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+x+xThese last two teams have been hopeless People saying 'Asia is improving' are kidding themselves. Japan wiped the floor with Bahrain, 3rd rate Euro sides look like world beaters at the Euros compared to these sorts of teams. If Asia is getting better then the rest of the world is getting unstoppable and we are getting worse. Maybe Arnie can bring back in redmayne and grant to sure everything up - or take the boys there out now for a couple of beers, get some real team bonding going on. :crazy: Agree to an extent. Asia is improving, the likes of Japan, (i think poised to take next step up, just need a couple of real quality players), Sth Korea & Iran are very strong, they would be very competitive against good quality Euro sides, not the elite level, maybe only Japan. Qatar, Vietnam, Thailand & UAE have all improved but not the extent to trouble Australia just yet. However, we should be wiping the floor with the likes of Bahrain & Indonesia, this is just diabolical. Japan have always been excellent footballers though, just lacked some edge.
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Arnold said. “Look, I can only do so much, I can’t play the game for them. And at the end of the day, we should have beaten Bahrain – we missed chances – and today we should have won comfortably and we missed chances. So I’m as disappointed probably as every other Australian is.”
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+x+x+x+xArnold is contracted "through to the conclusion of the 2026 World Cup campaign". So, if we don't even qualify, our WC campaign would be over and Arnold would be out. That's how I choose to understand it :) If they sack him earlier, it's just under two years to pay out. And he ain't on chicken feed. You understand the implications (cost and exposure) of not qualifying don't you? You know what huddo, maybe thats what the people here need incl supporters who carry on quoting badge of honour making WC since 06 saying this with heavy heart. Making up the numbers and don't bring in Qatar that was a jag and half imo. its obvious what a huge hit it would be financially/internally/outlook and the hurt we as supporters would go through - in saying that maybe thats what we more so the FA deserve living off the back of the financial pay out (on top of over paying GA) covering Roos/Matilda outlook but never doing anything much about the games structure and competitons/developments thats meant to feed the top in the first place........ Its absolutely gutting seeing whats (NOT) been going on - we should have been progressing long ago you'd think - you reap what you sew as they say. This whole Australian bubble we're in, old NSL vs AL - the lack of development foresight, broken down 20yrs ago, lack of unity amongst the governing bodies, the recent separation APL/FA, we deserve the biggest kick in the arse period as much as it pains me to say for the buck stops with the FA. All the above contributes where we are and GA, << he's gutted and can only do the way he sees it but it's not working for us, Ange must be putting his head down and going same ol same ol bloody australian football has its head in the sand as usual. GA is a issue And for me also players, I question their quality/ability/menatality though you'd expect good enough to beat Bahrain/Indo all due respect to them we are ordinary and thats GA's game but its the players responsibilty as well.. TSF - we are going backwards !!!!!!!!! Then I see wait till the next gen Olyroos come to be, yer yer seen this talk since 20yrs ago and ongoing. See to me it's the coaching LFC. You bring up WC 2006, the golden generation, I still remember how terrible they were in the Frank Farina era before Guus & how terrible the GG were in Asian Cup 2007 under Arnold again. We have the players, maybe not to beat the top teams, but we have the players to beat Bahrain & Indonesia. You don't have to Einstein to know the best we have played in the last 30 years have been WC1998 campaign under Terry Venables, WC2006, the pinnacle, we did have 2 real superstars then in Kewell & Dukes & Ange's 2015 Asian cup teams, they played the best football. These have been when we have a quality coach who picks & allows a team to play. Why Arnold picked a team that suited playing Spain, with just runners & no creativity, because against Spain we would have only 20% of the ball, against Bahrain, where they sat back & we had 75% of the ball with no creative players (Goodwin apart). This is down to coaching. robbos I hear you and I've mentioned GA a couple of times in my previous post. Putting GA aside and the dross line ups and game plans, when I mentioned players at fault when in the game like last night. Barring young Irakunda's out o the box stike that hit the post and a couple of other shady attempts why wasn't there anyone else having more goes from range for put it this way, trying to play into the box for a tap in as they keep doing today we lack any decent half having a go and snagging that unexpected goal. Mabil, ffs can't shoot for peanuts, at least Goodwin gets himself in place to have a go shame his 1v1 with the GK didn't come off - who else shows some selfish nouse and at least makes the GK make a save in games of late ? fuck what Arnie says not every player is a robot but it seems we have them :) Yep coaching, seems every player is brain washed, it doesn't compute.
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+x+x+x+x+xArnold is contracted "through to the conclusion of the 2026 World Cup campaign". So, if we don't even qualify, our WC campaign would be over and Arnold would be out. That's how I choose to understand it :) If they sack him earlier, it's just under two years to pay out. And he ain't on chicken feed. You understand the implications (cost and exposure) of not qualifying don't you? You know what huddo, maybe thats what the people here need incl supporters who carry on quoting badge of honour making WC since 06 saying this with heavy heart. Making up the numbers and don't bring in Qatar that was a jag and half imo. its obvious what a huge hit it would be financially/internally/outlook and the hurt we as supporters would go through - in saying that maybe thats what we more so the FA deserve living off the back of the financial pay out (on top of over paying GA) covering Roos/Matilda outlook but never doing anything much about the games structure and competitons/developments thats meant to feed the top in the first place........ Its absolutely gutting seeing whats (NOT) been going on - we should have been progressing long ago you'd think - you reap what you sew as they say. This whole Australian bubble we're in, old NSL vs AL - the lack of development foresight, broken down 20yrs ago, lack of unity amongst the governing bodies, the recent separation APL/FA, we deserve the biggest kick in the arse period as much as it pains me to say for the buck stops with the FA. All the above contributes where we are and GA, << he's gutted and can only do the way he sees it but it's not working for us, Ange must be putting his head down and going same ol same ol bloody australian football has its head in the sand as usual. GA is a issue And for me also players, I question their quality/ability/menatality though you'd expect good enough to beat Bahrain/Indo all due respect to them we are ordinary and thats GA's game but its the players responsibilty as well.. TSF - we are going backwards !!!!!!!!! Then I see wait till the next gen Olyroos come to be, yer yer seen this talk since 20yrs ago and ongoing. See to me it's the coaching LFC. You bring up WC 2006, the golden generation, I still remember how terrible they were in the Frank Farina era before Guus & how terrible the GG were in Asian Cup 2007 under Arnold again. We have the players, maybe not to beat the top teams, but we have the players to beat Bahrain & Indonesia. You don't have to Einstein to know the best we have played in the last 30 years have been WC1998 campaign under Terry Venables, WC2006, the pinnacle, we did have 2 real superstars then in Kewell & Dukes & Ange's 2015 Asian cup teams, they played the best football. These have been when we have a quality coach who picks & allows a team to play. Why Arnold picked a team that suited playing Spain, with just runners & no creativity, because against Spain we would have only 20% of the ball, against Bahrain, where they sat back & we had 75% of the ball with no creative players (Goodwin apart). This is down to coaching. robbos I hear you and I've mentioned GA a couple of times in my previous post. Putting GA aside and the dross line ups and game plans, when I mentioned players at fault when in the game like last night. Barring young Irakunda's out o the box stike that hit the post and a couple of other shady attempts why wasn't there anyone else having more goes from range for put it this way, trying to play into the box for a tap in as they keep doing today we lack any decent half having a go and snagging that unexpected goal. Mabil, ffs can't shoot for peanuts, at least Goodwin gets himself in place to have a go shame his 1v1 with the GK didn't come off - who else shows some selfish nouse and at least makes the GK make a save in games of late ? fuck what Arnie says not every player is a robot but it seems we have them :) Yep coaching, seems every player is brain washed, it doesn't compute. LFC, like I said I saw some very droid performances from our GG, playing for Farina & Arnie, & Holger, while they were playing in the PL, why? Likewise both Metcalf & Irvine are currently starting for the Bundesliga side, Ciraciti is in Serie A, you mentioned Mabil, he has had a pretty decent European career, even playing in Laliga, so he can play, O'Neill is captain of his Belgium top division side . So why suddenly so poor for Aussies? I ask this question. You question the pedigree of some of these Aussies, but we have some playing at high levels in Europe, why can't they beat Indonesia & Bahrain, this is the question. We have players in the PL, Serie A & Bundesliga (apart from Metcalf & Irvine, we have Irakunda joining the Champions league squad of Bayern Munich) & some others at other quality European sides, how come we can't beat Indonesia & Bahrain? THIS IS THE QUESTION everyone should be asking. This is not Japan or even Sth Korea.
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+x+x+xThese last two teams have been hopeless People saying 'Asia is improving' are kidding themselves. Japan wiped the floor with Bahrain, 3rd rate Euro sides look like world beaters at the Euros compared to these sorts of teams. If Asia is getting better then the rest of the world is getting unstoppable and we are getting worse. Maybe Arnie can bring back in redmayne and grant to sure everything up - or take the boys there out now for a couple of beers, get some real team bonding going on. :crazy: Agree to an extent. Asia is improving, the likes of Japan, (i think poised to take next step up, just need a couple of real quality players), Sth Korea & Iran are very strong, they would be very competitive against good quality Euro sides, not the elite level, maybe only Japan. Qatar, Vietnam, Thailand & UAE have all improved but not the extent to trouble Australia just yet. However, we should be wiping the floor with the likes of Bahrain & Indonesia, this is just diabolical. Japan have always been excellent footballers though, just lacked some edge. Not really "always" Maybe only in last 25 years or so have they improved significantly. And gone beyond what we are.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xArnold is contracted "through to the conclusion of the 2026 World Cup campaign". So, if we don't even qualify, our WC campaign would be over and Arnold would be out. That's how I choose to understand it :) If they sack him earlier, it's just under two years to pay out. And he ain't on chicken feed. You understand the implications (cost and exposure) of not qualifying don't you? You know what huddo, maybe thats what the people here need incl supporters who carry on quoting badge of honour making WC since 06 saying this with heavy heart. Making up the numbers and don't bring in Qatar that was a jag and half imo. its obvious what a huge hit it would be financially/internally/outlook and the hurt we as supporters would go through - in saying that maybe thats what we more so the FA deserve living off the back of the financial pay out (on top of over paying GA) covering Roos/Matilda outlook but never doing anything much about the games structure and competitons/developments thats meant to feed the top in the first place........ Its absolutely gutting seeing whats (NOT) been going on - we should have been progressing long ago you'd think - you reap what you sew as they say. This whole Australian bubble we're in, old NSL vs AL - the lack of development foresight, broken down 20yrs ago, lack of unity amongst the governing bodies, the recent separation APL/FA, we deserve the biggest kick in the arse period as much as it pains me to say for the buck stops with the FA. All the above contributes where we are and GA, << he's gutted and can only do the way he sees it but it's not working for us, Ange must be putting his head down and going same ol same ol bloody australian football has its head in the sand as usual. GA is a issue And for me also players, I question their quality/ability/menatality though you'd expect good enough to beat Bahrain/Indo all due respect to them we are ordinary and thats GA's game but its the players responsibilty as well.. TSF - we are going backwards !!!!!!!!! Then I see wait till the next gen Olyroos come to be, yer yer seen this talk since 20yrs ago and ongoing. See to me it's the coaching LFC. You bring up WC 2006, the golden generation, I still remember how terrible they were in the Frank Farina era before Guus & how terrible the GG were in Asian Cup 2007 under Arnold again. We have the players, maybe not to beat the top teams, but we have the players to beat Bahrain & Indonesia. You don't have to Einstein to know the best we have played in the last 30 years have been WC1998 campaign under Terry Venables, WC2006, the pinnacle, we did have 2 real superstars then in Kewell & Dukes & Ange's 2015 Asian cup teams, they played the best football. These have been when we have a quality coach who picks & allows a team to play. Why Arnold picked a team that suited playing Spain, with just runners & no creativity, because against Spain we would have only 20% of the ball, against Bahrain, where they sat back & we had 75% of the ball with no creative players (Goodwin apart). This is down to coaching. robbos I hear you and I've mentioned GA a couple of times in my previous post. Putting GA aside and the dross line ups and game plans, when I mentioned players at fault when in the game like last night. Barring young Irakunda's out o the box stike that hit the post and a couple of other shady attempts why wasn't there anyone else having more goes from range for put it this way, trying to play into the box for a tap in as they keep doing today we lack any decent half having a go and snagging that unexpected goal. Mabil, ffs can't shoot for peanuts, at least Goodwin gets himself in place to have a go shame his 1v1 with the GK didn't come off - who else shows some selfish nouse and at least makes the GK make a save in games of late ? fuck what Arnie says not every player is a robot but it seems we have them :) Yep coaching, seems every player is brain washed, it doesn't compute. LFC, like I said I saw some very droid performances from our GG, playing for Farina & Arnie, & Holger, while they were playing in the PL, why? Likewise both Metcalf & Irvine are currently starting for the Bundesliga side, Ciraciti is in Serie A, you mentioned Mabil, he has had a pretty decent European career, even playing in Laliga, so he can play, O'Neill is captain of his Belgium top division side . So why suddenly so poor for Aussies? I ask this question. You question the pedigree of some of these Aussies, but we have some playing at high levels in Europe, why can't they beat Indonesia & Bahrain, this is the question. We have players in the PL, Serie A & Bundesliga (apart from Metcalf & Irvine, we have Irakunda joining the Champions league squad of Bayern Munich) & some others at other quality European sides, how come we can't beat Indonesia & Bahrain? THIS IS THE QUESTION everyone should be asking. This is not Japan or even Sth Korea. every single NT goes through highs and lows as we know thats a given..... Young Ciraciti is showing class better than seasoned players such as Irvine imo. Learning but he's one of our rare shinning lights. Nah Mabil is not much no matter his career, not many NT games I can say he owned it after all this time through my eyes. Been a decline for years, GA is part of the decline and I've said Qatar was a jag that camouflaged what was lying beneath as well, again a jag for look what followed in the Asian Cup, it was all there long before. I've mentioned putting aside GA's instructions, comparing players to players last night my question is WHY didn't many of our own OWN their opponent ? Its not just about GA instructions its also about man for man on the park who do you beat first up, your opposite your contesting with. Determination beating your man, first to the ball, reading his play, thats in your mental normal aggressive competitive nature no ? Are we accepting GA has got so much in these guys head they have lost the plot in fear of not sticking to the game plan. Come on and I agree HTF we can't win the last 2 games, TBH I'm not surprised, we've seen in the past way back as well games we should have won but today is a whole new ball game with so much intel/vid play backs you name it what the opponent ate for brekky. Where was the player that went fuck it, dribbled through and slammed in a cracker of a bullet out of the blue, where's the outlier. Marvelling of Nisbet - hey he's got the touch no doubt about it but how hard was it to stand out through his 25min cameo ? not hard amongst the total dross. Unfortunately he couldn't create a pass behind their crowded deep line maybe another day. My judgement of him will be after 3/4 games against better opposition for one Japan, then I'll pat him on the back or otherwise. Bahrain ranked 80 Indo 133 Last nights game one for the ages eh :)
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Think the dressing room is already lost or at least a good portion of players are not responding well at all.
Lot's and lot's of very visible frustration throughout both games. I don't think a single minute went by at any point without one player throwing up their hands or yelling out against a fellow teammate. Something is rotten.
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+x+x+x+xThese last two teams have been hopeless People saying 'Asia is improving' are kidding themselves. Japan wiped the floor with Bahrain, 3rd rate Euro sides look like world beaters at the Euros compared to these sorts of teams. If Asia is getting better then the rest of the world is getting unstoppable and we are getting worse. Maybe Arnie can bring back in redmayne and grant to sure everything up - or take the boys there out now for a couple of beers, get some real team bonding going on. :crazy: Agree to an extent. Asia is improving, the likes of Japan, (i think poised to take next step up, just need a couple of real quality players), Sth Korea & Iran are very strong, they would be very competitive against good quality Euro sides, not the elite level, maybe only Japan. Qatar, Vietnam, Thailand & UAE have all improved but not the extent to trouble Australia just yet. However, we should be wiping the floor with the likes of Bahrain & Indonesia, this is just diabolical. Japan have always been excellent footballers though, just lacked some edge. Not really "always" Maybe only in last 25 years or so have they improved significantly. And gone beyond what we are. Ok, well they were not 15,000 years ago, but in modern times they've been good.
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There was alot of frustration last 2 games something not right players don't look on the same page.
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+x+x+x+xArnold is contracted "through to the conclusion of the 2026 World Cup campaign". So, if we don't even qualify, our WC campaign would be over and Arnold would be out. That's how I choose to understand it :) If they sack him earlier, it's just under two years to pay out. And he ain't on chicken feed. You understand the implications (cost and exposure) of not qualifying don't you? You know what huddo, maybe thats what the people here need incl supporters who carry on quoting badge of honour making WC since 06 saying this with heavy heart. Making up the numbers and don't bring in Qatar that was a jag and half imo. its obvious what a huge hit it would be financially/internally/outlook and the hurt we as supporters would go through - in saying that maybe thats what we more so the FA deserve living off the back of the financial pay out (on top of over paying GA) covering Roos/Matilda outlook but never doing anything much about the games structure and competitons/developments thats meant to feed the top in the first place........ Its absolutely gutting seeing whats (NOT) been going on - we should have been progressing long ago you'd think - you reap what you sew as they say. This whole Australian bubble we're in, old NSL vs AL - the lack of development foresight, broken down 20yrs ago, lack of unity amongst the governing bodies, the recent separation APL/FA, we deserve the biggest kick in the arse period as much as it pains me to say for the buck stops with the FA. All the above contributes where we are and GA, << he's gutted and can only do the way he sees it but it's not working for us, Ange must be putting his head down and going same ol same ol bloody australian football has its head in the sand as usual. GA is a issue And for me also players, I question their quality/ability/menatality though you'd expect good enough to beat Bahrain/Indo all due respect to them we are ordinary and thats GA's game but its the players responsibilty as well.. TSF - we are going backwards !!!!!!!!! Then I see wait till the next gen Olyroos come to be, yer yer seen this talk since 20yrs ago and ongoing. You bring up WC 2006, the golden generation, I still remember how terrible they were in the Frank Farina era before Guus & how terrible the GG were in Asian Cup 2007 under Arnold again. I dunno 2001 confeds cup was big achievement... the football wasnt that great but we got good results but we had players who could actually play good football lol
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+xThese last two teams have been hopeless People saying 'Asia is improving' are kidding themselves. Japan wiped the floor with Bahrain, 3rd rate Euro sides look like world beaters at the Euros compared to these sorts of teams. If Asia is getting better then the rest of the world is getting unstoppable and we are getting worse. Maybe Arnie can bring back in redmayne and grant to sure everything up - or take the boys there out now for a couple of beers, get some real team bonding going on. :crazy: I agree with this. There is no evidence Asia is improving. Japan has been steadily improving over a period of 35 years but the rest of Asia its just situation normal. Australia however is going backwards at an alarming rate.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xArnold is contracted "through to the conclusion of the 2026 World Cup campaign". So, if we don't even qualify, our WC campaign would be over and Arnold would be out. That's how I choose to understand it :) If they sack him earlier, it's just under two years to pay out. And he ain't on chicken feed. You understand the implications (cost and exposure) of not qualifying don't you? You know what huddo, maybe thats what the people here need incl supporters who carry on quoting badge of honour making WC since 06 saying this with heavy heart. Making up the numbers and don't bring in Qatar that was a jag and half imo. its obvious what a huge hit it would be financially/internally/outlook and the hurt we as supporters would go through - in saying that maybe thats what we more so the FA deserve living off the back of the financial pay out (on top of over paying GA) covering Roos/Matilda outlook but never doing anything much about the games structure and competitons/developments thats meant to feed the top in the first place........ Its absolutely gutting seeing whats (NOT) been going on - we should have been progressing long ago you'd think - you reap what you sew as they say. This whole Australian bubble we're in, old NSL vs AL - the lack of development foresight, broken down 20yrs ago, lack of unity amongst the governing bodies, the recent separation APL/FA, we deserve the biggest kick in the arse period as much as it pains me to say for the buck stops with the FA. All the above contributes where we are and GA, << he's gutted and can only do the way he sees it but it's not working for us, Ange must be putting his head down and going same ol same ol bloody australian football has its head in the sand as usual. GA is a issue And for me also players, I question their quality/ability/menatality though you'd expect good enough to beat Bahrain/Indo all due respect to them we are ordinary and thats GA's game but its the players responsibilty as well.. TSF - we are going backwards !!!!!!!!! Then I see wait till the next gen Olyroos come to be, yer yer seen this talk since 20yrs ago and ongoing. See to me it's the coaching LFC. You bring up WC 2006, the golden generation, I still remember how terrible they were in the Frank Farina era before Guus & how terrible the GG were in Asian Cup 2007 under Arnold again. We have the players, maybe not to beat the top teams, but we have the players to beat Bahrain & Indonesia. You don't have to Einstein to know the best we have played in the last 30 years have been WC1998 campaign under Terry Venables, WC2006, the pinnacle, we did have 2 real superstars then in Kewell & Dukes & Ange's 2015 Asian cup teams, they played the best football. These have been when we have a quality coach who picks & allows a team to play. Why Arnold picked a team that suited playing Spain, with just runners & no creativity, because against Spain we would have only 20% of the ball, against Bahrain, where they sat back & we had 75% of the ball with no creative players (Goodwin apart). This is down to coaching. robbos I hear you and I've mentioned GA a couple of times in my previous post. Putting GA aside and the dross line ups and game plans, when I mentioned players at fault when in the game like last night. Barring young Irakunda's out o the box stike that hit the post and a couple of other shady attempts why wasn't there anyone else having more goes from range for put it this way, trying to play into the box for a tap in as they keep doing today we lack any decent half having a go and snagging that unexpected goal. Mabil, ffs can't shoot for peanuts, at least Goodwin gets himself in place to have a go shame his 1v1 with the GK didn't come off - who else shows some selfish nouse and at least makes the GK make a save in games of late ? fuck what Arnie says not every player is a robot but it seems we have them :) Yep coaching, seems every player is brain washed, it doesn't compute. LFC, like I said I saw some very droid performances from our GG, playing for Farina & Arnie, & Holger, while they were playing in the PL, why? Likewise both Metcalf & Irvine are currently starting for the Bundesliga side, Ciraciti is in Serie A, you mentioned Mabil, he has had a pretty decent European career, even playing in Laliga, so he can play, O'Neill is captain of his Belgium top division side . So why suddenly so poor for Aussies? I ask this question. You question the pedigree of some of these Aussies, but we have some playing at high levels in Europe, why can't they beat Indonesia & Bahrain, this is the question. We have players in the PL, Serie A & Bundesliga (apart from Metcalf & Irvine, we have Irakunda joining the Champions league squad of Bayern Munich) & some others at other quality European sides, how come we can't beat Indonesia & Bahrain? THIS IS THE QUESTION everyone should be asking. This is not Japan or even Sth Korea. every single NT goes through highs and lows as we know thats a given..... Young Ciraciti is showing class better than seasoned players such as Irvine imo. Learning but he's one of our rare shinning lights. Nah Mabil is not much no matter his career, not many NT games I can say he owned it after all this time through my eyes. Been a decline for years, GA is part of the decline and I've said Qatar was a jag that camouflaged what was lying beneath as well, again a jag for look what followed in the Asian Cup, it was all there long before. I've mentioned putting aside GA's instructions, comparing players to players last night my question is WHY didn't many of our own OWN their opponent ? Its not just about GA instructions its also about man for man on the park who do you beat first up, your opposite your contesting with. Determination beating your man, first to the ball, reading his play, thats in your mental normal aggressive competitive nature no ? Are we accepting GA has got so much in these guys head they have lost the plot in fear of not sticking to the game plan. Come on and I agree HTF we can't win the last 2 games, TBH I'm not surprised, we've seen in the past way back as well games we should have won but today is a whole new ball game with so much intel/vid play backs you name it what the opponent ate for brekky. Where was the player that went fuck it, dribbled through and slammed in a cracker of a bullet out of the blue, where's the outlier. Marvelling of Nisbet - hey he's got the touch no doubt about it but how hard was it to stand out through his 25min cameo ? not hard amongst the total dross.
Unfortunately he couldn't create a pass behind their crowded deep line maybe another day.
My judgement of him will be after 3/4 games against better opposition for one Japan, then I'll pat him on the back or otherwise.Bahrain ranked 80 Indo 133 Last nights game one for the ages eh :) Nizz made things happen when he came on. Suddenly there was pace and liveliness and passes going to feet in the final third. Unfortunately Irankunda had already been taken off so there was no-one useful for Nizz to find.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xArnold is contracted "through to the conclusion of the 2026 World Cup campaign". So, if we don't even qualify, our WC campaign would be over and Arnold would be out. That's how I choose to understand it :) If they sack him earlier, it's just under two years to pay out. And he ain't on chicken feed. You understand the implications (cost and exposure) of not qualifying don't you? You know what huddo, maybe thats what the people here need incl supporters who carry on quoting badge of honour making WC since 06 saying this with heavy heart. Making up the numbers and don't bring in Qatar that was a jag and half imo. its obvious what a huge hit it would be financially/internally/outlook and the hurt we as supporters would go through - in saying that maybe thats what we more so the FA deserve living off the back of the financial pay out (on top of over paying GA) covering Roos/Matilda outlook but never doing anything much about the games structure and competitons/developments thats meant to feed the top in the first place........ Its absolutely gutting seeing whats (NOT) been going on - we should have been progressing long ago you'd think - you reap what you sew as they say. This whole Australian bubble we're in, old NSL vs AL - the lack of development foresight, broken down 20yrs ago, lack of unity amongst the governing bodies, the recent separation APL/FA, we deserve the biggest kick in the arse period as much as it pains me to say for the buck stops with the FA. All the above contributes where we are and GA, << he's gutted and can only do the way he sees it but it's not working for us, Ange must be putting his head down and going same ol same ol bloody australian football has its head in the sand as usual. GA is a issue And for me also players, I question their quality/ability/menatality though you'd expect good enough to beat Bahrain/Indo all due respect to them we are ordinary and thats GA's game but its the players responsibilty as well.. TSF - we are going backwards !!!!!!!!! Then I see wait till the next gen Olyroos come to be, yer yer seen this talk since 20yrs ago and ongoing. See to me it's the coaching LFC. You bring up WC 2006, the golden generation, I still remember how terrible they were in the Frank Farina era before Guus & how terrible the GG were in Asian Cup 2007 under Arnold again. We have the players, maybe not to beat the top teams, but we have the players to beat Bahrain & Indonesia. You don't have to Einstein to know the best we have played in the last 30 years have been WC1998 campaign under Terry Venables, WC2006, the pinnacle, we did have 2 real superstars then in Kewell & Dukes & Ange's 2015 Asian cup teams, they played the best football. These have been when we have a quality coach who picks & allows a team to play. Why Arnold picked a team that suited playing Spain, with just runners & no creativity, because against Spain we would have only 20% of the ball, against Bahrain, where they sat back & we had 75% of the ball with no creative players (Goodwin apart). This is down to coaching. robbos I hear you and I've mentioned GA a couple of times in my previous post. Putting GA aside and the dross line ups and game plans, when I mentioned players at fault when in the game like last night. Barring young Irakunda's out o the box stike that hit the post and a couple of other shady attempts why wasn't there anyone else having more goes from range for put it this way, trying to play into the box for a tap in as they keep doing today we lack any decent half having a go and snagging that unexpected goal. Mabil, ffs can't shoot for peanuts, at least Goodwin gets himself in place to have a go shame his 1v1 with the GK didn't come off - who else shows some selfish nouse and at least makes the GK make a save in games of late ? fuck what Arnie says not every player is a robot but it seems we have them :) Yep coaching, seems every player is brain washed, it doesn't compute. LFC, like I said I saw some very droid performances from our GG, playing for Farina & Arnie, & Holger, while they were playing in the PL, why? Likewise both Metcalf & Irvine are currently starting for the Bundesliga side, Ciraciti is in Serie A, you mentioned Mabil, he has had a pretty decent European career, even playing in Laliga, so he can play, O'Neill is captain of his Belgium top division side . So why suddenly so poor for Aussies? I ask this question. You question the pedigree of some of these Aussies, but we have some playing at high levels in Europe, why can't they beat Indonesia & Bahrain, this is the question. We have players in the PL, Serie A & Bundesliga (apart from Metcalf & Irvine, we have Irakunda joining the Champions league squad of Bayern Munich) & some others at other quality European sides, how come we can't beat Indonesia & Bahrain? THIS IS THE QUESTION everyone should be asking. This is not Japan or even Sth Korea. every single NT goes through highs and lows as we know thats a given..... Young Ciraciti is showing class better than seasoned players such as Irvine imo. Learning but he's one of our rare shinning lights. Nah Mabil is not much no matter his career, not many NT games I can say he owned it after all this time through my eyes. Been a decline for years, GA is part of the decline and I've said Qatar was a jag that camouflaged what was lying beneath as well, again a jag for look what followed in the Asian Cup, it was all there long before. I've mentioned putting aside GA's instructions, comparing players to players last night my question is WHY didn't many of our own OWN their opponent ? Its not just about GA instructions its also about man for man on the park who do you beat first up, your opposite your contesting with. Determination beating your man, first to the ball, reading his play, thats in your mental normal aggressive competitive nature no ? Are we accepting GA has got so much in these guys head they have lost the plot in fear of not sticking to the game plan. Come on and I agree HTF we can't win the last 2 games, TBH I'm not surprised, we've seen in the past way back as well games we should have won but today is a whole new ball game with so much intel/vid play backs you name it what the opponent ate for brekky. Where was the player that went fuck it, dribbled through and slammed in a cracker of a bullet out of the blue, where's the outlier. Marvelling of Nisbet - hey he's got the touch no doubt about it but how hard was it to stand out through his 25min cameo ? not hard amongst the total dross.
Unfortunately he couldn't create a pass behind their crowded deep line maybe another day.
My judgement of him will be after 3/4 games against better opposition for one Japan, then I'll pat him on the back or otherwise.Bahrain ranked 80 Indo 133 Last nights game one for the ages eh :) Nizz made things happen when he came on. Suddenly there was pace and liveliness and passes going to feet in the final third. Unfortunately Irankunda had already been taken off so there was no-one useful for Nizz to find. Like I said he has the touch and vision but I won't fap till its due unlike many, he made the movement more than his team mates to me. Yer well no Irakunda you got to work with what you got. Do we call him Iraa ? :) Nisbet or Niss - I see no z in his surname. Thanks sir I appreciate your positive posting.
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98% humidity and players were out on their feet of course a sub is going to be able to move more freely.
The happy clappers on this forum for a mediocre Ross County recruit is new levels.
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I just want the heat to go on the fa, apl and state leagues rather than arnie.
Arnie was just as successful as ange was in the a league
I remember we complained about both
Arnie also qualified past the 5th place south american team and won 2 games at the world cup, our best ever result from 6 attempts despite having a very week team
Arnie has twice broken defensive records set by pim with this team
China have a player thats gotten 100 games for espanyol, indonesia have a seri a regular and 4 eredivisie players plus others. Where does this idea comr from that we should walk through them. Every coach weve had for a world cup cycle gets blamed for our problems. But how many of our opponents have multiple leagues in a connected pyramid.
When the a league started we went from 154 positions in the national teams to 42 with 7 domestic teams and foreign players clogging up attacking positions
There was a whole decade where there were no youth teams in the a league. Why werent underage teams mandatory from the start? We had a nyl, but it was half the length of what it was in the nsl era before being scrapped entirely. We had an ais and paid jans verseijan to get us to youth world cups. But both were scrapped and we turned youth rep teams into places where ex players can learn to coach.
The end result was a a huge missing generation papered over by some good coaching by arnie and ange. But we had a league that was one of the oldest leagues in the world, and struggled in asian champions league. We are paying for some of these decisions we made 20 years ago.
We introduced academies and a ntc, and there is a bigger crop of young players getting game time in europe at a young age. But it will take till 2028 before that crop is in its prime and it will still only be a modest improvement because every other country has transitioned to small sided games and phased out ball free fitness work.
Bring in an nst, bring in a home and away nyl, have youth coaches for rep teams that have club success and youth experience, expand the a league, bring back the ais and then if we finally start producing players we can point the finger
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+x98% humidity and players were out on their feet of course a sub is going to be able to move more freely. The happy clappers on this forum for a mediocre Ross County recruit is new levels. You obviously didn’t watch much of him playing in AL last season- he was a standout. Do you even actually follow/support the AL or Socceroos?! Just looking for attention maybe?
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+xI just want the heat to go on the fa, apl and state leagues rather than arnie. Arnie was just as successful as ange was in the a league I remember we complained about both Arnie also qualified past the 5th place south american team and won 2 games at the world cup, our best ever result from 6 attempts despite having a very week team Arnie has twice broken defensive records set by pim with this team China have a player thats gotten 100 games for espanyol, indonesia have a seri a regular and 4 eredivisie players plus others. Where does this idea comr from that we should walk through them. Every coach weve had for a world cup cycle gets blamed for our problems. But how many of our opponents have multiple leagues in a connected pyramid. When the a league started we went from 154 positions in the national teams to 42 with 7 domestic teams and foreign players clogging up attacking positions There was a whole decade where there were no youth teams in the a league. Why werent underage teams mandatory from the start? We had a nyl, but it was half the length of what it was in the nsl era before being scrapped entirely. We had an ais and paid jans verseijan to get us to youth world cups. But both were scrapped and we turned youth rep teams into places where ex players can learn to coach. The end result was a a huge missing generation papered over by some good coaching by arnie and ange. But we had a league that was one of the oldest leagues in the world, and struggled in asian champions league. We are paying for some of these decisions we made 20 years ago. We introduced academies and a ntc, and there is a bigger crop of young players getting game time in europe at a young age. But it will take till 2028 before that crop is in its prime and it will still only be a modest improvement because every other country has transitioned to small sided games and phased out ball free fitness work. Bring in an nst, bring in a home and away nyl, have youth coaches for rep teams that have club success and youth experience, expand the a league, bring back the ais and then if we finally start producing players we can point the finger This is a great post & I agree with most things on here, the main thing being change is required. Ange tried to bring change, he saw the difference between the 2006 Japan national side to the 2013 national side & said we were falling behind, not so much we were falling behind, but that we weren't moving forward, Japan was. Australia outside of Kewell & Viduka, who were world class, we are not a country that produced players where our first touch was immaculate, yes some exceptions, Bresc, Skoko, Mooy, Rogic, Luongo, Okon, Zelic, Huristic but for one reason or another, none of these reach the heights of Kewell or Dukes. We had to move away from producing, tough hard professionals, funny enough Graham Arnold is one such example, good NSL career, good European career based on hard work & strong work ethic, but without the high class skill. These are the players we have been producing for yonks. We need change, forget our DNA, of hard work & physicality but focus on skill, first touch, vision & throw out nepotism & agendas.
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+xI just want the heat to go on the fa, apl and state leagues rather than arnie. Arnie was just as successful as ange was in the a league I remember we complained about both Arnie also qualified past the 5th place south american team and won 2 games at the world cup, our best ever result from 6 attempts despite having a very week team Arnie has twice broken defensive records set by pim with this team China have a player thats gotten 100 games for espanyol, indonesia have a seri a regular and 4 eredivisie players plus others. Where does this idea comr from that we should walk through them. Every coach weve had for a world cup cycle gets blamed for our problems. But how many of our opponents have multiple leagues in a connected pyramid. When the a league started we went from 154 positions in the national teams to 42 with 7 domestic teams and foreign players clogging up attacking positions There was a whole decade where there were no youth teams in the a league. Why werent underage teams mandatory from the start? We had a nyl, but it was half the length of what it was in the nsl era before being scrapped entirely. We had an ais and paid jans verseijan to get us to youth world cups. But both were scrapped and we turned youth rep teams into places where ex players can learn to coach. The end result was a a huge missing generation papered over by some good coaching by arnie and ange. But we had a league that was one of the oldest leagues in the world, and struggled in asian champions league. We are paying for some of these decisions we made 20 years ago. We introduced academies and a ntc, and there is a bigger crop of young players getting game time in europe at a young age. But it will take till 2028 before that crop is in its prime and it will still only be a modest improvement because every other country has transitioned to small sided games and phased out ball free fitness work. Bring in an nst, bring in a home and away nyl, have youth coaches for rep teams that have club success and youth experience, expand the a league, bring back the ais and then if we finally start producing players we can point the finger Be it this thread or the Arnie out thread I've quoted the biggest onus is on the FA ! and whole heartedly agree with alot mentioned. Mentioned we are in quick sand for how long ?, FA and other heads are buried under the sand. This is what we got. I recall sending a email to FA not long ago through their website and encouraged others in doing so, I'm going to again, they need to hear from supporters having a gutful re the eco system and the lack of building a better future.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5YIoRdj4gA really weak press conference. Arnold says he can't play for them. If he says that to the press, I wonder what he says in the sheds? Kimmich and others spoke out against Flick in filmed team meetings for a WC documentary that things weren't working and Flick basically shrugged and refused to change. I still wonder if we do any sort o sport psychology. We have scoring anxiety now too. Any good play yesterday was from players going off script. There were glimpses of quick counter play and initiative forward but these stupid tactics of having Irvine hang way out on the sideline and running through the line lowers our passing options in midfield.
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+xhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5YIoRdj4gA really weak press conference. Arnold says he can't play for them. If he says that to the press, I wonder what he says in the sheds? Kimmich and others spoke out against Flick in filmed team meetings for a WC documentary that things weren't working and Flick basically shrugged and refused to change. I still wonder if we do any sort o sport psychology. We have scoring anxiety now too. Any good play yesterday was from players going off script. There were glimpses of quick counter play and initiative forward but these stupid tactics of having Irvine hang way out on the sideline and running through the line lowers our passing options in midfield. So basically throwing his players under the bus? Thats pretty shit.
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In other words ‘it’s totally the players fault- none of it mine’
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+x+xhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5YIoRdj4gA really weak press conference. Arnold says he can't play for them. If he says that to the press, I wonder what he says in the sheds? Kimmich and others spoke out against Flick in filmed team meetings for a WC documentary that things weren't working and Flick basically shrugged and refused to change. I still wonder if we do any sort o sport psychology. We have scoring anxiety now too. Any good play yesterday was from players going off script. There were glimpses of quick counter play and initiative forward but these stupid tactics of having Irvine hang way out on the sideline and running through the line lowers our passing options in midfield. So basically throwing his players under the bus? Thats pretty shit. A good sign, maybe the beginning of the end.
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+x+x+xhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5YIoRdj4gA really weak press conference. Arnold says he can't play for them. If he says that to the press, I wonder what he says in the sheds? Kimmich and others spoke out against Flick in filmed team meetings for a WC documentary that things weren't working and Flick basically shrugged and refused to change. I still wonder if we do any sort o sport psychology. We have scoring anxiety now too. Any good play yesterday was from players going off script. There were glimpses of quick counter play and initiative forward but these stupid tactics of having Irvine hang way out on the sideline and running through the line lowers our passing options in midfield. So basically throwing his players under the bus? Thats pretty shit. A good sign, maybe the beginning of the end. I agree with you but still, very poor form from a manager who was all about "Aussie mateship" and "these players would break through walls for me" ....
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+x+xI just want the heat to go on the fa, apl and state leagues rather than arnie. Arnie was just as successful as ange was in the a league I remember we complained about both Arnie also qualified past the 5th place south american team and won 2 games at the world cup, our best ever result from 6 attempts despite having a very week team Arnie has twice broken defensive records set by pim with this team China have a player thats gotten 100 games for espanyol, indonesia have a seri a regular and 4 eredivisie players plus others. Where does this idea comr from that we should walk through them. Every coach weve had for a world cup cycle gets blamed for our problems. But how many of our opponents have multiple leagues in a connected pyramid. When the a league started we went from 154 positions in the national teams to 42 with 7 domestic teams and foreign players clogging up attacking positions There was a whole decade where there were no youth teams in the a league. Why werent underage teams mandatory from the start? We had a nyl, but it was half the length of what it was in the nsl era before being scrapped entirely. We had an ais and paid jans verseijan to get us to youth world cups. But both were scrapped and we turned youth rep teams into places where ex players can learn to coach. The end result was a a huge missing generation papered over by some good coaching by arnie and ange. But we had a league that was one of the oldest leagues in the world, and struggled in asian champions league. We are paying for some of these decisions we made 20 years ago. We introduced academies and a ntc, and there is a bigger crop of young players getting game time in europe at a young age. But it will take till 2028 before that crop is in its prime and it will still only be a modest improvement because every other country has transitioned to small sided games and phased out ball free fitness work. Bring in an nst, bring in a home and away nyl, have youth coaches for rep teams that have club success and youth experience, expand the a league, bring back the ais and then if we finally start producing players we can point the finger Be it this thread or the Arnie out thread I've quoted the biggest onus is on the FA ! and whole heartedly agree with alot mentioned. Mentioned we are in quick sand for how long ?, FA and other heads are buried under the sand. This is what we got. I recall sending a email to FA not long ago through their website and encouraged others in doing so, I'm going to again, they need to hear from supporters having a gutful re the eco system and the lack of building a better future. I never even get a reply from the fa. They have a lot of addresses, is one of them more responsive?
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+x+x98% humidity and players were out on their feet of course a sub is going to be able to move more freely. The happy clappers on this forum for a mediocre Ross County recruit is new levels. You obviously didn’t watch much of him playing in AL last season- he was a standout. Do you even actually follow/support the AL or Socceroos?! Just looking for attention maybe? Standing out in the A-league isn't much to write home about. We've seen quite a few 'stand out' A-league players fail dismally in relatively mediocre foreign leagues.
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+x+xhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5YIoRdj4gA really weak press conference. Arnold says he can't play for them. If he says that to the press, I wonder what he says in the sheds? Kimmich and others spoke out against Flick in filmed team meetings for a WC documentary that things weren't working and Flick basically shrugged and refused to change. I still wonder if we do any sort o sport psychology. We have scoring anxiety now too. Any good play yesterday was from players going off script. There were glimpses of quick counter play and initiative forward but these stupid tactics of having Irvine hang way out on the sideline and running through the line lowers our passing options in midfield. So basically throwing his players under the bus? Thats pretty shit. Room seems split. He's got Irvine and Behich on his side. Baccus is his favourite. Think about teams we've played on. There were always players endearing themselves to the coach agreeing with ridiculous tactics so they'd get to play while better players would disagree, quit, or change clubs. I've spoken to some professional players before about different managers they've had and there are just so many viewpoints on what and how things need to work that no wonder our squad is in this predicament now. We've become paralysed.
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+x+x+xhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5YIoRdj4gA really weak press conference. Arnold says he can't play for them. If he says that to the press, I wonder what he says in the sheds? Kimmich and others spoke out against Flick in filmed team meetings for a WC documentary that things weren't working and Flick basically shrugged and refused to change. I still wonder if we do any sort o sport psychology. We have scoring anxiety now too. Any good play yesterday was from players going off script. There were glimpses of quick counter play and initiative forward but these stupid tactics of having Irvine hang way out on the sideline and running through the line lowers our passing options in midfield. So basically throwing his players under the bus? Thats pretty shit. Room seems split. He's got Irvine and Behich on his side. Baccus is his favourite. Think about teams we've played on. There were always players endearing themselves to the coach agreeing with ridiculous tactics so they'd get to play while better players would disagree, quit, or change clubs. I've spoken to some professional players before about different managers they've had and there are just so many viewpoints on what and how things need to work that no wonder our squad is in this predicament now. We've become paralysed. Yeah I get it, happens at EVERY level of the game, so no doubt it wouldn't be different in the NT... But still, it really grates on me to hear a manager (even if it is glaringly obvious) state to the press that its not his fault the players didnt perform as required.....
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+x+x+x98% humidity and players were out on their feet of course a sub is going to be able to move more freely. The happy clappers on this forum for a mediocre Ross County recruit is new levels. You obviously didn’t watch much of him playing in AL last season- he was a standout. Do you even actually follow/support the AL or Socceroos?! Just looking for attention maybe? Standing out in the A-league isn't much to write home about. We've seen quite a few 'stand out' A-league players fail dismally in relatively mediocre foreign leagues. Irankunda, Izzo going ok in Europe after standing out in AL so wouldn’t write Nisbet off just yet. He sure offered more in 25 minutes then Metcalfe showed as starter vs Bahrain - and Metcalfe is apparently ‘Bundesliga standard’
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+xI just want the heat to go on the fa, apl and state leagues rather than arnie. Arnie was just as successful as ange was in the a league I remember we complained about both Arnie also qualified past the 5th place south american team and won 2 games at the world cup, our best ever result from 6 attempts despite having a very week team Arnie has twice broken defensive records set by pim with this team China have a player thats gotten 100 games for espanyol, indonesia have a seri a regular and 4 eredivisie players plus others. Where does this idea comr from that we should walk through them. Every coach weve had for a world cup cycle gets blamed for our problems. But how many of our opponents have multiple leagues in a connected pyramid. When the a league started we went from 154 positions in the national teams to 42 with 7 domestic teams and foreign players clogging up attacking positions There was a whole decade where there were no youth teams in the a league. Why werent underage teams mandatory from the start? We had a nyl, but it was half the length of what it was in the nsl era before being scrapped entirely. We had an ais and paid jans verseijan to get us to youth world cups. But both were scrapped and we turned youth rep teams into places where ex players can learn to coach. The end result was a a huge missing generation papered over by some good coaching by arnie and ange. But we had a league that was one of the oldest leagues in the world, and struggled in asian champions league. We are paying for some of these decisions we made 20 years ago. We introduced academies and a ntc, and there is a bigger crop of young players getting game time in europe at a young age. But it will take till 2028 before that crop is in its prime and it will still only be a modest improvement because every other country has transitioned to small sided games and phased out ball free fitness work. Bring in an nst, bring in a home and away nyl, have youth coaches for rep teams that have club success and youth experience, expand the a league, bring back the ais and then if we finally start producing players we can point the finger You make some very valid points but you can't just exonerate Arnie. He is the national team coach. Every top quality coach should be able to utilise the players they have to get the best out of them. He is not doing that. He is also making excuses that are well within his control. It's all well and good to demand pro rel and an NST, but the reality is that we do not have the money to sustain that at present. Fans are not supporting the A-league as they used to and there are A-league clubs that are struggling. We also have a massive disconnect between the state federations and the national, between the a-league and the NPL clubs. There is major disconnect all over and we don't really want to address it. In saying that, it needs to start from the top. Arnie says he has identified these problems, what is he doing to get them fixed and rectified? It's not use just sitting at the top and going, "Well, it's not my job to develop them so i'm not to blame if we can't beat Indonesia". Indonesia may have a Serie A regular, but that is one player and they are still ranked 130 something. The facts do not lie that we should be a much better side than them and beating them.
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