it seems to be a lack of unity as well.

Maybe we should have looked at Japan and how they did the J-League pyramid, again we don't seem keen to learn from others.

It's just desparation from the AL clubs.

Facing the prospect of a second division which will in all likelyhood have a tiny fraction of the licensing fees of the AL. The license fees will probably be to cover the shared operating expenses of the league, not the utterly fictious valutation of a license nominated by the AL which is copying the MLS's ponzi scheme as well as a street vendor's Rollex.

This is their last gasp attempt to suck out whatever latent investment is around before they have a choice with the extremely high cost AL and the low buy in NSD.

Anyone with that sort of play money isn't going to scare themselves into paying 30 million to meet AL's deadline. Boiler room bullshit.
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bohemia - 17 Feb 2023 11:49 PM
Barca4Life - 17 Feb 2023 11:27 AM

It's just desparation from the AL clubs.

Facing the prospect of a second division which will in all likelyhood have a tiny fraction of the licensing fees of the AL. The license fees will probably be to cover the shared operating expenses of the league, not the utterly fictious valutation of a license nominated by the AL which is copying the MLS's ponzi scheme as well as a street vendor's Rollex.

This is their last gasp attempt to suck out whatever latent investment is around before they have a choice with the extremely high cost AL and the low buy in NSD.

Anyone with that sort of play money isn't going to scare themselves into paying 30 million to meet AL's deadline. Boiler room bullshit.

I believe that the NSD (NST) will become the top tier within 5 years as A league franchises fold or opt to join the less costly league.
Then the re alignment of the pyramid will begin in earnest.


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Ideal league is 20 teams
38 weeks

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numklpkgulftumch - 18 Feb 2023 8:33 PM
Ideal league is 20 teams
38 weeks

...and no finals series.


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TheDjentleman - 20 Feb 2023 9:43 AM
numklpkgulftumch - 18 Feb 2023 8:33 PM

...and no finals series.

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bohemia - 17 Feb 2023 11:49 PM

I believe that the NSD (NST) will become the top tier within 5 years as A league franchises fold or opt to join the less costly league.
Then the re alignment of the pyramid will begin in earnest.



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in the current environment we already have too many teams. 10 a-league teams would be sufficient keeping the standard of football as high as possible. A further 10 in NSD. Numbers could be increased once both league become sustainable and the talent pool of players increases.


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simione001 - 20 Feb 2023 10:16 AM
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numklpkgulftumch - 18 Feb 2023 8:33 PM

in the current environment we already have too many teams. 10 a-league teams would be sufficient keeping the standard of football as high as possible. A further 10 in NSD. Numbers could be increased once both league become sustainable and the talent pool of players increases.


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simione001 - 20 Feb 2023 10:16 AM
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in the current environment we already have too many teams. 10 a-league teams would be sufficient keeping the standard of football as high as possible. A further 10 in NSD. Numbers could be increased once both league become sustainable and the talent pool of players increases.


Can't agree with this. I'm a big believer in there are hundreds of guns that could play at A League standard if given a full time environment in football.

You try going to work as a carpenter or plumber 5 days a week and then turn up to training 3 nights a week. You're hardly going to be at your best are you?


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Munrubenmuz - 20 Feb 2023 10:27 AM
simione001 - 20 Feb 2023 10:16 AM

Can't agree with this. I'm a big believer in there are hundreds of guns that could play at A League standard if given a full time environment in football.

You try going to work as a carpenter or plumber 5 days a week and then turn up to training 3 nights a week. You're hardly going to be at your best are you?

Agreed. Professionalism will naturally change the power gap which has over-time, narrowed significantly.

Whether clubs can sustain it by developing their own talent instead of tanking for draft picks is a different story.


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Munrubenmuz - 20 Feb 2023 10:27 AM
simione001 - 20 Feb 2023 10:16 AM

Can't agree with this. I'm a big believer in there are hundreds of guns that could play at A League standard if given a full time environment in football.

You try going to work as a carpenter or plumber 5 days a week and then turn up to training 3 nights a week. You're hardly going to be at your best are you?

and that's why we need a NSD, not more a-league teams. those players need to be developed. you cant got from 0-100 instantly. the clubs also need to develop the resources to make that happen. the clubs need to be sustainable and profitable for that to be possible. that will never happen the way things are. if you add more teams, the quality of the league will eventually stall or go backwards (or not exist at all).

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simione001 - 20 Feb 2023 1:12 PM
Munrubenmuz - 20 Feb 2023 10:27 AM

and that's why we need a NSD, not more a-league teams. those players need to be developed. you cant got from 0-100 instantly. the clubs also need to develop the resources to make that happen. the clubs need to be sustainable and profitable for that to be possible. that will never happen the way things are. if you add more teams, the quality of the league will eventually stall or go backwards (or not exist at all).

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Munrubenmuz - 20 Feb 2023 10:27 AM

Agreed. Professionalism will naturally change the power gap which has over-time, narrowed significantly.

Whether clubs can sustain it by developing their own talent instead of tanking for draft picks is a different story.

Does Aleague have a "draft" like NFL and AFL? Serious question, is there any benefit to an A league club finishing the regular season last? Do they get a salary cap boost or something?


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Munrubenmuz - 20 Feb 2023 10:27 AM
simione001 - 20 Feb 2023 10:16 AM

Can't agree with this. I'm a big believer in there are hundreds of guns that could play at A League standard if given a full time environment in football.

You try going to work as a carpenter or plumber 5 days a week and then turn up to training 3 nights a week. You're hardly going to be at your best are you?

Yup, pretty much this.... Its why half decent NPL talent is forced to go overseas to often shittier leagues than the Aleague like the IPL..

If they could be full time pro they wouldn't leave our shores.

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Monoethnic Social Club - 20 Feb 2023 1:59 PM
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TheDjentleman - 20 Feb 2023 12:08 PM

Does Aleague have a "draft" like NFL and AFL? Serious question, is there any benefit to an A league club finishing the regular season last? Do they get a salary cap boost or something?


No, the Draft is for mono-culture sports.

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TheDjentleman - 20 Feb 2023 12:08 PM

Does Aleague have a "draft" like NFL and AFL? Serious question, is there any benefit to an A league club finishing the regular season last? Do they get a salary cap boost or something?


No. Just a big fat no. 
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I was referring that franchises that are expansions get their hand-held by a draft system unlike our code if they initially suffer from lack of talent. e.g. Gold Coast and GWS getting thumped for their first decade-or-so of existence.

And yes I was a massive djent kid when I made this account when I was 12. Mummy and daddy should have regulated my internet access and now I play in a post-black metal band and follow football. God help me.

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TheDjentleman - 20 Feb 2023 3:51 PM

And yes I was a massive djent kid when I made this account when I was 12. Mummy and daddy should have regulated my internet access and now I play in a post-black metal band and follow football. God help me.

Easy on the sarcasm fella, it was just a joke.
I'm a guitarist myself and played in bands. Maybe not post-black metal but still.

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libelous - 18 Feb 2023 5:54 PM

I believe that the NSD (NST) will become the top tier within 5 years as A league franchises fold or opt to join the less costly league.
Then the re alignment of the pyramid will begin in earnest.


I can’t believe I am saying this, but I reckon this is totally plausible. Not because franchises will fold, but because the destruction caused by the APL might push teams to leave.

One of the first things that crossed my mind when the APL announced the Sydney GF decision was wonder whether Victory would consider joining the NSD in protest. While unlikely, you can’t totally rule out yet. It may depend on who runs the NSD. We all assume FA will run it initially... but will they transfer power to the APL over time?


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TheDjentleman - 20 Feb 2023 3:51 PM
I was referring that franchises that are expansions get their hand-held by a draft system unlike our code if they initially suffer from lack of talent. e.g. Gold Coast and GWS getting thumped for their first decade-or-so of existence.

And yes I was a massive djent kid when I made this account when I was 12. Mummy and daddy should have regulated my internet access and now I play in a post-black metal band and follow football. God help me.

The only helping hand the new A-League clubs received was an extra $500k in the salary cap for their first two seasons. This is to compensate for the cap exemptions and banking that the other clubs may have (eg Loyalty exemptions and Homegrown youth exemptions).
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TheDjentleman - 20 Feb 2023 3:51 PM

The only helping hand the new A-League clubs received was an extra $500k in the salary cap for their first two seasons. This is to compensate for the cap exemptions and banking that the other clubs may have (eg Loyalty exemptions and Homegrown youth exemptions).

Didn't WSW get extra imports as well?

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ROFL

The hysteria coupled with the wishfull think in this thread is so funny.
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libelous - 18 Feb 2023 5:54 PM

I can’t believe I am saying this, but I reckon this is totally plausible. Not because franchises will fold, but because the destruction caused by the APL might push teams to leave.

One of the first things that crossed my mind when the APL announced the Sydney GF decision was wonder whether Victory would consider joining the NSD in protest. While unlikely, you can’t totally rule out yet. It may depend on who runs the NSD. We all assume FA will run it initially... but will they transfer power to the APL over time?


I think it would be handed over to the APL if all the clubs were totally professional.
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Gold Coast Knights submitted an expression of interest for the NSD...Reddit.
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